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ALL consolidated SMRT/NEL/KTM simisai BREAKDOWNS here! part 32

  • 31 May 2016 - 07:12 PM
    Vratenza

    Like how PAP lost it's mojo in GE2011?

    :grin:

    http://www.sgcarmart...e.php?AID=14983

    Singapore's rail system has lost its 'mojo' but it is working hard to regain its earlier standing, said Transport Minister Khaw Boon Wan yesterday.�

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  • 31 May 2016 - 09:25 PM
    Yewheng

    Khaw blames distracted management for rail issues

    SINGAPORE � In hard-hitting remarks about the state of Singapore�s rail reliability, Transport Minister Khaw Boon Wan said on Monday (May 30)�that �complacency and certainly distracted management� led to the current state of affairs, as he outlined areas the rail operators need to shape up in.

    .....

    http://www.todayonli...ail-reliability

    ?Quite a number of major train fault are related to power traction fault, so aren't it is clear it got to do with power loading?�

    They still believed it is due to maintenance issue? Maintenance maybe part of it, but I think they need to resolve the power loading issue at greater urgency.


  • 31 May 2016 - 09:27 PM
    Blueray

    ?Quite a number of major train fault are related to power traction fault, so aren't it is clear it got to do with power loading?�

    They still believed it is due to maintenance issue? Maintenance maybe part of it, but I think they need to resolve the power loading issue at greater urgency.

    that's why they have taken 2 trains out of service to reduce loading.

    whether it helps or not only time will tell.


  • 31 May 2016 - 09:29 PM
    Yewheng

    that's why they have taken 2 trains out of service to reduce loading.

    whether it helps or not only time will tell.

    They take out 2 but still seems like they still more focus on maintenance. Yes lack of maintenance could be a cause, but if too over focus on the wrong aspect, then no matter what they do the fault will still occur.


  • 31 May 2016 - 09:33 PM
    Blueray

    They take out 2 but still seems like they still more focus on maintenance. Yes lack of maintenance could be a cause, but if too over focus on the wrong aspect, then no matter what they do the fault will still occur.

    my personal feel is that the system has been in neglect for so long and now all the issues are surfacing ... but they dunno which issue to tackle first ...�

    even aircon also pai ...

    sleeper replacement already too quite awhile to do.


  • 31 May 2016 - 09:48 PM
    Kb27

    Distracted management ?

    Their KPI is to make money.


  • 01 June 2016 - 07:44 AM
    Mustank

    Like how PAP lost it's mojo in GE2011?

    :grin:

    Lost mojo? You got to joking
    70% is hardly losing any mojo :XD: :XD: :XD:
  • 01 June 2016 - 08:00 AM
    Yewheng

    my personal feel is that the system has been in neglect for so long and now all the issues are surfacing ... but they dunno which issue to tackle first ...

    even aircon also pai ...

    sleeper replacement already too quite awhile to do.


    They replacing sleeper and seems like no much improvement. The real cause of the breakdown is not directly linked to sleeper and yet what happened? Few years back they already concluded it should be the wooden sleeper that need replacement to the concrete one. End of the day still the same.

    They are just running headless chicken. It's as if they thought they found the solution to the problem, but in fact the root cause of the problem is not found yet.

    So now they are looking to experts in Taiwan to look into maintenance issue? I think they should be more focus on what is causing the problem which is power traction issue. This one need more urgency. Hopefully the experts in Taiwan can come down and give them a good lecture and pin point what exactly is the problem and make sure these people are super on the ball. Unable to take the stress out they go.
  • 01 June 2016 - 08:09 AM
    Mustank
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  • 01 June 2016 - 08:13 AM
    Vratenza

    Not I say one... :D

    GE2011 was the first time since 1991 that the popular vote won by the PAP dropped by more than one standard deviation from the mean of the PAP�s popular vote (68.7%) since independence. In other words, the PAP�s popular vote of 60.1% was below the average variation of the PAP�s popular vote since 1965. The last time this happened as in GE1991, when the PAP received 61% of the popular vote, even though the PAP popular vote has been on a general downward trend since GE1968, when it received 84.4% of the popular vote.
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    Anyway, GE2011 was the GE that the wanton population increase, FT influx, transport and housing issues all contributed to the reduction of the winning percentage for PAP...that was the year a GRC was first lost...and that was the year the MOJO was lost baby... :D

    Lost mojo? You got to joking
    70% is hardly losing any mojo :XD: :XD: :XD:


    Edited by Vratenza, 01 June 2016 - 08:15 AM.

