mycarforum: KIA K3 Owners check-in! part 13

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Back then one month ago, I asked them whether got HID and they told me no, it's just projector with halogen, so I asked how come originally car got HID now don't have, can have?

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He told me I can wait for new model with bodykit and factory HID... (the new sport trim)

Seems your SE either didn't know or want sale faster.

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no wonder my SE gave discount on existing stock for SX... cuz they were clearing way for the SX Sports.... my SE not upfront about the new model...

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i specifically asked if there will be an update soon, how come have discount for existing stock. He said he was not aware of any updates.

no wonder my SE gave discount on existing stock for SX... cuz they were clearing way for the SX Sports.... my SE not upfront about the new model...

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i specifically asked if there will be an update soon, how come have discount for existing stock. He said he was not aware of any updates.

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maybe he told me about it (didn't call it SX sport, just say "new model") because I was "very disappointed that it didn't come with xenon headlamps" [grin]

Edited by 7hm, 10 June 2015 - 11:39 AM.

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same for me... well.... at least we got to enjoy the car earlier... good things come to people who wait i guess with the benefit of hindsight.

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maybe joining the CEVS rush wasn't a good idea now that Sports SX become the standard SX and price keep falling hehe

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Yah lor, but the disappointment is strong. I'm quite miffed that the SE did not alert us to this. I've written in to KIA anyway. Will update if and when I hear from KIA.

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no wonder my SE gave discount on existing stock for SX... cuz they were clearing way for the SX Sports.... my SE not upfront about the new model...

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i specifically asked if there will be an update soon, how come have discount for existing stock. He said he was not aware of any updates.

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The discount now is small compared to the discount given for SX Sport buyers. :( haha

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Back then one month ago, I asked them whether got HID and they told me no, it's just projector with halogen, so I asked how come originally car got HID now don't have, can have?

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He told me I can wait for new model with bodykit and factory HID... (the new sport trim)

Seems your SE either didn't know or want sale faster.

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Not the right way to do business, I guess. So we are in the same boat. We asked for HID. At least you got a "you can wait". I got a flat "no".

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maybe he told me about it (didn't call it SX sport, just say "new model") because I was "very disappointed that it didn't come with xenon headlamps"

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nvm, I will try to make my disappointment known now. haha

Not the right way to do business, I guess. So we are in the same boat. We asked for HID. At least you got a "you can wait". I got a flat "no".

nvm, I will try to make my disappointment known now. haha

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At the time I think I didn't show any real indication of wanting to book the car... so maybe that's why I got different response [blush]

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Maybe if you kpkb enough they can offer retrofit [grin]

But probably expensive [hur]

seems like there is a lot of disappointed k3 buyer here.�

i am quite disappointed with my SE as well. Not being very straight forward in my questions posted to her.

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knowingly that just a few days more the car price will drop by 1k(car price, not coe price), she still hurry me to book it.�

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Edited by drwatson, 10 June 2015 - 01:13 PM.

seems like there is a lot of disappointed k3 buyer here.�

i am quite disappointed with my SE as well. Not being very straight forward in my questions posted to her.

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knowingly that just a few days more the car price will drop by 1k(car price, not coe price), she still hurry me to book it.�

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SE has sales quota to meet every month too. �They may get the chop if they didn't meet the set target. �Of course they want to close the deal asap. �The time you haven't signed yet also means time you may find better deal somewhere else.

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SE has sales quota to meet every month too. �They may get the chop if they didn't meet the set target. �Of course they want to close the deal asap. �The time you haven't signed yet also means time you may find better deal somewhere else.

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fair enough. but still the buyer will feel somehow disappointed because it's only like 3 days later.

seems like there is a lot of disappointed k3 buyer here.�

i am quite disappointed with my SE as well. Not being very straight forward in my questions posted to her.

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knowingly that just a few days more the car price will drop by 1k(car price, not coe price), she still hurry me to book it.�

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The positive about this is that... the disappointment is towards the sales staff... but so far most of us are happy with the car itself :)�

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Enjoy the driving experience and the features. that is the most important. Money has already been spent.�

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I would have liked a sunroof with sports kit and HID lights at a lower price, but what to do...

i think this car is pretty small, same class as honda city, it would be better if it can be bigger. Interior wise also look very basic in terms of design...

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At the time I think I didn't show any real indication of wanting to book the car... so maybe that's why I got different response
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Maybe if you kpkb enough they can offer retrofit
But probably expensive

I don't think they will be so kind ;p

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The positive about this is that... the disappointment is towards the sales staff... but so far most of us are happy with the car itself :)�
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Enjoy the driving experience and the features. that is the most important. Money has already been spent.�
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I would have liked a sunroof with sports kit and HID lights at a lower price, but what to do...

Yea, I think the car is great. No doubt about that, for now, as the car is new.but yea, just the sian feeling caused by the drop in car price (not much change in COE though) and the increase in the number of features. Like Kena cheated haha

i think this car is pretty small, same class as honda city, it would be better if it can be bigger. Interior wise also look very basic in terms of design...

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Have you sat in both cars before?

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If the Forte dash and overall cabin design is basic, then I wonder what's Altis, the current POS FB Civic are called?

ya... v basic... kia k3..... really? Compare to honda city, the K3 wins in almost all specs/features provided except for the fuel consumption and rear camera view. Plus the city costs more than the K3 sports SX....

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however i must say the new city was a big step up and improvement interior wise compared to the old city. However when i walked around the Kah motors showroom, the design of the city (Exterior and interior) didn't attract me at all.... the only cars i test drove from them were the jazz and the HRV

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Edited by ricleosg, 10 June 2015 - 04:11 PM.

seems like there is a lot of disappointed k3 buyer here.�

i am quite disappointed with my SE as well. Not being very straight forward in my questions posted to her.

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knowingly that just a few days more the car price will drop by 1k(car price, not coe price), she still hurry me to book it.�

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I feel that these SE are kept in the dark most of the time to avoid these situations like what we hear now. Imagine their contradictions when they try to sell us a car now when the future is a better deal for us.

hmm how is your fuel efficiency on K3? What petrol + brand u all pump ar?

Ours quite bad leh...idk is this is normal for K3 8.8/100km our best was 8.7 duh!

Depends on a few important factors like % highway, avg number of people in the car etc.

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For 85% highway, avg 1.1 person, i am returning 7.5l per 100km.

i think this car is pretty small, same class as honda city, it would be better if it can be bigger. Interior wise also look very basic in terms of design...

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Hmmm.. issit? Then the Hyundai Elantra is also same class as honda city since the K3 is sharing a platform as the elantra.

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What car are you driving dino2016?

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Hmmm.. issit? Then the Hyundai Elantra is also same class as honda city since the K3 is sharing a platform as the elantra.

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What car are you driving dino2016?

