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A breach of SOP.. resulted in the loss of 2 young lives ... sad :(
The train captain must be extremely traumatised. Hope he can eventually reconcile with this experience and find emotional peace.
The "experience" engineer is at fault if he did not coordinate with the Signal unit.
Which SOP breached?A breach of SOP.. resulted in the loss of 2 young lives ... sad :(
Which SOP breached?
- Before the team is allowed to step back on to the trackway, the following procedure must be carried out: The team must coordinate with the Signal unit at the station for oncoming trains to be brought to a stop and to ensure that no trains enter the affected sector. Our records do not show that this procedure took place.
Looks like they never coordinate with the signal unit before going on the tracks.
A breach of SOP.. resulted in the loss of 2 young lives ... sad :(
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Did he become a citizen after Singapore independent or when Singapore independent?
From your extract. Look like there is a bleach of protocol by station master.
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Hmm it seems they were given authorisation to walk on the maintenance path. Then they are supposed to notify the station when they step onto the track, but no such comms was given?
That's my interpretation. So not sure if they tried but no comms, or the team on the maintenance path never signal the station.
Khaw Boon Wan demonstrates his flagrant incompetence with spectacular misfire on his FB page.
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Accidents can happen anytime anywhere in construction sites and on roads too - and of late trending is taking Selfies too . the tube in London is 150 years old so also is the subway in NY too over 100 years old and the HK MTR is slightly older than ours - it's a learning process
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Yes accidents does happen. It's a very expensive lesson paid by the lives of 2 young man.
this is getting confusing. So they enter the track to start work or just to cross over to the other side?
Looks like they never coordinate with the signal unit before going on the tracks.
- Before the team is allowed to step back on to the trackway, the following procedure must be carried out: The team must coordinate with the Signal unit at the station for oncoming trains to be brought to a stop and to ensure that no trains enter the affected sector. Our records do not show that this procedure took place.
If only crossing over, isn't it easy to see a train approaching.
Why only the trainee on track that got hit ? They are young and abled body.
Yesterday news said they are still walking on the walkway towards the warning signal area.
Hmm it seems they were given authorisation to walk on the maintenance path. Then they are supposed to notify the station when they step onto the track, but no such comms was given?
That's my interpretation. So not sure if they tried but no comms, or the team on the maintenance path never signal the station.
Could it not also be that the station didn't signal the train?
Could it not also be that the station didn't signal the train?
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I dunno why the trains are also not signalled when there are already people walking on the maintenance pathway. Seems like logical step would have been to alert the trains once anyone is on the tracks/path
this is getting confusing. So they enter the track to start work or just to cross over to the other side?
If only crossing over, isn't it easy to see a train approaching.
Why only the trainee on track that got hit ? They are young and abled body.
Yesterday news said they are still walking on the walkway towards the warning signal area.
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Pasir ris is an end station, so the train can enter in at either A/B side. Maybe that played a role? The team thought the train was going one way, but actually it came towards them?
what i can say is a very unfortunate accident caused by several contributing factors ...
Edited by Wt_know, 23 March 2016 - 08:40 PM.
I think�not the main reason�that the SMRT system is designed 30 years ago lor. Cause many train system around the world even much older than our system, and yet they might not have so many issues and problems that SMRT is now facing.
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It's the increase in the train capacity within a single line, so they have reached the max number of trains the system able to handle.
Thus any issue have to be resolved asap rather than till safe to inspect in the night. It created the situation and need to take immediate action. Carrying such inspection only increase the risk, however is not the actual cause of the incident.
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Of course we would not know what's the actual cause only after the investigation, which is likely the main contributing factor.
Then hopefully SMRT will implement the right rule to eliminate anymore similar incidents.
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- Before the team is allowed to step back on to the trackway, the following procedure must be carried out: The team must coordinate with the Signal unit at the station for oncoming trains to be brought to a stop and to ensure that no trains enter the affected sector. Our records do not show that this procedure took place.
Looks like they never coordinate with the signal unit before going on the tracks.
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So that is the loophole.
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Why do I think the team must be behind a locked door, until such coordination is approved and the door unlocked by someone else ?
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Rushing to do a job, bypassing procedures should not be allowed to happen.
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Maybe in the future the door can only be unlock by the station master after checking clear.So that is the loophole.