  • 01 June 2016 - 08:55 AM
    13177

    They replacing sleeper and seems like no much improvement. The real cause of the breakdown is not directly linked to sleeper and yet what happened? Few years back they already concluded it should be the wooden sleeper that need replacement to the concrete one. End of the day still the same.

    They are just running headless chicken. It's as if they thought they found the solution to the problem, but in fact the root cause of the problem is not found yet.

    So now they are looking to experts in Taiwan to look into maintenance issue? I think they should be more focus on what is causing the problem which is power traction issue. This one need more urgency. Hopefully the experts in Taiwan can come down and give them a good lecture and pin point what exactly is the problem and make sure these people are super on the ball. Unable to take the stress out they go.

    Quite true, the upgrading works that smrt is doing now, they thought train will improve and breakdown will be reduce or no more after all these upgrade works have completed. But so far seems like they have not started in tackling the power fault problem, and maybe they are waiting for another major power fault breakdown again?!

    Though smrt wants to follow HK mtr system, but now they want to follow Taiwan mrt system? Think smrt also don't know what they want ah?


    Edited by 13177, 01 June 2016 - 09:07 AM.

  • 01 June 2016 - 09:01 AM
    Mason016

    Quite true, the upgrading works that smrt is doing now, though train will improve and breakdown will be reduce or no more after all these upgrade works have completed. But so far seems like they have no started in tackling the power fault problem, and maybe they are waiting for another major power fault breakdown again?!

    Though smrt wants to follow HK mtr system, but now they want to follow Taiwan mrt system? Think smrt also don't know what they want ah?

    More like some policy person don't want to say we follow Hong Kong because a lot of commenters say that Hong Kong better than us.� So�he find some other country that is better, so it becomes�his original�idea!

    KPI fulfilled, PB x 5 mths, AO�allowance X5 mths. [laugh][laugh]


    Edited by Mason016, 01 June 2016 - 09:02 AM.

  • 01 June 2016 - 09:06 AM
    Roadrunner2029

    As I mentioned before, I believe Taipei MTR commuter volumes are lower than Singapore, and Singapore is lower than Hong Kong and Japan -- more commuters and more reliable.


  • 01 June 2016 - 09:07 AM
    Blueray

    Quite true, the upgrading works that smrt is doing now, though train will improve and breakdown will be reduce or no more after all these upgrade works have completed. But so far seems like they have no started in tackling the power fault problem, and maybe they are waiting for another major power fault breakdown again?!

    Though smrt wants to follow HK mtr system, but now they want to follow Taiwan mrt system? Think smrt also don't know what they want ah?

    very simpur ...

    SBS Transit follow HK system

    SMRT follow TW system�

    one year later review see which one betterer ....� [:p]

    when are these people actually getting down to solving problems themselves

    - paid external consultants and recommendation already out few months ago

    - tie up with NTU also spend money

    - now TW

    seriously, this is something that is internal and normal maintenance and upkeep as SOP as breathing. everything also have to ask outsider and see how outsider do. wtf.

    bunch of clowns, well paid ones some more ...� :a-no:


  • 01 June 2016 - 09:09 AM
    Vratenza

    Mr Tan owns a 7-year old car.

    1st 3 years of ownership under AD warranty, so religiously go do servicing attend recalls.

    4th year onwards got complacent and decided that he rather spend his money on pimping the ride with decals, mods and cosmetic enhancements. He forewent all his regular servicing.

    6th year ownership saw his car starting to have hiccups, rattles and minor breakdowns. He just do quick fixes to sort out that immediate problem.

    7th year ownership, the car starts to have major incidents of breaking down, even when he was travelling on the highway. The workshop advised him that due to years of neglect and lack of proper regular servicing, his car requires a total overhaul eg. change transmission, �engine overhaul, suspension change, electrical wiring harness change.

