This thread should be renamed to "Celebrate this week no SMRT/NEL/KTM/simisai incidents!!!"�
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Every week see the same breakdown also very depressing, like we cannot even solve a public transport problem .. how to face globalization ?
This thread should be renamed to "Celebrate this week no SMRT/NEL/KTM/simisai incidents!!!"�
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Every week see the same breakdown also very depressing, like we cannot even solve a public transport problem .. how to face globalization ?
Yesterday saw the news reported on the NS line delay between marina to amk, a few commuter get quite fed up on the breakdown again when interviewed by the reporter. But seems like our breakdown could not be solved at all?!
Now circle line break down? From NE line to NS line to circle line?!
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So still left which line not yet join the break-down party?
So still left which line not yet join the break-down party?
So i guess taking taxi is more reliable than train now?!
So still left which line not yet join the break-down party?
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think all have broken down before ... the current DTL only 6 stations also got breakdown before I think.
MRT ownself check ownself
This thread should be renamed to "Celebrate this week no SMRT/NEL/KTM/simisai incidents!!!"�
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Every week see the same breakdown also very depressing, like we cannot even solve a public transport problem .. how to face globalization ?
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need a website like this http://hasmaldonadocrashedtoday.com/
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p.s. he's an F1 driver well known for crashing
need a website like this http://hasmaldonadocrashedtoday.com/
p.s. he's an F1 driver well known for crashing
We need not pay so much if the minister's job is simply to follow and execute policies set by his boss. Any skilled administrator will do and they can be had for much less than a million a year base salary. Use your brains and think before you say something else you will look stupid
If you cannot make a coherent argument with facts other then name calling. . Is really better to just stfu.
porker and playtime�
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you have both been served a warning regardless of who incited the incident. �No holds barred here and if you wish to persist, it can lead to a ban.
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Thank you
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Referring to your warning message: Its been a long time since I called someone stupid and I don't understand how that is lame.
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And why is it personal? It is my opinion that he is stupid because he made a stupid statement - that minister's job is to follow and act on policies set by the cabinet. Don't see why that is personal.
Referring to your warning message: Its been a long time since I called someone stupid and I don't understand how that is lame.
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And why is it personal? It is my opinion that he is stupid because he made a stupid statement - that minister's job is to follow and act on policies set by the cabinet. Don't see why that is personal.
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you want to bring a message then say it save of calling people otherwise. �If you cannot see that so be it. �We do not condone such lamenting of others as it can escalate.
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That said, it has already, with the response, so both have been served the just desserts.
you want to bring a message then say it save of calling people otherwise. �If you cannot see that so be it. �We do not condone such lamenting of others as it can escalate.
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That said, it has already, with the response, so both have been served the just desserts.
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I'm bringing the message that people should use their brains else they will look stupid. Don't see how I can rephrase that and how sugar coating can change that fact.
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I quote your favourite quote: Call a spade a spade.
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I'll stop for now.
I'm bringing the message that people should use their brains else they will look stupid. Don't see how I can rephrase that and how sugar coating can change that fact.
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I quote your favourite quote: Call a spade a spade.
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I'll stop for now.
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much appreciated. �To bring your quote in context:
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We need not pay so much if the minister's job is simply to follow and execute policies set by his boss. Any skilled administrator will do and they can be had for much less than a million a year base salary.Use your brains and think before you say something else you will look stupid�
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The entire paragraph was excellent in this context and there was no need to bring the last part. The message conveyed �clearly the overall intention and we can make our just decisions from there.
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Good day
Yesterday saw the news reported on the NS line delay between marina to amk, a few commuter get quite fed up on the breakdown again when interviewed by the reporter. But seems like our breakdown could not be solved at all?!
Think put ten KBW, these MRT breakdowns not likely to be solved as long as these lines are still privatized and the two train operators, SMRT & SBS Transit bottom lines are to make profit.
As what our former Spore's Ambassador to UN, professor Kishore Mahbubani said, Singapore's public transport woes are the result of privatization "taken to far"........ Private corporations are judged on the basis of quarterly financial results and have less of an incentive to spend on long term maintenance.
Only way is to de-privatize them as the govt has all the monies and resources to provide tip top maintenance and smooth running of the trains. In return with an efficient transport, more foreign companies will be attracted to set up base in Spore as people can easily travel to the four corners of Spore smoothly.
Never understand why our public transport service here is privatize? Thought public transport is public service.
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Japan also privatized their train services in the 80s. For example, JR before 1987 was known as ?? or JNR. Whether private or public, the transport ministry has to be accountable for ensuring quality and timeliness of service for public transport's impact on the local economy, one doesn't outsource accountability.
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Never understand why our public transport service here is privatize? Thought public transport is public service.
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SINGAPORE: Following a two-hour disruption on the North East Line (NEL) which affected 41,000 commuters and caused some students to be late for examinations, Transport Minister Khaw Boon Wan said that the scheduling of tests for new trains needs to be fine-tuned.
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The breakdown, which happened on Monday morning (Oct 26), was caused by a new train undergoing testing, according to NEL operator SBS Transit.�
The O Level Additional Maths was scheduled to start at 8am on Monday, while A Level students were due to start the written portion of various language papers - including Chinese, Malay and Tamil - at the same time.
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Fewer than 20 candidates reported late for the examinations due to the train disruption, said the Singapore Examinations and Assessment Board (SEAB).
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�Since breakdowns cannot be completely eliminated, we must be prepared for Murphy�s Law and expect the worst. Even when things are tried and tested, we must anticipate and buffer for further glitches and failures, so we do not let the stress of something unplanned happen during stressful events, like our children�s national examination,� Mr Khaw wrote in a blogpost on Friday.
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The new train being tested was one of 18 new trains acquired to increase NEL�s capacity, and was the first of a series of tests for a batch of five new trains, he said, adding that the five trains have already clocked 200km on the test tracks before being tested on the NEL over the last two weeks.�
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According to Mr Khaw, testing of new trains is done progressively � first during off-service period at night over weekends, then during off-peak hours and then finally during peak periods. Monday�s incident came after the testing during the off-service period, he said.