Why do I think the team must be behind a locked door, until such coordination is approved and the door unlocked by someone else ?
Rushing to do a job, bypassing procedures should not be allowed to happen.
Edited by Joseph22, 23 March 2016 - 09:21 PM.
So that is the loophole.
Why do I think the team must be behind a locked door, until such coordination is approved and the door unlocked by someone else ?
Rushing to do a job, bypassing procedures should not be allowed to happen.
Because if no action taken. Train down.
Commuter will start to complain again...
Because if no action taken. Train down.
Commuter will start to complain again...
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That would be the wrong priority for customer complains to supersede safety.
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Afterall, just implement a safer protocol doesn't cost much time.
It may be a frustration, but it save your life.
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I'm sure there are more "loopholes" to be found.
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It's whether they want to do it or not.
Or wait till the next deaths or serious injuries to occur.
I dunno why the trains are also not signalled when there are already people walking on the maintenance pathway. Seems like logical step would have been to alert the trains once anyone is on the tracks/path
Pasir ris is an end station, so the train can enter in at either A/B side. Maybe that played a role? The team thought the train was going one way, but actually it came towards them?
Or they may have thought that station control would have followed sop and instructed train to head away from them towards the other track. I think the fact that the train was on auto-pilot is something not right when people are doing inspection along the track.
Hope they come up with what actually caused the accident and come clean with it.
Doctor who?Doctor very clever.
Or they may have thought that station control would have followed sop and instructed train to head away from them towards the other track. I think the fact that the train was on auto-pilot is something not right when people are doing inspection along the track.
Hope they come up with what actually caused the accident and come clean with it.
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They will come clean one.. don't worry... and the management will always say the bottom didn't follow SOP ...
Management always no fault one, cos they won't have any chance to follow the SOP�as they always sit inside office ...
so this action is inherently risky and thank God nothing has happened so far. �
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this is a forum for people to discuss. period.�
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This clearly reflects what kinda person you are. Period.
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I wouldn't suggest someone to tell the aggrieved parent anything. I would rather give them peace and leave them alone.
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What I was trying to say is not to cause unneccessary alarm as it is not helping anyone. Your comments speak for itself.
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Yes wrong priorirty because SMRT had been politize. The moment a small delay only you see people like GMS and GG come out and shoot.That would be the wrong priority for customer complains to supersede safety.
Afterall, just implement a safer protocol doesn't cost much time.
It may be a frustration, but it save your life.
I'm sure there are more "loopholes" to be found.
It's whether they want to do it or not.
Or wait till the next deaths or serious injuries to occur.
Each level have their own set of SOP.They will come clean one.. don't worry... and the management will always say the bottom didn't follow SOP ...
Management always no fault one, cos they won't have any chance to follow the SOP as they always sit inside office ...
Most of the time ground level staff don't understand why the SOP is build in a certain way hence always bleached it happen in every company.
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How did the accident happen?
SMRT's findings showed that the team was moving in a single file on the walkway beside the track, towards the servicing point.
A supervisor was at the head of the line and the two deceased were directly behind him.
The rest of the team was following behind.
The team was walking in the opposite direction of the oncoming train that was heading towards Pasir Ris station.
It is not known how the two men got on the track or got close enough to the train.
- See more at: http://news.asiaone....h.QH8Qe6By.dpuf
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Is this logical at all?
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The other 13 people around were looking at the scenery instead?
So it's a problem with supervision and execution ?
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Most of the time ground level staff don't understand why the SOP is build in a certain way hence always bleached it happen in every company.
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Is this logical at all?
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The other 13 people around were looking at the scenery instead?
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Depend actually. Most of the time is individual. But the implication is larger if it's a supervisory or management person who bleach.So it's a problem with supervision and execution ?
Like for this instance, be it the Supervisor or the station controller that bleach, the impact is the people below who suffer.
Maybe too fast to issue press release and investigation wasn't complete.Is this logical at all?
The other 13 people around were looking at the scenery instead?
Edited by Joseph22, 24 March 2016 - 09:56 AM.
Most of the time ground level staff don't understand why the SOP is build in a certain way hence always bleached it happen in every company.
