mycarforum: 2014 Mazda 3 part 1

Hi all,

Got this attachment from a Mazda dealer.
Claimed it would be launched in 1st Quarter 2014 and est price
is SGD120k thereabouts.

The pics look impressive and if the engine matches the Mazda 6 skyactiv
one albeit a 1.6litre version then should be a gem!
What do you guys think?

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�Mazda 3 Factsheet_Final_4 Dec 2013_2.30pm.pdf ��1.43MB ��2770 downloads

Good B&B car but not at current COE price to buy a mazda 3�:(

Maybe a BB car but sure dun look like one. Naise! [thumbsup]

Looks impressive!�

Looks like an upsized, muscled Maz 2 & I love no backside cars.

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The interior defn dun look BnB. COE aside, looks good.

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But compression of 13.0 dunno whether will have heaty issues in SG. Its like a regular TC engine at 9.0 comp b4 light pressure turbo spools it to 13.0-13.5.

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And does that mean oil changes need to be earlier like a TC car?�

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est 120k, sounds too good to be true or�the seller is convinced that COE price�will sinkhole 1st quart 2014.

Everything seem impressive except max power and torque delivery seem to be unleashed at very high rpm. Wonder if this will make it feel very lethargic to drive in our stop-start traffic.�

Boleh la, the rear look le?

Doubt it will be 120K at current COE level. Present frog M3 already selling at 140K.

mazda [thumbsup]

but the big smile grille is getting too big and smile like sissy ... [:(]

Everything seem impressive except max power and torque delivery seem to be unleashed at very high rpm. Wonder if this will make it feel very lethargic to drive in our stop-start traffic.�

unless at lower rpm it already reaches 75-80% of max torque & gradually reaches max at high rpm.

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As for the fc, if it can really walk the talk, then maybe the so so hp can see pass. But for sg roads & conservative NSH speeds should still be adequate.

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I cant open the brochure as I opened with a non compatible & after down loading adobe, it still keeps going to the unsuitable "open with".

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but the big smile grille is getting too big and smile like sissy ...

Think Peugeot also ditched that.

Chio

Smaller version of the Mazda 6

Comes in hatch AND sedan version [thumbsup]

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Should add another wagon version for the higer engine capacity.

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Comes in hatch AND sedan version

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Edited by Kangadrool, 25 December 2013 - 10:37 AM.

toyota, honda, nissan and mazda

mazda seems to got the best conti look [thumbsup]

if the hatch can do something about the front bumper and the ugly grille ... it can easily pass with volvo hatch

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Edited by Wt_know, 25 December 2013 - 10:47 AM.

The only bad thing is now, used mazdas are more expensive compared to other cars in the same category due to its popularity. A 2008 Mazda 3 1.6 is more expensive than a 2008 WRX [dizzy]

Edited by Ezfaun, 25 December 2013 - 10:51 AM.

I wonder if the AD will bring in models with the regenerative system.

among all the Japanese brands, Mazda has the best design.

For those looking for a new family car, this one looks like not much space in the rear.

"Tight back seat.�Illogical. The car's bigger for 2014. The wheelbase � distance between front and back wheels, which dictates how much leg and knee room is available � grew 3 inches. But Mazda lists 0.4 of an inch less rear legroom in the new one. And it feels tighter than that"

http://www.usatoday....-drive/3331241/

For those looking for a new family car, this one looks like not much space in the rear.

"Tight back seat.�Illogical. The car's bigger for 2014. The wheelbase � distance between front and back wheels, which dictates how much leg and knee room is available � grew 3 inches. But Mazda lists 0.4 of an inch less rear legroom in the new one. And it feels tighter than that"

http://www.usatoday....-drive/3331241/

They go with the ang moh chia style - tight leg and head room. Even the BMW 5 series is freaking cramp at the rear.

They go with the ang moh chia style - tight leg and head room. Even the BMW 5 series is freaking cramp at the rear.

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You can't compare it this way. BMWs being RWD have the rear axle that took away most of the the rear seating space. It also has that high rear transmission tunnel coz of the drive shaft that goes from the gearbox to the rear axle. Plus with the suspension setup it's left with very little space.

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We see here is a typical FWD setup Japanese sedan/hatchback. The only thing occupying below the rear seats is the fuel tank. The other thing that can "eat" into rear passenger space is the rear suspension setup. I think the width of the wheelbase� makes it feel small in the interior. IMO Contructing the car's wheelbase longer doesn't make it feel bigger. Maybe it will only give a tad more knee room.

Edited by Watwheels, 25 December 2013 - 12:53 PM.

Doubt it will be 120K at current COE level. Present frog M3 already selling at 140K.

At one point, mazda 3 was going at $60+k.

At one point, mazda 3 was going at $60+k.

LOL! I remember those days. I bought a Mazda 3 for $64K! Those were the days ... will we ever see them again?!?!?!?!?

among all the Japanese brands, Mazda has the best design.

Definitely.
Since the good old days.....

My first car was the RX7
The first car i bought for my wife was the Mazda2 1.5R

Mazda is at the forefront of design for the Japs
Just like Kawasaki is for the Jap bikes

Thumbs up!

Doubt it will be 120K at current COE level. Present frog M3 already selling at 140K.

Plse dont call th Mazda3 an M3.............

LOL! I remember those days. I bought a Mazda 3 for $64K! Those were the days ... will we ever see them again?!?!?!?!?

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haha, maybe still can ..... but one that is already driven for 48 months.

LOL! I remember those days. I bought a Mazda 3 for $64K! Those were the days ... will we ever see them again?!?!?!?!?

I hope never.

LOL! I remember those days. I bought a Mazda 3 for $64K! Those were the days ... will we ever see them again?!?!?!?!?

And GTR was going about $260+k.

The sedan version looks a bit like the IS250.

Really not worth buying new car in Sillypore!

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For common peasants like me already lucky to have a car to get around!�

LOL! I remember those days. I bought a Mazda 3 for $64K! Those were the days ... will we ever see them again?!?!?!?!?

maybe during the next surge of foreign imports.

