mycarforum: ALL consolidated SMRT/NEL/KTM simisai BREAKDOWNS here! part 33

This guy nearly peed his pants between 1635H and 1650H�

Okay it's a short breakdown.. Train service back to normal.

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This guy nearly peed his pants between 1635H and 1650H�

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He would pee his pants meh? I don't think so la, cause even breakdown which was much longer and serious than this, he also no feelings de. [rolleyes]

cos he has absolutely no idea if this breakdown will be his last...until 1650H then he know.....ie. if it is a 48hr breakdown, how to not step down?

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He would pee his pants meh? I don't think so la, cause even breakdown which was much longer and serious than this, he also no feelings de.

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recently like no news

no news is good news

Commuters forced to walk on track after LRT breaks down in Punggol

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Passengers were seen alighting the�Light Rail Transit (LRT) to walk on the tracks after it broke down yesterday (June 22).

Stomper�Zak�was just getting home from work when she saw the incident from her home window in Punggol.�

According to the Stomper, the LRT had broken down in the middle of Punggol�and Cove station.

"It was quite a distance to walk, and it was drizzling," Zak said.

The Straits Times�reported that service resumed at Punggol LRT after a disruption of about half an hour.

SBS Transit tweeted at 5.59pm that there was no service at the LRT line due to a power fault.��

Free bus rides and bridging bus services were available. These ceased at around 6.50pm.

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Raining weather this morning, waited longer than usual timing and train was extremely packed and could not get onto train even after 3 train arrived at station! We really have super world class train system and service here. [thumbsup]

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Ex-transport minister Lui Tuck Yew appointed Chip Eng Seng independent director

Transport Minister Lui Tuck Yew (right) riding one of the new trains on the Circle Line from Labrador Park to One-North MRT station on Aug 3, 2015.

Photo: The Straits Times

Former Transport Minister Lui Tuck Yew has been appointed an independent director at Chip Eng Seng Corporation.

The construction and property firm told the Singapore Exchange that it would arrange for Mr Lui to receive relevant training to familiarise himself with the role and responsibilities of a director.

Mr Lui, 54, shocked observers when he resigned last August before the general election was called. He told Chinese daily Lianhe Zaobao then that his decision was a personal choice and had nothing to do with family or health reasons.

Mr Lui, who was formerly the chief executive of the Housing Board, entered politics in 2006, and rose quickly to become a Cabinet minister in 2010.

He was the Minister for Information, Communications and the Arts before taking on the role of Transport Minister in 2011. He later held a second portfolio as Second Defence Minister.

Prior to his political career, he had been chief executive officer of the Maritime and Port Authority of Singapore. He was a Singapore Armed Forces scholarship holder and the former Chief of Navy.

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Ex-transport minister Lui Tuck Yew appointed Chip Eng Seng independent director

Transport Minister Lui Tuck Yew (right) riding one of the new trains on the Circle Line from Labrador Park to One-North MRT station on Aug 3, 2015.

Photo: The Straits Times

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Former Transport Minister Lui Tuck Yew has been appointed an independent director at Chip Eng Seng Corporation.

The construction and property firm told the Singapore Exchange that it would arrange for Mr Lui to receive relevant training to familiarise himself with the role and responsibilities of a director.

Mr Lui, 54, shocked observers when he resigned last August before the general election was called. He told Chinese daily Lianhe Zaobao then that his decision was a personal choice and had nothing to do with family or health reasons.

Mr Lui, who was formerly the chief executive of the Housing Board, entered politics in 2006, and rose quickly to become a Cabinet minister in 2010.

He was the Minister for Information, Communications and the Arts before taking on the role of Transport Minister in 2011. He later held a second portfolio as Second Defence Minister.

Prior to his political career, he had been chief executive officer of the Maritime and Port Authority of Singapore. He was a Singapore Armed Forces scholarship holder and the former Chief of Navy.

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good on him....tuck him lah kekekekek

He Tuck Yew too�

good on him....tuck him lah kekekekek

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He Tuck Yew too�

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[:p] � [laugh] � [laugh]

He Tuck Yew too�

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:XD: :XD: :XD:

No matter what, should be still better than appointed as Transport Minister. Lol.

jin pai tan

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steady lah bro!

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I'm free!

Wonder if his secrets from HDB days are still fresh or not.

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Otherwise CES would be wasting their money.

Hong Kong news reported that the China made SMRT C151A trains have cracks in their car bodies and key structural components, resulting in 35 trains being shipped back to their manufacturer in Qingdao for replacement.�

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Sources said the trains are of poor quality and that the glass next to passenger seats has repeatedly shattered due to shoddy workmanship. In 2011, one of the trains� Chinese-made uninterruptible power supply batteries exploded during repair. While there were no injuries, Kawasaki Heavy Industries-CSR Sifang replaced all of the batteries made in China with ones made in Germany.

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The C151A trains are suspected to have caused breakdowns on the NSL in December 2011.

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https://www.hongkong...ore-due-cracks/

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Edited by Stooky, 05 July 2016 - 01:28 PM.

Wah,�these are�BIG issues (safety and others) if it is true! But, just how reliable is the news source (HKFP)?? Yes some of these photos were taken in Singapore, but that don't prove that the train (under heavy cover)�are from China, or being tow to the port for return to China, right? [sly]

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Not that I trust our 154th, but let wait till more reports / concrete information�before we start firing at the relevant parties.