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Yep. This one happens every where. Even in NS also. Alot of people don't understand the reason for the SOP and feel it is a waste of time. Many like to take shortcuts and if nothing happens, they think that they have just saved some time/effort. They only realise why the SOP is so important when something happens. Then if supervisor very strict on the SOP, some people not happy, think that the supervisor is picking on them. Supervisor close one eye, something happen, then supervisor's fault.
That's why when sometime a peers got promoted. Sometime we say he change ever since he become management. But the truth is, he didn't change. It's just that suddenly he was given a bigger view due to his higher post result in him having greater understanding on why certain things are done in a certain way.Yep. This one happens every where. Even in NS also. Alot of people don't understand the reason for the SOP and feel it is a waste of time. Many like to take shortcuts and if nothing happens, they think that they have just saved some time/effort. They only realise why the SOP is so important when something happens. Then if supervisor very strict on the SOP, some people not happy, think that the supervisor is picking on them. Supervisor close one eye, something happen, then supervisor's fault.
So the supervisory or management person has no responsibility for lack of execution or supervision, unless they themselves bleach ?
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Depend actually. Most of the time is individual. But the implication is larger if it's a supervisory or management person who bleach.
Like for this instance, be it the Supervisor or the station controller that bleach, the impact is the people below who suffer.
Maybe too fast to issue press release and investigation wasn't complete.
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That's why when sometime a peers got promoted. Sometime we say he change ever since he become management. But the truth is, he didn't change. It's just that suddenly he was given a bigger view due to his higher post result in him having greater understanding on why certain things are done in a certain way.
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So the supervisory or management person has no responsibility for lack of execution or supervision, unless they themselves bleach ?
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If the supervisor or management person never constantly remind or rectify breaches happening under him, he's also culpable. But of course it's harder to prove this as it's consider part of his routine.
That's why in SAF, there's the designated safety officer who's only task is to maintain safety.
I dunno why the trains are also not signalled when there are already people walking on the maintenance pathway. Seems like logical step would have been to alert the trains once anyone is on the tracks/path
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Pasir ris is an end station, so the train can enter in at either A/B side. Maybe that played a role? The team thought the train was going one way, but actually it came towards them?
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Ya... Maybe.
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Cos witness mentioned that she heard shouts and waving at the train as if asking it to stop like that.� And another witness mentioned that he heard someone shouted Oi Oi Oi
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But the truth will be out, they cannot hide cos one of the deceased's father and brother are working at the SMRT too.�
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It really depend. Like what Lala mention, if he know of breach and yet didn't bother to rectify. There are cases which bleach happen but no one know about the breach. We all are working adult, we are well aware that we can breach some policy without anyone notice.So the supervisory or management person has no responsibility for lack of execution or supervision, unless they themselves bleach ?
Edited by Joseph22, 24 March 2016 - 10:44 AM.
It really depend. Like what Lala mention, if he know of bleach and yet didn't bother to rectify. There are cases which bleach happen but no one know about the bleach. We all are working adult, we are well aware that we can bleach some policy without anyone notice.
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SAF motto? Can do anything, just don't get caught?
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Yeah. You got it.SAF motto? Can do anything, just don't get caught?
side note: no bleach, dishwashing detergent also can
Alamak didn't change fast enough kenna found out. Lol.
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track inspection, saw style
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despite Saw the civilian's gross incompetence, no staff ever died under her watch, after general Desmond brought his SAF culture into MRT, 2 men died under his watch
despite Saw the civilian's gross incompetence, no staff ever died under her watch, after general Desmond brought his SAF culture into MRT, 2 men died under his watch
It is the�first time SMRT has such a serious incidence?
It is the�first time SMRT has such a serious incidence?
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yes! �no deaths SInce operation in 1987
yes! �no deaths SInce operation in 1987
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see, run by civilian boh taiji
yes! �no deaths SInce operation in 1987
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okok �OPERATIONAL deaths
Don't need do maintenance of cause no one die.see, run by civilian boh taiji
despite Saw the civilian's gross incompetence, no staff ever died under her watch, after general Desmond brought his SAF culture into MRT, 2 men died under his watch
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If they heck care about maintenance and don't do anything, of course less chances of an accident like that lah. �The more you do, the more risks you take what.
yes! �no deaths SInce operation in 1987
Maybe no major deaths since operation in 1987?!
If they heck care about maintenance and don't do anything, of course less chances of an accident like that lah. �The more you do, the more risks you take what.