The sedan version looks a bit like the IS250.

when i 1st saw the 6, i was thinking Lex never sue ?

Really not worth buying new car in Sillypore!

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For common peasants like me already lucky to have a car to get around!�

Its never worth it. Its the sacrifice for the young ones that many at entry level grudgingly pay for it.

I hope never.

but again, no doubt ownership surged during 06-09.

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Keeping it too high, may coz a transition into a surge in conversion to coe cars. This may mean more breakdowns, jams, inconveniences for all. Not sure if its me but i noted these few mths, seem to have increase on radio in the mornings of car breakdowns.

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For some like myself, I will amputate and arm / leg financially to keep a car at least for another 7-8 yrs. Nevermind if its a coe car.

The attached spec sheet did not indicate on the availability of "Mazda I-ACTIVESENSE";any idea?

The attached spec sheet did not indicate on the availability of "Mazda I-ACTIVESENSE";any idea?

I heard S'pore based Mazda 3 are based model...due to high COE,if you make the OMV like Mazda 6,no one will buy....the 2.0 Mazda 3 with full options,will cost like Mazda 6 2.0 model.

Edited by ER-3682, 25 December 2013 - 09:03 PM.

The way the info panel on the dash sticks out looks unusual.

Even 2014 Mazda 6 does not have this feature.

Why like that....

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inspired by 2013 merc A-class

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Edited by Wt_know, 25 December 2013 - 09:36 PM.

New Mazda 3 swee!

The way the info panel on the dash sticks out looks unusual.
Even 2014 Mazda 6 does not have this feature.
Why like that....

Those features should be introduced in the face lifts in cx5 and 6. There were previous announcements on this.

Mazda is at the forefront of design for the Japs
Just like Kawasaki is for the Jap bikes

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Din say liao lah. Kawasaki bikes look great, sound great also get great reviews. Great bike on its own.

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Problem is the Kawa situation in Sin. The situation crippled�the population of the larger cc kwaks by�at least a�good 2/3.

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Only for�those who are comfortable and go further up north with�their Kawas�fairly regularly.....

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otherwise, the owner better know his/her way around in Sin, very well...

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On Maz, I once saw a review by 1 chap who mentioned by reverse calcalation, the Maz 6 reaped a profit of 300%.

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For the lao jiaos, any idea whats the "norm" of profit margin against omv for Jap cars in SIN by AD?

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Keeping it too high, may coz a transition into a surge in conversion to coe cars. This may mean more breakdowns, jams, inconveniences for all. Not sure if its me but i noted these few mths, seem to have increase on radio in the mornings of car breakdowns.

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For some like myself, I will amputate and arm / leg financially to keep a car at least for another 7-8 yrs. Nevermind if its a coe car.

This morning, FD �90.5,

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He was saying vehicles breaking down everywhere !! mentioned here, there & then ended off again,.....vehicles breaking down everywhere..!!

Din say liao lah. Kawasaki bikes look great, sound great also get great reviews. Great bike on its own.

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Problem is the Kawa situation in Sin. The situation crippled�the population of the larger cc kwaks by�at least a�good 2/3.

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Only for�those who are comfortable and go further up north with�their Kawas�fairly regularly.....

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otherwise, the owner better know his/her way around in Sin, very well...

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On Maz, I once saw a review by 1 chap who mentioned by reverse calcalation, the Maz 6 reaped a profit of 300%.

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For the lao jiaos, any idea whats the "norm" of profit margin against omv for Jap cars in SIN by AD?

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Not only Kawa, all brands seem to have problem in SIngapore especially mid-sized engine (400 cc). There seems to be a dearth of them in the market. Thanks to our antique licencing system.

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Kawa is now in JV with Suzuki. Alternative is to get Suzuki bikes, but situation isn't any better + the setup for Suzuki normally is top heavy unlike Honda. But for reliability, Suzuki is much better than Honda.

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Reckon for Jap cars, the profit margin is about 30% +/- on the listed price inclusive of COE. Meaning AD will make 45K profits for a 150K� Jap car sold.

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This morning, FD �90.5,

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He was saying vehicles breaking down everywhere !! mentioned here, there & then ended off again,.....vehicles breaking down everywhere..!!

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That is because we are trying to keep our cars running longer on the roads. The older our cars get, the more problems our cars start to have due to wear and tear issues. Sigh only the super rich can afford new car luxury nowadays.

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Not only Kawa, all brands seem to have problem in SIngapore especially mid-sized engine (400 cc). There seems to be a dearth of them in the market. Thanks to our antique licencing system.

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Kawa is now in JV with Suzuki. Alternative is to get Suzuki bikes, but situation isn't any better + the setup for Suzuki normally is top heavy unlike Honda. But for reliability, Suzuki is much better than Honda.

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Reckon for Jap cars, the profit margin is about 30% +/- on the listed price inclusive of COE. Meaning AD will make 45K profits for a 150K� Jap car sold.

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License is 1 cause, but for 1 its due to the�infamous AD.�

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I just took maz 6 an hr back. their gross profit seem to be at 200%. Based on�rrp less fix cost,� that amount is 2 x that of OMV.

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Elantra is like doing 300% gross prof� :(�� K3 on the other hand is getting less than 1/2 the % of gross prof of the elantra.

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I base it on RRP less ARF, OMV,� COE.�� Then compare that fig against OMV.

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Then I also see cars like Almera, where fixed cost about 100k. RRP 103K. ?�

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That is because we are trying to keep our cars running longer on the roads. The older our cars get, the more problems our cars start to have due to wear and tear issues. Sigh only the super rich can afford new car luxury nowadays.

Indeed. That's what i'm trying to say. Keeping coe high does not only mean lesser cars on the road.

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It possibly means all those who bought OMV <15k cars during 06-09 end up with coe or >7yrs cars.

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In the end both new poor & rich lose. Only 1 win.