Edited by Carbon82, 05 July 2016 - 01:36 PM.

Cheaper....better?

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https://www.hongkong...ore-due-cracks/

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In December 2011, serious malfunctions occurred on the SMRT�s North South Line, which the SMRT suspected were caused by C151A trains. A subcontractor responsible for supplying train components to CSR Sifang admitted to FactWire that after the malfunctions, SMRT significantly reduced the frequency of C151A trains and asked to delay payment for extra trains of the same series, greatly impacting the subcontractor�s cash flow.

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I dunno how true is this information. The train maker is horrible. LTA get the second lowest bidder and this is the quality. Jin jialat.

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The original C151 trains is MIJ and is extremely reliable. In use since 1987. But the newer C151 trains is made in tiongland and is shit. And they are still buying tiongland made C151 �trains for the upcoming new lines

Edited by Raubern, 05 July 2016 - 01:58 PM.

Cheaper....better?

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https://www.hongkong...ore-due-cracks/

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�It is very unusual for cracks to appear in new components, and you don�t know how much pressure it can withstand after that, because running puts a lot of pressure on the train�s car body,� said Lai. �If [the incidents] are true, aside from cracks, battery explosions also reflect that the product may have quality issues. The quality control of the entire manufacturing process comes under suspicion, causing people to lose confidence in the product.�

Penny wise Pound Foolish- want cheap n good- where got such thing. But fare increase leh- how?

front page of apple hk news...singapore secretly return the trains to china... hahaha

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HK's MTR also bought same trains

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http://hk.apple.nextmedia.com/

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wow very powerful advertisement...�

Where are the train otakus? The ones who can supposedly recognize every different train model.

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Ask them to help check if the trains are still in service and we will know if the recall is true or not.

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BTW, these fellows must have had a tipoff. It's one thing to take the photo of the trains being transported on the road but the aerial photo at the port must have taken some planning. �

Cheaper....better?

https://www.hongkong...ore-due-cracks/

If this is true, all the more i can emphathize with why he saw resignation as his best solution.

Wonder if his secrets from HDB days are still fresh or not.

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Otherwise CES would be wasting their money.

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or maybe CES just returning the favour over the years lah�

or maybe CES just returning the favour over the years lah�

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Hong Kong news reported that the China made SMRT C151A trains have cracks in their car bodies and key structural components, resulting in 35 trains being shipped back to their manufacturer in Qingdao for replacement.

Sources said the trains are of poor quality and that the glass next to passenger seats has repeatedly shattered due to shoddy workmanship. In 2011, one of the trains� Chinese-made uninterruptible power supply batteries exploded during repair. While there were no injuries, Kawasaki Heavy Industries-CSR Sifang replaced all of the batteries made in China with ones made in Germany.

The C151A trains are suspected to have caused breakdowns on the NSL in December 2011.

https://www.hongkong...ore-due-cracks/

Nowonder they reduced train frequency recently. Maybe those new orders are put to stop and the rest defective trains are sent back. So not enough train lao. That's my guessing only..

Everything is made in China now... The lowest cost base in the world. Lower cost = lower bids = higher winning chance. Can you blame them? We always blame businesses and the govt. But would we want higher to pay two or 3 times the price as consumers?�

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sounds like wikileaks

Who bought the trains? Lta or mrt? Big issue sia

Thats why its better to nationalize public transport. The $ beyond cost collected can go to purchasing higher quality trains, instead of being registered as profit.

Cheap and good or free ? There's always a catch somewhere.

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I bought this ratcheting wrench. It was made in PRC I guess, I didn't know then.

After a couple of usage, I realized that it was the one rounding off the nuts.

The teeth supposed to be hardened, was not.

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Now I passed by some construction sites, it's the same name I saw, I shudder to think of the quality of these buildings.

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Please don't complain so much lah.

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Its only the floor that cracks,

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just don't stand on the floor lah.

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Its the old lower price high cost

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must see Total Cost of Ownership.

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sounds like wikileaks

Who bought the trains? Lta or mrt? Big issue sia
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So now how are they going to solve the problem?

CHEAPER FASTER BETTERER!!!�

So now how are they going to solve the problem?

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You never read the article ah?

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They sending the trains back to Qingdao.

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A source from the mainland railway industry told FactWire that Singapore�s subway operator SMRT Trains Ltd (SMRT) was secretly shipping defective trains back to mainland China for replacement and repair by manufacturer CSR Sifang Locomotive & Rolling Stock Company Ltd �(CSR Sifang).

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Also read this:

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In December 2011, serious malfunctions occurred on the SMRT�s North South Line, which the SMRT suspected were caused by C151A trains. A subcontractor responsible for supplying train components to CSR Sifang admitted to FactWire that after the malfunctions, SMRT significantly reduced the frequency of C151A trains and asked to delay payment for extra trains of the same series, greatly impacting the subcontractor�s cash flow.

Edited by Fcw75, 05 July 2016 - 03:08 PM.

You never read the article ah?

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They sending the trains back to Qingdao.

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I thot they only famous for making beer?

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They are branching out?