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�In hindsight, the LTA (Land Transport Authority) agreed that it could have limited the testing to only Saturday night or Sunday morning, rather than Sunday night, eating into Monday morning. This is a scheduling detail which we learnt through this episode,� he added.
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�This �last mile� � that of de-conflicting and not allowing two critical events to occur at the same time � is the sort of fine-tuning we need to do, while stepping up reliability of trains.�
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Mr Khaw also said he was struck by the "close relationship" between SEAB and LTA. SEAB was the first agency LTA contacted the moment it realised the breakdown was going to be a major disruption, he said.
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It is a long-standing arrangement that key national examination timetables � from PSLE to A level � are sent every year to SMRT and SBS Transit, he said. In turn, the transport operators �are expected to alert SEAB officers immediately in the event of a disruption.�
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When Monday's breakdown happened, contingency plans were rolled out quickly, Mr Khaw said.
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"SEAB took a deliberate flexible attitude towards students affected by the disruption. I was impressed with the SEAB response and the collaborative spirit between SEAB, LTA and our public transport operators," he said.
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http://www.channelne...ng/2227502.html
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breakdown again
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lots police cars in AMK etc
TAKE NOTE: No train service between Yishun and Marina South Pier on the North-South Line due to power fault.
UPDATE at 6.38am: No train service between Yishun and Bishan. Free bus services are available between Yishun and Marina South Pier, says SMRT.�http://bit.ly/1YsHXjm
SINGAPORE - A power fault caused train service at several stations on the North-South Line to be suspended on Wednesday (Nov 25) during the morning rush hour.
There is currently no train service between Yishun and Bishan stations, says SMRT. Free bus and shuttle bus services are currently available from Yishun to Marina South Pier.
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heng ah i take the first train...0515...hahahaha
it's the power fault not mrt fault ...
it's the power fault not mrt fault ...
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so now blame Singapore Power � � �
Unker KBW sian 1/2, got to come out and show face again.
Unker KBW sian 1/2, got to come out and show face again.
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so what now? another balloon? �or maybe metallic condom....must be Turboflat4 hahahha
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� No penalty for NEL traction power trip incident on April 6, 2014
Train services on the NEL were disrupted for close to an hour on both bounds between Farrer Park and Boon Keng stations due to a power trip. Services resumed after the electrical fault was rectified.
Findings:
An aluminium-foil helium balloon had entered the tunnel and came in contact with an electrical insulator of the OCS near Boon Keng station, causing an electrical fault. No action was taken against SBST as incident was caused by passenger action.
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Many of my colleagues haven't even come into office yet ...
another major setback for KBW ....
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Power fault?!
How come so "zoom"... targeting at the trains?! ...
what abt the industries, flats from Yishun to AMK?! Are they blackout?!
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Anyway, back to drawing board ...
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And don't blame us for buying cars, when the public transport is so unreliable
Monday was NSL - Novena station power fault
Tuesday was NEL or CCL
Wednesday(today) NSL again.
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So far this week, everyday train got problem.
Monday was NSL - Novena station power fault
Tuesday was NEL or CCL
Wednesday(today) NSL again.
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So far this week, everyday train got problem.
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lai lai lai...take bets....
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go for system bet tomorrow.....hahahhaah
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it can be called any fault as long as there is none named KBW fault
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NS line dman lousy
Monday was NSL - Novena station power fault
Tuesday was NEL or CCL
Wednesday(today) NSL again.
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So far this week, everyday train got problem.
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So which unit on standby and is ready to deploy?(Touch wood)
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Sigh. Stop service early to do maintenance also can cause power fault? Maybe hor. Maintenance crew too shag working over the long night, forgot to reconnect the power.
Edited by Watwheels, 25 November 2015 - 09:02 AM.
NS line dman lousy
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no MOB recall ah?
no MOB recall ah?
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no recall army people to help leh
eh yah ah � ��
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no recall army people to help leh
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Recall army ppl go push train? Power fault = no power. No horse power, so use human power.
http://news.asiaone....-hour-breakdown
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Train service between Yishun and Bishan stations resumes after 2-hour breakdown
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other countries activate army to counter terrorists
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singapore activate army to counter mrt breakdowns
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Recall army ppl go push train? Power fault = no power. No horse power, so use human power.
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�If you have a problem... if no one else can help... and if you can find them... maybe you can call... The Army
This is their foresight leh to deploy army during MRT breakdown so terrorists wouldn't use the opportunity to bomb the bloody OVERCROWDED bus stops and MRT stations...� �
�If you have a problem... if no one else can help... and if you can find them... maybe you can call... The Army
then this fella got place also anot? he have special skills. �maybe can FIND the problem...hahha
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lai lai lai...take bets....
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go for system bet tomorrow.....hahahhaah
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buy 3778�
So all the exercise on train breakdown is useful?
Train station member are able to execute the drills as expected ?
then this fella got place also anot? he have special skills. �maybe can FIND the problem...hahha
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problem wont solve one lah
2,3 years down the road, will continue one
Khaw say one hor ...
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NSEWL will be 'almost new' by 2018: Khaw
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By 2018, all the sleepers and the third rail for the North-South and East-West line will be replaced, and its signalling system will be upgraded, resulting in an "almost new" rail system, said Minister of Transport Khaw Boon Wan.�
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SINGAPORE: The process to overhaul the North-South and East-West (NSEWL) line has started and it needs to ramp up its maintenance, Minister for Transport Khaw Boon Wan said in his�blogpost on Tuesday (Nov 17). He also called for a focus on "engineering excellence" among the top brass.
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In his post, Mr Khaw listed the seven principal elements of the strategy to restore the NSEWL's reliability, which included the need to improve maintenance as well as to build up the pool of engineering talent.�
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REPLACE, OVERHAUL, UPGRADE
Mr Khaw wrote that the NSEWL will be 30 years old soon, and like car parts that "need to be periodically replaced or extensively overhauled, the NSEWL�s station facilities, trains, tracks, signalling and power systems are similarly due for such an exercise". These exercises are also opportunities to upgrade equipment.