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hehe and if you look at most comparsions, the Kia K3 is considered to be in the same category as the civic, mazda 3, toyota altis, Elantra, nissan sylphy VW Jetta.

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The city in my view... is more comparable to the smaller cars like the Kia rio, Hyundai Accent, toyota vios etc.

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http://www.caranddri...te-specs-page-7

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also curious what�dino2016 is driving

Edited by ricleosg, 10 June 2015 - 04:58 PM.

i think this car is pretty small, same class as honda city, it would be better if it can be bigger. Interior wise also look very basic in terms of design...

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Wrong comparison... K3 is same size as a Civic/Corolla. But I suppose it looks a bit smaller due to being rounder.
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Interior design, basic? With the driver-angled center console, faux carbon and wave-look? I've seen worse and there is no other car in this price-bracket or the B&B compact class with nearly as much equipment.
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The Honda City is mediocre on the interior design side, it looks decent but if you equate black gloss to premium design I suppose you'd think the City's interior looks good. Its meters are also old-fashioned and even its gear stick looks old-fashioned. Then there's the varying shapes. The vents and the HondaLink infotainment shroud are all wedge shaped, but then you have circular steering wheel buttons and ignition button, then triple barrel instrument cluster. imo, City's interior design is just not well sorted, it's rather ... incoherent in my eyes.

Are you just confusing the monotone color scheme of the Forte's interior for "design"?
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If anything I'd say the Forte has the best in-class interior, if not the Mazda 3.
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If the Forte dash and overall cabin design is basic, then I wonder what's Altis, the current POS FB Civic are called?

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I think I'd just call the Civic's interior "dated"... but it was amazingly cool when it came out, I still love the two-tier layout, but the rest of the interior could do with some serious refreshment. And all the black gloss plastic, ugh, I hate black gloss.

Edited by 7hm, 10 June 2015 - 05:41 PM.

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SE has sales quota to meet every month too. �They may get the chop if they didn't meet the set target. �Of course they want to close the deal asap. �The time you haven't signed yet also means time you may find better deal somewhere else.

No doubt the SEs would want to close as many deals asap, but they should still be truthful when answering our queries.

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no wonder my SE gave discount on existing stock for SX... cuz they were clearing way for the SX Sports.... my SE not upfront about the new model...
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i specifically asked if there will be an update soon, how come have discount for existing stock. He said he was not aware of any updates.

My SE was also 'selling' the guaranteed package for SX and offering discount when I was there to view and test drive the car. Think C & C wanted to clear the old stock asap.
I booked with him as he's not pushy when I opted for non-guaranteed package and gave the same discount to me for the SX Sports.

i think this car is pretty small, same class as honda city, it would be better if it can be bigger. Interior wise also look very basic in terms of design...

This car is pretty competitive size wise. You can take a look at the link below (signature). The k3 has leg/shoulder/etc room comparable to its competitors.

This car is pretty competitive size wise. You can take a look at the link below (signature). The k3 has leg/shoulder/etc room comparable to its competitors.

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wondering whether maybe its just reverse-placebo kind of effect... I ever been told that Audi A1 looks nice and big and looks like the same size as the taxi that (the person) was sitting in...

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but they like Audi... :huh:

Anybody doing PPS on their new ride? Seems like several of the players appointmmet already full till July, cant even go on protection 1st day fr collection.

Show of hands who use which PPS? CS-II? Lucky? Ace GT? New age? Detail Mania? Exquisite? Kosh? Elite? Detail Lab, Toughguard?

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wondering whether maybe its just reverse-placebo kind of effect... I ever been told that Audi A1 looks nice and big and looks like the same size as the taxi that (the person) was sitting in...
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but they like Audi...

Perception is always a finicky thing.

Then again not everyone is hung up on the bigger is better criterion.

Perception is always a finicky thing.

Then again not everyone is hung up on the bigger is better criterion.

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hehe big is good for comfort and storage.... but not so good normally for handling and parking.

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as long as the size fits your requirements for family/transporting groceries/golf clubs etc, it is a good size.

Anybody doing PPS on their new ride? Seems like several of the players appointmmet already full till July, cant even go on protection 1st day fr collection.

Show of hands who use which PPS? CS-II? Lucky? Ace GT? New age? Detail Mania? Exquisite? Kosh? Elite? Detail Lab, Toughguard?

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i havent selected PPS. hehe looking for good recommendations too! I think i will be driving this K3 long term, should be worth it to protect the paintwork.

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does PPS protect the white from turning yellowish/off white in the long term?

I advocate waxing by yourself. More fulfilling, and you get a workout at the same time!

i think this car is pretty small, same class as honda city, it would be better if it can be bigger. Interior wise also look very basic in terms of design...

This car has got the same wheel base (2700mm) as Nissan Sylphy, Toyota Altis, Mazda3, Hyundai Elantra, 30mm longer than Honda Civic. Honda City wheel base in only 2600mm. Only price comparison will be around same class as Honda City. Else all the features are much much more as I read from the features listed.�

I advocate waxing by yourself. More fulfilling, and you get a workout at the same time!

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Actually nowadays those good wax+synthetic resin protection can be had for less than $60 per bottle. �It is very easy to apply and rub off and it last 3-5 months per application. �

Anybody doing PPS on their new ride? Seems like several of the players appointmmet already full till July, cant even go on protection 1st day fr collection.

Show of hands who use which PPS? CS-II? Lucky? Ace GT? New age? Detail Mania? Exquisite? Kosh? Elite? Detail Lab, Toughguard?

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I haven't settle on a new car yet, but I would be planning to go for a PPS/detailing session ASAP if I collect a new car.

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Not for the shine/gloss because I don't care that much for reflections, but to protect the paint (as per the term "paint protection system"). PPS usually at least makes it easier to do quick washes on the car I think, and I don't see myself being the kind who will manually wash the car every two weeks, let alone once a week.

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Perception is always a finicky thing.

Then again not everyone is hung up on the bigger is better criterion.

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Problem with this case is, they think a Mini, same size as an Audi A1, is too small! �� [crazy]

So it really is just perception. Just like how when I viewed i40 Wagon, family thinks it's sibei enormous and longer than even E-Class.

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I haven't settle on a new car yet, but I would be planning to go for a PPS/detailing session ASAP if I collect a new car.

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Not for the shine/gloss because I don't care that much for reflections, but to protect the paint (as per the term "paint protection system"). PPS usually at least makes it easier to do quick washes on the car I think, and I don't see myself being the kind who will manually wash the car every two weeks, let alone once a week.

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Problem with this case is, they think a Mini, same size as an Audi A1, is too small! ��

So it really is just perception. Just like how when I viewed i40 Wagon, family thinks it's sibei enormous and longer than even E-Class.

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I would be keen on doing with Ace GT with regards to PPS as I quite like their comprehensive coverage of the entire car in terms of exterior, interior, windscreen and rims but of course the price also is on the high side. But it doesn't matter since pay so much for a car already, what is an additional few grand more to protect it?