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Everything is made in China now... The lowest cost base in the world. Lower cost = lower bids = higher winning chance. Can you blame them? We always blame businesses and the govt. But would we want higher to pay two or 3 times the price as consumers?�

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For the same item, same quality of course not la.

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But if I pay less and the item cannot function then is there a point? In such a case, wouldn't you rather pay more?

Wah,�these are�BIG issues (safety and others) if it is true! But, just how reliable is the news source (HKFP)?? Yes some of these photos were taken in Singapore, but that don't prove that the train (under heavy cover)�are from China, or being tow to the port for return to China, right?

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Not that I trust our 154th, but let wait till more reports / concrete information�before we start firing at the relevant parties.

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No one exposed, quietly sweep under carpet and get the replacements done.

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When exposed, will not admit it is a problem, but will say as a precaution, send back to manufacturer for inspection ... blah blah blah ...

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For HK, it's just across the border, shipping back doesn't cost as�much.

For Sg, won't it be cheaper and faster to ship the replacement parts and technicians/engineers over to do the rectifications?

God knows when you ship back, what other good working parts are swapped out by them and replaced with inferior parts.

Nowonder they reduced train frequency recently. Maybe those new orders are put to stop and the rest defective trains are sent back. So not enough train lao. That's my guessing only..

There were previously posts bout the trains being heavier, cannot take as much load n lower travelling speeds?

I thot they only famous for making beer?

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They are branching out?

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Have to diversify bro. [:p]

Everything is made in China now... The lowest cost base in the world. Lower cost = lower bids = higher winning chance. Can you blame them? We always blame businesses and the govt. But would we want higher to pay two or 3 times the price as consumers?

it's not fair to blaim consumers dont want to pay more
all companies also want to increase "revenue" and decrease "cost" equall higher profit
smrt can still use good train from japan and look at other way to decrease cost especially overhead cost
taking the wasy easy out buying cheapo train means not putting the quality to highest consideration
just like some restaurant insistin good and fresh ingredients and continue to innovate to decrease or maintain cost
last resort is to increase price gradually and consumer will understand and continue patronise

Edited by Wt_know, 05 July 2016 - 03:24 PM.

Mainland manufacturer for MTR secretly recalls 35 trains from Singapore due to cracks

https://www.hongkong...ore-due-cracks/

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Chinese-made subway trains in Singapore have cracks in their car bodies and key structural components, resulting in 35 trains being shipped back to their manufacturer in Qingdao for replacement, FactWire can reveal.

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Details of the defects and the recalls have been kept secret in both Singapore and China. The same mainland manufacturer is responsible for manufacturing nine trains for the Guangzhou-Shenzhen-Hong Kong Express Rail Link (XLR) and 93 trains for the Mass Transit Railway Corporation�s (MTR Corporation) four urban lines.

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Trains wrapped in green covering could be seen inside the factory in Chengyang district. Photo: FactWire.

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According to sources, the defective trains are being stored at SMRT�s Bishan Depot. After 1am on June 12, FactWire reporters witnessed two train cars wrapped in green covering being moved out of the depot.

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Each of the two covered train cars were more than 20m long. They were placed on large dollies used for transporting train cars and were towed away by cargo trucks, led by police cars and construction vehicles. At approximately 3am, the two train cars arrived at Jurong Port, located in Singapore�s western industrial area. Using a drone camera, reporters discovered that six train cars had already been placed in one corner of the port. Cranes, derricks, and other large machines believed to be used for lifting trains were situated nearby.

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The two train cars entered Jurong Port in Singapore�s western industrial area. Photo: FactWire.

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Another source from the mainland railway industry confirmed that the train spotted by FactWire reporters was to be taken by cargo ship to Qingdao, with the voyage taking more than 10 days. In late June, reporters went to the factory of train manufacturer CSR Sifang, located in Qingdao�s Chengyang district. Two of CSR Sifang�s staff confirmed that the train had arrived at the factory on June 25 from Singapore. Outside the factory, reporters saw trains wrapped in green covering identical to the kind seen in Singapore. Some of the green covering had �E27� printed on it, the same marking seen on the covering of the trains in Singapore.

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The defective trains belong to the SMRT�s C151A series. In May 2009, Singapore�s Land Transport Authority awarded the manufacturing contract of the C151A trains to a consortium consisting of Japanese company Kawasaki Heavy Industries Rolling Stock Company (Kawasaki Heavy Industries), its Singapore subsidiary, and CSR Sifang. 22 trains were ordered, totalling S$368 million, equivalent to approximately HK$2.1 billion. Singapore later ordered an extra 13 trains of the same series in 2011. From May 2011 to 2014, 35 trains were shipped to Singapore and put into service.

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According to a 2009 press release by Kawasaki Heavy Industries, it was responsible for overseeing the project, designing and manufacturing the train bogies, and buying the major train components. The press release also states that CSR Sifang was responsible for manufacturing other parts of the train car body, assembling the trains, and conducting factory tests. Another press release by CSR Sifang from 2009 describes the project as �the first successful cooperation of CSR Sifang with the world�s advanced subway vehicle enterprises in the international subway vehicle market�.