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Not only Kawa, all brands seem to have problem in SIngapore especially mid-sized engine (400 cc). There seems to be a dearth of them in the market. Thanks to our antique licencing system.
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Kawa is now in JV with Suzuki. Alternative is to get Suzuki bikes, but situation isn't any better + the setup for Suzuki normally is top heavy unlike Honda. But for reliability, Suzuki is much better than Honda.
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Reckon for Jap cars, the profit margin is about 30% +/- on the listed price inclusive of COE. Meaning AD will make 45K profits for a 150K� Jap car sold.
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Of the four big Jap bike companies, Suzuki is known to be the worst. this does mean that Suzuki is lousy though.

Kawa is at the forefront of design, Honda is known for super reliability and durability, Yammy is known to be most value for money overall, Suzuki, has improved over the years but tailing the other 3

License is 1 cause, but for 1 its due to the�infamous AD.�

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I just took maz 6 an hr back. their gross profit seem to be at 200%. Based on�rrp less fix cost,� that amount is 2 x that of OMV.

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Elantra is like doing 300% gross prof� :(�� K3 on the other hand is getting less than 1/2 the % of gross prof of the elantra.

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I base it on RRP less ARF, OMV,� COE.�� Then compare that fig against OMV.

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Then I also see cars like Almera, where fixed cost about 100k. RRP 103K. ?�

LOL, if base on cost without COE, then easily 300-500%

There's no right or wrong way to measure. Pricing of cars in Singapore is quite complicated if you want to dig in.

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Agree Nissan cars are worth buying at this moment. Can even get MIJ Note DIGS version at 100K ish only. Markup is minimal.

LOL, if base on cost without COE, then easily 300-500%

There's no right or wrong way to measure. Pricing of cars in Singapore is quite complicated if you want to dig in.

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Agree Nissan cars are worth buying at this moment. Can even get MIJ Note DIGS version at 100K ish only. Markup is minimal.

I meant incl of COE.

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Elantra. OMV 12.5k, ARF 7.5k. COE 74K. Total 94K

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But sell at 144.

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So profit = 144-94 = 50k

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hence, 50k is 4 x the omv of 12.5k. Meaning huge gross�profit of 400% ?

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Almera�� omv 14k, arf 9k, coe 74k.� Total 97k

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Sell at 104k

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Profit = 104-97 = 7k.��

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7k is 0.5 of the omv 14k.� Hence gross profit 50% ?�

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Am I interpreting correctly ?�

Of the four big Jap bike companies, Suzuki is known to be the worst. this does mean that Suzuki is lousy though.

Kawa is at the forefront of design, Honda is known for super reliability and durability, Yammy is known to be most value for money overall, Suzuki, has improved over the years but tailing the other 3

But suzook did make quite a huge leap in quality & performance post Y2K.� Esp Srad 1000.

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Still trailing behind but not as much liao compared to 80-90s.

For the lao jiaos, any idea whats the "norm" of profit margin against omv for Jap cars in SIN by AD?

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nah, go compare until song:

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http://www.onemotori...Cost_Update.pdf

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Selling Price without COE - Total Basic Cost = Gross Profit margin

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Selling Price with COE - estimated COE -�Total Basic Cost = Gross Profit margin

Edited by Eyke, 26 December 2013 - 11:03 AM.

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nah, go compare until song:

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http://www.onemotori...Cost_Update.pdf

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Selling Price without COE - Total Basic Cost = Gross Profit margin

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Selling Price with COE - estimated COE -�Total Basic Cost = Gross Profit margin

Thanks for the link. Saved me a lot of trouble.

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Looking at the link, it would suggest to me that K3 is making a profit while Elantra is profiteering.

Purpose for me is to isolate BnB cars where AD's profit is >100% relative to omv.

I meant incl of COE.

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Elantra. OMV 12.5k, ARF 7.5k. COE 74K. Total 94K

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But sell at 144.

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So profit = 144-94 = 50k

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hence, 50k is 4 x the omv of 12.5k. Meaning huge gross�profit of 400% ?

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Almera�� omv 14k, arf 9k, coe 74k.� Total 97k

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Sell at 104k

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Profit = 104-97 = 7k.��

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7k is 0.5 of the omv 14k.� Hence gross profit 50% ?�

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Am I interpreting correctly ?�

But suzook did make quite a huge leap in quality & performance post Y2K.� Esp Srad 1000.

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Still trailing behind but not as much liao compared to 80-90s.

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Seems wrong. ARF is 100% of OMV. There is customs tax 30%, 7% GST, IU unit, half year road tax, transport from dock to collection point, polishing and PDI etc

Edited by Sturtles, 27 December 2013 - 02:51 PM.

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Seems wrong. ARF is 100% of OMV. There is customs tax 30%, 7% GST, IU unit, half year road tax, transport from dock to collection point, polishing and PDI etc

Thanks bro, I subsequently checked the LTA link. But noted that while its not as jialat as I thought, the margin still damn high. Esp when the OMV is 12.5k & then considering that K3 at 18k omv is selling for less.�� Unless theres something I missed on the K3.

Edited by Baal, 27 December 2013 - 03:00 PM.

toyota, honda, nissan and mazda

mazda seems to got the best conti look

if the hatch can do something about the front bumper and the ugly grille ... it can easily pass with volvo hatch

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The speedo meter also very V40 inspired..

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The centre console is Merc inspired.

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The steering wheel seems to look a bit like Audi? Or what brand was it again?

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Afterall, Mazda did a good job putting these together. We saw some manufacturers putting all sorts of designs together and ended up with Giam Chye.. This one at least got the look...

Edited by Knoobie, 27 December 2013 - 03:18 PM.

Of the four big Jap bike companies, Suzuki is known to be the worst. this does mean that Suzuki is lousy though.

Kawa is at the forefront of design, Honda is known for super reliability and durability, Yammy is known to be most value for money overall, Suzuki, has improved over the years but tailing the other 3

Suzuki is not that bad. The hayabusa was one good example.

