mycarforum: ALL consolidated SMRT/NEL/KTM simisai BREAKDOWNS here! part 23

101% agreed with you.

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Nowadays, those so called 'high flyers' who come in into a company base on his qualification would change the culture to suit his style. 'He' will always label those donkeys years culture as "outdated".

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Furthermore, once a company is listed lagi got KPI to ensure money making is above all which let to cutting corners in order to save.

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One of the main culprit in a company with high flyer CEO�is believing that 'one old worker wages could pay for 2�or 3 younger workers' and failing to realise that the older workers have the years of experience with them... ��

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Not say that I am selfish, I myself with years of working�through trial & error learning experience will�not impart�my skill to the younger ones fully. They have to learn through trail & error with guidance from me, not spoon feed. �. My superior did not spoon feed me when I newly joint a company.

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No matter how, those older workers should be recognised as a company asset than KPI .. �

I agree however there is also a flip side to having too many "seasoned" workers not necessary old but had worked for the company 10 over years. Some of them can't accept the change in policy or resistance to change thus hindering the company's continuous growth. In conclusion, our SMEs are just bad at succession planning...

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The management will always use KPIs as a gauge and "remove" older workers that can be replaced by cheaper younger workers. Yes it is true but young workers need a mentor, the older workers should been re-designated as mentors / trainers to these workers. People will grow old it is an act of nature, we cannot stop that but experience can be passed down. Too eager to "remove" the "expensive" older workers will cause the company even more when there is no one to succeed in his position.

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We need to instill mindset that getting old is not the end, we have experience we need to transfer our experience to knowledge for the kids... And we are getting old, we cannot hold on the position forever we have to be replaced by younger staff. Be opened to train them, SMEs need to learn that there should always be a position for the older staff not just blindly retrenched them.

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SMRT lost too many of their seasoned staff too fast too furious, old technology needs old man to know how to repair. New kids on the block will only know the present and future but not the past. We are the past and WE NEED to teach them to value the past...

i'm extremely disappoint with this cow

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look at what he said on his fb

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self congrats and celebrates some bo liao milestone first

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Don't sue me Khaw - this is just hypothetical -�I guess you have a message there?

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"I have 2 staff who sacrificed in the line of work so that you people can have all the efficiency you demanded."

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Is partly our fault cause we always complained MRT breakdown so MP�told the CEO then CEO�informed the Manager then Managers�told the workers "you better worker harder and check more often". Is sad that two young man just passed away because of us.

Government and government enterprises link CEO is getting too complacent

30 years of operation with no live lost doesn't mean they can take safety for granted
Public transport broke down every now and then has become a norm

Junior Lee leadership is weak and he's also too soft with his subordinates

Is partly our fault cause we always complained MRT breakdown so MP�told the CEO then CEO�informed the Manager then Managers�told the workers "you better worker harder and check more often". Is sad that two young man just passed away because of us.

Root cause should go back to SMRT, if they maintain the system properly and no breakdown happened, nobody will complain at all.

Is partly our fault cause we always complained MRT breakdown so MP�told the CEO then CEO�informed the Manager then Managers�told the workers "you better worker harder and check more often". Is sad that two young man just passed away because of us.

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not sure if you are being sarcastic in your statement and i do hope it is...

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to me this is very simple.... SMRT and SBS are transport companies and they are providing a service to the nation's citizens and not a "money tree" for their shareholders where repairs and maintenance are cost centers so do the minimal while marketing and advertising are their profit centers so they focus on it to pay good dividends.

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If they cannot give a good service then it is correct for their customers/consumers to make a point to pull their socks. Besides, if they had set a concrete objective to service the nation instead of the pockets of shareholders, this thread wouldn't appear in the first place...

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The 2 poor Singapore sons who passed away yesterday are due to poor work safety measures (or HSSEQ guidelines). Seriously, SMRT is like apple, shiny on it outside (where CEO once ownself grade ownself as a B) but rotten in the core....

I think we are still very much into the finger pointing culture in Singapore. Fast to point finger but slow to identify the root problem.

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And we are also very rigid with top down rather than bottom up management. Many a times, the ground men and women knows more than the office sitting management. Suggestions should be bottom up and not top down, SOP reviews need to be done together with the staff and not just sitting in office and "magically" come out with a revised SOP to "answer" to the board... SOP reviews takes at least half a year to complete however it would be consider as inefficient because it takes too long so now everything takes shortcut... This is complacency at its peak...

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SOP reviews have just been degraded as a paper exercise, zero value, no one bothers to read and i wouldn't be surprised if some staff ask - IS THERE A SOP? So it is not just the management to make a company works, every single staff has to take the responsibilities.

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Singapore had encountered the worst flood (ponding whatever), worst riots (Little India), worst outbreak (SGH), worst training incident (SAF), worst lift accident (HDB) etc and yet we are only concern with the CEOs / Ministers salaries...