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I'll be proceeding with them once my Caressential package finishes with C&C. [:p]
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I would be keen on doing with Ace GT with regards to PPS as I quite like their comprehensive coverage of the entire car in terms of exterior, interior, windscreen and rims but of course the price also is on the high side. But it doesn't matter since pay so much for a car already, what is an additional few grand more to protect it?

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I'll be proceeding with them once my Caressential package finishes with C&C.
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Ace GT asking for 4-digits? How many years long protection plan?

I agree though, comprehensive cover of interior and exterior detailing is probably worth it for resale and personal satisfaction... especially since our cars are subjected to such weather and already so much $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. [:|]

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I myself thinking of Elite or GroomersLab. Since both are more accessible for me. Elite's pricing seems a bit on the higher side though, GroomersLab don't mention any prices publicly.

But if I end up with another pre-owned then I think it depends on how much I like the new acquisition... [:p]

Edited by 7hm, 11 June 2015 - 02:08 PM.

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Ace GT asking for 4-digits? How many years long protection plan?

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I myself thinking of Elite or GroomersLab. Since both are more accessible for me. Elite's pricing seems a bit on the higher side though, GroomersLab don't mention any prices publicly.

But if I end up with another pre-owned then I think it depends on how much I like the new acquisition...

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$1,568 for just the exterior but haven't include the rest. This is for their extreme package, price is before discount.

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Honestly bro, if pre-owned and more than 3 or 4 years old then I think choose a simple package with detail mania will do. Unless is new car then really can consider Elite or Ace GT. The only consideration you need to think about is whether you want nano-ceramic technology or glass coating or others like crystal quartz etc. Another reason I choose Ace GT is because C&C coated mine with nano-sealant so I thought better to stick with the same idea moving forward.

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Not sure if it's the right logic but I guess it's the best option

$1,568 for just the exterior but haven't include the rest. This is for their extreme package, price is before discount.

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Honestly bro, if pre-owned and more than 3 or 4 years old then I think choose a simple package with detail mania will do. Unless is new car then really can consider Elite or Ace GT. The only consideration you need to think about is whether you want nano-ceramic technology or glass coating or others like crystal quartz etc. Another reason I choose Ace GT is because C&C coated mine with nano-sealant so I thought better to stick with the same idea moving forward.

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Not sure if it's the right logic but I guess it's the best option

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I guess also depends on how long the car will be kept... if only 1-year interim car then might as well do only a basic-level package [nod]

or, just save $$$ and don't do. [:p]

Edited by 7hm, 11 June 2015 - 02:18 PM.

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I guess also depends on how long the car will be kept... if only 1-year interim car then might as well do only a basic-level package

or, just save $$$ and don't do.

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hehe ya if it is a 1 yr interim car i will not do anything at all. just simple car wash once in a while haha....

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Actually nowadays those good wax+synthetic resin protection can be had for less than $60 per bottle. �It is very easy to apply and rub off and it last 3-5 months per application. �

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will the normal wax / synthetic resin protection protect white paintwork from turning yellow? or will only those PPS ceramic/glass/nanotech stuff work?

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hehe ya if it is a 1 yr interim car i will not do anything at all. just simple car wash once in a while haha....

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will the normal wax / synthetic resin protection protect white paintwork from turning yellow? or will only those PPS ceramic/glass/nanotech stuff work?

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For my previous grey car, I hand wax all the way. The shine is still marvellous. :) This is my first white car, so I will try and let you know in a few years' time, but I think using wax from reputable brands would not go that wrong.

Edited by Bigmouse1987, 11 June 2015 - 02:54 PM.

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For my previous grey car, I hand wax all the way. The shine is still marvellous. :) This is my first white car, so I will try and let you know in a few years' time, but I think using wax from reputable brands would not go that wrong.

I�guess you need to wash and groom your car frequently if your car is white, if not the paint surely not nice.

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Problem with this case is, they think a Mini, same size as an Audi A1, is too small! ��

So it really is just perception. Just like how when I viewed i40 Wagon, family thinks it's sibei enormous and longer than even E-Class.

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I am refering perception for cars of similar size/category. �Nobody in their right mind would "perceive" a Mini or A1 to have more space than a Sonata taxi.

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hehe ya if it is a 1 yr interim car i will not do anything at all. just simple car wash once in a while haha....

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will the normal wax / synthetic resin protection protect white paintwork from turning yellow? or will only those PPS ceramic/glass/nanotech stuff work?

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I am a bit skeptical about some of those 4 figures PPS. �What glass/ceramic coating? �They told me you have to take car for re-coat every 6 months even with this coating. �If it is really glass/ceramic wouldn't the coating supposed to last for a long, long time. �If the sun/rain can dissolve the coating then it is more like plastic than glass/ceramic.

I am refering perception for cars of similar size/category. �Nobody in their right mind would "perceive" a Mini or A1 to have more space than a Sonata taxi.

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In this case, they did. [crazy]

They were sitting inside the taxi and happened to pull up next to an A1. Apparently it looked like the same size at the time ...

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I am refering perception for cars of similar size/category. �Nobody in their right mind would "perceive" a Mini or A1 to have more space than a Sonata taxi.

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I am a bit skeptical about some of those 4 figures PPS. �What glass/ceramic coating? �They told me you have to take car for re-coat every 6 months even with this coating. �If it is really glass/ceramic wouldn't the coating supposed to last for a long, long time. �If the sun/rain can dissolve the coating then it is more like plastic than glass/ceramic.

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Nothing lasts forever one lah so take it that these people want to manage your expectations so that you don't expect one coating to really go the distance and also for recurring business lah.

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Likewise, if you think your car don't need this sort of coating then go ahead and wash it as per usual and go for the occassional waxing and polishing if need be. Do remember that waxing and polishing does indeed cause some damage to the original paintwork of your car.

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I think I'd just call the Civic's interior "dated"... but it was amazingly cool when it came out, I still love the two-tier layout, but the rest of the interior could do with some serious refreshment. And all the black gloss plastic, ugh, I hate black gloss.

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Correction. Its the current CMI FB Civic interior that looked like a mess.

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The FD Civic interior design still looks damn good and modern some 9 yrs after its introduction! Why I know? Becos I am driving a 2008 FD1 now. The design still looks futuristic without going the Star Wars way.

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The current FN Civic dash was clearly a case of change-just-for-the-sake-of-changing. And worse still, the team who did it was probably high on drugs or an overdose of Japs porn that they couldn't even think straight. [laugh]

Edited by Cheefarn, 11 June 2015 - 04:16 PM.

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Ace GT asking for 4-digits? How many years long protection plan?
I agree though, comprehensive cover of interior and exterior detailing is probably worth it for resale and personal satisfaction... especially since our cars are subjected to such weather and already so much $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
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I myself thinking of Elite or GroomersLab. Since both are more accessible for me. Elite's pricing seems a bit on the higher side though, GroomersLab don't mention any prices publicly.
But if I end up with another pre-owned then I think it depends on how much I like the new acquisition...