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In the same year, chairman of CSR Corporation Limited Zhao Xiaogang stated that the Singapore railway contract bid submitted by Kawasaki Heavy Industries-CSR Sifang was the second lowest, with the lowest bid being submitted by a South Korean company. According to Zhao, Singaporean authorities chose to award the bid to Kawasaki Heavy Industries-CSR Sifang after a comprehensive evaluation because product quality was important to them.

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However, multiple sources from mainland China and Singapore have confirmed to FactWire that problems have been found with C151A trains since they began service in 2011. Sources said the trains are of poor quality and that the glass next to passenger seats has repeatedly shattered due to shoddy workmanship. In 2011, one of the trains� Chinese-made uninterruptible power supply batteries exploded during repair. While there were no injuries, Kawasaki Heavy Industries-CSR Sifang replaced all of the batteries made in China with ones made in Germany.

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The mainland railway industry source stated that quality issues with the Chinese-made C151A trains began to worsen in 2013. They said cracks were found in structural components, including the sub-floor � a compartment under the passenger floor holding the equipment box and electrical wires � and bolster function parts connecting the car body to the bogie, the latter having the most serious problems. �It�s a structural problem,� said the source. �The bolster function balances the train�s weight and swing range, [therefore] cracks are dynamic, [they] can spread to the train car body with the bolster function, so the entire train car must be replaced.�

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C151, the predecessor of C151A, has been manufactured by Kawasaki Heavy Industries in Japan since the 1980s. The two models share similar designs, but the C151 has been used by the SMRT since 1987 without experiencing cracks. Mainland sources revealed that some of the C151A trains manufactured by CSR Sifang were found to have impurities in their aluminium train car bodies, a very likely cause of the cracks now found in the trains.

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Former Kowloon-Canton Railway Corporation acting chief executive officer Samuel Lai Man-hay said train components usually cracked due to age.

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Lai also added that normally, after trains are produced, the manufacturer makes suggestions to the operator on maintenance and repair of the product. �If you don�t trust the manufacturer�s product quality, will you believe the technical repair suggestions it provides? This is a very serious problem, it must be made clear, how much confidence you have in the manufacturer.�

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A source from CSR Sifang told FactWire that at least five trains had been replaced since last year. They also said Kawasaki Heavy Industries was taking over the manufacturing of the flawed aluminium train car body, while CSR Sifang is responsible for reassembling the train cars. Arriving in Qingdao after half a month of shipping, each train car is disassembled and its parts refitted into the new car body. Tests are then conducted before the new trains are shipped back to Singapore, completing the four-month repair process. The original train car bodies must be discarded, resulting in tremendous losses for both companies.

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FactWire contacted several retired Singaporean subway staff. One of them said: �I�ve never encountered a situation like this in all my decades of working in railway construction. Replacing the whole frame [of the train] � you can tell how serious [the problem] is.�

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Another former SMRT worker admitted that the C151A train model had quality issues in its propulsion system, engine system, and other components. �It�s not a complete failure you know, it�s [that] the [train�s] life is so much shorter, maybe about half [of the normal lifespan]. [For instance], if normal trains can [run for] one million km, but this one can only do 500,000km.�

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He said that Kawasaki Heavy Industries-CSR Sifang had been providing �after sale service� for the trains and sending staff to Singapore to �troubleshoot�. �[Chinese-made trains] are very cheap. How can you have [something] that is very good and pay a very cheap price? So this is [the] trade-off.�

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FactWire contacted Kawasaki Heavy Industries� Singapore branch, responsible for overseeing the C151A project. In a telephone conversation lasting more than 10 minutes, the company�s rolling stock manager Ken Nishiyama did not deny the flaws in the C151A trains and their recall back to Qingdao for replacement. He twice asked the reporter: �How do you know [about] the project?�

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When the reporter asked why the C151A trains had quality issues and whether manufacturer CSR Sifang should bear responsibility, Nishiyama repeatedly stressed: �We cannot make any comment on the project, the progress, the issue, whether there is [a] programme or no programme.�

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SMRT, Singapore�s Land Transport Authority, and CRRC Corporation Limited, CSR Sifang�s parent company, did not respond to requests for comment.

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In recent years, Hong Kong�s MTR Corporation has made many purchases of Chinese-made trains, including several deals with CSR Sifang. In March 2012, after its successful HK$1.74 billion bid, CSR Sifang was awarded the XLR contract to supply nine CRH380A trains, each containing eight train cars. With three of the trains already completed, the first batch of trains are due to be shipped later this year. In July 2015, MTR Corporation announced a HK$6 billion contract with CSR Sifang to buy 93 French-designed trains of eight train cars each to fully replace the first generation, British-made trains now serving the Kwun Tong, Tsuen Wan, Tseung Kwan O, and Island Lines. According to MTR Corporation�s 2015 business overview, 115 trains operate in the urban lines during peak hours, meaning the new trains will make up over 70% of urban line trains in the future. The contract is MTR Corporation�s largest order of new trains and also the largest order of trains in the mainland.

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MTR Corporation�s 93 new urban line trains manufactured by CSR Sifang cost HK$6 billion, averaging only HK$8 million per train car. �The price for trains is very cheap,� said Lai. �In my recollection of purchasing trains, each train car cost at least over HK$10 million.�

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This price is over 40% cheaper than the first batch of mainland-manufactured trains and SMRT�s C151A trains. Information records show that MTR Corporation purchased 10 urban line trains of eight train cars each from CRRC Changchun Railway Vehicles Company Ltd. (CRRC Changchun) for HK$1.1 billion, averaging HK$14 million per train car. SMRT�s defective C151A trains have six train cars each, averaging HK$16 million per train car.