"This process has begun. All the sleepers for the entire North-South Line have been replaced; the replacement on the East-West Line began in May. We have also begun replacing the third rail, which provides electric power to trains. We are also upgrading the signalling system to allow us to run trains at shorter intervals, and thus increase capacity by up to 20 per cent," he said.
"When all these works are completed by 2018, we will essentially have an �almost new� NSEWL."
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RAMP UP MAINTENANCE
The current level of maintenance is "inadequate", added Mr Khaw. He said SMRT and SBS Transit (SBST) will have to ramp up their maintenance resources, including manpower.
"The availability of skilled manpower is a challenge which we must overcome. To this end, we must also work hard to retain existing professionals and upskill them at every opportunity."
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BETTER SUPPORT MAINTENANCE
Mr Khaw also suggested reducing revenue service of trains by half an hour during off-peak periods, such as early Sunday mornings, to give more time for the maintenance crew to carry out their work.
"We hope to get commuters' support for such a measure," he said.
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CORPORATE AND MANAGEMENT FOCUS ON ENGINEERING EXCELLENCE
The minister also reiterated the need for the transport operators' top brass to have a "clear focus" on engineering excellence.
"Corporate focus on engineering excellence is essential and the management must reiterate it at every opportunity," said Mr Khaw. "SMRT�s top leadership have expressed strong commitment to me, to raise rail reliability."
He said that shareholders must also realise that they are primarily buying into a specialised engineering company.
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RAMP UP LTA SUPERVISION
As for the role of the Land Transport Authority (LTA), Mr Khaw said they are strengthening their regulatory regime "to catch problems upstream", rather than taking a more outcome-based approach.
"By the time a fault happens, it is too late. This is where doing things right is as important as doing the right thing. LTA is formulating a stringent set of maintenance performance standards, with more prescriptive, process-based requirements for the operators."
He added that LTA will be embedding dedicated teams in the NSEWL to give engineering expertise.
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FORGE AN INTEGRATED TEAM
The minister also called for an integrated team to be forged, as problems can emerge from many possible areas such as design, operations or maintenance.�
"Finger-pointing in the first instance will not get us anywhere near this outcome; it only causes distrust between parties or worse, leads to under-reporting or even cover-up. We need an enlightened approach of transparency and open collaboration amongst all parties, and I am insisting on such a culture," he wrote.
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INTEGRATE THE INDUSTRY STRUCTURE
Mr Khaw reiterated that all parties involved in the different stages of the rail network - design, build, operate, maintain - must work closely together.
"For example, the designer must appreciate the operational complications and learn from them, so that his future designs can address these issues. As an engineer, I subscribe to the mantra that 'a good design is easy to build, maintain and operate'."
He said there is "room to improve the integration in the current MRT industry structure", and this is a "strategic issue which we are currently thinking through".
The desired outcome of these seven elements, according to Mr Khaw, is for "good engineers to be able to do good work, for the larger public good, undistracted from secondary non-engineering objectives".
He ended his post by saying that the approach applies to the other lines run by SMRT and SBST. "The approach will also guide us in starting the new line, the Thomson-East Coast Line, on the correct footing from day one, unencumbered by legacy issues."�
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http://www.channelne...ew/2268708.html
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Not exactly sure how big the fire was, but if it can be put out by fire extinguisher, the station controller cannot do it themselves?
MRT station can catch fire? WTF...
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What's next?
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MRT station can catch fire? WTF...
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What's next?
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Ponding on the track?
Khaw say one hor ...
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NSEWL will be 'almost new' by 2018: Khaw
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By 2018, all the sleepers and the third rail for the North-South and East-West line will be replaced, and its signalling system will be upgraded, resulting in an "almost new" rail system, said Minister of Transport Khaw Boon Wan.�
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SINGAPORE: The process to overhaul the North-South and East-West (NSEWL) line has started and it needs to ramp up its maintenance, Minister for Transport Khaw Boon Wan said in his�blogpost on Tuesday (Nov 17). He also called for a focus on "engineering excellence" among the top brass.
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In his post, Mr Khaw listed the seven principal elements of the strategy to restore the NSEWL's reliability, which included the need to improve maintenance as well as to build up the pool of engineering talent.�
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REPLACE, OVERHAUL, UPGRADE
Mr Khaw wrote that the NSEWL will be 30 years old soon, and like car parts that "need to be periodically replaced or extensively overhauled, the NSEWL�s station facilities, trains, tracks, signalling and power systems are similarly due for such an exercise". These exercises are also opportunities to upgrade equipment.
"This process has begun. All the sleepers for the entire North-South Line have been replaced; the replacement on the East-West Line began in May. We have also begun replacing the third rail, which provides electric power to trains. We are also upgrading the signalling system to allow us to run trains at shorter intervals, and thus increase capacity by up to 20 per cent," he said.
"When all these works are completed by 2018, we will essentially have an �almost new� NSEWL."
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RAMP UP MAINTENANCE
The current level of maintenance is "inadequate", added Mr Khaw. He said SMRT and SBS Transit (SBST) will have to ramp up their maintenance resources, including manpower.
"The availability of skilled manpower is a challenge which we must overcome. To this end, we must also work hard to retain existing professionals and upskill them at every opportunity."
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BETTER SUPPORT MAINTENANCE
Mr Khaw also suggested reducing revenue service of trains by half an hour during off-peak periods, such as early Sunday mornings, to give more time for the maintenance crew to carry out their work.
"We hope to get commuters' support for such a measure," he said.
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CORPORATE AND MANAGEMENT FOCUS ON ENGINEERING EXCELLENCE
The minister also reiterated the need for the transport operators' top brass to have a "clear focus" on engineering excellence.
"Corporate focus on engineering excellence is essential and the management must reiterate it at every opportunity," said Mr Khaw. "SMRT�s top leadership have expressed strong commitment to me, to raise rail reliability."
He said that shareholders must also realise that they are primarily buying into a specialised engineering company.
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RAMP UP LTA SUPERVISION
As for the role of the Land Transport Authority (LTA), Mr Khaw said they are strengthening their regulatory regime "to catch problems upstream", rather than taking a more outcome-based approach.