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breakdowns were no less infrequent under Desmond
If they heck care about maintenance and don't do anything, of course less chances of an accident like that lah. �The more you do, the more risks you take what.
�less chance of maintenance accident but more chance of operational accident?
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imagine the signalling junction cock up due to lack of maintenance, 2 trains head on collision, which one more jialat?
�less chance of maintenance accident but more chance of operational accident?
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imagine the signalling junction cock up due to lack of maintenance, 2 trains head on collision, which one more jialat?
I am not saying that I prefer more chances of operational accident. �
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My point was in response to your comment that under Saw, there were no deaths. �Therefore, all I am saying is that if they don't go all out to ensure that maintenance is done properly, they won't risk much in terms of such accidents.
Maybe no major deaths since operation in 1987?!
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deaths BEFORE operation and DURING construction in areas like Bishan, Yishun were there. �
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that is why those stations, need particualr attention at night and August.
deaths BEFORE operation and DURING construction in areas like Bishan, Yishun were there.
that is why those stations, need particualr attention at night and August.
hmmmmm at nite
did you had a hand in making it happen
Saw needs to shoulder her share of blame for the situation, but she is not the sole culprit, though I'm sure many in the establishment would LLLUUURRRVVVV to have that idea planted deeply in the public mind.Singapore train run at least from 6am to 1am, the window where the real maintenance work can be done is so short, that's why taking so long.
But the problem is, the commuters couldn't wait, so while long term maintenance like changing of sleeper is being done gradually, many short term fix also have to do. With so little time every night, this is challenging.
Empress Saw really create a big hole for the current and any future CEO of smrt.
However, Desmond and his backers doesn't deserve any slack or excuses at all.
Putting a serving General and his team in charge of a listed transport Co facing serious engineering problems cannot be called a "commercial" decision... not sure it can even be called "rational".
Saw needs to shoulder her share of blame for the situation, but she is not the sole culprit, though I'm sure many in the establishment would LLLUUURRRVVVV to have that idea planted deeply in the public mind.
However, Desmond and his backers doesn't deserve any slack or excuses at all.
Putting a serving General and his team in charge of a listed transport Co facing serious engineering problems cannot be called a "commercial" decision... not sure it can even be called "rational".
I remember the General replace some of�SMRT management with his Army people. There were questions raised during that time. whether these army people with no background can run SMRT
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News reported that Harakiri Khaw & Mr Yakult attended the funeral of both men's funeral but no mention of Desmond or his SMRT kakis. If true, can't blame SMRT staffs�for TL with this paper general.
Edited by Christan, 24 March 2016 - 12:36 PM.
I read in papers some of SMRT staff were disappointed with the Company responses to this accident. �
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I suppose some may resign over this. Just when we need to boost the engineering team and this happens. No sure which direction we are heading now
The link to the straits time report with the 5th person in line.
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No one knew a train was coming, he recalled. "Our environment up there is different - you wouldn't be able to hear the train coming," he explained, adding that their supervisor had not said anything in the moments before the accident.
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Hmm....does this indicate that sup does not know and the people in the control center never inform the team when they should have a schedule of the incoming trains.
This clearly reflects what kinda person you are. Period.
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I wouldn't suggest someone to tell the aggrieved parent anything. I would rather give them peace and leave them alone.
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What I was trying to say is not to cause unneccessary alarm as it is not helping anyone. Your comments speak for itself.
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blah blah blah... so what kind of person I am may I ask ?�
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Edited by Othello, 24 March 2016 - 12:56 PM.
despite Saw the civilian's gross incompetence, no staff ever died under her watch, after general Desmond brought his SAF culture into MRT, 2 men died under his watch
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The last fatal accident involving SMRT employees was in 2010.
A technician was hit by an LRT train while attending to a fault on the track.The 48-year-old was at a designated walkway, checking the power rail between Bukit Panjang and Phoenix stations, when an oncoming train hit him at Phoenix station.
He suffered injuries to his head and legs and died 12 days later without emerging from a coma.
The technician, who had been with SMRT for 11 years, left behind a wife and three daughters.
Saw needs to shoulder her share of blame for the situation, but she is not the sole culprit, though I'm sure many in the establishment would LLLUUURRRVVVV to have that idea planted deeply in the public mind.
However, Desmond and his backers doesn't deserve any slack or excuses at all.