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14 staff gone on tracks, yet only 2 gets killed? Why? And on top of that both were newbies... Someone is definitely not following something... I'm more interested in finding out the reason than to do finger pointing at this point in time.

Edited by Carnoob, 23 March 2016 - 09:45 AM.

Is partly our fault cause we always complained MRT breakdown so MP�told the CEO then CEO�informed the Manager then Managers�told the workers "you better worker harder and check more often". Is sad that two young man just passed away because of us.

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Maybe that is what the minister is trying to imply when he state the 100 days record before the deaths of the two workers. Maybe he wanted us to think like you, that the train is reliable but these workers have been risking their lives so that the trains can meet our requirements.

not sure if you are being sarcastic in your statement and i do hope it is...

to me this is very simple.... SMRT and SBS are transport companies and they are providing a service to the nation's citizens and not a "money tree" for their shareholders where repairs and maintenance are cost centers so do the minimal while marketing and advertising are their profit centers so they focus on it to pay good dividends.

If they cannot give a good service then it is correct for their customers/consumers to make a point to pull their socks. Besides, if they had set a concrete objective to service the nation instead of the pockets of shareholders, this thread wouldn't appear in the first place...

The 2 poor Singapore sons who passed away yesterday are due to poor work safety measures (or HSSEQ guidelines). Seriously, SMRT is like apple, shiny on it outside (where CEO once ownself grade ownself as a B) but rotten in the core....

No la. You think too much

Correct me if I am wrong, I get the feeling that he is insinuating that if not for the 2 deaths, they would have gone beyond 150days disruption free?

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I cannot say you are right or wrong because very soon someone from the heavenly castle will appear saying that the statement made is taken out of context....

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so in other words, they ownself can understand ownself and what we mortal beings concluded are all taken out of context.... so it is hard to define if your statement is correct.

No la. You think too much

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ok.. thank you for the reply

Hey guys, can anyone tell me on which track does the trains travel on in it's daily operations? Left or right?

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From the photo of the accident, it seems that the SMRT technicians/engineers were walking with their backs facing the oncoming trains.

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What you think? If I remember correctly, the trains run on the left track?

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Pasir Ris is the last stop. Therefore the trains should be moving in both directions along that part of the line.

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Which is probably why they had a signal guy there.

not sure if you are being sarcastic in your statement and i do hope it is...

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to me this is very simple.... SMRT and SBS are transport companies and they are providing a service to the nation's citizens and not a "money tree" for their shareholders where repairs and maintenance are cost centers so do the minimal while marketing and advertising are their profit centers so they focus on it to pay good dividends.

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If they cannot give a good service then it is correct for their customers/consumers to make a point to pull their socks. Besides, if they had set a concrete objective to service the nation instead of the pockets of shareholders, this thread wouldn't appear in the first place...

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The 2 poor Singapore sons who passed away yesterday are due to poor work safety measures (or HSSEQ guidelines). Seriously, SMRT is like apple, shiny on it outside (where CEO once ownself grade ownself as a B) but rotten in the core....

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Privatisation and competition. The 2 myths that contributed to our current state of train services.

dun even need to point finger,

confirm plus chop, not the ceo fault

Pasir Ris is the last stop. Therefore the trains should be moving in both directions along that part of the line.

Which is probably why they had a signal guy there.

Oh, my bad. I kept thinking there are stations beyond pasir ris.

Is partly our fault cause we always complained MRT breakdown so MP�told the CEO then CEO�informed the Manager then Managers�told the workers "you better worker harder and check more often". Is sad that two young man just passed away because of us.

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If they did not let the system deteriorate to this state, then they would not have needed to play catch up with maintenance now. �I don't see how this can be partly our fault.

Saw this.

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How can you be still walking along the path, when you see a train coming ?

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The first thing to do is to stop, assuming the 1st guy is the leader and most experienced, and shift your body out of the way nearer the left and not continue walking, until the train has passed.

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Edited by Kb27, 23 March 2016 - 10:20 AM.

Is partly our fault cause we always complained MRT breakdown so MP�told the CEO then CEO�informed the Manager then Managers�told the workers "you better worker harder and check more often". Is sad that two young man just passed away because of us.

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Only those who are inconvenient will complaint & KPKB ....

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Past incidents and yesterday incident were totally different scenario, not linked.

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Yesterday incident is purely negligent in the part of "Safety" protocol. Its either let the train complete the journey to Pasir Ris�station and the maintenance team move into the track or stop the train from leaving the last station so that the maintenance team can get to the 'control box'.

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Delay is a definite from the last station to Pasir Ris station and expect some ppls kpkb�but at least the maintenance team get to the point safely. �� :ignoring:

Oh, my bad. I kept thinking there are stations beyond pasir ris.