"By the time a fault happens, it is too late. This is where doing things right is as important as doing the right thing. LTA is formulating a stringent set of maintenance performance standards, with more prescriptive, process-based requirements for the operators."
He added that LTA will be embedding dedicated teams in the NSEWL to give engineering expertise.
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FORGE AN INTEGRATED TEAM
The minister also called for an integrated team to be forged, as problems can emerge from many possible areas such as design, operations or maintenance.�
"Finger-pointing in the first instance will not get us anywhere near this outcome; it only causes distrust between parties or worse, leads to under-reporting or even cover-up. We need an enlightened approach of transparency and open collaboration amongst all parties, and I am insisting on such a culture," he wrote.
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INTEGRATE THE INDUSTRY STRUCTURE
Mr Khaw reiterated that all parties involved in the different stages of the rail network - design, build, operate, maintain - must work closely together.
"For example, the designer must appreciate the operational complications and learn from them, so that his future designs can address these issues. As an engineer, I subscribe to the mantra that 'a good design is easy to build, maintain and operate'."
He said there is "room to improve the integration in the current MRT industry structure", and this is a "strategic issue which we are currently thinking through".
The desired outcome of these seven elements, according to Mr Khaw, is for "good engineers to be able to do good work, for the larger public good, undistracted from secondary non-engineering objectives".
He ended his post by saying that the approach applies to the other lines run by SMRT and SBST. "The approach will also guide us in starting the new line, the Thomson-East Coast Line, on the correct footing from day one, unencumbered by legacy issues."�
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hopefully he can do the job
hopefully he can do the job
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yeah, cos if he can't ... I really dunno who can ...
Khaw say one hor ...
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NSEWL will be 'almost new' by 2018: Khaw
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By 2018, all the sleepers and the third rail for the North-South and East-West line will be replaced, and its signalling system will be upgraded, resulting in an "almost new" rail system, said Minister of Transport Khaw Boon Wan.�
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SINGAPORE: The process to overhaul the North-South and East-West (NSEWL) line has started and it needs to ramp up its maintenance, Minister for Transport Khaw Boon Wan said in his�blogpost on Tuesday (Nov 17). He also called for a focus on "engineering excellence" among the top brass.
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In his post, Mr Khaw listed the seven principal elements of the strategy to restore the NSEWL's reliability, which included the need to improve maintenance as well as to build up the pool of engineering talent.�
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REPLACE, OVERHAUL, UPGRADE
Mr Khaw wrote that the NSEWL will be 30 years old soon, and like car parts that "need to be periodically replaced or extensively overhauled, the NSEWL�s station facilities, trains, tracks, signalling and power systems are similarly due for such an exercise". These exercises are also opportunities to upgrade equipment.
"This process has begun. All the sleepers for the entire North-South Line have been replaced; the replacement on the East-West Line began in May. We have also begun replacing the third rail, which provides electric power to trains. We are also upgrading the signalling system to allow us to run trains at shorter intervals, and thus increase capacity by up to 20 per cent," he said.
"When all these works are completed by 2018, we will essentially have an �almost new� NSEWL."
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RAMP UP MAINTENANCE
The current level of maintenance is "inadequate", added Mr Khaw. He said SMRT and SBS Transit (SBST) will have to ramp up their maintenance resources, including manpower.
"The availability of skilled manpower is a challenge which we must overcome. To this end, we must also work hard to retain existing professionals and upskill them at every opportunity."
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BETTER SUPPORT MAINTENANCE
Mr Khaw also suggested reducing revenue service of trains by half an hour during off-peak periods, such as early Sunday mornings, to give more time for the maintenance crew to carry out their work.
"We hope to get commuters' support for such a measure," he said.
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CORPORATE AND MANAGEMENT FOCUS ON ENGINEERING EXCELLENCE
The minister also reiterated the need for the transport operators' top brass to have a "clear focus" on engineering excellence.
"Corporate focus on engineering excellence is essential and the management must reiterate it at every opportunity," said Mr Khaw. "SMRT�s top leadership have expressed strong commitment to me, to raise rail reliability."
He said that shareholders must also realise that they are primarily buying into a specialised engineering company.
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RAMP UP LTA SUPERVISION
As for the role of the Land Transport Authority (LTA), Mr Khaw said they are strengthening their regulatory regime "to catch problems upstream", rather than taking a more outcome-based approach.
"By the time a fault happens, it is too late. This is where doing things right is as important as doing the right thing. LTA is formulating a stringent set of maintenance performance standards, with more prescriptive, process-based requirements for the operators."
He added that LTA will be embedding dedicated teams in the NSEWL to give engineering expertise.
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FORGE AN INTEGRATED TEAM
The minister also called for an integrated team to be forged, as problems can emerge from many possible areas such as design, operations or maintenance.�
"Finger-pointing in the first instance will not get us anywhere near this outcome; it only causes distrust between parties or worse, leads to under-reporting or even cover-up. We need an enlightened approach of transparency and open collaboration amongst all parties, and I am insisting on such a culture," he wrote.
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INTEGRATE THE INDUSTRY STRUCTURE
Mr Khaw reiterated that all parties involved in the different stages of the rail network - design, build, operate, maintain - must work closely together.
"For example, the designer must appreciate the operational complications and learn from them, so that his future designs can address these issues. As an engineer, I subscribe to the mantra that 'a good design is easy to build, maintain and operate'."
He said there is "room to improve the integration in the current MRT industry structure", and this is a "strategic issue which we are currently thinking through".
The desired outcome of these seven elements, according to Mr Khaw, is for "good engineers to be able to do good work, for the larger public good, undistracted from secondary non-engineering objectives".
He ended his post by saying that the approach applies to the other lines run by SMRT and SBST. "The approach will also guide us in starting the new line, the Thomson-East Coast Line, on the correct footing from day one, unencumbered by legacy issues."�
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how come he didn't say anything on plans for pest control aka rat catching?
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yeah, cos if he can't ... I really dunno who can ...
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good luck to us if he cannot
NS line dman lousy
Basically all the mrt lines are damn lousy, esp the NS line. I always find NS line super hopeless, always slow and long waiting time!