    Mr Tan was not convinced he need to do all these things, so he chose �to do piecemeal quick fixes as per usual. The major breakdowns continue to persist at the chagrin of his family members and other road users affected by his frequent breakdowns.

    Sound familiar? :D


  • 01 June 2016 - 09:10 AM
    13177

    very simpur ...

    SBS Transit follow HK system

    SMRT follow TW system�

    one year later review see which one betterer ....� [:p]

    when are these people actually getting down to solving problems themselves

    - paid external consultants and recommendation already out few months ago

    - tie up with NTU also spend money

    - now TW

    seriously, this is something that is internal and normal maintenance and upkeep as SOP as breathing. everything also have to ask outsider and see how outsider do. wtf.

    bunch of clowns, well paid ones some more ...� :a-no:

    Think this is how sg works, always like to ask outsider. That's why they can implemented the FTs policy, bring in outsiders to fill up jobs here!? [rolleyes]


  • 01 June 2016 - 09:25 AM
    Jellandross
    I still remember on my biz trips to Taipei 10 years ago, my colleague there told me how much they admired our MRT system and had so much to learn from us.

    It just shows how fast and how much things can be screwed up by bad decisions of a few bad eggs. The most amazing thing is obviously not a single person including the CEO and the board of directors were taken to task for approving the chain of bad executive decisions.

    This trend of no-blame culture is going to spell our downfall in future if allowed to fester and spread.

    Edited by Jellandross, 01 June 2016 - 09:28 AM.

  • 01 June 2016 - 09:38 AM
    Vratenza

    I always thought PAP style is �OXO?

    Ownself [X*] Ownself?

    *Substitute X with anything: praise, assess, rate, judge

    Think this is how sg works, always like to ask outsider. That's why they can implemented the FTs policy, bring in outsiders to fill up jobs here!? [rolleyes]


  • 01 June 2016 - 09:42 AM
    13177

    I still remember on my biz trips to Taipei 10 years ago, my colleague there told me how much they admired our MRT system and had so much to learn from us.

    It just shows how fast and how much things can be screwed up by bad decisions of a few bad eggs. The most amazing thing is obviously not a single person including the CEO and the board of directors were taken to task for approving the chain of bad executive decisions.

    This trend of no-blame culture is going to spell our downfall in future if allowed to fester and spread.

    10 years ago was around 2006, back then our FTs open door policy, population still haven't fully increased yet, mrt surely is so much better. Think the problems in our mrt now is due to�these reasons, poor maintenance, overly increase of population and the train system is not being built to cater such high capacity.


  • 01 June 2016 - 10:02 AM
    Jman888

    10 years ago was around 2006, back then our FTs open door policy, population still haven't fully increased yet, mrt surely is so much better. Think the problems in our mrt now is due to�these reasons, poor maintenance, overly increase of population and the train system is not being built to cater such high capacity.

    i notice since the LTA regulate the vehicles that use for ferry FW, many company has chosen not to do that any more but to ask the workers to take public transport. Hence you will see many of them using the bus and train before 730am (clash with the student and others) , this is because if they reach before 745am, some stations are free and the other at discounted fare.


  • 01 June 2016 - 10:44 AM
    Jayy25

    Quite true, the upgrading works that smrt is doing now, they thought train will improve and breakdown will be reduce or no more after all these upgrade works have completed. But so far seems like they have not started in tackling the power fault problem, and maybe they are waiting for another major power fault breakdown again?!

    Though smrt wants to follow HK mtr system, but now they want to follow Taiwan mrt system? Think smrt also don't know what they want ah?

    you sure they dont know what they want..

    they probably want to justify how to increase fares and year by year increment of revenue %

    so they probably now looking for a better beachmark to follow suit so that next fare revision, they can proudly say we are on par with HK/Japan/Taiwan railway standards.. so Pass me the money to upkeep it.