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you dont take train very often hor ?� :XD:

you dont take train very often hor ?�

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most MCFers don't mah :grin:

Saw this.

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How can you be still walking along the path, when you see a train coming ?

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The first thing to do is to stop, assuming the 1st guy is the leader and most experienced, and shift your body out of the way nearer the left and not continue walking, until the train has passed.

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Agree w you... strange that the train still moving while got people on the tracks... and there were 15 of them.. surely the train driver can see this long group of people on the tracks, and he shld slow down to a crawl when approaching the station...

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Also, strange out of the 15, only the 2nd and 3rd in line got hit.. the 1st supervisor what happened to him? and the 4th to 15th guys how?

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like you said, natural reaction to seeing an on-coming vehicle is to siam to the side to avoid being hit, so its strange the 2 poor souls kena hit...

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something just dun add up....

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Scenarios

1) the train is approaching fast, no time to react and slow down = no comm to the train driver that there is a grp walking on the tracks?

2) the supervisor saw the oncoming train and jumped aside or lie prone hugging the side wall, so he didn't get hit

3) the 2nd n 3rd guy saw too late the train and cant jump aside or fell onto the tracks = kena

4) the 4th to 15th guys saw the train coming and ran back to the station...

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somewhere there is a breakdown, and it cost the lives of these 2 trainees... RIP to them and condolences to their families...

I see that if they have stopped the train service to investigate each of these sensor flagged anomaly on the track, they would not have reached the 150 disruption free days as proudly celebrated and announced by our $8/heart surgery minister.

In another words, absolute safety (disrupt train service to maintain track) gives way to relative safety (continue maintaining track at supposedly mitigated personal risk to the service crew) in the name of meeting KPI.

Sad day for public transport in Singapore.

The sad thing is its fuel by u and me. Just look at this thread and Facebook around. A bit of delay only u will see so many people kpkb and want head to row. End of the day the causes of such practise are u and me.

Is partly our fault cause we always complained MRT breakdown so MP�told the CEO then CEO�informed the Manager then Managers�told the workers "you better worker harder and check more often". Is sad that two young man just passed away because of us.

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There is no excuse for safety.

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Until we learn safety is above all, including time pressure to solve a problem, we continue to take unnecessary risks.

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Perhaps, it's our culture:

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We tends to jump into a piece of work without much planning, without a plan B.

We make mistakes and jump back out and then in again.

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AMDK culture is to spend time to plan that piece of work, have a plan B, an escape route.

Then they go in once and finished a job.

101% agreed with you.

Nowadays, those so called 'high flyers' who come in into a company base on his qualification would change the culture to suit his style. 'He' will always label those donkeys years culture as "outdated".

Furthermore, once a company is listed lagi got KPI to ensure money making is above all which let to cutting corners in order to save.

One of the main culprit in a company with high flyer CEO is believing that 'one old worker wages could pay for 2 or 3 younger workers' and failing to realise that the older workers have the years of experience with them...

Not say that I am selfish, I myself with years of working through trial & error learning experience will not impart my skill to the younger ones fully. They have to learn through trail & error with guidance from me, not spoon feed. . My superior did not spoon feed me when I newly joint a company.

No matter how, those older workers should be recognised as a company asset than KPI ..

What to do. Just look at Apple. Under Tim Cook it become a you want what i give what company. no longer a innovative company now compare to jobs era.

What to do. Just look at Apple. Under Tim Cook it become a you want what i give what company. no longer a innovative company now compare to jobs era.

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As much as I admire Cook as a humanitarian and as an operations wiz... I admit that recently, Apple have dropped the ball in terms of quality of software, choices of hardware, designs, etc. The product line-up is a complete mess...�

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They have lost focus... as Jobs always famously said, was needed.

Edited by ins1dious, 23 March 2016 - 10:53 AM.

As much as I admire Cook as a humanitarian and as an operations wiz... I admit that recently, Apple have dropped the ball in terms of quality of software, choices of hardware, designs, etc. The product line-up is a complete mess...

They have lost focus... as Jobs always famously said, was needed.

It's sad. But the good thing for Apple is jobs legacy is still working and their product are still smoother to use. But for how Long I wonder.

There is no excuse for safety.

Until we learn safety is above all, including time pressure to solve a problem, we continue to take unnecessary risks.

Perhaps, it's our culture:

We tends to jump into a piece of work without much planning, without a plan B.
We make mistakes and jump back out and then in again.

AMDK culture is to spend time to plan that piece of work, have a plan B, an escape route.
Then they go in once and finished a job.

Amdk push the safety portion to Asia Liao. That's their plan B.

The sad thing is its fuel by u and me. Just look at this thread and Facebook around. A bit of delay only u will see so many people kpkb and want head to row. End of the day the causes of such practise are u and me.