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Don't understand why the mrt breakdown always happen during the peak hours?�First time i was affected by this disruption, lol.
Basically all the mrt lines are damn lousy, esp the NS line. I always find NS line super hopeless, always slow and long waiting time!
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Don't understand why the mrt breakdown always happen during the peak hours?�First time i was affected by this disruption, lol.
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funny thing is when i was having bf at the MRT station, i heard of the breakdown i was like:
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Anyway, today breakdown might be due to the son of the rat that died few weeks back is trying to look for his parent and tripped the power line too.
how come he didn't say anything on plans for pest control aka rat catching?
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maybe that term did not go down too well so has been dropped ?
Root cause of the problem is that farking Miss Saw. she should be tied up across the track and let the train run over her,
Anyway, today breakdown might be due to the son of the rat that died few weeks back is trying to look for his parent and tripped the power line too.
Until now still don't know the current hopeless train system is really due to ms saw or it is due to other factors? Such as overloaded on the train etc?
MRT station can catch fire? WTF...
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What's next?
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maybe the 50 yr ponding.
Recently train disruption�mostly due to power fault! Don't know are they trying to tell us that their train is in tip-top condition now, so no breakdown?
Ownself check ownself can liao!
Close down SMRT and convert the train tracks to cycling tracks and everybody happy . . . drivers, pedestrians and cyclists . . . but provided cyclists do not off the tracks
the lousy MRT service is due to years and years of "poor" maintenance and management (long term planning) ...
for the last decade ... MRT focus on short term gain ... $$$ KPI KPI KPI ...
expect more good years of breakdowns to come ... huat ah!
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Basically all the mrt lines are damn lousy, esp the NS line. I always find NS line super hopeless, always slow and long waiting time!
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Don't understand why the mrt breakdown always happen during the peak hours?�First time i was affected by this disruption, lol.
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Edited by Wt_know, 25 November 2015 - 01:32 PM.
Ownself check ownself can liao!
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I was wondering if IRS can shutdown, we can check ourselves.
the lousy MRT service is due to years and years of "poor" maintenance and management (long term planning) ...
for the last decade ... MRT focus on short term gain ... $$$ KPI KPI KPI ...
expect more good years of breakdowns to come ... huat ah!
No wonder in other countries where their train system is so much complicated, crowded and older than us, and yet the breakdown rate is low or keep to the minimise.
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MRT station can catch fire? WTF...
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What's next?
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Train catches fire....
Ponding on track?
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That's something new. Can give it a try.
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Ponding on the track?
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Sorry, but NS Line wasn't like this in the past.
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Try and think about how it is in today's sorry state.
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Basically all the mrt lines are damn lousy, esp the NS line. I always find NS line super hopeless, always slow and long waiting time!
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Don't understand why the mrt breakdown always happen during the peak hours?�First time i was affected by this disruption, lol.
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Power fault because SG govt doesn't own any power stations anymore, IIRC.
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Recently train disruption�mostly due to power fault! Don't know are they trying to tell us that their train is in tip-top condition now, so no breakdown?
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Not forgetting lack of coordination between infrastructure expansion and population expansion.
income opportunity!!!!!
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income opportunity!!!!!
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Jin happening nowadays on SMRT ..........�
Khaw say one hor ...
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Larkily it is skool holidays liao and students didn't have to take the trains to school and plus the fact that many families are probably away on overseas holidays..if not the problem and overcrowding today�would have been overwhelming and bad press for SMRT...
Larkily it is skool holidays liao and students didn't have to take the trains to school and plus the fact that many families are probably away on overseas holidays..if not the problem and overcrowding today�would have been overwhelming and bad press for SMRT...
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There are those who are taking A levels. Not so lucky but they were not penalised for being late.
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The big picture to me is puzzling. Train operator year after year takes record profit after profit� but breakdowns are ever increasing and so are the fares. Is it really a maintenance issue or an aging rail system? Or is the company corrupted beyond doubt?
Edited by Watwheels, 25 November 2015 - 10:22 PM.
income opportunity!!!!!
for uber/grabcar drivers
Haha!
Every morning I will call BB MRT staton control and check first before I set off to work.
"Hello! Any problem today?"
There are those who are taking A levels. Not so lucky but they were not penalised for being late.
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The big picture to me is puzzling. Train operator year after year takes record profit after profit� but breakdowns are ever increasing and so are the fares. Is it really a maintenance issue or an aging rail system? Or is the company corrupted beyond doubt?
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Maybe the higher management pay themselves pretty well..anyway..give them some time..they are...as they say...still�working on it...
my guess is we will be in the mess for a long long time. Very clear to me when LTY decided to quit. He probably see no solution.�
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it is also a joke that their latest PR campaign is to emphasize that they are working on the problems and giving us personal details about names of their employees and place of residence? Is it supposed to generate some sort of sympathy from me that the employees are also human beings or my neighbour?�
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senior management trying to shift the blame to their rank and file workers? why dont they post CEO's NRIC and full address and home telephone number on the posters. Maybe i will feel less angry with the breakdowns�
Precisely, we have to endure the mess that they have created, and yet those high position like the CEO still get pay million of dollars! Nowadays always make me angry whenever i take their hopeless train.
my guess is we will be in the mess for a long long time. Very clear to me when LTY decided to quit. He probably see no solution.�
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it is also a joke that their latest PR campaign is to emphasize that they are working on the problems and giving us personal details about names of their employees and place of residence? Is it supposed to generate some sort of sympathy from me that the employees are also human beings or my neighbour?�
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senior management trying to shift the blame to their rank and file workers? why dont they post CEO's NRIC and full address and home telephone number on the posters. Maybe i will feel less angry with the breakdowns�
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I gave up hope that there will be less breakdown on the 2 oldest line.
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I can always rely on Brommie to commute to work.
eh eh eh.........
don't comprain
profit optimization vs service excellence maximization
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Edited by Wt_know, 26 November 2015 - 12:04 PM.
profit optimization vs service excellence maximization
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so, which one in more important?