Based on my research only Ace & CS-II will go above 3digits. Elite,Toughguard,Kosh,Groomers, Mania, Exquisite, Opti, Lucky are all well below $600.

Like some said, if every 1 year need to go back for touchup or recoating, its nore like plastic rather den ceramics/glass. Also, might as well go for full package every year given the much lower cost.

Btw C&C paint protection is using what tange of products? $500 , top up a bit more can do from the abv shops I mention. . and inclusive of free car washes liao

KIA K3 is indeed a nice car.

I feel stress for KIA designers for the next coming model.

KIA K3 is indeed a nice car.

I feel stress for KIA designers for the next coming model.

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maybe it will look more and more Audi like... The new sorento is a example of the design evolution

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seriously when i look at this car at the car park with many other cars around, my impression is this car is small n inferior grade le, just the immediate gut feel, no offence... and when i tailgating this car, i also find it darn small just like the feeling when i tailgating an rx8... just my honest feeling...

seriously when i look at this car at the car park with many other cars around, my impression is this car is small n inferior grade le, just the immediate gut feel, no offence... and when i tailgating this car, i also find it darn small just like the feeling when i tailgating an rx8... just my honest feeling...

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hehe everyone is entitled to their own views and may have differing tastes for what is nice, good quality, and what is inferior.

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Just curious which nice and big car you are driving though. But given your subjective taste in car design on what is nice and what is similar class of vehicles (k3 vs city), I think most people here will disagree with you.

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Edited by ricleosg, 12 June 2015 - 11:29 AM.

Honda City has a lot of rear legroom (almost if not more than a previous Camry, quite amazing actually), but that's about it. I found the roof too low. And it looks ridiculously narrow from the outside due to the relatively high rear lid.

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The K3's sides are probably a bit too plain, but the City doesn't really look all that high-end either. And its tires are so small looking.

Edited by 7hm, 12 June 2015 - 12:21 PM.

seriously when i look at this car at the car park with many other cars around, my impression is this car is small n inferior grade le, just the immediate gut feel, no offence... and when i tailgating this car, i also find it darn small just like the feeling when i tailgating an rx8... just my honest feeling...

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Personally I'm a 7yrs City owner, When I tailed a K3, I feel my car is narrower. Proven by fact City�1715mm vs K3�1,780mm

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The rear legspace is better, but the width behind is smaller, due to the fact of the door side control & side of back seats eating space,�

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Overall K3 front+rear passaenger space >> City . � �4395mm vs�4,560mm

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i Love Honda cars, but given the price that u're paying for the H badge, u get less features, less asthetics (used to be better in the past eg prev gen Civic).

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Pros: Higher resale, proven reliability, recognised branding. Juz my 2c worth [smash]

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Personally I'm a 7yrs City owner, When I tailed a K3, I feel my car is narrower. Proven by fact City�1715mm vs K3�1,780mm

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The rear legspace is better, but the width behind is smaller, due to the fact of the door side control & side of back seats eating space,�

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Overall K3 front+rear passaenger space >> City . � �4395mm vs�4,560mm

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i Love Honda cars, but given the price that u're paying for the H badge, u get less features, less asthetics (used to be better in the past eg prev gen Civic).

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Pros: Higher resale, proven reliability, recognised branding. Juz my 2c worth

Reliability? Well it depends... my FD1 isn't exact very durable from the 5 yr onwards. Yes the car never failed me once and it starts everytime and the engine remain super smooth like day one, but the suspension parts, wheel bearings, engine mountings all failed much faster than I'd expect them to be. And these parts are expensive to replace

Pros: Higher resale, proven reliability, recognised branding. Juz my 2c worth

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other two points I agree... but reliability I think the koreans by now have proven themselves to be pretty reliable

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other two points I agree... but reliability I think the koreans by now have proven themselves to be pretty reliable

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They are still many who think that Korea car reliability is still like 10-20yrs ago...

KIA K3 is indeed a nice car.

I feel stress for KIA designers for the next coming model.

The new gen Forte will look something like this....

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other two points I agree... but reliability I think the koreans by now have proven themselves to be pretty reliable

Great Reliability doesn't apply to Subaru, Nissan and Mitsubishi hor... doesn't mean its a Japs brand=super reliable.

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Also, as I've posted b4, even if the car is reliable, you have to factor in parts durability as well... If the parts gets worn out much faster or sooner than its peers or industry average, the car can be expensive to maintain too.

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Honda cars belongs to the reliable but not very durable category.

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They are still many who think that Korea car reliability is still like 10-20yrs ago...

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Haha I am one of them !!!!.. I do admit that I'm one of those who still assume Korean realiability as of 10-20yrs ago.. But who cares?

I'm a new KIA owner now... I mean soon-to be official� [nod]

Edited by 4G63, 12 June 2015 - 04:37 PM.

KIA K3 is indeed a nice car.

I feel stress for KIA designers for the next coming model.

Next gen Optima... we will get it in a few months time.

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Just hope C & C bring in the turbo model..

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Just hope C & C bring in the turbo model..

Hope so.

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The old Theta II 2.4L is really not fuel efficient in today's world. Drinks quite a lot as compared to the current boring Accord 2.4 or the ah pek Camry 2.5.

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The 2L Nu Turbo will be a significant improvement in fuel economy and of cos power.

The new gen Forte will look something like this....

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Also, as I've posted b4, even if the car is reliable, you have to factor in parts durability as well... If the parts gets worn out much faster or sooner than its peers or industry average, the car can be expensive to maintain too.

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Honda cars belongs to the reliable but not very durable category.

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Dunno about here... Korean reliability has been top notch in the European countries and their 5 year warranty is quite good. In fact I think they said of the Pro c'eed: "there's a seven year warranty, but you are not expected to need it at all!" (because the car is that reliable).

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And Honda Civic wear & tear seems to be quite high according to users here

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And Honda Civic wear & tear seems to be quite high according to users here

My brother Civic 2.0L GB failed at 130k even though he change ATF regularly. Petrol tank was also changed due to leak.
My Father Picanto just scrap on Feb this year after COE expired. Only normal wear and tear in 10yrs usage.

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Wow !!! Can I refund my deposit & wait for this?? ... Kidding.

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Swee...

Just hope C & C bring in the turbo model..

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New Tucson not gonna have Turbo GDi brought in... wouldn't be surprised if C&C follow suit and don't bring Turbo GDi Optima.

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Also somehow the new Optima reminds me a bit of the facelifted Camry though. It's the front bumper design.

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New Tucson not gonna have Turbo GDi brought in... wouldn't be surprised if C&C follow suit and don't bring Turbo GDi Optima.