But suzook did make quite a huge leap in quality & performance post Y2K.� Esp Srad 1000.
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Still trailing behind but not as much liao compared to 80-90s.

Yes as i hv already mentioned....

Suzuki has really improved a lot over the last 10 yrs.

generally, the only let-downs with Mz3�are the engine and gearbox...

if this is sorted well, it will be the new fav jap

Edited by Vidz, 27 December 2013 - 04:06 PM.

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generally, the only let-downs with Mz3�are the engine and gearbox...
if this is sorted well, it will be the new fav jap

Fully agreed, Mazda has always produced beautiful cars starting with the Astina and since then most, if not all the Mazda 3 cars have been well made with good design but their engines leave much to be desired.

That said, I understand they will be using the skyactiv 1.6l engine which
has so far�had good comments for the Mazda 6 2l.

Mazda has been making beautifully design cars but people is just too brand conscious on what car to buy. Therefore, this Mazda3 will be in for another hard time. Sad to say this.

when mazda 6 price is catching up bmw 316/320 c160/180 ... it is a tough choice lor

Edited by Wt_know, 27 December 2013 - 05:49 PM.

when mazda 6 price is catching up bmw 316/320 c160/180 ... it is a tough choice lor

Agreed.. Tough choice for me 9 months ago when the COE was at 92k..

I ended up with Mazda 6 after much considerations. The reason being is that with such a high COE, all I need is the car that durable rather than the brand conscious..

After 9 months of ownership, I must say that Mazda 6 is the best, no regret. We got very high hope on this upcoming 3 too.

Agreed..i also a happy Mazda 6 owner.

Yes agree. M6 is fantastic. Good mileage. 12 to 13 km per litre for 2.5l

Yes agree. M6 is fantastic. Good mileage. 12 to 13 km per litre for 2.5l

Yes agree M6 is fantastic. But mileage wise is about 5km per liter of petrol and engine cap is definitely not 2.5liters... Last i recall, its 4.4liters V8

Edited by Throttle2, 27 December 2013 - 11:45 PM.

Yes agree M6 is fantastic. But mileage wise is about 5km per liter of petrol and engine cap is definitely not 2.5liters... Last i recall, its 4.4liters V8

Haha okay mazda 6

when mazda 6 price is catching up bmw 316/320 c160/180 ... it is a tough choice lor

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Catching up with BMW and Mercs ? Different league leh.�Among Japanese rides, Mazda cannot even catch up with other Jap brands. �They have been trailing behind for donkey years even though they make good cars.

not the car ... the price due to high coe and strong yen
mazda6 price with top-up little bit can get a bmw f30 316/320 or merc c160/180 liao
both entry level conti sedan size is quite decent and sturdy for long drive to kl/ipoh

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Catching up with BMW and Mercs ? Different league leh.�Among Japanese rides, Mazda cannot even catch up with other Jap brands. �They have been trailing behind for donkey years even though they make good cars.

Edited by Wt_know, 28 December 2013 - 10:17 AM.

Haha okay mazda 6

Heehhee, thumbs up

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Catching up with BMW and Mercs ? Different league leh.�Among Japanese rides, Mazda cannot even catch up with other Jap brands. �They have been trailing behind for donkey years even though they make good cars.

You are wrong,the new Mazda 6,is a very good car,it offered better equipment than the base model BMW & Mercedes...Benz...

I can cruise 160km/h with the "Stick on the road" feeling,while Teana & Camry already felt like "Floating" at this speed.

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Catching up with BMW and Mercs ? Different league leh.�Among Japanese rides, Mazda cannot even catch up with other Jap brands. �They have been trailing behind for donkey years even though they make good cars.

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In term of value for money Mazda definitely can hold up with other Japanese brands. I think Mazda is among the best among the Japanese brands, if not the best.�

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Catching up with BMW and Mercs ? Different league leh.�Among Japanese rides, Mazda cannot even catch up with other Jap brands. �They have been trailing behind for donkey years even though they make good cars.

Sure bo..? So, which are the Japanese brands that the Mazda trailing behind with?

Care to explain in detail? I'm sure most of the forumers here would like to hear your 2 cents.

Edited by ATTB, 28 December 2013 - 09:14 PM.

Yes please enlightened us.

Sure bo..? So, which are the Japanese brands that the Mazda trailing behind with?

Care to explain in detail? I'm sure most of the forumers here would like to hear your 2 cents.

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Aiyo ! Please don't get me wrong. I am talking about it sales lah. In Singapore or even globally it is not selling well even though they make good and beautiful designed cars.�

Edited by Renegade777, 29 December 2013 - 11:22 AM.

Yes please enlightened us.

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Popularity and sales lah.

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Aiyo ! Please don't get me wrong. I am talking about it sales lah. In Singapore or even globally it is not selling well even though they make good and beautiful designed cars.�

You are wrong,the latest Mazda with "Skyactiv" technology are selling very well in the world,the CX-5,Mazda 6 & the coming Mazda 3,in fact these newer model just "Saved" the company...in this 3 years..7 in S'pore,more & more Mazda 6 are on the road,it's sales is much better than the Toyota Camry,Honda Accord & Nissan Teana..now...

Edited by ER-3682, 29 December 2013 - 12:54 PM.

Maz style other than the current 2, from what I heard feels contish in terms of handling, build quality, erh & FC too.�

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Theres always a trade off between choosing planted feeling, good handling at speed, unaffected by cross winds, sturdy build, sound insulation etc.

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Looks aside, deciding factor could be do u go up north often?� �Else cant really make use of the handling at speed & twisties.

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Looking at the onemotoring link, Maz�marked up heavily relative to omv. During late�08 uber low coe, I went C & C to test GLX. Then talk to SE bout trade in & stuff. Before I could mentioned my ride, the SE cut me & said, pls dun tell me its a Maz 3 ! I asked why? She said its because many Maz 3 owners suffer high losses when they trade in (esp since during that period, its trade in for export). If I recalled correctly, it was due to the high initial�mark up as mentioned earlier & paired with the fix formula for car traders when they take in cars for export. The formula is fixed & disregards the % of mark up that the initial buyer of the Maz� 3 was subjected to.