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In a written response to FactWire, the MTR Corporation did not acknowledge whether it was aware of quality issues with SMRT�s C151A trains, only stating, �According to a preliminary enquiry to the contractor, the car body material of the C151A trains and the car body material of trains purchased by the MTR Corporation come from different suppliers.�

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No one exposed, quietly sweep under carpet and get the replacements done.

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When exposed, will not admit it is a problem, but will say as a precaution, send back to manufacturer for inspection ... blah blah blah ...

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For HK, it's just across the border, shipping back doesn't cost as�much.

For Sg, won't it be cheaper and faster to ship the replacement parts and technicians/engineers over to do the rectifications?

God knows when you ship back, what other good working parts are swapped out by them and replaced with inferior parts.

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From the article, the claim is that the entire shell is being replaced.....

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They will be reusing the insides only. For a train, I gather that the sides only consists of the following:

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1. Air con and lighting system

2. seats and pole dancing system

Edited by Kusje, 05 July 2016 - 03:33 PM.

it's not fair to blaim consumers dont want to pay more
all companies also want to increase "revenue" and decrease "cost" equall higher profit
smrt can still use good train from japan and look at other way to decrease cost especially overhead cost
taking the wasy easy out buying cheapo train means not putting the quality to highest consideration
just like some restaurant insistin good and fresh ingredients and continue to innovate to decrease or maintain cost
last resort is to increase price gradually and consumer will understand and continue patronise

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I blame govt (again) for this blunder.

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If it is wholly by MoF.� We might avoid this problem.

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Rather than buying cheapo train, i believe SMRT can ask MoT to bridge price gap.

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I also don't believe Hui Ge will accept this kind of crap.

Is this y carpark $$$ increase?

Is this y carpark $$$ increase?

more to come [lipsrsealed]

pangsai also must pay tax ...

Edited by Wt_know, 05 July 2016 - 03:37 PM.

For the same item, same quality of course not la.

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But if I pay less and the item cannot function then is there a point? In such a case, wouldn't you rather pay more?

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I agree.. cause i'm largely of the same thinking. But problem is not everyone thinks its worth it to pay more now for a better chance of quality (Nothing is ever black and white).�

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That's how far consumer confidence in products has fallen largely due ever-changing trends and race to the bottom economics. Product lifecycles are intentionally made to be so short these days.

i am totally irked by the title "secretly recall"
wtf ... does that mean big prob = small prob = no prob = honest mistake = move on

This one long long time already pay and still paying. Every toilet bowl needs to pay sewerage fee one hor. The more bowls you have, the more tax you pay. Not as if you have more bowls, you have more sh1ts. But then...

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Some people may ask, why not count by quantity of sai discharged? It's because difficult and smelly to count lah.

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more to come
pangsai also must pay tax ...

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Edited by Kangadrool, 05 July 2016 - 03:41 PM.

Everything is made in China now... The lowest cost base in the world. Lower cost = lower bids = higher winning chance. Can you blame them? We always blame businesses and the govt. But would we want higher to pay two or 3 times the price as consumers?�

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Doesn't the buyer on such a large contract as this have inspectors on site to check materials workmanship, procedures etc etc.

The inspectors would normally be directly employed by the buyer over a long period or the buyer would employ a well reknowned worldwide inspection agency.

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The inspectors prolly sitting in a coffee shop all day

Everyone knows JDM train is best train

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Everyone knows ~~JDM~~ JAV train is best train

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Corrected for you.�

From the article, the claim is that the entire shell is being replaced.....

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They will be reusing the insides only. For a train, I gather that the sides only consists of the following:

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1. Air con and lighting system

2. seats and pole dancing system

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Shell is usually the aluminium pieces covering it.

Below it is the framework holding the shell.

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I believe similar to a car body, these pieces can be removed and pieced back 1 by 1.

I blame govt (again) for this blunder.

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If it is wholly by MoF.� We might avoid this problem.

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Rather than buying cheapo train, i believe SMRT can ask MoT to bridge price gap.

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I also don't believe Hui Ge will accept this kind of crap.

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Hui� Ge will just say "alamak .... "

Shell is usually the aluminium pieces covering it.
Below it is the framework holding the shell.

I believe similar to a car body, these pieces can be removed and pieced back 1 by 1.

Hui Ge will just say "alamak .... "

no blame culture please ...
if every mini star hala-kili for wrong decision ...
spore will have no mini star liao ...

Edited by Wt_know, 05 July 2016 - 04:09 PM.

Under whose watch did we buy the trains?