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Also somehow the new Optima reminds me a bit of the facelifted Camry though. It's the front bumper design.

The new Optima doesn't require separate foglamps assembly. The foglamps are integrated into the headlamps assembly. Not many models do this but this is a great design IMHO

My brother Civic 2.0L GB failed at 130k even though he change ATF regularly. Petrol tank was also changed due to leak.
My Father Picanto just scrap on Feb this year after COE expired. Only normal wear and tear in 10yrs usage.

My FD1 GB also showing signs of slippage on the 1st and 2nd gear at light throttle [bigcry] �And my mileage at ard 88k only TMD... I dare not even want to know how much the cost is going to be...

[bigcry] � [knife]

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Also somehow the new Optima reminds me a bit of the facelifted Camry though. It's the front bumper design.

If they don't bring in, buyers will have to pay extra since normal GDI Nu engines cant qualify for the super strict CEVS. And fuel economy is going to suffer.

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The old Theta II simply have no chance to get qualified for any rebates

The new Optima doesn't require separate foglamps assembly. The foglamps are integrated into the headlamps assembly. Not many models do this but this is a great design IMHO

If they don't bring in, buyers will have to pay extra since normal GDI Nu engines cant qualify for the super strict CEVS. And fuel economy is going to suffer.

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C&C and Komoco here do bring in well equipped cars (mostly...) but it just seems they are really reluctant to bring in their best drive trains. Either that or it's something that the Korean HQ don't want... which would be strange

Regent Motors also didn't bring in Focus with 1.0L EcoBoost turbo

seriously when i look at this car at the car park with many other cars around, my impression is this car is small n inferior grade le, just the immediate gut feel, no offence... and when i tailgating this car, i also find it darn small just like the feeling when i tailgating an rx8... just my honest feeling...

What about your feel of the Hyundai Elantra?

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What about your feel of the Hyundai Elantra?

Personal feel.. Elantra seems wider from the rear view, maybe coz of the fact that the boot seems to extend higher.. but if do dimension comparison, our K3 is still bigger, wider and longer [laugh]

Wow !!! Can I refund my deposit & wait for this?? ... Kidding.

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i bought from Taobao. and is good and cheap.

i bought from Taobao. and is good and cheap.

Bro, the closest I found on Taobao is as below, no cubic print,

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sorry bro, tried searching my history, but i can't find the shop anymore.

am not too sure if mine is carbon print or not.

didn't really notice it.

seriously when i look at this car at the car park with many other cars around, my impression is this car is small n inferior grade le, just the immediate gut feel, no offence... and when i tailgating this car, i also find it darn small just like the feeling when i tailgating an rx8... just my honest feeling...

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Come to think of it... why were you tailgating??????? [dizzy]

seriously when i look at this car at the car park with many other cars around, my impression is this car is small n inferior grade le, just the immediate gut feel, no offence... and when i tailgating this car, i also find it darn small just like the feeling when i tailgating an rx8... just my honest feeling...

Of coz we don't feel offended cos we r all adults here, unlike u a kid who can't differentiate n kept self defending...even if u r a grown man, I feel sad for ur bird brain.

Personal feel.. Elantra seems wider from the rear view, maybe coz of the fact that the boot seems to extend higher.. but if do dimension comparison, our K3 is still bigger, wider and longer

The Elantra does seem wider to me too. Perhaps looks can be deceiving. However, size is just one of the aspects of a car. There are many factors to consider as well.

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Come to think of it... why were you tailgating???????

he wants to tell us that he can tailgate even an RX8. Perhaps he is driving a real performance car.

But why bother with the K3, a family car? [crazy]

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Regent Motors also didn't bring in Focus with 1.0L EcoBoost turbo

Its adaptive beam setup that's getting quite common in western countries.

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Of cos, the good old foglamp switch is still there for users to switch on the foglamps manually

wow.... didn't realize people still debating K3 a lot even after 2 years...

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Yeah, I wish for HID headlight as well but I'm not complaining.... Different timing have different configuration/packages for car... This applied to other AD too..

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As for the K3 compare to new Honda City... hmm.. this is that fellow entitled to his own views. Creating new account just to shoot K3 only... Probably some K3 owner offended him previously, so just create new account to do so...

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But as far as personal feel... both are different class.. As for comparing to Elantra, personally both are spacious but for the rear passenger seats, there is a hump in the middle for Elantra, that my makes middle passenger slightly uncomfortable depending on the passenger height.. But, Elantra still quite spacious as well..

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so it's like Mercedes' Intelligent Light System or Ford's Dynamic LED? Should be really neat, if KIA is going to bring it to market it means it will soon be a mainstream feature?

wow.... didn't realize people still debating K3 a lot even after 2 years...

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But as far as personal feel... both are different class.. As for comparing to Elantra, personally both are spacious but for the rear passenger seats, there is a hump in the middle for Elantra, that my makes middle passenger slightly uncomfortable depending on the passenger height.. But, Elantra still quite spacious as well..

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so it's like Mercedes' Intelligent Light System or Ford's Dynamic LED? Should be really neat, if KIA is going to bring it to market it means it will soon be a mainstream feature?

I don't think the Hyundai group will apply this expensive lighting tech to all their cars.

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Only up market models will get it I am sure.

I don't think the Hyundai group will apply this expensive lighting tech to all their cars.

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Logical... doubt Accent or Elantra or Rio will get...

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Next gen Cerato/Forte or Sonata probably... i40 already has this technology, so does Cee'd, I think.

But, if it at least is coming to Optima it is a sign it is arriving to the mass-er sort of market.

If only Kia brings in the MT version of K3. So heartening to see so many korean car owners here. Over at hyundai thread, there is hardly any one..

Zzz... And the only B&B MT cars are only down to Nissan Almera and Hyundai Accent.

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Come to think of it... why were you tailgating???????

"Lao hua"... Cannot see clearly.... Lol

"Why the car so chio? Must find out what car is that"...

By the time he/she get close to it... He/she cannot believe he/she is praising K3... Lol

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If only Kia brings in the MT version of K3. So heartening to see so many korean car owners here. Over at hyundai thread, there is hardly any one..

Zzz... And the only B&B MT cars are only down to Nissan Almera and Hyundai Accent.

hi ivan. im a elantra driver myself. yes we do not chat over mcf. but we have an elantra club registered in the registry societies of singapore. we have a facebook page. We have events and meetups every month. We have road trips. We have group buys. Currently we have 95 registered club members. and we are like 1 big family. Do visit our fb page to see our videos. Just search elantra club on facebook.

This coming friday at kallang car park we will have our monthly meet up. Do come take a look. At least 25 cars will appear.

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so it's like Mercedes' Intelligent Light System or Ford's Dynamic LED? Should be really neat, if KIA is going to bring it to market it means it will soon be a mainstream feature?

FYI, the current Optima 2.4 we have already came standard with steerable headlamps beam. The beam throw is auto adj based on your steering wheel angle.