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In the end I stuck to my current ride, not because I had a Maz 3 but because couldnt persuade wife to drive a manual.

Sure bo..? So, which are the Japanese brands that the Mazda trailing behind with?

Care to explain in detail? I'm sure most of the forumers here would like to hear your 2 cents.

I would think engine tech wise.

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1.6 eg.�Maz 3 sp

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Just past 100hp & 140nm. Only has VVT ( timing only )

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Toyota Vios�: 1.5 with similar figures acheived at similar rpms. has VVTI ( timing & lift )

Lancer EX : 1.5��Mivec��similar figures acheived at similar rpms. has VVTI ( timing & lift )

Honda : 1.5 Ivtec, ( timing & lift ) Hp 1 notch higher at 118hp.� 5AT too.

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Due to techology, the above 3 can acheive the same or exceed the 3sp specs with 100cc less.

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The Maz 3 score points in terms stylo�design, handling, sturdy built quality/materials.

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Guess its�what 1 would prioritise.� For me, i cant get pass the mark up situation in sin. coe, arf, tax I llst. AD's profit margin is something that I can exercise discretionary consumer power (boycott?).

I would think engine tech wise.
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Toyota Vios�: 1.5 with similar figures acheived at similar rpms. has VVTI ( timing & lift )
Lancer EX : 1.5��Mivec��similar figures acheived at similar rpms. has VVTI ( timing & lift )
Honda : 1.5 Ivtec, ( timing & lift ) Hp 1 notch higher at 118hp.� 5AT too.
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Due to techology, the above 3 can acheive the same or exceed the 3sp specs with 100cc less.
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The Maz 3 score points in terms stylo�design, handling, sturdy built quality/materials.
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Guess its�what 1 would prioritise.� For me, i cant get pass the mark up situation in sin. coe, arf, tax I llst. AD's profit margin is something that I can exercise discretionary consumer power (boycott?).

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I would think engine tech wise.

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1.6 eg.�Maz 3 sp

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Just past 100hp & 140nm. Only has VVT ( timing only )

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Toyota Vios�: 1.5 with similar figures acheived at similar rpms. has VVTI ( timing & lift )

Lancer EX : 1.5��Mivec��similar figures acheived at similar rpms. has VVTI ( timing & lift )

Honda : 1.5 Ivtec, ( timing & lift ) Hp 1 notch higher at 118hp.� 5AT too.

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Due to techology, the above 3 can acheive the same or exceed the 3sp specs with 100cc less.

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The Maz 3 score points in terms stylo�design, handling, sturdy built quality/materials.

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Guess its�what 1 would prioritise.� For me, i cant get pass the mark up situation in sin. coe, arf, tax I llst. AD's profit margin is something that I can exercise discretionary consumer power (boycott?).this figure

This figure are for "Old" Mazda engine,the latest engine are the highest output in its class...for example,the new "Skyactiv" 2.5 engine,produced 185Bhp & 252Nm of torque,& can do 12km/L...i don't think the lastest Honda,Toyota or Nissan got this output.

You are wrong,the latest Mazda with "Skyactiv" technology are selling very well in the world,the CX-5,Mazda 6 & the coming Mazda 3,in fact these newer model just "Saved" the company...in this 3 years..7 in S'pore,more & more Mazda 6 are on the road,it's sales is much better than the Toyota Camry,Honda Accord & Nissan Teana..now...

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Me wrong again ? Your infor very good leh. Mazda cars sell better than other Jap brands.�

Edited by Renegade777, 29 December 2013 - 04:44 PM.

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Me wrong again ? Your infor very good leh. Mazda cars sell better than other Jap brands.�

It is better den all other japan brand except toyota for sale in singapore. Mazda is a smaller company compare to honda and toyota so not fair to compare with them world wide

The 2014 mazda design still about the same as the current design, but whether the car spec good or not, due to current coe, dont think got many people buy lo.

hard to say ... 2014/2015 is a bumper crop for cars reaching 10 years coe
die die has to buy new car as there is no reason to renew coe

The 2014 mazda design still about the same as the current design, but whether the car spec good or not, due to current coe, dont think got many people buy lo.

Edited by Wt_know, 29 December 2013 - 09:46 PM.

hard to say ... news reported 2014/2015 got 80,000+ cars reaching 10 years coe
die die has tobuy new car as there is no reason to renew coe

Even car reach 10 years, based on current super high coe, how to buy new car? I believe if a person is able to afford the current new car price, many already should change car before their car reached 10th year. Not wait until the car reached end coe.

I would think engine tech wise.

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1.6 eg.�Maz 3 sp

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Just past 100hp & 140nm. Only has VVT ( timing only )

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Toyota Vios�: 1.5 with similar figures acheived at similar rpms. has VVTI ( timing & lift )

Lancer EX : 1.5��Mivec��similar figures acheived at similar rpms. has VVTI ( timing & lift )

Honda : 1.5 Ivtec, ( timing & lift ) Hp 1 notch higher at 118hp.� 5AT too.

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Due to techology, the above 3 can acheive the same or exceed the 3sp specs with 100cc less.

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The Maz 3 score points in terms stylo�design, handling, sturdy built quality/materials.

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Guess its�what 1 would prioritise.� For me, i cant get pass the mark up situation in sin. coe, arf, tax I llst. AD's profit margin is something that I can exercise discretionary consumer power (boycott?).

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I thought from the link showing the 2014 Mazda 3 Specs: Mazda3 2014 is '>120PS and '>150nm�with its SkyActiv-G Engine 1.5 and i-Stop tech?

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KEY SPECIFICATIONS

ENGINE CAPACITY (cc): 1,496

ENGINE POWER (PS/rpm): 120/6,000

(14% improvement from existing Mazda 3)

TORQUE (Nm/rpm): 150/4,000

FUEL CONSUMPTION -COMBINED (L/100km): 5.7

(27% improvement from existing Mazda 3)

CARBON EMISSION - COMBINED (g/km): 135

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I thought from the link showing the 2014 Mazda 3 Specs: Mazda3 2014 is '>120PS and '>150nm�with its SkyActiv-G Engine 1.5 and i-Stop tech?

