I am doing 11km/L for a travelling pattern of 30% highway 70% city.It will get a bit better but it won't be magic, maybe 1km/L extra on average. Also as you get used to the car you will find the best way to drive it, which will also improve the FC.
I am doing 11km/L for a travelling pattern of 30% highway 70% city.
Same Bro, i am doing between 10.7-11.4km/l.
I reckon K3 FC will not be fantastic as our driving pattern involve huge amount of city traffic.
I should think so, am about reaching the 2k mark and it seems the FC has stabilised around this level. When I do travel a little more on Highway, the FC improves a little but gradually it would fall back to the 11km/L level. Given our travelling pattern, I find it acceptable lah. Not forgetting, sometimes traffic will be heavy on Highway too.Same Bro, i am doing between 10.7-11.4km/l.
I reckon K3 FC will not be fantastic as our driving pattern involve huge amount of city traffic.
Hi all, FC for me is ard 15km/l...depends on whether how often I use expressways...the best I ever get was 16.39km/l or 6.1L/100km after heavy usage of expressways..I am pretty light footed I believe...still monitoring..
Wah your FC is very good leh. But the FC gauge computer only shows at that point of time. Should take total distance travelled divided by liters of petrol re-filled.
If at $98k I think Elantra maybe a better buy actually. I chose K3 becos its 7k cheaper than the Elantra. If I don't get it maybe I will switch to an Elantra or jus sit and wait for the new K3 facelift. Or maybe jus do without a car as its not cost efficient hahaha(basically lazy and over reliant on a car)�
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Hmmm... the thing is that C&C keeps the price low to attract people into buy, kind of a psychological trick. With such a low and unrealistic non-guaranteed COE car price, people would just try, take a punt and hope the COE slides, or that C&C would bid high enough. After 2-3 bids, I think it's quite clear to all these people who booked the very low priced non-guaranteed COE Forte SX package that C&C is just toying with you. It's not a serious intention to sell the car at that price, cos the COE rebate and the current COE premium is about $10,000 apart. What this then means is that for C&C, the guaranteed COE package car prices are the real car prices. And this puts the Forte SX on par in terms of price with the Elantra Elite.
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So basically to all those who are eyeing the Forte SX, be realistic. Go for the guaranteed package and pay that price. So when you shop around and compare with other makes, use that guaranteed COE package price. This puts the Forte SX & Elantra Elite head-to-head. And it is now a comparison of which feature set you prefer, which SE is better at his or her service provided. And how comfortable you feel with either C&C or Komoco's sales tactics.
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Honestly, I liked the Optima K5 very much. I test drove it the moment it came in. I was waiting for the new model since Dec 2015. I didn't pay much attention to the Sonata then cos it was priced much higher. At least $10,000 more for the sunroof trim. The Optima K5 only had one trim and it was the equivalent to the sunroof trim. Even with the new model, there is only one trim level for the Optima and it still goes head to head with the sunroof model. But when I talked to my SE at Komoco, I realised that Komoco didn't mess around with guaranteed packages and COE rebate nonsense. They gave pretty high COE rebates, and was willing to bid higher than the current COE price at the point that I booked the car in late Mar 2016. In fact, they were willing to disclose how much they would bid and was fairly confident that they would get the COE. And that convinced me to go with them whereas at C&C side, there was a lot of uncertainty and I felt like they were gaming the customer. Of course my SE at C&C hinted strongly that I should get the guaranteed COE package. But the way they had non-guaranteed and guaranteed COE packages left a rather bad taste in my mouth. While Komoco also has a 6-bid non-guaranteed package, they didn't have a guaranteed one. So far in the Hyundai threads, most get their cars within 2 bid, barring any COE upsets.
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This is my experience and opinion after shopping around monitoring car prices and COE premiums for about 4 months. My dad was also buying a car then in Nov/Dec 2015. Now my sister is also looking to get another car. So together, we visited many dealerships, and almost all the mainstream car brands. Basically, all the Continental car brands don't play around with this COE rebate nonsense. They set car prices high enough and with sufficient margins to get their COEs without too much fuss. Some Jap dealerships do the same like Borneo Motors and Tan Chong. The two Korean car brands you know from above. Not sure about Mazda and Subaru cos didn't really discuss terms.
Wah your FC is very good leh. But the FC gauge computer only shows at that point of time. Should take total distance travelled divided by liters of petrol re-filled.
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The first screen after the digital speedometer shows the average FC for that tank of petrol you pump. You can set the trip computer to reset the mileage and fuel consumption every time you pump fuel. Then the average FC you see would be for that tank of petrol. It's pretty accurate.
Got my SX early April and is now reaching the 1000KM distance travelled. My FC according to the computer has stablised at 7.5 to 7.8 L/100KM. Is this considered good?
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Booked the 1K servicing and see how the FC will go.
To be honest, what's the point in waiting another 2 more bids? You consider yourself lucky you can quickly take back your deposit even before the 6th bid. Your SE is letting you know, there is no way you will be able to get your COE in a nice way.Advise needed. I had book a kia k3 SX model 6 non-guarantee bid after the Feb 2nd bidding. Currently, I'm left with 2 more bidding. Before the April 2nd bid my SE actually ask me to top up a 6k to switch to guarantee bid which I forgo this top up.
This morning I receive a msg from my SE asking me to top up a 7k to switch to 2 guarantee bid as I had only left with 2 bid if I don't want to top up I can choose to cancel my coe bidding immediately. So I told my SE that I still stick with the non guarantee bid as I had left with 2 more bidding only and I won't top up. But he message me telling me that he will release the car I reserved for sales. In the event of I manage to secure a COE in this 2 bids I will have to choose a new car. Can the SE just release the car which had been reserved and sign in the contract?
Top up if your current car has major repairs, COE expiring soon or u think COE will continue trending up or u prefer this k3 design to the facelifted version
Take back your deposit if you can wait but the new k3 may be launched by then..
I can assure you, your 39,999 bid will not happen in the coming 2 bids.
Hmmm... the thing is that C&C keeps the price low to attract people into buy, kind of a psychological trick. With such a low and unrealistic non-guaranteed COE car price, people would just try, take a punt and hope the COE slides, or that C&C would bid high enough. After 2-3 bids, I think it's quite clear to all these people who booked the very low priced non-guaranteed COE Forte SX package that C&C is just toying with you. It's not a serious intention to sell the car at that price, cos the COE rebate and the current COE premium is about $10,000 apart. What this then means is that for C&C, the guaranteed COE package car prices are the real car prices. And this puts the Forte SX on par in terms of price with the Elantra Elite.
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So basically to all those who are eyeing the Forte SX, be realistic. Go for the guaranteed package and pay that price. So when you shop around and compare with other makes, use that guaranteed COE package price. This puts the Forte SX & Elantra Elite head-to-head. And it is now a comparison of which feature set you prefer, which SE is better at his or her service provided. And how comfortable you feel with either C&C or Komoco's sales tactics.