Everything is made in China now... The lowest cost base in the world. Lower cost = lower bids = higher winning chance. Can you blame them? We always blame businesses and the govt. But would we want higher to pay two or 3 times the price as consumers?�

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I always question and scrutinize whenever bids differ by a big margin. Of course it is much easier to recommend awarding a contract to a bidder with a fair bid in the private sector. The government may need to do something to their procurement process.

it's not fair to blaim consumers dont want to pay more
all companies also want to increase "revenue" and decrease "cost" equall higher profit
smrt can still use good train from japan and look at other way to decrease cost especially overhead cost
taking the wasy easy out buying cheapo train means not putting the quality to highest consideration
just like some restaurant insistin good and fresh ingredients and continue to innovate to decrease or maintain cost
last resort is to increase price gradually and consumer will understand and continue patronise

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I can't blame consumers because i'm also guilty of it sometimes. But most consumers are not patient nor understanding. �

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We got to�try to understand why all this is happening in the world today. There is an unintended consequence to the bidding system.

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Consumers nowadays (Govt, individuals and businesses) have a lack of loyalty to suppliers. We are conditioned to ask for 3 quotes. If one is X% lower, we jump to the next cheapest guy.�

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Do you know how businesses are reacting to this? You ask your old supplier to match the lowest price. They turn around and ask for 3 quotes again from their OWN suppliers. If the old one can't match, they shift to the new cheapest supplier. Quality is secondary. As long as the end product to the consumer lasts the X year warranty period. But to the original consumer, he or she still thinks or expects the same quality.�

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Just my comments on the general business environment. As for SMRT and the way our government operates... we all know they operate each department like a business. The KPI is P&L. Good and bad...�

lowest bidder wins ...
damn it's lowest ... damn it's not lowest
either way we're fcked

Edited by Wt_know, 05 July 2016 - 04:21 PM.

Our mainstream media lai liao. �Report like no report like that sigh. �Only two sentences seem like their own value-add. �The rest all copy and paste from HK report. Very half-hearted article.

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China-made MRT trains sent back to fix defects

http://www.straitsti...-to-fix-defects

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SINGAPORE - Several of Singapore's first China-made MRT trains are being shipped back to their manufacturer for structural defects.

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The trains, said to number more than two dozen, are barely five years old. They were made by China Southern Railway (CSR) Qingdao Sifang Locomotive and Rolling Stock Company, which together with Japan's Kawasaki Heavy Industries, won the first contract to supply 22 six-car trains for the North-South and East-West lines in 2009.

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The Straits Times understands the trains are still under warranty, and will be rectified by the manufacturer. Still, the episode could derail Singapore's plans to raise its rail service and reliability standards.

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According to reports by online news portal FactWire, some of the trains had windows shattering repeatedly, and in 2011, one of the trains' Chinese-made uninterruptible power supply batteries exploded during repair.

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FactWire said cracks were also found in structural components of trains, including the sub-floor - a compartment under the passenger floor holding the equipment box and electrical wires - and bolster function parts connecting the car body to the bogie, the latter having the most serious problems.

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Meanwhile, Hong Kong's MTR Corp, which has also placed orders with CSR Sifang, told The Straits Times it has not taken delivery of any new trains from the Chinese manufacturer yet.

Edited by Jellandross, 05 July 2016 - 04:47 PM.

if msia - spore HSR also from CSR ... ho say liao !

Didnt know SMRT is using china made trains now? So which train which is running now are china made ah?

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Shell is usually the aluminium pieces covering it.

Below it is the framework holding the shell.

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I believe similar to a car body, these pieces can be removed and pieced back 1 by 1.

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They said cracks were found in structural components, including the sub-floor � a compartment under the passenger floor holding the equipment box and electrical wires � and bolster function parts connecting the car body to the bogie, the latter having the most serious problems. �It�s a structural problem,� said the source. �The bolster function balances the train�s weight and swing range, [therefore] cracks are dynamic, [they] can spread to the train car body with the bolster function, so the entire train car must be replaced.�

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C151, the predecessor of C151A, has been manufactured by Kawasaki Heavy Industries in Japan since the 1980s. The two models share similar designs, but the C151 has been used by the SMRT since 1987 without experiencing cracks. Mainland sources revealed that some of the C151A trains manufactured by CSR Sifang were found to have impurities in their aluminium train car bodies, a very likely cause of the cracks now found in the trains.

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Gg send back to ATB train maker

Didnt know SMRT is using china made trains now? So which train which is running now are china made ah?

most new trains are ATB, those old ones rusty rusty roof , yellow yellow light, but still chugging along are JDM.�

Edited by Mockngbrd, 05 July 2016 - 04:56 PM.

Gg send back to ATB train maker

most new trains are ATB, those old ones rusty rusty roof , yellow yellow light, but still chugging along are JDM.�

Is this the reason thats why there are so many train fault?

There were previously posts bout the trains being heavier, cannot take as much load n lower travelling speeds?

Yup thats my guessing too.. Looks like they actually found out the issue already and slowly clear the defective train.

scarly bring back they change the defective parts and at the same time also change other working parts with scrap yard parts ... � [sly]

I so peasant also won't buy a China made car, wonder why the rich smrt want to buy a China train. But then hor, hongkong also use China train. But they don't have such problem leh.

I so peasant also won't buy a China made car, wonder why the rich smrt want to buy a China train. But then hor, hongkong also use China train. But they don't have such problem leh.

Because they are not the one taking the train ma. Peasants like you and me are.

Doesn't the buyer on such a large contract as this have inspectors on site to check materials workmanship, procedures etc etc.