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KEY SPECIFICATIONS

ENGINE CAPACITY (cc): 1,496

ENGINE POWER (PS/rpm): 120/6,000

(14% improvement from existing Mazda 3)

TORQUE (Nm/rpm): 150/4,000

FUEL CONSUMPTION -COMBINED (L/100km): 5.7

(27% improvement from existing Mazda 3)

CARBON EMISSION - COMBINED (g/km): 135

I referring to the pre sky models.

The new 3 sound good on paper. A quantum leap.�But yet to be proven. In the sense that the 6 is still very new. However, they rely on very high comp, somewhat like light pressure turbo.�Once pass 3 years when wear & tear sets in,�outcome will�be known. Esp where heat management is concern.

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Newest tech vs newest tech will be�Maz skyact Vs�Toyota's Valvematic, i guess. If less the Auris 1.6 by 100cc, conservatively should match the 3's figure w/o using very high comp.

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Honda's new Jazz 1.5, has 130hp/160nm would appear to surpass the�3 w/o using�very high compression.�

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Honda's TC petrol still awaiting formal roll out. Meanwhile, what they have is dtec which is another cat altogether. But they still boast the world's 1st mass produced aluminium diesel engine. But of course also yet to be proven.

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The thing about using high comp is that its like turbo in concept (increasing compression significantly.) Taken negatively, it can be used to make up the shortfall in numbers, abit the easier way out compared to maintaining the same comp but upping the numbers by engine development.

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But I guess theres no clear winner again. While Toyota/Honda ( as per above ), the ext design of their new offerings is less than inspiring. Though I am yet to be convinced by skyactive, ext design wise, maz is a winner for the general masses, even for the old 3 & 6.

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Very high comp for NA engine is used by Super Sports bikes and it runs hot (below 70kmh).....inspite of the fact that these bikes can lane split and dont quite get caught in start /stop traffic. Now apply similar comp to a car which cannot lane split & gets caught....this may where be the concern is. Unsure how/if Maz overcame this. As a layman, what I can think off is using a larger radiator (with more�powerful radiator fan(s)�relative to the typical sizes used on� the current respective engine cc?�� I am basing comp at 13.0 : 1�, which is the typical comp of the current superbikes.�

It is better den all other japan brand except toyota for sale in singapore. Mazda is a smaller company compare to honda and toyota so not fair to compare with them world wide

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Business is business leh.� Ok ok Mazda sells more cars than other Jap brands other than Toyota and Honda.�

Any one know what is roughly the current price for Madza 3?

Any one know what is roughly the current price for Madza 3?

The new model is launching on the 26 this month. The selling price is around $130k+.

The new model is launching on the 26 this month. The selling price is around $130k+.

Thanks

The new model is launching on the 26 this month. The selling price is around $130k+.

if only 130K+, consider very cheap,

now old 3 also�selling 133k to 139k�

Looks like an upsized, muscled Maz 2 & I love no backside cars.

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The interior defn dun look BnB. COE aside, looks good.

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But compression of 13.0 dunno whether will have heaty issues in SG. Its like a regular TC engine at 9.0 comp b4 light pressure turbo spools it to 13.0-13.5.

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And does that mean oil changes need to be earlier like a TC car?�

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est 120k, sounds too good to be true or�the seller is convinced that COE price�will sinkhole 1st quart 2014.

although SG�always summer season, but most time is short�period driving,�from east to west �only one hour driving, should not have heaty issue,

if only 130K+, consider very cheap,
now old 3 also�selling 133k to 139k�

Yalor when considering thai made Altis also 130x when launch... This is pure nippon make right?...

Edited by Blackyv, 15 February 2014 - 03:27 PM.

I referring to the pre sky models.

The new 3 sound good on paper. A quantum leap.�But yet to be proven. In the sense that the 6 is still very new. However, they rely on very high comp, somewhat like light pressure turbo.�Once pass 3 years when wear & tear sets in,�outcome will�be known. Esp where heat management is concern.

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Newest tech vs newest tech will be�Maz skyact Vs�Toyota's Valvematic, i guess. If less the Auris 1.6 by 100cc, conservatively should match the 3's figure w/o using very high comp.

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Honda's new Jazz 1.5, has 130hp/160nm would appear to surpass the�3 w/o using�very high compression.�

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Honda's TC petrol still awaiting formal roll out. Meanwhile, what they have is dtec which is another cat altogether. But they still boast the world's 1st mass produced aluminium diesel engine. But of course also yet to be proven.

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The thing about using high comp is that its like turbo in concept (increasing compression significantly.) Taken negatively, it can be used to make up the shortfall in numbers, abit the easier way out compared to maintaining the same comp but upping the numbers by engine development.

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But I guess theres no clear winner again. While Toyota/Honda ( as per above ), the ext design of their new offerings is less than inspiring. Though I am yet to be convinced by skyactive, ext design wise, maz is a winner for the general masses, even for the old 3 & 6.

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Very high comp for NA engine is used by Super Sports bikes and it runs hot (below 70kmh).....inspite of the fact that these bikes can lane split and dont quite get caught in start /stop traffic. Now apply similar comp to a car which cannot lane split & gets caught....this may where be the concern is. Unsure how/if Maz overcame this. As a layman, what I can think off is using a larger radiator (with more�powerful radiator fan(s)�relative to the typical sizes used on� the current respective engine cc?�� I am basing comp at 13.0 : 1�, which is the typical comp of the current superbikes.�

new M3�c/w fuel direct injection, rare in Jap cars

Yalor when considering thai made Altis also 130x when launch... This is pure nippon make right?...

Luckily Mazda still pure jitpun made.

Luckily Mazda still pure jitpun made.

The sedan Maz 2 is thai iirc. unsure if discontinued in Sin.