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Honestly, I liked the Optima K5 very much. I test drove it the moment it came in. I was waiting for the new model since Dec 2015. I didn't pay much attention to the Sonata then cos it was priced much higher. At least $10,000 more for the sunroof trim. The Optima K5 only had one trim and it was the equivalent to the sunroof trim. Even with the new model, there is only one trim level for the Optima and it still goes head to head with the sunroof model. But when I talked to my SE at Komoco, I realised that Komoco didn't mess around with guaranteed packages and COE rebate nonsense. They gave pretty high COE rebates, and was willing to bid higher than the current COE price at the point that I booked the car in late Mar 2016. In fact, they were willing to disclose how much they would bid and was fairly confident that they would get the COE. And that convinced me to go with them whereas at C&C side, there was a lot of uncertainty and I felt like they were gaming the customer. Of course my SE at C&C hinted strongly that I should get the guaranteed COE package. But the way they had non-guaranteed and guaranteed COE packages left a rather bad taste in my mouth. While Komoco also has a 6-bid non-guaranteed package, they didn't have a guaranteed one. So far in the Hyundai threads, most get their cars within 2 bid, barring any COE upsets.
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This is my experience and opinion after shopping around monitoring car prices and COE premiums for about 4 months. My dad was also buying a car then in Nov/Dec 2015. Now my sister is also looking to get another car. So together, we visited many dealerships, and almost all the mainstream car brands. Basically, all the Continental car brands don't play around with this COE rebate nonsense. They set car prices high enough and with sufficient margins to get their COEs without too much fuss. Some Jap dealerships do the same like Borneo Motors and Tan Chong. The two Korean car brands you know from above. Not sure about Mazda and Subaru cos didn't really discuss terms.
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The first screen after the digital speedometer shows the average FC for that tank of petrol you pump. You can set the trip computer to reset the mileage and fuel consumption every time you pump fuel. Then the average FC you see would be for that tank of petrol. It's pretty accurate.
Agree with u that K5 is a nice car but I dun really need a 2l car....and yes its seems�C&C non�guaranteed thingy sucks with�the way they up the price every 2 weeks is like chasing a moving target and only the guaranteed price is the real price. Well I guess if 6 bids doesn't work, its the last time I m dealing with them. There is lots of alternative choices and at worst I jus b a Uber customer hahaha,....
Advise needed. I had book a kia k3 SX model 6 non-guarantee bid after the Feb 2nd bidding. Currently, I'm left with 2 more bidding. Before the April 2nd bid my SE actually ask me to top up a 6k to switch to guarantee bid which I forgo this top up.
This morning I receive a msg from my SE asking me to top up a 7k to switch to 2 guarantee bid as I had only left with 2 bid if I don't want to top up I can choose to cancel my coe bidding immediately. So I told my SE that I still stick with the non guarantee bid as I had left with 2 more bidding only and I won't top up. But he message me telling me that he will release the car I reserved for sales. In the event of I manage to secure a COE in this 2 bids I will have to choose a new car. Can the SE just release the car which had been reserved and sign in the contract?
Lets say u hit the 91k, next week the next guy hit the 92k and then I hit the 93k and the next one hit
the 94k , all non guarantee and then all this while people pay 3 to 4k more than us on the guarantee package....dun think we will ever get the car, we r jus there to make the numbers...in case the COE crash(maybe drop a bit) they will consider selling it to us hahaha
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Yours considered used... so no resale value. $500 is pretty good. You can check out how much your Nexen tires cost at a tire shop. Won't be too far from the $500 with rims.
This is how AD do to make up the numbers. They just get in all the orders at lower price, with lower rebates, some times they will put in the bid for you, sometimes they don't. Anyway, you can always check during bidding how much they submitted your bid.
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This is a common tactic for AD. first they tie you with 6 non guarantee bid subsequently ask you to top up. Many buyers get caught and some eventually top up to guarantee bid. Imagine looking forward to your dream car and suddenly told to top up to stand a higher chance,......
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Buyers may want to reconsider their buying strategic, instead of going in when the price is high and opt for non guarantee bid, they may want you wait a little while, till the price is softer and go straigth for the guarantee bid.
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Yours considered used... so no resale value. $500 is pretty good. You can check out how much your Nexen tires cost at a tire shop. Won't be too far from the $500 with rims.
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Its considered used even changed on the first day? How good are the KIA 17" alloy rims as compared to Taiwan/replica rims?
If its more better to stay withe the Kia rims I might just change the NEXEN with better tyres.
Current COE system discourages.and disadvantage buyers from bidding for own COE. That's why dealers can insert unfair contract and buyers have to suck thumb.
No single buyer has the power to tell the dealer that they should remove such clause. However when an organization with a large order buys, do you think such clause will be accepted?
Not sure if it is possible or practical for individual buyers to group buy at present but if it happens, then things will be different.
Sorry bro I dun get it.. How does the COE system disadvantage buyers from bidding own COE? I tot if you have the money you can just deposit and bid COE yourself. That's what the dealers go through as well.
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My understanding is the difficulty individual face when buying cars if they bid COEs themselves..are that dealers usually dun accept such purchase which I guess..must have affected their profit margin...they wun wana open this flood gate..
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in this case I think the problem lies with the dealers..not COE process.
Yours considered used... so no resale value. $500 is pretty good. You can check out how much your Nexen tires cost at a tire shop. Won't be too far from the $500 with rims.
I checked with a few tyre shops before.. Korean tyres are worthless (ie the most 20-30 per pc)..few dealers will take in at good price..The only one that willing to take in because they can sell to PIs..and oso coz mine was almost brand new..just 1 day old on the road. Manage to slice off slightly more for my current CSC5.
Our COE system is complex from bidding to using it to buy the car. That's why almost everyone buys including COE and leave it to the dealer to bid COE.Sorry bro I dun get it.. How does the COE system disadvantage buyers from bidding own COE? I tot if you have the money you can just deposit and bid COE yourself. That's what the dealers go through as well.
My understanding is the difficulty individual face when buying cars if they bid COEs themselves..are that dealers usually dun accept such purchase which I guess..must have affected their profit margin...they wun wana open this flood gate..
in this case I think the problem lies with the dealers..not COE process.
I checked with a few tyre shops before.. Korean tyres are worthless (ie the most 20-30 per pc)..few dealers will take in at good price..The only one that willing to take in because they can sell to PIs..and oso coz mine was almost brand new..just 1 day old on the road. Manage to slice off slightly more for my current CSC5.
1. Firstly, validity is 3 months only so if you bid COE yourself, strenuous sure you can get the car of your choice before COE expires.
2. Do you have the time to monitor the price of COE bidding?
3. If you bid for COE and you cannot get the car of your choice, what do you do with the COE? It's not transferable.
4. Can you afford to pay cash for the COE as you cannot take a loan for it.
Current system make it more of a disadvantage to bid for your own COE.
Our COE system is complex from bidding to using it to buy the car. That's why almost everyone buys including COE and leave it to the dealer to bid COE.
1. Firstly, validity is 3 months only so if you bid COE yourself, strenuous sure you can get the car of your choice before COE expires.
2. Do you have the time to monitor the price of COE bidding?
3. If you bid for COE and you cannot get the car of your choice, what do you do with the COE? It's not transferable.
4. Can you afford to pay cash for the COE as you cannot take a loan for it.
Current system make it more of a disadvantage to bid for your own COE.
bro the problem you surface are what we all face..but these are our individual problems isn't it?
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1. Surely you know what you wana buy before you go ahead to start bidding isn't it? 3months is not short imo. Well..to some who cannot decide this may be subjective, but how to cater to everybody sia..