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$ in pocket the most important
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Anyway, looks like we will have to tahan this for a couple of years ... tahan the breakdowns as well as tahan the huge bonus $ into the pockets...
Edited by Ktglfc, 26 November 2015 - 12:43 PM.
why put the�mechs on the posters?
because no one will blame the poorly paid mechs
he is just a commoner like you and me
why not the ceo?
use the mechs as deflection?
when got abit if improvement, straightaway press conference, give award?
yalah! at least have the CEO in the poster shining torch at the underside of the train carriage . . kah ho kwah mah . . . .
when train pai they will notify on Twitter ... is this really an effective platform for getting critical�information across ?
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I am one of those who does not have Twitter a/c.
when train pai they will notify on Twitter ... is this really an effective platform for getting critical�information across ?
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I am one of those who does not have Twitter a/c.
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How do you define effective platform or not?
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Most ppl on this island has Twitter or FB account le.
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In addition, LTA also announce it via MyTransport app.
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Lastly, i would expect breakdown is announced via Radio/TV.
http://singaporeseen...s-travelling-on
wah, MRT now got flux capacitor.
Cause for concern? Electric sparks spotted as train travels on tracks near Ang Mo Kio MRT station
http://singaporeseen...s-travelling-on
Don't worry, they are working on it. Lol.
when train pai they will notify on Twitter ... is this really an effective platform for getting critical information across ?
I am one of those who does not have Twitter a/c.
Haha. I also don't have. Remember d old days when I was carrying a pager, important or not important report also received alert. Damm stressful.
Haha. I also don't have. Remember d old days when I was carrying a pager, important or not important report also received alert. Damm stressful.
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Train disruptions in Singapore: Worrying pattern cannot be ignored
Christopher Tan
The Straits Times
26 November 2015
Wednesday's (Nov 25) rail disruption along the North-South Line, which affected tens of thousands of commuters during the morning peak, is worrying on two counts.
First, it involved yet another electrical fire. Fires in a mass transit system, no matter how small, can have catastrophic consequences. And there has been one too many recently.
Earlier this year, a circuit-breaker fire shut down the Bukit Panjang LRT system for a day.
In 2013, a short-circuit fire broke out near Newton, engulfing the station in smoke and disrupting service for two hours in the morning peak.
In 2004, a fire broke out in the tunnel near Newton, apparently also caused by a short circuit.
Wednesday's fire on the North-South Line was said to have been ignited by a flashover at a tie-breaker (a kind of circuit breaker) in Ang Mo Kio MRT station.
The blaze was put out by the Singapore Civil Defence Force at 5.50am.
A flashover is an unintended discharge of current, which can leap across voids. It can happen when a system is stressed with a higher-than-usual electrical load.
Was the system under a higher-than-usual load, with additional trains and newer and heavier ones? SMRT would not comment.
There was a strong suspicion that a heavier-than-usual electrical load had caused the Bukit Panjang LRT fire.
On the other hand, Wednesday's incident happened before service started for the day, so load could not have been the likely cause.
According to the Land Transport Authority (LTA), disruptions caused by power and trackside faults more than doubled between 2011 and last year.
In 2011, they accounted for eight incidents or 2 per cent of all disruptions. Last year, they were responsible for 16 incidents or 5 per cent of incidents.
The unprecedented networkwide breakdown on July 7 this year was also caused by an electrical fault - although there was no fire.
Why is the system experiencing such a surge in electrical faults? If this electrical problem is not tackled, a tunnel fire might one day happen with serious consequences.
The second worrying thing about Wednesday's breakdown was what the LTA chief executive said in its aftermath.
Mr Chew Men Leong, talking to reporters at Ang Mo Kio station on Wednesday morning, described the incident as a "localised" one.
Although Mr Chew was speaking off the cuff, the comment downplays the gravity of the situation unnecessarily.
Rail breakdowns are rarely "localised", unless it is a glitch on the Sentosa monorail.
A breakdown on an MRT line, which can account for one million trips a day, impacts not just people in a particular stretch.
It affects commuters both upstream and downstream of the affected stretch. In fact, it can reverberate across the entire rail network, as transfers are disrupted and train platforms become overcrowded - often in an instant.
It impacts bus commuters, taxi availability and road traffic as affected commuters spill out of stations onto the streets in search of transport alternatives.
A rail breakdown - especially during peak hours - easily impacts tens of thousands of people. A country's productivity is affected as a consequence, not to mention students who are late for exams.
What Mr Chew said on Wednesday morning about SMRT being able to recover from the situation quickly was spot on, though.
City-bound trains on the North-South Line were running at intervals as short as one minute after the incident. This was possible because drivers overrode the system and drove the trains manually.
This helped to clear the crowd quickly. Checks by The Straits Times at Bishan interchange found that trains went from fully packed at 9.15am to having ample standing room by 9.30am.
Trains on the adjoining Circle Line were running at intervals of as short as two minutes, even though the electronic notice board said four.
That helped to dissipate the crowd on the platform that was filled continuously by people transferring from the North-South Line.
In this instance, it is clear the operator managed its recovery process well, and that mitigated the impact of the breakdown somewhat.
The challenge is, of course, to prevent a repeat of such breakdowns. Although the number of breakdowns can never be zero, the rising incidence of electrical faults and fires forms a worrying pattern that cannot be ignored.
The second worrying thing about Wednesday's breakdown was what the LTA chief executive said in its aftermath.
Mr Chew Men Leong, talking to reporters at Ang Mo Kio station on Wednesday morning, described the incident as a "localised" one.
Although Mr Chew was speaking off the cuff, the comment downplays the gravity of the situation unnecessarily.
Rail breakdowns are rarely "localised", unless it is a glitch on the Sentosa monorail.
A breakdown on an MRT line, which can account for one million trips a day, impacts not just people in a particular stretch.
It affects commuters both upstream and downstream of the affected stretch. In fact, it can reverberate across the entire rail network, as transfers are disrupted and train platforms become overcrowded - often in an instant.
It impacts bus commuters, taxi availability and road traffic as affected commuters spill out of stations onto the streets in search of transport alternatives.