Putting a serving General and his team in charge of a listed transport Co facing serious engineering problems cannot be called a "commercial" decision... not sure it can even be called "rational".
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Khaw will give Desmond stern warning and reprimand like what Gan did with SGH?
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Track accidentThe last fatal accident involving SMRT employees was in 2010.
A technician was hit by an LRT train while attending to a fault on the track.The 48-year-old was at a designated walkway, checking the power rail between Bukit Panjang and Phoenix stations, when an oncoming train hit him at Phoenix station.
He suffered injuries to his head and legs and died 12 days later without emerging from a coma.
The technician, who had been with SMRT for 11 years, left behind a wife and three daughters.
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lagi best
repeat of the same type of accident
Edited by Goldbug, 24 March 2016 - 12:48 PM.
How to resign? where can they go?I read in papers some of SMRT staff were disappointed with the Company responses to this accident.
I suppose some may resign over this. Just when we need to boost the engineering team and this happens. No sure which direction we are heading now
Still got mortgage, kids, parents
Hard lah
Most will just suck it up and continue
This is why last time Goh CT got say actively disengaged people
The link to the straits time report with the 5th person in line.
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No one knew a train was coming, he recalled. "Our environment up there is different - you wouldn't be able to hear the train coming," he explained, adding that their supervisor had not said anything in the moments before the accident.
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Hmm....does this indicate that sup does not know and the people in the control center never inform the team when they should have a schedule of the incoming trains.
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so many parties at fault� 
I remember the General replace some of SMRT management with his Army people. There were questions raised during that time. whether these army people with no background can run SMRT
News reported that Harakiri Khaw & Mr Yakult attended the funeral of both men's funeral but no mention of Desmond or his SMRT kakis. If true, can't blame SMRT staffs for TL with this paper general.
khaw attended because he said sh it online and people f him up
so he better action action
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repeat of the same type of accident
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Seriously I look at such comments I do not know what to say. The railway tracks are built back in the 80s to 90s, maintainence crew have been in and out of it for so many years w/o mishap. In this case something must have happened out of the norm for it to cause death.
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I think ppl need to relax and chill. Just wait for the detail investigation report and not blow things up for no good reason. For ppl to go OMG or get angry won't help anyone. Let ppl do their job to find out what actually happen.
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Edited by Othello, 24 March 2016 - 12:58 PM.
Read in Straits times that another survived trainee mentioned that:
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No one knew the train was coming.� This survived trainee was in the fifth and when the senior officers behind shouted train is coming train is coming, everyone quickly run, he quickly run to the sidewalk and grab the railway.� The supervisor behind the deceased quickly jumped to the sidewalk and squatted down.� when he turned to look at his friends, he saw Nasruidhubin was crushed under the train and Aysraf's body flew over him and flunged 50m.
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No one knew that the train was coming.� The supervisors have not said anything in the moments before the accidents.� The person in charge knows the system because they are more senior than us.� Our job was to observe.
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Straits time also mentioned that :� No one know how the senior officer who was in front of them escape.
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So my question is how he escape and why he didn't inform the deceased of the oncoming train or guide them to safety.� Since he is the first person in the row, shouldn't he be hit first?�
Perhaps they really cannot confirm.Is this logical at all?
The other 13 people around were looking at the scenery instead?
Example. I know what happened. Unfortunately what I say will have very big implications. Maybe the deceased will get condemned. Maybe my supervisor will get condemned and career ruined. And I may get myself enemies and career ruined AND I cannot say with full certainty. I will also say not sure.
Neutral example. I saw a tiko ranger chatting up with a girl. The TR is my friend. His wife ask me what is going on between TR and the girl. 99% I know its flirting but I know I say out can end up divorce and I am not 100% sure. So I will say, I don't know.
My two cents
Same here.
And one more thing. In Singapore, sometimes we look down in blue collar workers or people down the education chain but we forget that their jobs are also not easy. This is evidenced by the pay scale where people in lower echelons tend to be paid lower but the risks to life and limb are higher.
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So my question is how he escape and why he didn't inform the deceased of the oncoming train or guide them to safety.� Since he is the first person in the row, shouldn't he be hit first?�
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mishap mishap
Totally out of context lah. He say MRT that one is LRT.but some people say no mishap wor
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can only say his self-preservation instinct is too strong to be overcome by call of duty.