The sedan Maz 2 is thai iirc. unsure if discontinued in Sin.

Sg import the hatchback version of Maz 2. The sedan version is available in Msia. There is a Mazda factory in Kulim where the CX-5, Mazda 6 (from year 2014 onwards) was built. Good luck to them.

new M3�c/w fuel direct injection, rare in Jap cars

M3 is German car lah

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Bigger and bolder," says Mazda, which - in a family-hatchback marketplace rather mired in the ordinary - is no bad thing. So Mazda's new 3 is fairly stand-out, even if the big bonnet and bulbous rear - allied with those sharp converging feature lines on its flanks - do lend a bit of the clown shoe to its proportions.

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Mazda is taking a different approach with its engines too, which - unlike the current trend for turbos and downsizing - are on the large side. There is a 1.5-litre petrol, but the 2.0-litre costs just �300 more, emits the same 119g/km CO2 and adds some much needed go. The sole diesel is a 2.2-litre unit with 148bhp.

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Mazda calls its engine strategy �rightsizing', and that diesel is revvy and eager, if a little lacking in low-down response. Its 107g/km CO2 might deny Mazda a lot of potential fleet buyers, but then the 3's always been a private purchase. More often than not those who live close to their local, friendly Mazda dealer.

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With the new model, you might be willing to drive a bit further, as it's rather amusing to do so, more so in this diesel than the hard-worked petrols. The chassis mixes decent ride comfort with real enthusiasm in the bends, the steering being quick and accurate. Not quite Ford Focus in its cornering thrills, but close enough, and better than everything else. Thank its width, which enhances its planted feel and also gives it the widest shoulder room in the class. Those broad shoulders had better be topped by short necks, though, as headroom isn't particularly generous - especially in the back.

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The interior is, after the bold exterior, a bit ordinary. Sure, there's a big screen operated by a rotary dial, and there's plenty of kit as standard, but the weird dash-top finish is stickier than a nursery school tablecloth, and the centre armrest is pound-store flimsy. All that equipment is a real draw, though, this 3 undercutting its most obvious VW Golf rival and adding satnav, a head-up display, adaptive front headlamps, internet connectivity, Bose audio and front and rear parking sensors.

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Indeed, start crunching the numbers, and the Mazda3 looks like a very worthwhile proposition, though lack of imagination among buyers is sure to see it struggle in the face of its established, big-selling rivals from Volkswagen and Ford. Which is a shame, as to drive it's right up there with the best of them. So long as you can live with that sticky dashboard.�

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Would SGD 600 more cause the 2.0 to enter CAT B if it were based on OMV system ?

comparing the latest mazda 3 and 6 side by side, the mazda 3 looks ugly. Too tall, not wide enough. and mouth is too big.

comparing the latest mazda 3 and 6 side by side, the mazda 3 looks ugly. Too tall, not wide enough. and mouth is too big.

could be coz Maz 3 was meant to be a compact car leading to the narrow dimensions. The tall roof could be coz its targeted at angmo market. But overall, imo, still looks better than the big 3 (japs).

S'pore based cars petrol engine compression lowered to 13:1,Diesel version is 14:1.

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http://www.caranddri...-d-engines-news

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Premium Fuel, Mid-Grade Output

Premium, 91-octane fuel (this means Ron 95?)�is required for the Sky�s not-so-staggering 163 hp at 6000 rpm and 155 lb-ft at 4000, but Mazda is proud of its exceptionally wide torque band for enhanced real-world drivability. To enable running on regular gas, the U.S. version will have a compression ratio of 13:1, which means fuel economy and torque will diminish by about 3 to 5 percent, according to Mazda. The premium-fueled Sky we drove was perfectly adequate in the Mazda 6 prototypes, although acceleration was rather leisurely�far slower than the current Mazda 6 with its 168-hp, 2.5-liter�giving us plenty of time to wish for a bit more smoothness during the extended time in each gear. But being in the lighter Mazda 3 would help, and the tradeoff for near-diesel levels of fuel economy is probably worth it.

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Looks like theres a trade off for lowering compression. But if that can really nullify potential overheating issues, guess its worth it.

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Automatic Anxiety

In addition to the sweet-shifting six-speed manual, we drove each engine with Mazda�s new Sky-drive six-speed automatic, which boasts a more aggressive lock-up clutch for the torque converter, leading to a 4- to 7-percent improvement in fuel economy. Although the calibration was admittedly early in development, the automatic was distinctly less impressive than either of the new engines. In terms of feel, which Mazda claims is much more direct than before, it doesn�t seem to stand out from the current crop of high-tech automatics. The wide-open-throttle upshifts struck us as a bit lazy, too, although the downshifts were quite prompt. We�ll stick with the manual, thank you very much. Few buyers do, however, which could mean bad things for Mazda�s sales.

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Looks like they could be the leader of BnB 6AT ? However the benefits may be offset by the lowered compression...

i always have an impression hatches are for women......duno why.......lol. [laugh]

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For me M6 over M3 anytime. ^_^

i always have an impression hatches are for women......duno why.......lol.

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For me M6 over M3 anytime.

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driven hatch and sedan before, find that hatches more difficult to park than sedans.
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driven hatch and sedan before, find that hatches more difficult to park than sedans.
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that's something new to me. why is hatch more difficult to park?

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i have never driven hatch before but i also didn't have much problem parking sedan.

I have seen the Mazda3 at Leng Kee showroom. It is a red saloon parked behind in the workshop. No test drive just feel and sit inside.

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I was quite disappointed as it didn't look as impressive and sporty as in photos. The interior also feels very cramped, both front and rear seats. For a family car focus on comfort and space, I would consider the other cheaper options like sylphy 1.6. All my comments before test driving.

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Don't mistake me as a mazda basher cos I love the Mazda skyactiv models 6 and cx-5 deepdeep.�

I have seen the Mazda3 at Leng Kee showroom. It is a red saloon parked behind in the workshop. No test drive just feel and sit inside.