FYI, the current Optima 2.4 we have already came standard with steerable headlamps beam. The beam throw is auto adj based on your steering wheel angle.

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In the Koreans I know the Forte doesn't have, Optima they told me at the time don't have in its bi-xenons, while i40 has full AFLS (but no high beam assistant). i40's also got dedicated cornering halogen in addition to its projector actuation. Not sure about their larger cars like the SUVs, but of course, Genesis has it.

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In the Koreans I know the Forte doesn't have, Optima they told me at the time don't have in its bi-xenons, while i40 has full AFLS (but no high beam assistant). i40's also got dedicated cornering halogen in addition to its projector actuation. Not sure about their larger cars like the SUVs, but of course, Genesis has it.

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Some cars I think don't have left/right angling but have only dedicated cornering light. Volkswagen Golf with the bi-xenons, I saw a video which show the projectors have angling.... VW SG told me though the car doesn't turn the projectors but use the foglamps as cornering lights. Not sure whether believe them or believe video

For Optima, the preFL version already have the AFLS. This is why Optima uses projector lens. The lens holder is electrically movable X and Y Axis.

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Its is true that the prev gen YF Sonata 2.4 doesn't have this feature. Only the i40 got it. But the current nobody-buys Sonata.... it has AFLS.

For Optima, the preFL version already have the AFLS. This is why Optima uses projector lens. The lens holder is electrically movable X and Y Axis.

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Huh... they told me don't have, Hyundai SG website don't mention AFLS for Sonata at all... Or you mean other country??

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The dot matrix foglamps... thought we call them "ice cube" hahahahaha!

I actually liked that look, sort of disappointed they decided not to keep it.

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Our 1st 2 cars were Jpn brand, & to be honest, we did not look into Korean brand back then when we bought our 1st car 13 yrs ago & 2nd car 9 yrs ago. Back then, Jpn brand cars were made in Jpn, but now that a lot had moved to Thailand, we thought why not look out for a continental car or Korea brand, told my hubby that I prefer Korea made than Thailand made, haha...

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At first, I was planning to look at Hyundai first but after a salesperson from XX Jpn brand said their car is using YY engine & cars using such engine perform better, & mentioned which other brands that are using such engine, Kia was mentioned, so I ended up visiting Kia first before Hyundai. After visiting few brands, we decided on Kia Forte K3 SX Sports. We were attracted by the features that it offered as this was the only car in Cat A that can meet the features we're looking for like leg space, boot space & rear air-con!!! Rear air-con is really something that I hope for as it frustrates us as either front passengers are freezing or back passengers are melting! Of course, we were impressed by the other features that comes with it.

Do u mind sharing what other discounts they can give against the listed price?
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Our 1st 2 cars were Jpn brand, & to be honest, we did not look into Korean brand back then when we bought our 1st car 13 yrs ago & 2nd car 9 yrs ago. Back then, Jpn brand cars were made in Jpn, but now that a lot had moved to Thailand, we thought why not look out for a continental car or Korea brand, told my hubby that I prefer Korea made than Thailand made, haha...
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At first, I was planning to look at Hyundai first but after a salesperson from XX Jpn brand said their car is using YY engine & cars using such engine perform better, & mentioned which other brands that are using such engine, Kia was mentioned, so I ended up visiting Kia first before Hyundai. After visiting few brands, we decided on Kia Forte K3 SX Sports. We were attracted by the features that it offered as this was the only car in Cat A that can meet the features we're looking for like leg space, boot space & rear air-con!!! Rear air-con is really something that I hope for as it frustrates us as either front passengers are freezing or back passengers are melting! Of course, we were impressed by the other features that comes with it.

At first, I was planning to look at Hyundai first but after a salesperson from XX Jpn brand said their car is using YY engine & cars using such engine perform better, & mentioned which other brands that are using such engine, Kia was mentioned, so I ended up visiting Kia first before Hyundai.

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I dunno what they talking about here... Hyundai & KIA under same corporate umbrella, so they are sharing drivetrain (engine & transmission) and platform (suspension, chassis design, etc.) ... Those larger older Korean cars (last gen) should be using an engine we call Theta-II... newer ones have Nu series engine (like i40).

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As these engines are Hyundai motocorp developed though, they are not being used by any other brand especially those from Japan... who are mostly using their own engines, like Honda use their VTEC system engines and Toyota have VVT-i.

Unless your XX Jpn brand SE is just generalizing that all these cars have variable valve timing (Hyundai/KIA call this CVVT) 1.6L engines

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I dare say the Japanese marques are too proud of their own engine technology to ever think of comparing their engines to Korean ones let alone say they are "using the same such engine".

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Kia officially launch the k3 with sunroof liao
Saw inside strait times

Kia officially launch the k3 with sunroof liao
Saw inside strait times

Ermm.. I thot it was already available sometimes back. At least it was when I booked my SX Sports 3weeks back.

Anyway juz tio COE yesterday.. Adviced collection date will be 1st week July. 2weeks waitin time izzit normal?

Ermm.. I thot it was already available sometimes back. At least it was when I booked my SX Sports 3weeks back.

Anyway juz tio COE yesterday.. Adviced collection date will be 1st week July. 2weeks waitin time izzit normal?

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As these engines are Hyundai motocorp developed though, they are not being used by any other brand especially those from Japan... who are mostly using their own engines, like Honda use their VTEC system engines and Toyota have VVT-i.

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I dare say the Japanese marques are too proud of their own engine technology to ever think of comparing their engines to Korean ones let alone say they are "using the same such engine".

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My bad, perhaps I should be more specific. It's the technology used to make the engine, e.g. direct injection.

My bad, perhaps I should be more specific. It's the technology used to make the engine, e.g. direct injection.

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Direct injection, huh? That's what I was actually expecting you to be referring to, though some of the Hyundai-KIA cars use MPi engines (multi-point injection) instead of GDi (gasoline direct injection).

In fact your SE could be wrong... KIA's website tells me the Forte sold here in 1.6L guise is a Gamma MPi and not a direct injection model (GDi).

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GDI should be for their Carrens model onwards.. reali feel a big diff when I test-drive it. [bounce2]

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ya man :( a mistake on their part.

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Guys...any idea if i can play my phone music by connecting using through USB? �mine is euro style.
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tried connecting usb to my phone just now but eurostyle doesnt detect my music files from my phone.

Not sure about use... But I'm quite sure you can play it via Bluetooth connection.

I think it was mention here before... Let me check it out

Found the post!!

See here... Page 50

http://www.mycarforu...heck-in/page-50

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Not sure about use... But I'm quite sure you can play it via Bluetooth connection.

I think it was mention here before... Let me check it out

Found the post!!

See here... Page 50

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Are you using MTP or mass storage connection? if this eurostyle thing isn't very advanced it may need Mass Storage mode to work. Normally USB port for cars like this is for using a pen drive.