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2. Isn't this individual's problem? Cant link it to COE process.
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3. That depends on whether you hit the deal with the dealers isn't it? Again, isn't it the problem with the dealers I mentioned previously?
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4. This ruling is from MAS to reduce the amount of loan we people take. Not sure when they will lift this curb. If cannot afford to pay for the COE den dun buy in the first place. There are many alternatives beside bidding on your own for a new car. If really need a car, y not consider a used car instead.
Edited by Le_Dad, 28 April 2016 - 02:59 PM.
Do you agree that if there is no COE system, dealers would not be able to create the disadvantage for buyers.bro the problem you surface are what we all face..but these are our individual problems isn't it?
1. Surely you know what you wana buy before you go ahead to start bidding isn't it? 3months is not short imo. Well..to some who cannot decide this may be subjective, but how to cater to everybody sia..
2. Isn't this individual's problem? Cant link it to COE process.
3. That depends on whether you hit the deal with the dealers isn't it? Again, isn't it the problem with the dealers I mentioned previously?
4. This ruling is from MAS to reduce the amount of loan we people take. Not sure when they will lift this curb. If cannot afford to pay for the COE den dun buy in the first place. There are many alternatives beside bidding on your own for a new car. If really need a car, y not consider a used car instead.
Hence the root cause is the COE system.
Can we get back on the k3 topic?
Sure bro, no problem.. we are all free to speak..
Do you agree that if there is no COE system, dealers would not be able to create the disadvantage for buyers.
Hence the root cause is the COE system.
We will not be sure if there is no COE system, dealers will still find ways to create problems for buyers for their profits. If you ask me, my answer is dealers are the root cause working around systems. Ultimately, buyers are the ones forking out money.... so spend wisely.
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let's get back to the main topic...
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Depends on what u want and how much budget u have..
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For me..I quite like the rims but hate the tires..i changed out the nexen for CSC5 immediately after collection.If I have bigger budget I will consider changing to�black rims...
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Probably after 1-2yrs if i may wana change lighter rims just to refresh the look of my car and improve driving experience..go slow..keep your K3 passion going..
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My 5cts worth
Any bros please advice on the default Tyre size for SX, is it 215/45R17?
yes. stock size is 215/45/17
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I find the stock rims quite nice actually...
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to me..reasons to change to any other rims will be for aesthetics or to shave off some steering weight (better pickup lighter steering)... Stock alloy rims are heavy (stable on high speed)..
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Hope this helps
Edited by Kwoni, 28 April 2016 - 03:17 PM.
It doesn't make sense. Dealers in other countries without COE system do not have such advantages over buyers.Sure bro, no problem.. we are all free to speak..
We will not be sure if there is no COE system, dealers will still find ways to create problems for buyers for their profits. If you ask me, my answer is dealers are the root cause working around systems. Ultimately, buyers are the ones forking out money.... so spend wisely.
let's get back to the main topic...
Depends on what u want and how much budget u have..
For me..I quite like the rims but hate the tires..i changed out the nexen for CSC5 immediately after collection.If I have bigger budget I will consider changing to black rims...
so dealers here smarter than dealers in other countries or is it the COE system that is the cause?
It doesn't make sense. Dealers in other countries without COE system do not have such advantages over buyers.
so dealers here smarter than dealers in other countries or is it the COE system that is the cause?
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It make sense. The more disadvantageous it is for consumers, the more effective the coe system is working. Dont forget coe is there to deter ppl from buying car. And it is effective now because you are thinking more before buying.�
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Moving on, gr100 225/45r17 can fit on k3 17inch rims?
I think another factor is also demand and their stock. I got mine on a non-gauranteed on a first bid at 90,999.Agree with u that K5 is a nice car but I dun really need a 2l car....and yes its seems C&C non guaranteed thingy sucks with the way they up the price every 2 weeks is like chasing a moving target and only the guaranteed price is the real price. Well I guess if 6 bids doesn't work, its the last time I m dealing with them. There is lots of alternative choices and at worst I jus b a Uber customer hahaha,....
Lets say u hit the 91k, next week the next guy hit the 92k and then I hit the 93k and the next one hit
the 94k , all non guarantee and then all this while people pay 3 to 4k more than us on the guarantee package....dun think we will ever get the car, we r jus there to make the numbers...in case the COE crash(maybe drop a bit) they will consider selling it to us hahaha
Sure bro, no problem.. we are all free to speak..
We will not be sure if there is no COE system, dealers will still find ways to create problems for buyers for their profits. If you ask me, my answer is dealers are the root cause working around systems. Ultimately, buyers are the ones forking out money.... so spend wisely.
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let's get back to the main topic...
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Depends on what u want and how much budget u have..
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For me..I quite like the rims but hate the tires..i changed out the nexen for CSC5 immediately after collection.If I have bigger budget I will consider changing to�black rims...
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Probably after 1-2yrs if i may wana change lighter rims just to refresh the look of my car and improve driving experience..go slow..keep your K3 passion going..
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My 5cts worth
yes. stock size is 215/45/17
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I find the stock rims quite nice actually...
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to me..reasons to change to any other rims will be for aesthetics or to shave off some steering weight (better pickup lighter steering)... Stock alloy rims are heavy (stable on high speed)..
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Hope this helps
Thanks Bro Kwoni, I quite like the rim myself 
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But the tyres gotta change man... LOL�
Your response says that COE system give the advantage to dealers and that is exactly what I said all along.It make sense. The more disadvantageous it is for consumers, the more effective the coe system is working. Dont forget coe is there to deter ppl from buying car. And it is effective now because you are thinking more before buying.
Moving on, gr100 225/45r17 can fit on k3 17inch rims?
The COE system already limits the maximum number of cars allowed to be registered yearly. If the way it is implemented can be change to have a more level playing field between buyers and sellers, it will be a better system. Improvements is possible but don't expect it to be lobbied by the dealers sine they have the advantage currently. It can only happen if buyers demand it.
BTW 215 45 R17 is the correct size for K3.
225 will increase the diameter by 1.44%.
Your response says that COE system give the advantage to dealers and that is exactly what I said all along.
The COE system already limits the maximum number of cars allowed to be registered yearly. If the way it is implemented can be change to have a more level playing field between buyers and sellers, it will be a better system. Improvements is possible but don't expect it to be lobbied by the dealers sine they have the advantage currently. It can only happen if buyers demand it.
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As a buyer of coz i hate the COE system..why impose COE..why make life difficult for me... But look at it this way..SG is so small..if we dun restrict and make it harder to buy cars, there is no point buying cars coz you will be stucked in traffic jam everyday due to overpopulation of cars...try driving in KL�or Jakarta..�Bigger countries have no such problems..how to compare..
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And now we have dealers trying to work around systems to dig the most out of consumers for their own profits...these are the parties that cause the "problems"..
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If like u say there is a better system to make everybody happy without over�increasing the vehicle population, we would gladly hear it...currently i find the COE system pretty objective and transparent... we see what we bid...its the dealers who plays the game to their own benefits...not to forget..COE prices determined by bidders..not the system...