A rail breakdown - especially during peak hours - easily impacts tens of thousands of people. A country's productivity is affected as a consequence, not to mention students who are late for exams.
What Mr Chew said on Wednesday morning about SMRT being able to recover from the situation quickly was spot on, though.
City-bound trains on the North-South Line were running at intervals as short as one minute after the incident. This was possible because drivers overrode the system and drove the trains manually.
This helped to clear the crowd quickly. Checks by The Straits Times at Bishan interchange found that trains went from fully packed at 9.15am to having ample standing room by 9.30am.
Trains on the adjoining Circle Line were running at intervals of as short as two minutes, even though the electronic notice board said four. That helped to dissipate the crowd on the platform that was filled continuously by people transferring from the North-South Line.
In this instance, it is clear the operator managed its recovery process well, and that mitigated the impact of the breakdown somewhat.
The challenge is, of course, to prevent a repeat of such breakdowns. Although the number of breakdowns can never be zero, the rising incidence of electrical faults and fires forms a worrying pattern that cannot be ignored.
Don't know is it because of the combination of passenger load plus the weight of the newer train that cause the surge in the power as it need more power to keep the train moving that causes the cable to melt? I no expert here. But common sense also know that when weight increase, it will need more power to accelerate as compared to the lighter object.
The increase in train weight for newer batch is not very little, it's infact big increase sia, remember reading an article the increase in train weight for the newer batch is about 1/3 of passenger load or somewhere along that line.
Another scenario I can think of is that the track is infested with rats, rats go bite the cable and the cable was not fully bitten off, so this results in sparks and higher then normal resistance that causes the cable to melt.
Edited by Yewheng, 29 November 2015 - 06:14 AM.
My gut feel is that they keep buy newer trains that are heavier by each new batch. Imagine passenger load had been increasing since 1980s when the mrt was 1St completed and with the increased in train weight. Wa lao eh, the load that the track need to take will increase tremendously.
Don't know is it because of the combination of passenger load plus the weight of the newer train that cause the surge in the power as it need more power to keep the train moving that causes the cable to melt? I no expert here. But common sense also know that when weight increase, it will need more power to accelerate as compared to the lighter object.
The increase in train weight for newer batch is not very little, it's infact big increase sia, remember reading an article the increase in train weight for the newer batch is about 1/3 of passenger load or somewhere along that line.
Another scenario I can think of is that the track is infested with rats, rats go bite the cable and the cable was not fully bitten off, so this results in sparks and higher then normal resistance that causes the cable to melt.
You have some interesting theories which are very possible esp the weight one.
That said, those engineers at SMRT/SBS transit should know better n if this is proven they should be shot for sure, hopefully they are reading this or someone pointed out to them this very simple theory for them to put it to bed by proving this is not the case as Khaw has already advocated the engineers to be more street smart!
There is one thing I do not understand. With advancement in technology, the train cabin should be lighter instead of getting so much heavier. Just like cars, cars in the 1980s as compared to cars in 2010s, the latter one is lighter. The engineers are promoting fuel efficient cars and are part of the reason that they design lighter cars. Even though the cars are lighter, they are also stronger then the cars in 1980s.You have some interesting theories which are very possible esp the weight one.
That said, those engineers at SMRT/SBS transit should know better n if this is proven they should be shot for sure, hopefully they are reading this or someone pointed out to them this very simple theory for them to put it to bed by proving this is not the case as Khaw has already advocated the engineers to be more street smart!
Even aeroplane, those engineers are thinking of ways how to reduce plane weight yet is safe and have very strong material. But then, what is smrt, lrt and etc doing? They ordered newer train that is so much heavier then the older one. Funny Right? Even if there are more sensors in the new train, I still think the weight of the train should be put in check. Like computers in 1980s and compared to compared to computers in 2010s, the size and weight different of coz no need to say and we all already know which is the winner.
It seems that smrt, sbs transit are all moving towards backward direction when ordering newer train.
Edited by Yewheng, 29 November 2015 - 09:40 AM.
can afford bigger, faster and lighter train bo?
afford definitely can ... but can make higher profit margin bo if get better train (presumably more expensive)
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It seems that smrt, sbs transit are all moving towards backward direction when ordering newer train.
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Edited by Wt_know, 29 November 2015 - 02:10 PM.
There is one thing I do not understand. With advancement in technology, the train cabin should be lighter instead of getting so much heavier. Just like cars, cars in the 1980s as compared to cars in 2010s, the latter one is lighter. The engineers are promoting fuel efficient cars and are part of the reason that they design lighter cars. Even though the cars are lighter, they are also stronger then the cars in 1980s.
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I think must exclude Toyota Corolla.
The 4th Generation E70 is 855kg whereas the 11th Generation E170 from 1265kg.
But don't forget the car also grown in size.
SMRT award winning rail company.
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And these are the awards just for 2015
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Awards & Accolades
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2015
- Internal Audit Excellence Award
SIAS 16th Investors' Choice Award 2015, Securities Investors Association Singapore
� - Achieving Corporate Ethics Mark
Chartered Institute of Procurement & Supply
� - ISO 55001 : 2014
T�V S�D PSB Pte Ltd
� - Delivering Value in Risk Management
Global Risk Awards 2015, Institute of Risk Management
� - Best Public Sector Campaign (Excellence Winner)
PRISM Awards 2015, Institute of Public Relations of Singapore
� - Plaque of Commendation (Gold)
May Day Awards 2015, National Trade Union Congress (NTUC)
� - Model Partnership Award (Management Category)
May Day Awards 2015, National Trade Union Congress (NTUC)
� - Leading HR Practices in Strategic HR�
Singapore HR Awards, Singapore Human Resources Institute
� - Leading HR Practices in Performance Management
Singapore HR Awards, Singapore Human Resources Institute
� - Leading HR Practices in Employee Relations & People Management
Singapore HR Awards, Singapore Human Resources Institute
� - Leading HR Practices (Special Mention) in Lifelong Learning
Singapore HR Awards, Singapore Human Resources Institute
� - Leading HR Practices (Special Mention) in Compensation & Rewards Management
Singapore HR Awards, Singapore Human Resources Institute
� - Leading HR Practices (Special Mention) in Workplace Safety & Health
Singapore HR Awards, Singapore Human Resources Institute
� - Best Performance & Productivity Practices (Special Recognition)
HRM Awards, Human Resources Magazine (HRM) Asia
� - Best Mature & Re-Employment Practices (Special Recognition)
HRM Awards, Human Resources Magazine (HRM) Asia
Edited by Jamesc, 29 November 2015 - 06:14 PM.