The inspectors would normally be directly employed by the buyer over a long period or the buyer would employ a well reknowned worldwide inspection agency.

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The inspectors prolly sitting in a coffee shop all day

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Maybe inspections done at Qingdao KTVs.....

And the trains come back from China looking like this:

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:secret-laugh: � :XD:

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The Land Transport Authority (LTA) said the defects "are not safety-critical and do not affect the train's systems or performance", adding that it has been working closely with the manufacturer Kawasaki Heavy Industries and CSR Sifang�after defects were found on the trains purchased under C151A.�

http://www.channelne...ns/2931802.html

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Thanks to Factwire (who are they anyway?) for letting us know about this issue otherwise the public will still be in the dark.

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I find LTA's statement illogical. If there are cracks that are somehow not safety critical (is that even possible?) and don't affect the system or performance, then what is the point of sending it for replacement? Waste time ah?�

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If the statement were true, then the best solution is to ask the manufacturer for $$$ as a claim. Both sides happy cuz manufacturer would only pay out a fraction of the potential repair cost and SMRT gets $$$ for nothing.�

Edited by Kusje, 05 July 2016 - 06:47 PM.

Everything is china made.

chinese made train, chinese made lifts.

You get the idea.

After spending 2bn on such products, we got no sexperts who can tell whether our sexpensive products got problems a not [laugh]

And why so knn secretive over the whole affair? Scat people know ah? [laugh]

No wonder we need more engineers?

Edited by Weez911, 05 July 2016 - 07:18 PM.

No wonder smrt had to use back the old trains. The orange colour seat ones.

Now i know why.

Guys, Coe gonna cheong
Pls go do the needful
Want to renew one, hurry up renew
Want to buy one, hurry up buy
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After spending 2bn on such products, we got no sexperts who can tell whether our sexpensive products got problems a not

And why so knn secretive over the whole affair? Scat people know ah?

No wonder we need more engineers?

Scat has a few meaning. You know eh...

After spending 2bn on such products, we got no sexperts who can tell whether our sexpensive products got problems a not

And why so knn secretive over the whole affair? Scat people know ah?

No wonder we need more engineers?

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I thought most engineers quit.

No money in engineering, go to finance, sell property, sell insurance, maybe bcum taxi or uber drivers.

i am totally irked by the title "secretly recall"
wtf ... does that mean big prob = small prob = no prob = honest mistake = move on

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Yeah. Dunno how they conclude that its secretly recall. Its normal that these kind of cargo got to transport late at night. They won't be able to do it in the day.

http://www.channelne...ns/2931802.html

Thanks to Factwire (who are they anyway?) for letting us know about this issue otherwise the public will still be in the dark.

I find LTA's statement illogical. If there are cracks that are somehow not safety critical (is that even possible?) and don't affect the system or performance, then what is the point of sending it for replacement? Waste time ah?

If the statement were true, then the best solution is to ask the manufacturer for $$$ as a claim. Both sides happy cuz manufacturer would only pay out a fraction of the potential repair cost and SMRT gets $$$ for nothing.

7 yrs is like rebuild a brand new train rather then doing retrofitting repair for fault parts.

There is nothing much we can do since it already happened for the faulty train. Just hoped they that has learnt a big lesson and make sure not to repeat the same mistake for future train order and also the next big project which is bullet train. If bullet train also need to sent for recall, the cost will be a lot more massive..

Edited by Yewheng, 05 July 2016 - 09:25 PM.

Yeah. Dunno how they conclude that its secretly recall. Its normal that these kind of cargo got to transport late at night. They won't be able to do it in the day.

No pubic announcement?

Our mainstream media lai liao. �Report like no report like that sigh. �Only two sentences seem like their own value-add. �The rest all copy and paste from HK report. Very half-hearted article.

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It's possible to say MSM knows about it but blackout etc... but I think the MSM was simply clueless about it. And this incident leaked because given the sheer number of people involved, there's no way it can remain a secret forever.

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Quite a bad place to be caught for MSM... if they know, they are conspirators; if they don't know, they are lousy journalists.

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The ones we should really be looking at are LTA and the train operators.� [mad]

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The way the trains are wrapped up looks like it is done to cover up the incident, not to protect the train from the elements - there are much quicker and cheaper ways to do it. Even when the trains were first delivered, they weren't wrapped up...

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I searched for past precedence and realised that all of our current running stock arrived without such cover:

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In chronological order, let's start with EW/NS lines:

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Downtown line:

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Edited by Alheych, 05 July 2016 - 09:53 PM.

HK media must have had a tipoff. �Can cover from Jurong Port to Qingdao!

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Chinese saying," paper cannot hold fire". I wonder how long these LTA, SMRT and KBW are trying to keep quiet about this. LTY must have known something which prompted his departure. He's not going to be the fall guy when the lobang gets pichar.

Edited by Watwheels, 05 July 2016 - 10:00 PM.

Who is going to come forward, take a bow and pull his samurai word to Harakiri ?

It's possible to say MSM knows about it but blackout etc... but I think the MSM was simply clueless about it. And this incident leaked because given the sheer number of people involved, there's no way it can remain a secret forever.

Quite a bad place to be caught for MSM... if they know, they are conspirators; if they don't know, they are lousy journalists.

The ones we should really be looking at are LTA and the train operators.