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Thanks Bro Kwoni, I quite like the rim myself
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But the tyres gotta change man... LOL�
I think the price difference shouldn't change much now and 1-2yrs later since its already used. If u love it, just keep and change the tyres.. change only when u really found something u like... make the best out of your bucks...after all what we want is to feel good and have a good ride when we are behind the wheels.
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As a buyer of coz i hate the COE system..why impose COE..why make life difficult for me... But look at it this way..SG is so small..if we dun restrict and make it harder to buy cars, there is no point buying cars coz you will be stucked in traffic jam everyday due to overpopulation of cars...try driving in KL�or Jakarta..�Bigger countries have no such problems..how to compare..
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And now we have dealers trying to work around systems to dig the most out of consumers for their own profits...these are the parties that cause the "problems"..
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If like u say there is a better system to make everybody happy without over�increasing the vehicle population, we would gladly hear it...currently i find the COE system pretty objective and transparent... we see what we bid...its the dealers who plays the game to their own benefits...not to forget..COE prices determined by bidders..not the system...
Agree
Dealers open business of course try all means to make more profit. After all they are not charity.
Ya...seems strange to moan about dealers making more money. Isn't all biz set up to maximise profits?Agree
Dealers open business of course try all means to make more profit. After all they are not charity.
Now we should talk about k3
I don't think dealer bidding for COE makes a huge difference. They are more rational and set their pricing based on what they think COE will be.
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You leave it up to individuals, what is stopping the rich guys from whacking 100k reserve price when they want to change car?
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Also, when your dealer bid say 40k for you and COE became 42k 5 minutes before closing, they won't change your bid anymore as they have already calculated the profit margins. Leave it up to individuals and it's likely you simply login to up your bid by another 3k to secure the COE. Many other people will do the same thing and end up the COE will increase even higher.
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For such bidding process, you may think individual bidding is better, but in actual fact it will create more chaos in the market. It is best to leave it to the smaller number of rational, biz minded dealers to do the bidding based on cold hard figures and margins.
Thanks for the reply bro.
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Its considered used even changed on the first day? How good are the KIA 17" alloy rims as compared to Taiwan/replica rims?
If its more better to stay withe the Kia rims I might just change the NEXEN with better tyres.
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Yes, even just one day also considered used. I ever asked for my Subaru Impreza original factory rims before. These were real proper alloy rims, the tire shop guys told me good, don't change, not worth, what they have costs several thousand dollars to fit to have equivalent quality, so I kept them in the end.
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Keep your rims. If it's factory fitted, it's good quality. If it's not, then maybe your third party rims are better. In all honesty, unless your rims cost $1000 a piece or so, are forged alloys, those so called alloy rims that are cheaper are just cosmetic...�
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The Nexen tires are decent lar... just a bit noisy I guess... I would just keep them for maybe 30,000 km and then change them lor... why waste...
Any bros please advice on the default Tyre size for SX, is it 215/45R17?
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Dude, whatever your car comes with is the default size. If you're driving the SX, you will already be on 17 inch rims.
The COE system - the way it is implemented, allowing dealers to bid for us by proxy - does allow the dealers to profiteer.
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It's quite easy to see the profiteering... I call it that... but of course it's just business...
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If you take the Kia Forte K3, current model, current trim and equipment levels, and then compare from last year to this year when the COE is super high to now COE stabilize around $45,000+, and then check SGcarmart for the base price of the car (OMV + ARF) and see the margin - you'll see that the margin gets smaller as the COE drops...
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Note that the cost of the car to the dealer (factoring currency fluctuations) does not vary too much, so the OMV & ARF is about the same for the same trim level and feature set. So this % margin that SGcarmart calculates is basically the profit earned by the dealer. You see that this just changes as the COE fluctuates. The margin should not change if only the COE value changes right? So why does the margin change? It's quite clear that they profiteer...
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Ok, the other perspective is this... from the dealer - as COE climbs sky high, there's less certainty of getting the COE since it keeps rising. So to ensure that they can get their COEs, they build a wider margin of profit and bid higher than the last time to get the COE. Furthermore, they need to pad each sale with a wider profit of margin when COE value is high cos volume of sales will drop drastically - there are basically fewer COEs to go around...
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So whether you think it's profiteering or there's good reason, the COE system as implemented now creates a level of uncertainty which gives rise to a lot suspicion and finger pointing lar...
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Some people have called for the COE value to be decoupled from the price of the car. This won't solve the problem cos the dealers will simply mark up their car price higher (without COE) to build their margin to get the COEs. Brand marques have greater freedom to mark up higher and hence only expensive cars will get COEs any way you cut it.
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Some have called for buyers to bid for their own COEs. This is also not feasible. It's quite troublesome and time-consuming. You need the $10,000 deposit to bid. Then you need to have internet banking (some are not savvy with this). And finally you have to activate processes to pay the whole sum in cash. What will happen is that other companies will spring up and just help you to bid for the COE on your behalf. And a whole new cottage industry will spring up and you replace one problem with another...
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So in other words, it discourages you from buying a car... that's the objective no???
Having a Dilemma here.
1) Should I change the 17" Alloy Kia Rims & tyres ORrrrrr .....
2) Keep the Alloy Rims and just change the Nexen tyres to a better one?
I think can keep the Kia rims since it's nice and new rims very ex if you get good ones. No point getting cheap rims and it does not bring up the car well. Just change the tyres to a good set.
It make sense. The more disadvantageous it is for consumers, the more effective the coe system is working. Dont forget coe is there to deter ppl from buying car. And it is effective now because you are thinking more before buying.
Moving on, gr100 225/45r17 can fit on k3 17inch rims?
Can fit. I'm using CSC5 , 225/45/17.
The COE system - the way it is implemented, allowing dealers to bid for us by proxy - does allow the dealers to profiteer.
It's quite easy to see the profiteering... I call it that... but of course it's just business...
If you take the Kia Forte K3, current model, current trim and equipment levels, and then compare from last year to this year when the COE is super high to now COE stabilize around $45,000+, and then check SGcarmart for the base price of the car (OMV + ARF) and see the margin - you'll see that the margin gets smaller as the COE drops...
Note that the cost of the car to the dealer (factoring currency fluctuations) does not vary too much, so the OMV & ARF is about the same for the same trim level and feature set. So this % margin that SGcarmart calculates is basically the profit earned by the dealer. You see that this just changes as the COE fluctuates. The margin should not change if only the COE value changes right? So why does the margin change? It's quite clear that they profiteer...
Ok, the other perspective is this... from the dealer - as COE climbs sky high, there's less certainty of getting the COE since it keeps rising. So to ensure that they can get their COEs, they build a wider margin of profit and bid higher than the last time to get the COE. Furthermore, they need to pad each sale with a wider profit of margin when COE value is high cos volume of sales will drop drastically - there are basically fewer COEs to go around...
So whether you think it's profiteering or there's good reason, the COE system as implemented now creates a level of uncertainty which gives rise to a lot suspicion and finger pointing lar...
Some people have called for the COE value to be decoupled from the price of the car. This won't solve the problem cos the dealers will simply mark up their car price higher (without COE) to build their margin to get the COEs. Brand marques have greater freedom to mark up higher and hence only expensive cars will get COEs any way you cut it.