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I was quite disappointed as it didn't look as impressive and sporty as in photos. The interior also feels very cramped, both front and rear seats. For a family car focus on comfort and space, I would consider the other cheaper options like sylphy 1.6. All my comments before test driving.

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Don't mistake me as a mazda basher cos I love the Mazda skyactiv models 6 and cx-5 deepdeep.�

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Most sporty looking, good handlers are not spacious car to begin with. If built is too spacious, driver and occupants will be "sloshing" inside.
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Most sporty looking, good handlers are not spacious car to begin with. If built is too spacious, driver and occupants will be "sloshing" inside.
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but prob is that with est 118hp/145nm (imo due to lowered comp), it may not have the power to utilize the good handling & accompany the sporty looks.

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Best would have been paired with the 2.0 sky or 2.2 sky D. That would make it a sporty compact sedan/hb. But our daft system would not allow it. As�the not so impressive 1.5 sky will be pulling 1.3 tons like the elantra/K3 but w/o the xtra 10-12 hp & nm, sales may suffer.

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"Mazda is taking a different approach with its engines too, which - unlike the current trend for turbos and downsizing - are on the large side. There is a 1.5-litre petrol, but the 2.0-litre costs just �300 more, emits the same 119g/km CO2 and adds some much needed go. The sole diesel is a 2.2-litre unit with 148bhp."

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Such a waste... [shakehead]

Difficult to park ???? Sure bo ? [laugh]

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driven hatch and sedan before, find that hatches more difficult to park than sedans.
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Bo kar chng. I use the kar chng as a guide to steer...... [laugh]

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Difficult to park ???? Sure bo ?

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I have seen the Mazda3 at Leng Kee showroom. It is a red saloon parked behind in the workshop. No test drive just feel and sit inside.
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I was quite disappointed as it didn't look as impressive and sporty as in photos. The interior also feels very cramped, both front and rear seats. For a family car focus on comfort and space, I would consider the other cheaper options like sylphy 1.6. All my comments before test driving.
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Don't mistake me as a mazda basher cos I love the Mazda skyactiv models 6 and cx-5 deepdeep.�

Saw the car too. Quite ok for me especially it come with the head-up unit and centre commander console. The dissapointment is that the car plate is positioned at the middle of the front grill.. Ugly till max..

tomolo im going to the launch event at ubi, who wanna join? almost 2 more...

I noted the following under new car section.

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1) Compression is 14.0. Unsure if its typo as I heard from bros here that for Sin market, comp is reduced to 13.0.

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2) From Sedan to HB, the kerb weight is from 1339kg to 1343kg.

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3) Though it has 6AT, unsure if the 118hp/150nm can haul the thing around w/o feeling underpowered.

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Any bro here tested the new Maz 3 1.5 ?� Any inputs?

I didnt test drive but saw the car and is it me or the boot seem smaller compare to previous generation?

I noted the following under new car section.

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1) Compression is 14.0. Unsure if its typo as I heard from bros here that for Sin market, comp is reduced to 13.0.

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2) From Sedan to HB, the kerb weight is from 1339kg to 1343kg.

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3) Though it has 6AT, unsure if the 118hp/150nm can haul the thing around w/o feeling underpowered.

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Any bro here tested the new Maz 3 1.5 ?� Any inputs?

Consider Singapore fuel grade and weather, Should be 13 Compression,

118hp should be enough to haul the body, no sluggish feeling

Consider Singapore fuel grade and weather, Should be 13 Compression,

118hp should be enough to haul the body, no sluggish feeling

For the Maz 6, its is indicated as comp 13, under New Car section.

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Since they Maz 3 indicated as 14, its either typo error as suggested when its in effect 13,� or� maybe they thought that since�its a�smaller 1.5 engine ( I assume generate less heat ) hence its safe to stick with original comp 14.

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The closes I can think of in terms of performance� will be the Forte face lift 1.6 , 6AT.� 122hp/154nm hauling 1338kg. This car was indicated as 12 sec 0-100.� However, heard the FC is 9km/litre for this Forte.

For the Maz 6, its is indicated as comp 13, under New Car section.

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Since they Maz 3 indicated as 14, its either typo error as suggested when its in effect 13,� or� maybe they thought that since�its a�smaller 1.5 engine ( I assume generate less heat ) hence its safe to stick with original comp 14.

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The closes I can think of in terms of performance� will be the Forte face lift 1.6 , 6AT.� 122hp/154nm hauling 1338kg. This car was indicated as 12 sec 0-100.� However, heard the FC is 9km/litre for this Forte.

Korean maker always overstate thier cars' performance on paper, cannot 100% trust, go to test you will�get the truth,�

Jap normal delcare horsepower is bhp, which is after gearbox power, some maker is engine output horsepower, definitely higher than bhp

Korean maker always overstate thier cars' performance on paper, cannot 100% trust, go to test you will�get the truth,�

Jap normal delcare horsepower is bhp, which is after gearbox power, some maker is engine output horsepower, definitely higher than bhp

erh I thot whether its BHP/hp or PS in which�in the latter's case�both Jap & Kor like to use,� �it refers to the power available before transmission losses.

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http://www.ask.com/q...ion/what-is-bhp

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What Is BHP?

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Answer

BHP in full stands for brake horse power. This is the measure of an engine's horsepower before some of it is lost to auxiliary components such as the gearbox, the alternator, the water pump and exhaust system among others.

Test drive review article�on the new Mazda 3 seems to be not bad. But i dont really like the car which is 1.5L, but one thing i like is it comes with sunroof as standard item.

Edited by 13177, 17 March 2014 - 12:08 PM.

The Staits Time indicated the price to be around 150k during the car review�.... not sure if it is the netted price.

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If it is the netted price, for the price I would go for the A3 Sedan.

The Staits Time indicated the price to be around 150k during the car review�.... not sure if it is the netted price.
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If it is the netted price, for the price I would go for the A3 Sedan.

Price starts at $13x with existing stocke being offered at $126k (that was my exp 10 days ago)

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