Lao jiao liao, of course take cover skill is thereRead in Straits times that another survived trainee mentioned that:
No one knew the train was coming. This survived trainee was in the fifth and when the senior officers behind shouted train is coming train is coming, everyone quickly run, he quickly run to the sidewalk and grab the railway. The supervisor behind the deceased quickly jumped to the sidewalk and squatted down. when he turned to look at his friends, he saw Nasruidhubin was crushed under the train and Aysraf's body flew over him and flunged 50m.
No one knew that the train was coming. The supervisors have not said anything in the moments before the accidents. The person in charge knows the system because they are more senior than us. Our job was to observe.
Straits time also mentioned that : No one know how the senior officer who was in front of them escape.
So my question is how he escape and why he didn't inform the deceased of the oncoming train or guide them to safety. Since he is the first person in the row, shouldn't he be hit first?
Totally out of context lah. He say MRT that one is LRT.
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ha ha ha .... wah, damn freaky, this reply is what I think he will say (really ! sompah 
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suddenly it become the customer or user that is us, that have to shoulder some fault?
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no 1 must complain, all keep quiet and accept it, cos the maintenance crew face high risk, if they go fix the fault during day time.
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like that I think for 50 % of the ceo pay is enough, every bro and sister here will raise hand can take over any time.
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You must understand. Maybe when we Google Mrt fatal accident LRT might not show up.
ha ha ha .... wah, damn freaky, this reply is what I think he will say (really ! sompah
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then my question is - who manages the Bukit Panjang LRT Line ??
Quite puzzle on this too, the track is straight as shown the photo, in order not to take things for granted (in case the signal guy didn't change the track for incoming train), should have taken cover.No one knew a train was coming, he recalled. "Our environment up there is different - you wouldn't be able to hear the train coming," he explained, adding that their supervisor had not said anything in the moments before the accident.
Just wonder why on the open track unable to hear train approaching? How to explain this?
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No one knew a train was coming, he recalled. "Our environment up there is different - you wouldn't be able to hear the train coming," he explained, adding that their supervisor had not said anything in the moments before the accident.
Just wonder why on the open track unable to hear train approaching? How to explain this?
My two cents.
The MRT is very quiet. Honestly, how many of us hear clearly the MRT approaching the station as opposed to us seeing the train. I don't hear the train as much as I see the train approach. When the train enters the station, the sound is obvious but if I were on the track it would be too late. Add this to the fact that tthere is ambient noise and you were not expecting the train to come.
The bigger question is why did they not see it. I believe it is because they were not eexpecting it. I hesitate to use the word complacent because a lot of us are equally guilty. Like how many of us cross the road when the lights are in our favour without constant scanning for dangers? Can be as motorist or pedestrian. The answer is we don't do it as often as we should and that is because we place a lot of faith that everyone will follow the rules.
As in here, they were expecting no train to come and hence were not looking for it.
however u look at it, 0.5m is narrow bah. Not much room for error
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simple, we take basic and advance theory in driving.
how much gap do u need to give from the kerb if is there is a bicycle or pedestrain or stationary object?
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furthermore this is at 60km/h.... 0.5m?? �
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No one knew a train was coming, he recalled. "Our environment up there is different - you wouldn't be able to hear the train coming," he explained, adding that their supervisor had not said anything in the moments before the accident.
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Perhaps it's the open air, where noise is dissipitated everywhere, so you can't hear the train coming well.
In a tunnel, it's different, noise is focused in a single direction, so you can hear the train much louder.
The bigger issue here is that the train was crossing over to the 2ND track while approaching pasir ris terminal in auto mode. So the driver probably looked ahead and of course ahead there are no people due to the train is still in the main track, (I assume that due to it is in auto mode, the driver will not know whether the train will continue to go straight or divert to the 2ND track due to at terminal station either platform can be used for incoming train). The train driver didn't think much as it is their daily routine and they had travelled on tracks don't know how many thousands of km already. Then when train were on the way divert to 2ND track, train driver now have vision straight ahead that there are 3 guys on track, they now have only a few seconds to make quick reaction to escape, the 1St guy did it however the 2ND and 3rd guy unfortunately unable to escape. The train driver can't do much at the point already as it is already too near and emergency brake also need to travel some distance in 60km per hour.My two cents.