Some have called for buyers to bid for their own COEs. This is also not feasible. It's quite troublesome and time-consuming. You need the $10,000 deposit to bid. Then you need to have internet banking (some are not savvy with this). And finally you have to activate processes to pay the whole sum in cash. What will happen is that other companies will spring up and just help you to bid for the COE on your behalf. And a whole new cottage industry will spring up and you replace one problem with another...
So in other words, it discourages you from buying a car... that's the objective no???
Can please discuss back on the car K3 here... You may set up a new thread called COE. The thing is you are living in Singapore and just have to accept the Coe system. Just buy it if you have money, if not don't buy. Or migrate to another country.
Haha. Ya set a new COE thread. Why think so much. Got more issue to worry like $400 HDB parking in future i read on news yesterday. What's on these people mind nowadays.Can fit. I'm using CSC5 , 225/45/17.
Can please discuss back on the car K3 here... You may set up a new thread called COE. The thing is you are living in Singapore and just have to accept the Coe system. Just buy it if you have money, if not don't buy. Or migrate to another country.
Haha. Ya set a new COE thread. Why think so much. Got more issue to worry like $400 HDB parking in future i read on news yesterday. What's on these people mind nowadays.
What $400 HDB parking bro?
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London Tokyo USA Mel all got surburbs where people stay in.. they dun stay in CBD n thus no need pay the high city parking.. my colleague stay in Mel , take train to & from work, but able to afford 2 cars for the family as all over non-city areas the car parking is free, car price is 1/5 SG price and petrol is cheaper.....�
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In SG, even our living area carpark is priced at city parking rates? Where is the logic??? Only to control the car population? There are other ways to control the car numbers, see if the govt dare to use or not la.... votes vs cars..... In SG, petrol already heavily taxed, road usage taxed, car price already taxed sky high, what else to tax? left car park only lo....�
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Squeeze n Squeeze... that's all pay and pay only knows how to control....
Moving on, gr100 225/45r17 can fit on k3 17inch rims?
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Year 2020 will see the roll out of the next gen ERP system. Its supposed to lighten your wallet further
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London Tokyo USA Mel all got surburbs where people stay in.. they dun stay in CBD n thus no need pay the high city parking.. my colleague stay in Mel , take train to & from work, but able to afford 2 cars for the family as all over non-city areas the car parking is free, car price is 1/5 SG price and petrol is cheaper.....�
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In SG, even our living area carpark is priced at city parking rates? Where is the logic??? Only to control the car population? There are other ways to control the car numbers, see if the govt dare to use or not la.... votes vs cars..... In SG, petrol already heavily taxed, road usage taxed, car price already taxed sky high, what else to tax? left car park only lo....�
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Year 2020 will see the roll out of the next gen ERP system. Its supposed to lighten your wallet further
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Waiting to see if they will charge once the car moves or only upon entering selected areas only, like right now....
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Then how do they take pics of the cars without cash card if entering ERP areas? Satellite pic or still have gantry cameras? Hmmm...
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But nothing to stop them from doing the former, if they want... Seems more like going in this direction...
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Any bros please advice on the default Tyre size for SX, is it 215/45R17?
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Seems like map licence expired? Call your SE lo..
Anyone has got problem too? I am unable to access my GPS anymore.
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Hi all my bro recently bought a K3 at price of $89999.00 (think is normal ex model) during car show last 2 week.�
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good deal man. 4 years free servicing is awesome.
Looking forward to see more K3s on the road...it is a nice car to have. Welcome your bro to the K3 owners club!Hi all my bro recently bought a K3 at price of $89999.00 (think is normal ex model) during car show last 2 week.
2 bid guarantee COE
solar flim
4 yrs free servicing ( labour and comsumable)
Car Camera
Option to top up 1 k for the Head unit think 2850 or something.
Am wondering whether is it a good price?
Looking forward to see more K3s on the road...it is a nice car to have. Welcome your bro to the K3 owners club!
Have been seeing many K3 on the road recently hehe.
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Have been seeing many K3 on the road recently hehe.
Will admire the DRL shape from far, glad i make the right choice
I'm also glad I made the right choice. FC quite consistent on 10.5km/L with mostly city driving. Moderate heavy foot. The stock car mats are lousy quality. Gonna custom made a set of good quality carpet mats.
Kia k3 FC a bit sian.
Ya... My friends Honda shuttle can get 15km/L.
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4 year free servicing super worth it... chao chao add up to around 2k...
Kia k3 FC a bit sian.
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If you drive 1000km a month, at 10km/L that is 100L of fuel. At 15km/L that is 66L of fuel.
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1000km per month is super low mileage.
Any recommendation on car mat? Thinking of getting 3m std at $175.I'm also glad I made the right choice. FC quite consistent on 10.5km/L with mostly city driving. Moderate heavy foot. The stock car mats are lousy quality. Gonna custom made a set of good quality carpet mats.
Yep. Vezel and shuttles FC are well known. 15 is very easy.15 km/L? See if that's a one off figure or a consistent figure? And what's the driving pattern like? Mainly highway? Driving in crowded peak hours or off-peak? What's your driving style compared to his? Exchange your car for a few days and you see if you can achieve his fuel consumption figures... maybe when you drive you get about the same as your K3 leh? Ha ha ha... cos the variable is your right foot and how heavy it is?
Same as curretn Mazda skyactiv.
15 is quite a norm to be honest.
I got mine at 155.Any recommendation on car mat? Thinking of getting 3m std at $175.
3m standard with 2 tones n heel pads
Wow good deal. Where u get?I got mine at 155.
3m standard with 2 tones n heel pads
Wow good deal. Where u get?
3M type is called coil mat which can get for only $55 from 3A car mats. Personally I don't like coil mats as its not classy and traps dirt and moisture. Car cabin will have a musky smell in time to come. I found the supplier that supplies car mats to C&C for our Kia. Ordered a set of premium quality carpet car mat which the material is those used in BMW / Lexus, thick carpet. For only $160.
If you prefer coil mats I can sell you mine? The set which SE gave me.
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actually what can we expect from this free servicing? free parts replacement too?
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I read b4 abt Lancer drivers complaining the high parts replacement charges when they were doing servicing, even my colleague driving GLX having same complain and went else where to do servicing after the 1 year period, as C&C technician kept telling him to change this and that, all in spite of the ride being less than a year old.
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Initially tot C&C chop carrot but later read somewhere that the technicians were only following their maintenance schedule, so all these part replacements were like specified by manufacturer, not sure if is true.
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So my question is, does something like this Kia free 4 years servicing including those replacement costs? Any bro here has any comment abt Kia servicing? Do they tell u to do replacement during servicing?
The free servicing not inclusive of replacement partsfree 4 years servicing?
actually what can we expect from this free servicing? free parts replacement too?
I read b4 abt Lancer drivers complaining the high parts replacement charges when they were doing servicing, even my colleague driving GLX having same complain and went else where to do servicing after the 1 year period, as C&C technician kept telling him to change this and that, all in spite of the ride being less than a year old.
Initially tot C&C chop carrot but later read somewhere that the technicians were only following their maintenance schedule, so all these part replacements were like specified by manufacturer, not sure if is true.
So my question is, does something like this Kia free 4 years servicing including those replacement costs? Any bro here has any comment abt Kia servicing? Do they tell u to do replacement during servicing?
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Option to top up 1 k for the Head unit think 2850 or something.