Ownself check ownself award
2015 ownself must grade A liao ... muahahaha
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Ownself check ownself award
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There is one thing I do not understand. With advancement in technology, the train cabin should be lighter instead of getting so much heavier. Just like cars, cars in the 1980s as compared to cars in 2010s, the latter one is lighter. The engineers are promoting fuel efficient cars and are part of the reason that they design lighter cars. Even though the cars are lighter, they are also stronger then the cars in 1980s.
Even aeroplane, those engineers are thinking of ways how to reduce plane weight yet is safe and have very strong material. But then, what is smrt, lrt and etc doing? They ordered newer train that is so much heavier then the older one. Funny Right? Even if there are more sensors in the new train, I still think the weight of the train should be put in check. Like computers in 1980s and compared to compared to computers in 2010s, the size and weight different of coz no need to say and we all already know which is the winner.
It seems that smrt, sbs transit are all moving towards backward direction when ordering newer train.
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There are some conflict in what you say. If let's say buying a train is like buying a car by looking at the specs, there are bound to be compromises.
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Car for example. If say a couple and one of their parents fits in a sedan w/o much issues. But when the couple added a couple of kids and a maid into the picture they will have to consider an MPV or a people carrier. The mpv will most likely be bigger and heavier dan a sedan and require a bigger engine capacity to get the car going. There will be things like safety to consider, things in the car to make the family comfy and happy. I mean buying trains for a larger population dan in the past will be similar to this. Of course it will be heavier coz the train will need a bigger power unit to get it moving with more passengers. Less seats and more standing passengers means tougher and not to mention heavier suspension to hold that many passengers. Like I said there are bound to be compromises. To me the things to consider when buying a car for a bigger family or a train for the masses we face the same dilemma as there's no perfect solution.
Edited by Watwheels, 29 November 2015 - 11:31 PM.
best wayang award�
Edited by Bacteria83, 29 November 2015 - 11:34 PM.
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SMRT award winning rail company.
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And these are the awards just for 2015
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Awards & Accolades
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2015
- Internal Audit Excellence Award
SIAS 16th Investors' Choice Award 2015, Securities Investors Association Singapore
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Chartered Institute of Procurement & Supply
�- ISO 55001 : 2014
T�V S�D PSB Pte Ltd
�- Delivering Value in Risk Management
Global Risk Awards 2015, Institute of Risk Management
�- Best Public Sector Campaign (Excellence Winner)
PRISM Awards 2015, Institute of Public Relations of Singapore
�- Plaque of Commendation (Gold)
May Day Awards 2015, National Trade Union Congress (NTUC)
�- Model Partnership Award (Management Category)
May Day Awards 2015, National Trade Union Congress (NTUC)
�- Leading HR Practices in Strategic HR�
Singapore HR Awards, Singapore Human Resources Institute
�- Leading HR Practices in Performance Management
Singapore HR Awards, Singapore Human Resources Institute
�- Leading HR Practices in Employee Relations & People Management
Singapore HR Awards, Singapore Human Resources Institute
�- Leading HR Practices (Special Mention) in Lifelong Learning
Singapore HR Awards, Singapore Human Resources Institute
�- Leading HR Practices (Special Mention) in Compensation & Rewards Management
Singapore HR Awards, Singapore Human Resources Institute
�- Leading HR Practices (Special Mention) in Workplace Safety & Health
Singapore HR Awards, Singapore Human Resources Institute
�- Best Performance & Productivity Practices (Special Recognition)
HRM Awards, Human Resources Magazine (HRM) Asia
�- Best Mature & Re-Employment Practices (Special Recognition)
HRM Awards, Human Resources Magazine (HRM) Asia�
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With so many awards and achievement, means CEO bonus will increase further this year?
Huat Ah !!! ( for the top management of SMRT only )
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Is SMRT some sort of Management or Recruitment co gunning for d best HR award.<p>SMRT award winning rail company.And these are the awards just for 2015 Awards & Accolades2015
- Internal Audit Excellence AwardSIAS 16th Investors' Choice Award 2015, Securities Investors Association Singapore
- Achieving Corporate Ethics MarkChartered Institute of Procurement & Supply
- ISO 55001 : 2014T�V S�D PSB Pte Ltd
- Delivering Value in Risk ManagementGlobal Risk Awards 2015, Institute of Risk Management
- Best Public Sector Campaign (Excellence Winner)PRISM Awards 2015, Institute of Public Relations of Singapore
- Plaque of Commendation (Gold)May Day Awards 2015, National Trade Union Congress (NTUC)
- Model Partnership Award (Management Category)May Day Awards 2015, National Trade Union Congress (NTUC)
- Leading HR Practices in Strategic HR Singapore HR Awards, Singapore Human Resources Institute
- Leading HR Practices in Performance ManagementSingapore HR Awards, Singapore Human Resources Institute
- Leading HR Practices in Employee Relations & People ManagementSingapore HR Awards, Singapore Human Resources Institute
- Leading HR Practices (Special Mention) in Lifelong LearningSingapore HR Awards, Singapore Human Resources Institute
- Leading HR Practices (Special Mention) in Compensation & Rewards ManagementSingapore HR Awards, Singapore Human Resources Institute
- Leading HR Practices (Special Mention) in Workplace Safety & HealthSingapore HR Awards, Singapore Human Resources Institute
- Best Performance & Productivity Practices (Special Recognition)HRM Awards, Human Resources Magazine (HRM) Asia
- Best Mature & Re-Employment Practices (Special Recognition)HRM Awards, Human Resources Magazine (HRM) Asia
How come no best run public rail or essential service award?
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