The MRT is very quiet. Honestly, how many of us hear clearly the MRT approaching the station as opposed to us seeing the train. I don't hear the train as much as I see the train approach. When the train enters the station, the sound is obvious but if I were on the track it would be too late. Add this to the fact that tthere is ambient noise and you were not expecting the train to come.
The bigger question is why did they not see it. I believe it is because they were not eexpecting it. I hesitate to use the word complacent because a lot of us are equally guilty. Like how many of us cross the road when the lights are in our favour without constant scanning for dangers? Can be as motorist or pedestrian. The answer is we don't do it as often as we should and that is because we place a lot of faith that everyone will follow the rules.
As in here, they were expecting no train to come and hence were not looking for it.
For the 15 guys on the maintenance platform walking towards the signal box to check for the warning alarm, the leading supervisor probably walked the track countless of time to investigate the warning alarm at various train station and everytime there is no issue. So this time he also expect the same thing. So usually when he on the track, the train will not be diverted to the 2ND track but continue to go straight to the train station. So when he sees train approaching at the other track, he did not think much as he would have assumed that the train will continue the normal straight path, for these trainees behind, of course they just follow, they would have assumed that the leading supervisor knows what he needs to do and thus also thinks the same way the train coming from the other track must be travelling straight and not divert to the 2ND track. All 3 that where in front where in a rude shock when they saw the train at the intersection is not going straight but going to the 2ND track. They need to step out onto the track over the live rail for some reason near the train intersection point. (this one was not explained clearly, as the news state that they need to investigate the warning signal and the box that they are going to investigate is at the maintenance walkway, the picture drawn up also shows at no point in time they will need to get onto the track as the walking path is quite straightforward in the maintenance walkway, but there is also report that they need to cross over to the track to check on something else, so what is the something else that need to be checked beside the box at the maintenance walkway also never mention clearly).
So now the focus should be the thing that they need to investigate on the other side which they need to cross over to walk on the track and not the box at the maintenance walkway right? If they only walk on the straight path to the box at the maintenance walkway, nothing would have happened as the train will just pass them like that. Because the news keep focus on the box at maintenance walkway and keep emphasize on that, I believe it confused many people as normal people would have think, they are walking straight path to the box at the maintenance walkway, what why need to step out onto the track?
The thing that they need to investigate will be, the need to walk on the track a very last minute thing or they knew it way before they step onto the the maintenance walkway. Those last minute thing have greater tendency to make errors as they need to make decisions fast and may overlooked on the safety expect. If it is not last minute that they need to step onto track then it is very worrying that in procedure wise there is already a problem.
So now perhaps, the team who draft out safety procedure may need to split out to 2 parts, one is normal procedure, while walking to on the maintenance walkway or on the track. Another one will be at any point that they need to deviate from the planned path or planned list of things to do, they will have another list that they need to check, many would have repeated, but it's a good reminder also.
Edited by Yewheng, 25 March 2016 - 03:10 AM.
To the world you are just a person. To a company you are just an employee. The day you resign, your work cubicle will be replaced. Your absence missed for a day then the company forgets you. They went on to make their money for they need to, and they have no time to grieve because of the expectations they have to fulfil. Occasionally they make mistakes and it may come with a price, you have to pay.
This is why, my friends, do not mix work with family. Do not take your work home, cast your family aside and forget about giving time to your children. Because in their hearts you are never replaced, because when you are gone, everyday you will be missed. If anything happen to you, it will be your family and friends crying like crazy for you. Because to them, even though you are just one person, you are their world.
So reset your prorities. Be a good worker but be a better father/mother/friend/daughter/son. #heartbreak
Words of wisdom, from facebook.
To the world you are just a person. To a company you are just an employee. The day you resign, your work cubicle will be replaced. Your absence missed for a day then the company forgets you. They went on to make their money for they need to, and they have no time to grieve because of the expectations they have to fulfil. Occasionally they make mistakes and it may come with a price, you have to pay.
This is why, my friends, do not mix work with family. Do not take your work home, cast your family aside and forget about giving time to your children. Because in their hearts you are never replaced, because when you are gone, everyday you will be missed. If anything happen to you, it will be your family and friends crying like crazy for you. Because to them, even though you are just one person, you are their world.
So reset your prorities. Be a good worker but be a better father/mother/friend/daughter/son. #heartbreak
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Words of wisdom, from facebook.