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Wow.. how did you get such deal? Did you trade in car??
Unlike tan chong.
For C&C. Have to pay for a lot of small extras. Like tire rotation etc.
After you have been a while with them, you find that it's not really free afterallKias (C&C) free servicing package Bo bar Kay one.
Unlike tan chong.
For C&C. Have to pay for a lot of small extras. Like tire rotation etc.
You've got to read the fine print lar... usually you get free parts and labour for the free servicing offered only if your car price is very high... you're paying for it... it's never free... so don't dream lar... unless they do special offers... once in a while you might snag a good offer. And the dealers already do a whole cost calculation... so there's no advantage really if you think you can get a better offer... their margins are fixed and so are their freebie offers...
3M type is called coil mat which can get for only $55 from 3A car mats. Personally I don't like coil mats as its not classy and traps dirt and moisture. Car cabin will have a musky smell in time to come. I found the supplier that supplies car mats to C&C for our Kia. Ordered a set of premium quality carpet car mat which the material is those used in BMW / Lexus, thick carpet. For only $160.
If you prefer coil mats I can sell you mine? The set which SE gave me.
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Can PM me the contact? Would like to have a go at better quality car mats... will they do custom mats and with all the branding stitching?
Then guys, any recommended place to do servicing/repair for our ride?
Then guys, any recommended place to do servicing/repair for our ride?
You not going to C&C anymore ? How old is your ride? The Korean car specialist is harmony motors. But don't think they are equipped with the skills and equipments for service newer cars nowadays with lots of electronics gadgets. And normally these workshops will dirty your leather seats, steering wheel, car mats etc as the mechanic has full of grease on their body. For me I stick to C&C for a better peace of mind. Don't have to think much and leave the car to them. 3rd party workshops don't reccomend things or they don't even know. Normally they wot until it breaks down. Anyway C&C is not too ex with the 2 years Kia Care Plan.
Any bro or sis staying at geylang Bahru ? Been seeing a number of K3s here.
You not going to C&C anymore ? How old is your ride? The Korean car specialist is harmony motors. But don't think they are equipped with the skills and equipments for service newer cars nowadays with lots of electronics gadgets. And normally these workshops will dirty your leather seats, steering wheel, car mats etc as the mechanic has full of grease on their body. For me I stick to C&C for a better peace of mind. Don't have to think much and leave the car to them. 3rd party workshops don't reccomend things or they don't even know. Normally they wot until it breaks down. Anyway C&C is not too ex with the 2 years Kia Care Plan...
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Service at C&C with peace of mind. Probably pay a bit more, take it like buying insurance for the car lor. I wouldn't mind paying more. Anyway they have a set of checklist to follow for servicing, you can look at it at the back of our service report paper.
How much they charge for that 2 years Kia Care?
mine only 3 mth but am looking for other alternatives.
how long hv u been doing servicing with them? Do they tell u hv to replace whatever parts during servicing and costs a bomb?
Edit: google liao saw they charge $855 for the Care Plan, not like exorbitant at all, the only question is will they demand me to replace chargeable parts when i visit them?
I paid $1000 for 2 years 4 servicing package. Original price $1251. And plus 15% off parts replacement, aircon filter etc. parts won't cost a bomb, similar price to outside workshops. They won't demand you to replace parts but reccomend. You can reject. But if they reccomend replace brake pads or battery etc there must be a problem and need to replace. You can question and ask them to show u what's wrong.
Nowadays many electronics components in our new car, worry outside do not know how to repair, worst still, further damage it.
Service at C&C with peace of mind. Probably pay a bit more, take it like buying insurance for the car lor. I wouldn't mind paying more. Anyway they have a set of checklist to follow for servicing, you can look at it at the back of our service report paper.
Ya agree with you. Outside workshops are not electronic trained but they are more skilled on older mechanical cars. They don't know what to do or what's wrong in the event of some electronics error like the electronic power steering (no longer those using power steering fluid), and might further damage it. Or if the electronic seat or push button start faulty. Don't forgo the warranty. These electronic repairs are not cheap. Electronic power steering costs min $3k to replace.
thanks guys, I was thinking the same thing too, so long they dun treat me like a big fat carrot I wouldnt mind to pay a bit more servicing fee for the sake of warranty; btw stupid me I saw servicing costs for cerato forte instead, just noticed is 1k for k3.
I bought my parents a Kia Rio many years ago and helped them pay everything.I paid $1000 for 2 years 4 servicing package. Original price $1251. And plus 15% off parts replacement, aircon filter etc. parts won't cost a bomb, similar price to outside workshops. They won't demand you to replace parts but reccomend. You can reject. But if they reccomend replace brake pads or battery etc there must be a problem and need to replace. You can question and ask them to show u what's wrong.
C&C told me to change the amaron car batt at 1 year old.
I tahan until 2 years 2 months then change .
U can say I'm lucky?
The same thing repeat again for another cycle.
So twice, they told me to change the amaron battery at 1 year. And twice I tahan till 2 years+ then change. And the batteries still going strong BTW. No signs of flat
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I bought my parents a Kia Rio many years ago and helped them pay everything.
C&C told me to change the amaron car batt at 1 year old.
I tahan until 2 years 2 months then change .
U can say I'm lucky?
The same thing repeat again for another cycle.
So twice, they told me to change the amaron battery at 1 year. And twice I tahan till 2 years+ then change. And the batteries still going strong BTW. No signs of flat
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haha 1 year change a bit too fast already. Usually can last 2 years. Nowadays we got dash cam installed, life span also shorter. But 2 years shouldn't be a problem for battery.
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Anyway Battery can change outside workshop, should not void warranty. Mechanics will use volt meter to test the health of the battery before deciding to change or not. Usually every 2 years I will change battery no matter what.
thanks guys, I was thinking the same thing too, so long they dun treat me like a big fat carrot I wouldnt mind to pay a bit more servicing fee for the sake of warranty; btw stupid me I saw servicing costs for cerato forte instead, just noticed is 1k for k3.
Many people have the wrong impression of AD charges for cars maintenance. Those are not car lovers. Every cent they spent on car is a pain. I changed the aircon filter every servicing although reccomended is every 20k km. Just imagine not cleaning your house aircon filter for 1 year / 20,000km. AD are cars lovers like us and will reccomend replacement parts once they find that it's time. If you don't feel like it can always reject the quotation.
I bought my parents a Kia Rio many years ago and helped them pay everything.
C&C told me to change the amaron car batt at 1 year old.
I tahan until 2 years 2 months then change .
U can say I'm lucky?
The same thing repeat again for another cycle.
So twice, they told me to change the amaron battery at 1 year. And twice I tahan till 2 years+ then change. And the batteries still going strong BTW. No signs of flat
Voltmeter is used to test the Heath of a battery. And if the ampere Ca drops the battery needs to be replaced because it can no longer hold charge as good as a new battery. I guess you start your car everyday that's why no signs of flat. If the car is started only once every 3-5 days then high chance it won't be able to crank because that battery cannot hold as much charge as a new battery.
Just like a battery in an iPhone that cannot hold charge. If we keep charging it every now and then we won't feel that the battery is weak. But if we used the phone for the whole day without charging, it will drain faster than a healthy battery.
Hope this explains.