  • 01 June 2016 - 11:44 AM
    Ken138
    HK MTR std too high.. They know they cannot make it so choose a easier target to hit..
    The Singapore brand used to be widely respected around the world.. Nowadays, mrt here breakdowns is like usual.. Lifts breakdown after inspection also common.. Newly install glass at Newly open museum can shatter.. Lights up trees can go on fire..
    What is happening ?? Think we better take a gd lookn ponder..
    Have we lose our sight & mojo everywhere ? :(
  • 01 June 2016 - 12:45 PM
    13177

    you sure they dont know what they want..

    they probably want to justify how to increase fares and year by year increment of revenue %

    so they probably now looking for a better beachmark to follow suit so that next fare revision, they can proudly say we are on par with HK/Japan/Taiwan railway standards.. so Pass me the money to upkeep it.

    Maybe you are right. No matter what upgrade works they are doing now, which mrt system they are adopting from, ultimately profits still their priority on the list. I would not be surprise in future�they will collect back all the money from commuters that�they have spend on the current upgrading works that they have done.


  • 01 June 2016 - 12:51 PM
    Yewheng

    Maybe you are right. No matter what upgrade works they are doing now, which mrt system they are adopting from, ultimately profits still their priority on the list. I would not be surprise in future they will collect back all the money from commuters that they have spend on the current upgrading works that they have done.


    Profit of coz must have la, but can't we learnt from investigation team that investigate aircrash, see how professional they are that most of the investigation they found the root cause of problem and then sent to Boeing or airbus to rectify it. Human error, they highlight and then the training programme will include on these kind of scenario.

    But look what what smrt, lta had done? Investigation done and end up root cause problem not solved and still running headless chicken. How can? If these were the people who investigate aircrash, I believe now flying will be very unsafe as there are a lot of manufacturing defects, human error etc that causes the crash are not found yet.
  • 01 June 2016 - 01:12 PM
    13177

    Looks like it is LTA that cannot make it, so it leads to smrt also cannot make it. Since LTA is the one who administrate the whole public transport, smrt also listen and take cue from them.


  • 01 June 2016 - 07:22 PM
    Yewheng
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    Again power fault.
  • 01 June 2016 - 07:38 PM
    Vratenza
    LRT this time. Not too bad already....

    See... We are lowering our expectations to meet THEIR standards liao...
  • 01 June 2016 - 07:50 PM
    Ktglfc

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    Again power fault.

    2 days ago announced news, and then things happen ...

    We really need to learn from Taiwan ... whether they have LRT or not :D

    Anyway, hope MCF bros and families are not affected ...


  • 04 June 2016 - 09:16 AM
    Atonchia
    http://www.straitsti...ay-by-nearly-20

    What's the point of the report?
    Will commuters be happy?
    I don't think even shareholders will feel happy or confident too.
  • 04 June 2016 - 09:19 AM
    Carbon82

    http://www.straitsti...ay-by-nearly-20

    What's the point of the report?
    Will commuters be happy?
    I don't think even shareholders will feel happy or confident too.

    One word: Wayang.

    At that kind of pay level, the shortfall is even less than a "peanut" or to put it perspective, price of say a S400, that it. Buy next year lor...

    He is still awarded the same amount of share by the way, and once the reliability improved,share rice increased, he will still Huat !

    Edited by Carbon82, 04 June 2016 - 09:27 AM.

  • 04 June 2016 - 09:28 AM
    Atonchia

    One word: Wayang.

    At that kind of pay level, the shortfall is even less than a "peanut" or to put it perspective, price of say a Mercedes, that it.

    That's what I thought so too.
    Just 2 big fines from LTA will have exceeded the payout to Desmond Kuek.

    Investors would rather hear what is the string of measures that will prevent major breakdown and minimise the probability of getting fined by LTA as well as not affecting the mobility of the nation.
  • 04 June 2016 - 09:59 AM
    Kusje

    No good then just change him out for someone to do the job.

    Cut pay is just wayang!


  • 04 June 2016 - 10:14 AM
    Janling3

    I would recommend free ridership as the most rewarding bonus to commuter on top of fine from LTA. Afterall, the commuters are the ones who suffer the most in the event non-operational train service, not LTA, not CEO. IMHO, pay cut of its CEO is irrelevant to commuters. But it will be if the cut is given back to commuters in the form of ridership. He he he....�


  • 04 June 2016 - 11:20 AM
    Datsun366
    I remember over the radio something about a team going over to Taipei to learn problem mgmt from them, re MRT.