To the world you are just a person. To a company you are just an employee. The day you resign, your work cubicle will be replaced. Your absence missed for a day then the company forgets you. They went on to make their money for they need to, and they have no time to grieve because of the expectations they have to fulfil. Occasionally they make mistakes and it may come with a price, you have to pay.
This is why, my friends, do not mix work with family. Do not take your work home, cast your family aside and forget about giving time to your children. Because in their hearts you are never replaced, because when you are gone, everyday you will be missed. If anything happen to you, it will be your family and friends crying like crazy for you. Because to them, even though you are just one person, you are their world.
So reset your prorities. Be a good worker but be a better father/mother/friend/daughter/son. #heartbreak
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yeah, words of wisdom indeed, that's y i quit being a workaholic some months back
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time to ownself sayang ownself
yeah, words of wisdom indeed, that's y i quit being a workaholic some months back
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time to ownself sayang ownself
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Which part?
Words of wisdom, from facebook.
To the world you are just a person. To a company you are just an employee. The day you resign, your work cubicle will be replaced. Your absence missed for a day then the company forgets you. They went on to make their money for they need to, and they have no time to grieve because of the expectations they have to fulfil. Occasionally they make mistakes and it may come with a price, you have to pay.
This is why, my friends, do not mix work with family. Do not take your work home, cast your family aside and forget about giving time to your children. Because in their hearts you are never replaced, because when you are gone, everyday you will be missed. If anything happen to you, it will be your family and friends crying like crazy for you. Because to them, even though you are just one person, you are their world.
So reset your prorities. Be a good worker but be a better father/mother/friend/daughter/son. #heartbreak
Thank you, Bro :))
Nice wisdom .... it's always good to pause awhile in life and relook at our priorities in life ...
To me, family always come first ... No buts, no ifs...
If anything happen to you, it will be your family and friends crying like crazy for you. Because to them, even though you are just one person, you are their world.
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depends coz if all u did was work n ignored family, when u die dont be surprised some of your family members wont shed a tear for u.
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depends coz if all u did was work n ignored family, when u die dont be surprised some of your family members wont shed a tear for u.
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You took this sentence out of context...haha.
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Yep, they will be happy can have your CPF money liao.
You took this sentence out of context...haha.
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Yep, they will be happy can have your CPF money liao.
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but its true that not everyone will cry at your funeral
Words of wisdom, from facebook.
To the world you are just a person. To a company you are just an employee. The day you resign, your work cubicle will be replaced. Your absence missed for a day then the company forgets you. They went on to make their money for they need to, and they have no time to grieve because of the expectations they have to fulfil. Occasionally they make mistakes and it may come with a price, you have to pay.
This is why, my friends, do not mix work with family. Do not take your work home, cast your family aside and forget about giving time to your children. Because in their hearts you are never replaced, because when you are gone, everyday you will be missed. If anything happen to you, it will be your family and friends crying like crazy for you. Because to them, even though you are just one person, you are their world.
So reset your prorities. Be a good worker but be a better father/mother/friend/daughter/son. #heartbreak
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That's why its best to be self-employed. Take care of your ownself. Work/life is up to you.
That's why its best to be self-employed. Take care of your ownself. Work/life is up to you.
Self-employed is not as rosy as it seems. I am in a SME.
Not only have to worry about profit and operations, also have to worry about customers, workers, suppliers and customers.
If 3 of them already reached the junction box and ready to open it, and maybe 2 of them were standing near or on the track, it does make some sense why the train hit them liao. I always thought all of them were still walking single file along the walkway towards the box, and then the train hit the 2nd and 3rd guy?!
Could be the train being on auto-pilot switched track and headed towards the men, some being on the track due to too many people and did not stop in time.
Self-employed is not as rosy as it seems. I am in a SME.
Not only have to worry about profit and operations, also have to worry about customers, workers, suppliers and customers.
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Yeah. But how you allocate your time is up to you ma. And if you work hard, it benefits you directly. In a company, work hard doesn't mean sure get rewarded one.
My senior colleague told me this when I start work in the company. Do your job as best as you can but don't put yourself in harm's way to do the job. Cause if any thing untoward happens, the company ain't gonna grieve for you & will just get another person to replace you.
"Nobody is indispensable"
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