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Direct injection, huh? That's what I was actually expecting you to be referring to, though some of the Hyundai-KIA cars use MPi engines (multi-point injection) instead of GDi (gasoline direct injection).

In fact your SE could be wrong... KIA's website tells me the Forte sold here in 1.6L guise is a Gamma MPi and not a direct injection model (GDi).

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Oh, actually it was not KIA's SE who spoke abt direct injection. It was a Jpn brand AD SE who spoke abt it, promoting how gd their car engine is & list down which brands car engine using direct injection & KIA was mentioned, which led me to look at KIA. Indirectly, this Jpn brand AD SE helped to "promote" KIA & we ended up getting K3, haha...�

Do u mind sharing what other discounts they can give against the listed price?
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Cash discounts wise, I would think the larger cars, usually those in Cat B, would have higher chance of getting it. I didn't ask Kia about their Cat B cars as K3 already meet a lot of the features that we're looking for, but for other brands, they can usually give at least 1k or even more, depending on car model.

Anyone considered this vs Mazda 3 or Altis?

Anyone considered this vs Mazda 3 or Altis?

I did... and some fellow K3ians too I believe..

My decision down to features and pricing... car is roomy and some others factor.. but pricing really a decision factor..

Both Altis and Mazda 3 have their advantages.. notably their FC.

I think choosing a car is still down to individual preferences and their expectations. If FC is a concern, K3 is no no.. not the best among 3, but still not worst. Happy Hunting!! :)

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Looks: M3 wins. >> K3 Overall better den Altis (prefer the ass, but front cmi)�� 3.88/5

Room Space: K3�~ = Altis maybe rear passenger slightly bigger & no hump)�>>�M3 jitao small...�� 4/5

Interior: M3 = Conti style,tasteful styling, K3 decent, Altis CMI��3.5/5

Price: K3 wins hand down... Altis & M3 smell smoke�� 5/5

Features: K3 wins hand down... Altis & M3 smell smoke�� 5/5

Safety: K3 >> M3/Altis��(given same price)��4.5/5��

Trade in (AD):��M3>K3>Altis��4/5

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+ Good Service (the best among all other AD I went) + Good Discount��5/5

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Sign on paper... No questions asked [laugh]

A lot of people have compared Forte to Altis already since they are in the same class bracket and -close- enough in terms of price. Mazda 3 as well.

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For me between MZ3 & Forte it is really a toss up depending on what you want. Agility and handling performance, good economy, classy interior with HUD, MZ3 for sure. If you are all about luxury, equipment and value for money, the Forte is arguably the best on the market in this class.

Edited by 7hm, 21 June 2015 - 02:18 AM.

Guys, which petrol you guys usually go for?�

i went for my first petrol top up today and was shock that 95 full tank cost 79 bucks(after discount) spc. haha

Guys, which petrol you guys usually go for?�

i went for my first petrol top up today and was shock that 95 full tank cost 79 bucks(after discount) spc. haha

Using Shell 95. 98 does not seem to give me any extra feeling of economy or power. Or is it the way i drive?

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And yes, prices are not that good ever since they increase the petrol tax

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I did... and some fellow K3ians too I believe..

My decision down to features and pricing... car is roomy and some others factor.. but pricing really a decision factor..

Both Altis and Mazda 3 have their advantages.. notably their FC.

I think choosing a car is still down to individual preferences and their expectations. If FC is a concern, K3 is no no.. not the best among 3, but still not worst. Happy Hunting!! :)

How much are you getting for your FC? During this school holiday, I can get 13.5km/l. Else, it is at least 12.5km/l for 80 hw.

Using Shell 95. 98 does not seem to give me any extra feeling of economy or power. Or is it the way i drive?

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And yes, prices are not that good ever since they increase the petrol tax

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How much are you getting for your FC? During this school holiday, I can get 13.5km/l. Else, it is at least 12.5km/l for 80 hw.

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is 92 too weak?

is 92 too weak?

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I think your fuel cap or manual will say minimum

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I would just pump whatever meets the minimum.

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I think your fuel cap or manual will say minimum

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I would just pump whatever meets the minimum.

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Ya... recently switch to 92... still monitor...

hehe monitor and let us know well the 92 works....

Hi all, anyone getting the front, rear and steering wheel emblem for k3? i would like to tag along. tyvm

Edited by k3k3k3, 22 June 2015 - 06:29 PM.

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is 92 too weak?

i use Shell which does not have 92. So i have not tried. Not convenient for me to pump 92.

Perhaps others can advise

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Looks: M3 wins. >> K3 Overall better den Altis (prefer the ass, but front cmi)�� 3.88/5
Room Space: K3�~ = Altis maybe rear passenger slightly bigger & no hump)�>>�M3 jitao small...�� 4/5
Interior: M3 = Conti style,tasteful styling, K3 decent, Altis CMI��3.5/5
Price: K3 wins hand down... Altis & M3 smell smoke�� 5/5
Features: K3 wins hand down... Altis & M3 smell smoke�� 5/5
Safety: K3 >> M3/Altis��(given same price)��4.5/5��
Trade in (AD):��M3>K3>Altis��4/5
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+ Good Service (the best among all other AD I went) + Good Discount��5/5
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Sign on paper... No questions asked

I am looking at k3 as my next car.. Just curious, where do you get the facts or derive that k3 safety is better than mazda 3 and altis? Thanks.

I am looking at k3 as my next car.. Just curious, where do you get the facts or derive that k3 safety is better than mazda 3 and altis? Thanks.

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I think they are grading it based on safety equipment relative to its price. All are 5-star NCAP-scorers but they have different layers of protection.

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Altis is more expensive yet has least equipment, apparently it hasn't even got stability control program.

MZ3 is a bit more expensive than a Forte K3 but has a little less equipment.

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The Forte has a generous list of equipment and this extends to its safety, which includes active assists like hill-start assist and VSM with ESC (stability management & skid control, the Mazda equivalents are labelled DSC & traction control), front parking sensors and I believe it has cruise control. I think it also has an auto-dimming rear view mirror. Lastly but not least I believe it has 6 airbags in total, two up over a MZ3 Deluxe. The KIA also has speed-sensing automatic door locks, a feature that the Mazda 3 has disabled for some weird reason in SG.

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So in terms of safety vs cost the Forte is a bit better. It also has a pretty solid chassis, so it will stand up to collisions well just as these two Japanese cars will. But I imagine the extra two airbags can be meaningful to your rear passengers.

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I think your fuel cap or manual will say minimum

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I would just pump whatever meets the minimum.

Most modern cars in SG will run with 91 octane fuel onwards, but how well and how EFFICENT it runs is another matter altogether.

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Yes 91 octane is enough to prevent the engine from knocking, but that's becos anti-knock sensors in the engine has instructed the ECU to�retard (or detune the engine) to the extreme end of its operating spectrum. In a lab env, 91 octane will indeed be sufficient for daily usage.