    How many of you here were around in 1997 and remember the 'teething' problems of their MRT system.
    Supposedly at that time there was public acknowledgement that we helped to bring their system up.

    Wah the horrors of the Taipei MRT at that time. Really transparent news report onTV, I recall, after a thunderstorm, your light tubes hanging off the roof, equipment not working, misalignment. Jialat plus plus. I remember this because after the report, someone said to me that your country helped to develop...

    Now, going back to learn? Good idea, it was a pretty mess back then. And if you know their culture, same la same la.

    Who took the first public MRT rides in Taipei? Right here got one.

    He is trying, come on. Be nice.

    Edited by Datsun366, 04 June 2016 - 11:20 AM.

  • 04 June 2016 - 11:55 AM
    Joseph22

    HK MTR std too high.. They know they cannot make it so choose a easier target to hit..
    The Singapore brand used to be widely respected around the world.. Nowadays, mrt here breakdowns is like usual.. Lifts breakdown after inspection also common.. Newly install glass at Newly open museum can shatter.. Lights up trees can go on fire..
    What is happening ?? Think we better take a gd lookn ponder..
    Have we lose our sight & mojo everywhere ? :(

    The answer so obvious. If they don't go for the cheapest bid u have citizen kpkb say eat money. Or carrot why spend so much. So now all lowest quote now all problem come in Lor.. What to do? Go for reliable but expensive brand will kenna left right center from citizen why any how spend.
  • 04 June 2016 - 12:40 PM
    Ktglfc

    http://www.straitsti...ay-by-nearly-20

    What's the point of the report?
    Will commuters be happy?
    I don't think even shareholders will feel happy or confident too.


    They don't really care abt commuters lah...
    They only care abt their fat pockets ...
    This year is lower as compared to last year... But still very high despite not really reducing the breakdown frequency ....

    Anyway, after another 2-3 years, he will step down to pass the baton to another person, while he retires a multi millionaire
  • 04 June 2016 - 07:55 PM
    Ken138
    Go for reliable expensive brands like 2k bikes via questionable tender ? Or $500 office chairs can solve ? :)
    Am not saying cheap or expensive is gd but need to be fit for appropriate purpose ... This tax payers $$ !!
  • 04 June 2016 - 08:25 PM
    Kb27

    No good then just change him out for someone to do the job.

    Cut pay is just wayang!

    Yeah, plenty of paper generals around to pick from.


  • 04 June 2016 - 09:16 PM
    Atonchia

    HK MTR std too high.. They know they cannot make it so choose a easier target to hit..
    The Singapore brand used to be widely respected around the world.. Nowadays, mrt here breakdowns is like usual.. Lifts breakdown after inspection also common.. Newly install glass at Newly open museum can shatter.. Lights up trees can go on fire..
    What is happening ?? Think we better take a gd lookn ponder..
    Have we lose our sight & mojo everywhere ? :(

    Could it be my generation, aka the post independence generation really had less conviction than the older generation?

    Or did we outsource too much of our responsibilities to 3rd party that we lost control?

    Because I feel once we outsource a function within an organisation, we seemed to have a diminished responsibility to that function.

    But SMRT didn't outsource to 3rd party contractors. ???
  • 04 June 2016 - 09:21 PM
    Atonchia
    We do know LTA outsourced the public transport service to SMRT. But now decided to rein in control.

    Edited by Atonchia, 04 June 2016 - 09:22 PM.

  • 05 June 2016 - 09:24 AM
    Vratenza

    I say... just bite the bullet, do a "rethink of policy" and take back public transport under LTA.

    Sack the CEO, claw back past bonus/salary to take SMRT off public listing.


  • 05 June 2016 - 10:47 AM
    Davidtch

    I say... just bite the bullet, do a "rethink of policy" and take back public transport under LTA.

    Sack the CEO, claw back past bonus/salary to take SMRT off public listing.

    How about DTL & NEL?
  • 05 June 2016 - 10:53 AM
    Vratenza

    Not sure man.... maybe the delisted SMRT will be the "example" for the rest to buck up and keep their lines well maintained and run.