How you know outside ws dun know how to repair? Have you even search around?Nowadays many electronics components in our new car, worry outside do not know how to repair, worst still, further damage it.
Service at C&C with peace of mind. Probably pay a bit more, take it like buying insurance for the car lor. I wouldn't mind paying more. Anyway they have a set of checklist to follow for servicing, you can look at it at the back of our service report paper.
You are clever. AD always like to ask people change this change that. What for waste money change something that is working well?I bought my parents a Kia Rio many years ago and helped them pay everything.
C&C told me to change the amaron car batt at 1 year old.
I tahan until 2 years 2 months then change .
U can say I'm lucky?
The same thing repeat again for another cycle.
So twice, they told me to change the amaron battery at 1 year. And twice I tahan till 2 years+ then change. And the batteries still going strong BTW. No signs of flat
Agents are not car lovers. They are running a business to make money.Many people have the wrong impression of AD charges for cars maintenance. Those are not car lovers. Every cent they spent on car is a pain. I changed the aircon filter every servicing although reccomended is every 20k km. Just imagine not cleaning your house aircon filter for 1 year / 20,000km. AD are cars lovers like us and will reccomend replacement parts once they find that it's time. If you don't feel like it can always reject the quotation.
haha 1 year change a bit too fast already. Usually can last 2 years. Nowadays we got dash cam installed, life span also shorter. But 2 years shouldn't be a problem for battery.
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Anyway Battery can change outside workshop, should not void warranty. Mechanics will use volt meter to test the health of the battery before deciding to change or not. Usually every 2 years I will change battery no matter what
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Really depends. Some people drive only once in a few days and distance is so little it hardly charge the battery. My battery last average 2 years, I drive everyday and quite alot are highway driving east to west. If you normally just drive city driving and short distance, chance of battery lasting past 1.5yr mark is much more slimmer.
Ya agree with you. Outside workshops are not electronic trained but they are more skilled on older mechanical cars. They don't know what to do or what's wrong in the event of some electronics error like the electronic power steering (no longer those using power steering fluid), and might further damage it. Or if the electronic seat or push button start faulty. Don't forgo the warranty. These electronic repairs are not cheap. Electronic power steering costs min $3k to replace.
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Must see if that workshop has obi scanner to detect the fault in the 1st place. There are workshops outside that has these and have the expertise fixing the cars. As long as you never go mod anything silly with electronics it will not really screwup the 1st 5 yrs.
Then have you search around? Do you have any ws that you want to share with everyone here? Which ws you go?How you know outside ws dun know how to repair? Have you even search around?
You are clever. AD always like to ask people change this change that. What for waste money change something that is working well?
Agents are not car lovers. They are running a business to make money.
Try Reiverview Auto. According to the website, specialist in conti and asian cars.
Then have you search around? Do you have any ws that you want to share with everyone here? Which ws you go?
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Ya agree with you. Outside workshops are not electronic trained but they are more skilled on older mechanical cars. They don't know what to do or what's wrong in the event of some electronics error like the electronic power steering (no longer those using power steering fluid), and might further damage it. Or if the electronic seat or push button start faulty. Don't forgo the warranty. These electronic repairs are not cheap. Electronic power steering costs min $3k to replace.
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Bro... don't get conned by the ADs who say that the workshops outside don't have the necessary equipment to repair the faults, especially electronic... I have a mobile mechanic, he works out of a lorry, he comes to your place to repair every and anything. And he has a diagnostic computer that he plugs in and then selects your car brand and model, and the computer runs the diagnostics and it then tells him what is wrong. He identifies the part number from the computer and then goes out to buy what he needs or he will get a reconditioned part if yours is an old car. All workshops have these computers... I repeat again, all workshops... if you want to know, just drop by any workshop, ask them if they can repair your car, ask them to show you... tell them that if you are satisfied, you will use them. Just drop by Sin Ming area, Ubi, Toh Guan, the usual places with lots of car workshops... these people earn a living by knowing how to fix stuff... if they can only fix old mechanical cars, then they would have closed down long ago... even your car that is 10-20 years old are controlled by a computer chip - the ECU. My Impreza is AWD, and the last repair I carried out before I scrapped the car (repaired in Feb 2016) was to replace to a controller chip on my gearbox for the splitting of power from the central gearbox to the front or rear wheels. I didn't even know it was electronically controlled until then. BTW, my car was made in 2007.
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Get real, save some money... simple servicing just do it outside... change oil and filter only... how difficult is that? I can do it too with the right tools... I even do my servicing in M'sia... hahaha... never go back to my mech for simple servicing, just see him for repairs when the car has major wear and tear replacements - like drive shafts, shock bushings, engine mounts, differential gearbox...
Mobile mech? interesting. How to contact him?
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Call lar of course...
Can I have his number?Call lar of course...
Can I have his number?
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Sorry... I don't make recommendations for this mechanic to people I don't know... hope you understand... he doesn't work like that...
Bro... don't get conned by the ADs who say that the workshops outside don't have the necessary equipment to repair the faults, especially electronic... I have a mobile mechanic, he works out of a lorry, he comes to your place to repair every and anything. And he has a diagnostic computer that he plugs in and then selects your car brand and model, and the computer runs the diagnostics and it then tells him what is wrong. He identifies the part number from the computer and then goes out to buy what he needs or he will get a reconditioned part if yours is an old car. All workshops have these computers... I repeat again, all workshops... if you want to know, just drop by any workshop, ask them if they can repair your car, ask them to show you... tell them that if you are satisfied, you will use them. Just drop by Sin Ming area, Ubi, Toh Guan, the usual places with lots of car workshops... these people earn a living by knowing how to fix stuff... if they can only fix old mechanical cars, then they would have closed down long ago... even your car that is 10-20 years old are controlled by a computer chip - the ECU. My Impreza is AWD, and the last repair I carried out before I scrapped the car (repaired in Feb 2016) was to replace to a controller chip on my gearbox for the splitting of power from the central gearbox to the front or rear wheels. I didn't even know it was electronically controlled until then. BTW, my car was made in 2007.
Get real, save some money... simple servicing just do it outside... change oil and filter only... how difficult is that? I can do it too with the right tools... I even do my servicing in M'sia... hahaha... never go back to my mech for simple servicing, just see him for repairs when the car has major wear and tear replacements - like drive shafts, shock bushings, engine mounts, differential gearbox...
Anyway outside workshop are not cheap too and they might give the wrong diagnosis and repair, and used OEM parts. Anyway why void your warranty just for sake of saving some pennies on servicing?
Try Reiverview Auto. According to the website, specialist in conti and asian cars.
River view specializes in wheel alignment only. Other jobs are master of none.
How you know outside ws dun know how to repair? Have you even search around?
You are clever. AD always like to ask people change this change that. What for waste money change something that is working well?
Agents are not car lovers. They are running a business to make money.
AD's core business is to sell cars and not concentrate on their workshop business. K3 is only launched for 3 years and not many drivers services it at outside workshops. So they do not have the experience. If u go u become their white mouse. It depends on each individual's mindset. Whether to replace parts before it breaks down or to wait for it to breakdown.
Their neighbour Kenny wheel alignment is the master. Maybe they learn from himAnyway outside workshop are not cheap too and they might give the wrong diagnosis and repair, and used OEM parts. Anyway why void your warranty just for sake of saving some pennies on servicing?