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In real world driving env however, things are not so clear cut. You see if your 92 octane is enough when you Forte is loaded with passengers, and driving in super hot climate like these few weeks. Don't be surprised to hear minor knocks from the engine under hard acceleration. And don't expect any decent fuel economy with 92 octane for the engine needs to burn more fuel to prevent�knocking and pre-detonation.�

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The major difference between the grades, in addition to octane numbers, are the additives (or the lack of it) from various manufacturers. 98 octane will obviously receive the best cocktail portion the oil company can offer. This is why most of us reported marked improvement in drivability when we used 98 octane vs 95 or 92. 95 will get lesser/different additives mix and 92, probably borderline mix.

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Between 95 and 98 the octane doesn't play such important role in overall engine operating efficiency, it is the�additives that's running the show. But downgrade all the way to 92, efficiency will suffer liao.

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I think they are grading it based on safety equipment relative to its price. All are 5-star NCAP-scorers but they have different layers of protection.

�

Altis is more expensive yet has least equipment, apparently it hasn't even got stability control program.

MZ3 is a bit more expensive than a Forte K3 but has a little less equipment.

�

The Forte has a generous list of equipment and this extends to its safety, which includes active assists like hill-start assist and VSM with ESC (stability management & skid control, the Mazda equivalents are labelled DSC & traction control), front parking sensors and I believe it has cruise control. I think it also has an auto-dimming rear view mirror. Lastly but not least I believe it has 6 airbags in total, two up over a MZ3 Deluxe. The KIA also has speed-sensing automatic door locks, a feature that the Mazda 3 has disabled for some weird reason in SG.

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So in terms of safety vs cost the Forte is a bit better. It also has a pretty solid chassis, so it will stand up to collisions well just as these two Japanese cars will. But I imagine the extra two airbags can be meaningful to your rear passengers.

The latest batches of Altis Elegance comes with VSC/traction control. The switch is located on the dash to the right of the steering wheel

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But knowing BM, no matter how advanced Toyota progress with the Corolla platform, we will always get an empty shell so that they can have max profits.

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Eg, the aircon compressor is located fitted to keep the OMV down. Yes they used factory original parts throughout, but seriously, what's the big idea to remove the engine on every brand new car just to install the compressor and its parts?

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And the climate control system have no heater function. so its not a real climate control. No dual zone control also.

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Even the foglamps is locally fitted with a inconveniently located push button in front of the gearshift instead of a ring switch as we would expect. �No foglamp indicator in the instrument cluster for the Altis 1.6 is a base model in Thailand and the car doesn't come with foglamps so Toyota used a slightly different instrument cluster.

Last time when I was driving a Hyundai... I thought using 92 will save me money as it's cheaper.. But ended up 95 give slightly better FC because car feels easier on the go so I dun have to press more... N 95 also less vibrations n acceleration slightly smoother.

Last time when I was driving a Hyundai... I thought using 92 will save me money as it's cheaper.. But ended up 95 give slightly better FC because car feels easier on the go so I dun have to press more... N 95 also less vibrations n acceleration slightly smoother.

Upgrade from 92 to 98 and you will wonder if you suddenly got a new more powerful engine under the hood LOL

Upgrade from 92 to 98 and you will wonder if you suddenly got a new more powerful engine under the hood LOL

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probably next pump try 98... but as for 92, so far no difference from 95... :)

Most modern cars in SG will run with 91 octane fuel onwards, but how well and how EFFICENT it runs is another matter altogether.

�

Yes 91 octane is enough to prevent the engine from knocking, but that's becos anti-knock sensors in the engine has instructed the ECU to�retard (or detune the engine) to the extreme end of its operating spectrum. In a lab env, 91 octane will indeed be sufficient for daily usage.

�

In real world driving env however, things are not so clear cut. You see if your 92 octane is enough when you Forte is loaded with passengers, and driving in super hot climate like these few weeks. Don't be surprised to hear minor knocks from the engine under hard acceleration. And don't expect any decent fuel economy with 92 octane for the engine needs to burn more fuel to prevent�knocking and pre-detonation.�

�

The major difference between the grades, in addition to octane numbers, are the additives (or the lack of it) from various manufacturers. 98 octane will obviously receive the best cocktail portion the oil company can offer. This is why most of us reported marked improvement in drivability when we used 98 octane vs 95 or 92. 95 will get lesser/different additives mix and 92, probably borderline mix.

�

Between 95 and 98 the octane doesn't play such important role in overall engine operating efficiency, it is the�additives that's running the show. But downgrade all the way to 92, efficiency will suffer liao.

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pretty much I opt to just pump whatever is manufacturer recommended minimum; it's been proven by a lot of independents that a high octane fuel is just extra money for little benefit, but a fuel with an insufficient octane rating can damage your engine even if it doesn't affect performance.

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If it's down to additives, I do have access to a mixture I trust a lot [thumbsup]

The latest batches of Altis Elegance comes with VSC/traction control. The switch is located on the dash to the right of the steering wheel

�

But knowing BM, no matter how advanced Toyota progress with the Corolla platform, we will always get an empty shell so that they can have max profits.

�

Eg, the aircon compressor is located fitted to keep the OMV down. Yes they used factory original parts throughout, but seriously, what's the big idea to remove the engine on every brand new car just to install the compressor and its parts?

�

And the climate control system have no heater function. so its not a real climate control. No dual zone control also.

�

Even the foglamps is locally fitted with a inconveniently located push button in front of the gearshift instead of a ring switch as we would expect. �No foglamp indicator in the instrument cluster for the Altis 1.6 is a base model in Thailand and the car doesn't come with foglamps so Toyota used a slightly different instrument cluster.

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and somehow the car's OMV is still sort of high... with their margin ~$8k?

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I think they are grading it based on safety equipment relative to its price. All are 5-star NCAP-scorers but they have different layers of protection.

�

Altis is more expensive yet has least equipment, apparently it hasn't even got stability control program.

MZ3 is a bit more expensive than a Forte K3 but has a little less equipment.

�

The Forte has a generous list of equipment and this extends to its safety, which includes active assists like hill-start assist and VSM with ESC (stability management & skid control, the Mazda equivalents are labelled DSC & traction control), front parking sensors and I believe it has cruise control. I think it also has an auto-dimming rear view mirror. Lastly but not least I believe it has 6 airbags in total, two up over a MZ3 Deluxe. The KIA also has speed-sensing automatic door locks, a feature that the Mazda 3 has disabled for some weird reason in SG.

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So in terms of safety vs cost the Forte is a bit better. It also has a pretty solid chassis, so it will stand up to collisions well just as these two Japanese cars will. But I imagine the extra two airbags can be meaningful to your rear passengers.

The Kia K3 hill-start assist is awesome. I only got to know how it works recently �

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