    If they continue to run well, let them be or else LTA should have no qualms about taking them back.

    Anyway, haven't the years of "competition" between the 2 train operators shown that there is no such thing? Machiam I can choose to take the NEL instead of NSL to get from Yishun to Bishan....

    How about DTL & NEL?


  • 05 June 2016 - 11:27 AM
    Staff69

    I say... just bite the bullet, do a "rethink of policy" and take back public transport under LTA.

    Sack the CEO, claw back past bonus/salary to take SMRT off public listing.



    all these are the by right way

    but if delist then how the famiLEEY and friends earn from the shares unless u want them to follow ??
  • 06 June 2016 - 09:24 AM
    Watwheels

    Think he has been smiling since first day of work in smrt until now. Lol. Even though there are numerous breakdown and even death involved under his leadership.

    What leadership? [laugh]


  • 06 June 2016 - 11:58 AM
    Still2016

    One other problem is everybody is making million dollar salary when the average / median salary is just above $2000 or $3000. Really who dare to be a "hero" and implement drastic changes to the system that has no guarantee that can be fixed in double quick time.

    Unless, I got father who is very rich and I know for sure I will inherit, and got iron balls, I would be like them, follow the motion, incremental improvements until something else distracts the public, in the mean time, be thick skin smile for the camera, and collect fat salary and ballooning CPF contributions.� Huat Ah.

    [laugh]

    FYI

    Statistics show that most "hero" die young. "Yes man" lives longer especially in the corporate world.


  • 06 June 2016 - 12:07 PM
    Vratenza

    1 year bonus already more than enough to max out his CPF contribution limit across OA/SA/Medisave..... now just piling into SA.

    One other problem is everybody is making million dollar salary when the average / median salary is just above $2000 or $3000. Really who dare to be a "hero" and implement drastic changes to the system that has no guarantee that can be fixed in double quick time.

    Unless, I got father who is very rich and I know for sure I will inherit, and got iron balls, I would be like them, follow the motion, incremental improvements until something else distracts the public, in the mean time, be thick skin smile for the camera, and collect fat salary and ballooning CPF contributions.� Huat Ah.

    [laugh]

    FYI

    Statistics show that most "hero" die young. "Yes man" lives longer especially in the corporate world.


  • 06 June 2016 - 12:16 PM
    Davidtch

    One other problem is everybody is making million dollar salary when the average / median salary is just above $2000 or $3000. Really who dare to be a "hero" and implement drastic changes to the system that has no guarantee that can be fixed in double quick time.

    Unless, I got father who is very rich and I know for sure I will inherit, and got iron balls, I would be like them, follow the motion, incremental improvements until something else distracts the public, in the mean time, be thick skin smile for the camera, and collect fat salary and ballooning CPF contributions.� Huat Ah.

    [laugh]

    FYI

    Statistics show that most "hero" die young. "Yes man" lives longer especially in the corporate world.

    There might be mis-alignment of priority btw Board of Directors and MoT.

    As a leader, he has to show that he set the priority correct, i.e. fix the problem.� If need $$$, can always nego with MoT.

    Based on the recent incident (2 die on track & 1 electrocuted), there might be bad work culture in place.� His COO either fix it or throw in the tower.


  • 06 June 2016 - 12:25 PM
    Joseph22

    There might be mis-alignment of priority btw Board of Directors and MoT.

    As a leader, he has to show that he set the priority correct, i.e. fix the problem. If need $$$, can always nego with MoT.

    Based on the recent incident (2 die on track & 1 electrocuted), there might be bad work culture in place. His COO either fix it or throw in the tower.

    Thought he propose shut down mrt for 2 days to check but kenna shoot down??
  • 06 June 2016 - 12:29 PM
    Porker

    There might be mis-alignment of priority btw Board of Directors and MoT.

    As a leader, he has to show that he set the priority correct, i.e. fix the problem. If need $$$, can always nego with MoT.

    Based on the recent incident (2 die on track & 1 electrocuted), there might be bad work culture in place. His COO either fix it or throw in the tower.