River view specializes in wheel alignment only. Other jobs are master of none.
Anyway outside workshop are not cheap too and they might give the wrong diagnosis and repair, and used OEM parts. Anyway why void your warranty just for sake of saving some pennies on servicing?
River view specializes in wheel alignment only. Other jobs are master of none.
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I beg to differ... outside workshops are like half the cost of the ADs workshops... they don't use OEM parts... please... where did you get all these from??? They will use original parts if you instruct them to do so... you can even get the parts yourself from stockist... and whether it's a new car or old car, new model or old model, they can fix it... cars don't change significantly from model to model unless there's a radical platform change like what VW did with their MQB platform. But most cars use the iterative platforms until time for a major refresh... it's not like how you paint it lar....
I beg to differ... outside workshops are like half the cost of the ADs workshops... they don't use OEM parts... please... where did you get all these from??? They will use original parts if you instruct them to do so... you can even get the parts yourself from stockist... and whether it's a new car or old car, new model or old model, they can fix it... cars don't change significantly from model to model unless there's a radical platform change like what VW did with their MQB platform. But most cars use the iterative platforms until time for a major refresh... it's not like how you paint it lar....
Just let you know my friend work in one of the stockist. The parts are OEM but they packed with Kia wrappers and Kia Genuine Logo box. You will never know which parts are original, unless you know how to inspect. Anyway it's individual's choice to save money. For me I rather not save this kinda money otherwise I'll not drive.
Really? We have heard stories of friends etc....why not you let us know the stockist name? If what you say is true, please help by sharingJust let you know my friend work in one of the stockist. The parts are OEM but they packed with Kia wrappers and Kia Genuine Logo box. You will never know which parts are original, unless you know how to inspect. Anyway it's individual's choice to save money. For me I rather not save this kinda money otherwise I'll not drive.
Just let you know my friend work in one of the stockist. The parts are OEM but they packed with Kia wrappers and Kia Genuine Logo box. You will never know which parts are original, unless you know how to inspect. Anyway it's individual's choice to save money. For me I rather not save this kinda money otherwise I'll not drive.
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Song Yi & Min Ghee are reputable Kia & Hyundai stockists amongst other brands... they have been around for years... I used their parts at Komoco during my 5000 or 10,000 km servicing for the previous Elantra and also at Motorimage for my Impreza... if they really do this, you think Komoco won't take action against them? The reality is that there are many companies that bring in parts for the authorised dealers. In fact, these are the ones who are the authorised spare parts dealers in Singapore... you can look up their websites... in fact Sgcarmart or Mycarforum has a list of companies that stock genuine car parts for most brands... you've got to get the facts right bro... you've quite obviously never bought parts from a stockist before... I have had the opportunity to compare the new part from Komoco and the new part from the stockist... same weight - it was an oil filter. The weight indicates how dense the filter element is. Cheap knockoffs are much lighter as they use much less dense elements as the filter.
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And my mechanic who has been in the business all his life has never said anything about knockoffs... he knows the trade and my dad has used him for years... he's always buying parts for our cars from stockists... his own dealers whom he knows lar...
Good choice, dun give to Forte3737.Sorry... I don't make recommendations for this mechanic to people I don't know... hope you understand... he doesn't work like that...
To each his own lar...you type a thousand words and he will tell you stockist sell fake parts. I ask him to name that stockist. Usually these type of people just hearsay and come here talk big give wrong infoSong Yi & Min Ghee are reputable Kia & Hyundai stockists amongst other brands... they have been around for years... I used their parts at Komoco during my 5000 or 10,000 km servicing for the previous Elantra and also at Motorimage for my Impreza... if they really do this, you think Komoco won't take action against them? The reality is that there are many companies that bring in parts for the authorised dealers. In fact, these are the ones who are the authorised spare parts dealers in Singapore... you can look up their websites... in fact Sgcarmart or Mycarforum has a list of companies that stock genuine car parts for most brands... you've got to get the facts right bro... you've quite obviously never bought parts from a stockist before... I have had the opportunity to compare the new part from Komoco and the new part from the stockist... same weight - it was an oil filter. The weight indicates how dense the filter element is. Cheap knockoffs are much lighter as they use much less dense elements as the filter.
And my mechanic who has been in the business all his life has never said anything about knockoffs... he knows the trade and my dad has used him for years... he's always buying parts for our cars from stockists... his own dealers whom he knows lar...
Good. Dun give in to komoco when they tell you to overhaul engine in 4 years timeGood choice, dun give to Forte3737.
Really? We have heard stories of friends etc....why not you let us know the stockist name? If what you say is true, please help by sharing
You know how to inspect parts?
Song Yi & Min Ghee are reputable Kia & Hyundai stockists amongst other brands... they have been around for years... I used their parts at Komoco during my 5000 or 10,000 km servicing for the previous Elantra and also at Motorimage for my Impreza... if they really do this, you think Komoco won't take action against them? The reality is that there are many companies that bring in parts for the authorised dealers. In fact, these are the ones who are the authorised spare parts dealers in Singapore... you can look up their websites... in fact Sgcarmart or Mycarforum has a list of companies that stock genuine car parts for most brands... you've got to get the facts right bro... you've quite obviously never bought parts from a stockist before... I have had the opportunity to compare the new part from Komoco and the new part from the stockist... same weight - it was an oil filter. The weight indicates how dense the filter element is. Cheap knockoffs are much lighter as they use much less dense elements as the filter.
And my mechanic who has been in the business all his life has never said anything about knockoffs... he knows the trade and my dad has used him for years... he's always buying parts for our cars from stockists... his own dealers whom he knows lar...
I didn't mentioned it's Song Yi and Min Ghee. I always buy parts from Min Ghee. Back to the point of servicing at 3rd party workshops. So u have to ensure that they take parts from Min Ghee, but I can tell u seldom workshops take parts from Min Ghee as they are costly.
To each his own lar...you type a thousand words and he will tell you stockist sell fake parts. I ask him to name that stockist. Usually these type of people just hearsay and come here talk big give wrong info
Good. Dun give in to komoco when they tell you to overhaul engine in 4 years time
Haha even if I named do u know how to inspect the parts? Listeners can choose not to believe and go according to what u think is right. Info just for sharing and I don't think it's necessary to provide references to what I said.
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Kias (C&C) free servicing package Bo bar Kay one.
Unlike tan chong.
For C&C. Have to pay for a lot of small extras. Like tire rotation etc.
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Agree. I used the 1K servicing credit to buy a servicing package. End up even with the package, still have quite a few misc charges that can add up to quite bit. Felt cheated.
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Can I join on the next Gathering ??
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hi! its just the stretch of road in between the floating platform and the esplanade. not really a carpark although there are many cars there haha
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sure! there is a SGK3 group on facebook, you can search for that and next time we arrange for a gathering we will probably post there.
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Bro coolpica, bring your own parts lor... they're usually ok with that mah.. saves them time to buy the parts too.
I didn't want to go to outside workshops. Just try to share that some workshops don't use original parts. I ever brought my own O2 sensor and end up workshop charged $80 for labour. They didn't managed to earn from the parts and therefore marked up on labour charges.
Nice pics !!!some shots from today's small gathering
I use for wallpaper hahaha
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