No its not. The companies have their own performance and operational kpis, failure rates, etc to comply with. Those are cast in stone benchmarked against industry standards. Meanwhile complaints are just hot air and easier to manage. Commuters do have the right to complain if its justified, and the majority is. Commuters pay to take the train hor, not foc.

Smrt is for profit. Commuters provide revenue.

Seriously I look at such comments I do not know what to say. The railway tracks are built back in the 80s to 90s, maintainence crew have been in and out of it for so many years w/o mishap. In this case something must have happened out of the norm for it to cause death.

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I think ppl need to relax and chill. Just wait for the detail investigation report and not blow things up for no good reason. For ppl to go OMG or get angry won't help anyone. Let ppl do their job to find out what actually happen.

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so this action is inherently risky and thank God nothing has happened so far. �

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�maintainence crew have been in and out of it for so many years w/o mishap � �--> � � �you try telling these to the deceaseds' parents� [thumbsup]

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this is a forum for people to discuss. period.�

Edited by Othello, 23 March 2016 - 12:58 PM.

so this action is inherently risky and thank God nothing has happened so far.

maintainence crew have been in and out of it for so many years w/o mishap --> you try telling these to the deceased parents

this is a forum for people to discuss. period.

Period come every 28-30 days depend on individual. Why need to discuss period?

If this graphic is correctly projected, the first man MUST be the "old bird" and he done it many times to confidently "walked" passed a whooshing train... while the "new birds" who had never come across such "safety protocol" panic and wobbled thus hit by the train...

So my theory of SOP reviews being only a paper exercise IS SUBSTANTIATED. Haiz... SUPER DUPER COMPLACENT... This kind of confident can't be passed down, it takes practice to have that level of confidence like the first man...

If you knew the train would be passing you shortly so close to you, wouldn't you stop and lean on the other side. I believe any sane people no matter how confident would not walk head on to a moving train.

Anyway, for the body to be pin under the train, most likely the hit is head on, and for the driver not to realize what he hit, the incident must have happen very last minutes.

Unless there are cctv clear enough or good account from the other crews, it will be very difficult to ascertain what happen.

yeah. would be better if have some sort of barrier. maybe fainted ?�

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A barrier if not made from concrete unlikely stable enough. The train rushing past in close proximity would loosen up most temporary barriers placed so close right.

Ideally of course the tracks could be made larger, but this is a constraint set by people who built this 30+ years ago.

Maybe one of the guys was pulled by the other guy doing something (fainting or panicked movement). Haiz suay lah, these guys.

no other company/boss would approve my flexi-schedule. Anyway, i have accepted it. so .............

Hmm... Did u have a pay reduction a few years ago??

Training ?

For newbies, there should have been a simple training on walking the track.
If you see a train coming, stop, turn around, face and hug the wall or barricade and wait for it to pass.
Something like that.

I guess the training part is missing.

If there are sections of the track without barricade and extremely dangerous to stand there, then the operations management should have seen it coming and do something long time ago.
If they have not done something, then someone has to bear the responsibilities.

This is just like passengers who dropped down on the track at some stations, bcuz some wise guy didn't think it was necessary to have barricades and want to save money.

Again we talk about dropped on the track. Which country do barricades but Singapore?

If not for the accident, people will say over government is a joke to build the barricade.

clever people can also make stupid mistakes. No different from stupid people.�

Ok lah.�

At first i thought these men got electrocuted, sigh being hit by a train...

Doesn't matter to the dead guy, but dam terrible for the families.

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Clever people make stupid mistakes but stupid people do stupid things.

Speaking of this.

How come cyclist dun have to give me 1.5m when overtaking me?

What car do you drive?

Even a swift is 1.7m....

Errr. My car wider lah. I talking about Renault single seater I saw at wave the other day.

Again we talk about dropped on the track. Which country do barricades but Singapore?

If not for the accident, people will say over government is a joke to build the barricade.

The worse thing is that after the barricade is up, people still fell in the gap between the platform and the train.

I know it's SMRT and everyone loves to politicise these things, but I can't help but�view this as just another unfortunate industrial accident.

I know it's SMRT and everyone loves to politicise these things, but I can't help but�view this as just another unfortunate industrial accident.

Same here.

Bro, 1.5m

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his basic theory bo pard� :secret-laugh:

your car got curtain too correct ??? dont learn too much from Jack Neo

u will be thrown outward . not inward . bec of the momentum of the train.

??? whats that ? near your place ?

just happen to go there and ask what happened

one of the guy told me it was the funeral of the mrt employee. everyone looks damn sad

just happen to go there and ask what happened

one of the guy told me it was the funeral of the mrt employee. everyone looks damn sad

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ohhh .............. at ur work place or home place ?�

ohhh .............. at ur work place or home place ?�

Neither lah. Pple stay D9 �area... :ph34r:

ohhh .............. at ur work place or home place ?

I went to visit sabian cos wanted to piak piak with him.

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