    Takes a strong man to throw a tower
  • 13 June 2016 - 10:05 PM
    Count-Bracula

    Doesn't MRT uses 'cashless system.... :wut:

    Unless fictitious claim by staff .. :a-aggressive:


    Could be just tip of the ice berg.
  • 13 June 2016 - 10:25 PM
    Jman888

    A lot of senior folks don't even have atm cards. They only know how to use cash to top up their ezlink. Students also do not have atm cards. They buy the monthly concession ticket using cash. When you put all these ppl together that will come up with a lot of cash.

    student can still use the machine to top up, just insert the notes into the machine. usually tourists and old folk use the counter service.
  • 14 June 2016 - 08:44 AM
    13177

    Someone should praise the commuters for being so tolerant and patient. Trains disruptions, delays and what's not since 2011. Coming to 5 years. Talk about LLST.

    Agreed, how come no one praise commuters for being extremely tolerant and patient with all the breakdown, delays and nonsense from our train�company?�


  • 14 June 2016 - 09:20 AM
    Kusje

    Agreed, how come no one praise commuters for being extremely tolerant and patient with all the breakdown, delays and nonsense from our train�company?�

    Because it is our duty.


  • 14 June 2016 - 09:36 AM
    13177

    Because it is our duty.

    Lol, it is our duty to be tolerant and patient, and yet it is not the duty for train companies to provide high standard of service with less or no�breakdown and delays?


  • 14 June 2016 - 11:35 AM
    Kb27

    Yeap, it's a positive experience.

    Let's have a lot more breakdowns.


  • 14 June 2016 - 11:49 AM
    Mustank

    Agreed, how come no one praise commuters for being extremely tolerant and patient with all the breakdown, delays and nonsense from our train�company?�

    because cannot comprain :D


  • 14 June 2016 - 11:54 AM
    13177

    Yeap, it's a positive experience.

    Let's have a lot more breakdowns.

    No breakdown means train not reliable. Lol.


  • 15 June 2016 - 10:27 AM
    Blueray
    Tube station finds way to reduce rush-hour jam

    LONDON � One of London's busiest and deepest underground stations is encouraging people at rush hour to stand side by side on the escalators going up instead of leaving the left side empty in an experiment to reduce congestion.

    The science is simple: Fill the available space on the escalators with people, rather than leaving the left side of each step largely empty, except for the few who choose to march up the metal mountain.

    .....

    http://www.straitsti...e-rush-hour-jam

    I like this idea ... never been in favour of the current system of standing one side ... we need to move people from the platforms quickly and escalators are moving fast ... not safe to be taking steps on fast moving escalators, especially when downriding.


  • 15 June 2016 - 10:44 AM
    Baal
    Similar to the roads, keeping left unless overtaking is a gd idea, provided theres no overcrowding.
  • 15 June 2016 - 10:57 AM
    Ktglfc

    Tube station finds way to reduce rush-hour jam

    LONDON � One of London's busiest and deepest underground stations is encouraging people at rush hour to stand side by side on the escalators going up instead of leaving the left side empty in an experiment to reduce congestion.

    The science is simple: Fill the available space on the escalators with people, rather than leaving the left side of each step largely empty, except for the few who choose to march up the metal mountain.

    .....

    http://www.straitsti...e-rush-hour-jam

    I like this idea ... never been in favour of the current system of standing one side ... we need to move people from the platforms quickly and escalators are moving fast ... not safe to be taking steps on fast moving escalators, especially when downriding.

    I am not too sure on the success of the system ...

    For our system, if everyone that want to stay put, stay at the left side, and those who want to speed up, really move to the right, we are in fact faster ... problem is some don't want to speed up and yet occupy the right side... and that delay the movement of ppl ...

    Anyway, as long as trains come on time without delay, we should be able to solve the rush-hour jam ... unless one train breakdowns and the bottleneck builds up ...


  • 15 June 2016 - 11:04 AM
    Blueray

    I am not too sure on the success of the system ...

    For our system, if everyone that want to stay put, stay at the left side, and those who want to speed up, really move to the right, we are in fact faster ... problem is some don't want to speed up and yet occupy the right side... and that delay the movement of ppl ...

    Anyway, as long as trains come on time without delay, we should be able to solve the rush-hour jam ... unless one train breakdowns and the bottleneck builds up ...

    My angle is as follows :-

    1. our peak load at certain station is pretty heavy and some stations have only one escalator upriding, so better to fully utilise the escalator capacity to move the passengers away from the platform before the next train arrives rather than to cater to the few who prefer to dash up / down.

    2. newer stations are much deeper and escalators are much longer, not safe to be dashing ... especially downriding.

    anyway, wondering whether this article in the Straits Times is a prelude to something ...� [:p]


  • 15 June 2016 - 11:20 AM
    13177

    My angle is as follows :-

    1. our peak load at certain station is pretty heavy and some stations have only one escalator upriding, so better to fully utilise the escalator capacity to move the passengers away from the platform before the next train arrives rather than to cater to the few who prefer to dash up / down.

    2. newer stations are much deeper and escalators are much longer, not safe to be dashing ... especially downriding.

    anyway, wondering whether this article in the Straits Times is a prelude to something ...� [:p]

    If we compared the crowds at London tube�to our mrt, smrt will tell us that we are consider very good life and luxury liao. Lol.

    Anyway, if our station can have more than one escalator to cater to the crowds arrive from the train,�overcrowding problem should not have�much issue. But too bad most of our stations, and even those busiest stations, only one escalator going up or down which shown very poorly designed when they build the station initially.


    Edited by 13177, 15 June 2016 - 11:20 AM.

  • 15 June 2016 - 12:11 PM
    Mustank

    the bottleneck is train or escalator?


    or both?


  • 15 June 2016 - 12:53 PM
    13177

    the bottleneck is train or escalator?


    or both?

    To disperse the crowds fast, escalator and train are equally important lo. Lol.


  • 15 June 2016 - 02:33 PM
    New_Atlantis

    Tube station finds way to reduce rush-hour jam

    LONDON � One of London's busiest and deepest underground stations is encouraging people at rush hour to stand side by side on the escalators going up instead of leaving the left side empty in an experiment to reduce congestion.

    The science is simple: Fill the available space on the escalators with people, rather than leaving the left side of each step largely empty, except for the few who choose to march up the metal mountain.

    .....

    http://www.straitsti...e-rush-hour-jam

    I like this idea ... never been in favour of the current system of standing one side ... we need to move people from the platforms quickly and escalators are moving fast ... not safe to be taking steps on fast moving escalators, especially when downriding.

    Good idea! but then i thought about how SMRT conducts maintenance,

    i had a vision of screams and blood when the mass of people fall in to the broken floor plate at the end of the escalator. all forced �towards the human mincing machine with no extra space to run! �


  • 15 June 2016 - 02:44 PM
    Blueray

    Good idea! but then i thought about how SMRT conducts maintenance,

    i had a vision of screams and blood when the mass of people fall in to the broken floor plate at the end of the escalator. all forced �towards the human mincing machine with no extra space to run! �

    actually we did not have "stand on left" when MRT first started.

    given the current crowd situation, I think its time to scrap the "stand on left" thingy.


  • 15 June 2016 - 03:33 PM
    Davidtch

    To disperse the crowds fast, escalator and train are equally important lo. Lol.

    Most of our stations are as crowded as other cities in Asia.

    There is always the choice staircase.


  • 15 June 2016 - 04:24 PM
    13177

    Most of our stations are as crowded as other cities in Asia.

    There is always the choice staircase.

    Firstly i don't think the train companies here think that our stations are as crowded as other cities in Asia. Cause at most stations, there is only one escalator going up and down at one side, and only one staircase on the other side. Don't think such design can disperse the crowds fast la?!


  • 15 June 2016 - 11:27 PM
    Porker

    Firstly i don't think the train companies here think that our stations are as crowded as other cities in Asia. Cause at most stations, there is only one escalator going up and down at one side, and only one staircase on the other side. Don't think such design can disperse the crowds fast la?!


    That's because many of the stations were built before the mass import
  • 15 June 2016 - 11:30 PM
    Blueray

    That's because many of the stations were built before the mass import

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