The way the trains are wrapped up looks like it is done to cover up the incident, not to protect the train from the elements - there are much quicker and cheaper ways to do it. Even when the trains were first delivered, they weren't wrapped up...

I searched for past precedence and realised that all of our current running stock arrived without such cover:

In chronological order, let's start with EW/NS lines:

NE line:

Circle line:

Downtown line:

Maybe is not govt people wrap one
Maybe is The train maker wrap one?

garmen people: oeei!! Knn!!! The trains you sold us spoil one!!!! Tmd!!!
Maker: sorry sorry, we take back China repair. We will pay for freight. Sorry sorry!! We will ship back to factory at our own cost!! Sorry sorry
Garmen people:

Maybe is not govt people wrap one
Maybe is The train maker wrap one?

garmen people: oeei!! Knn!!! The trains you sold us spoil one!!!! Tmd!!!
Maker: sorry sorry, we take back China repair. We will pay for freight. Sorry sorry!! We will ship back to factory at our own cost!! Sorry sorry
Garmen people:

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Train maker: That is not the way to talk to the greatest civilisation on earth. You people better be grateful that we are selling you the trains and make sure you help to protect our reputation.

very expensive freight and trucking operations.

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many slots used and killed, trucking using cometto, lagi more expensive.

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:XD:

LTA reply liao. Defects not "safety-critical". Ok. But wait... need 7 years to repair?!?!

Is this another flooding-is-only-ponding-but-later-really-become-flooding case? Train involves thousands of lives really no joke.

LTA: Defects of trains not safety-critical, SMRT: Defects will be repaired by 2023
http://www.theonline...paired-by-2023/

In response to the news of SMRT Trains Ltd (SMRT) secretly sending 35 defective train carriages back to its manufacturer in June, the Land Transport Authority (LTA) has posted on its Facebook page, saying that it had been working closely with the train manufacturer and that the defects are not safety-critical.

Just today, FactWire News Agency, a watchdog news organization released an exclusive report on 35 train carriages belonging to local train operator, SMRT being shipped back to its manufacturer on 12 June due to alleged existing defects.

In its report, FactWire verified and documented the whole transportation after being tipped off by a mainland source in the railway industry that SMRT was secretly shipping defective trains back to mainland China for replacement and repair by manufacturer CSR Sifang Locomotive & Rolling Stock Company Ltd (CSR Sifang).

LTA wrote,

The Land Transport Authority has been working closely with train manufacturer, Kawasaki Heavy Industries & CSR Sifang, on defects that were found on trains purchased under C151A. These defects, found on the train body, are not safety-critical and do not affect the train�s systems or performance. The train manufacturer will be required to make good the defects as part of their warranty.

Trains on the rail network are extensively tested to ensure the safety and reliability of the train. Every train also undergoes a comprehensive regime of static and dynamic testing as well as interface testing to ensure its structural and operational integrity. After the testing is completed, the trains are delivered to Singapore for further testing before they are placed for passenger service.

However, LTA did not mention how long the repairs will take in its Facebook posting.

In response to media queries, SMRT Trains managing director Lee Ling Wee said: "Our engineers discovered that 26 of the 35 trains delivered by the manufacturer had cracks in the structure connecting the car body and the bogie after they were delivered in 2013."

"Since then, we have been working closely with the Land Transport Authority and the manufacturer to rectify the issue.

"The defective trains, which are still under warranty, will be repaired by the manufacturer. All 26 trains will be repaired by 2023."

This means that the "not safety-critical" defects as claimed by LTA, will take 7 years for the China based manufacturer to repair.

Mr Lee did not address the claims made by FactWire that SMRT suspected serious malfunctions occurred on the SMRT�s North South Line in December 2011, were caused by C151A trains manufactured by CSR Sifang. And neither did he dismissed the claim of a subcontractor responsible for supplying train components to CSR Sifang informing FactWire that SMRT significantly reduced the frequency of C151A trains after the malfunctions in 2011 and asked to delay payment for extra trains of the same series.

This raises questions as to when exactly did SMRT got to know of the existing defects in the train carriages.

Response by public by LTA's statement

Netizens were not convinced with LTA's statement made on its Facebook page and lambasted the stat board with further questions.

One commenter in particular, Emily Mok posted a series of questions to LTA.

This raises many questions:

1) If they're not safety-critical, why are they sent back? Who is paying for the transport? is it the LTA/SMRT (which really means us the taxpayers), or the manufacturers?

2) If they do not affect the train's systems or performance, see Q1 again.

3) Even with the self-proclaimed "extensively tested...reliability....comprehensive regime.. static and dynamic testing", our trains are breaking down at an alarming rate. Which means one of 2 things: either you guys are ticking those check marks w/o any checks whatsoever, or your testings standards are irrelevant.

4) Does the LTA / SMRT place profits, and profits alone, above safety of commuters, who incidentally are the ones paying for you to run the operations?

5) If news of this didn't break out online, does the LTA not intend to make this known to the public?

6) Why was this only made known to the public only AFTER news broke out online?

7) On a slightly unrelated note: Why is the CEO of SMART still getting close to $2m a year in remuneration, with such an atrocious string of breakdowns?

LTA did not reply to Mok's questions at the time of publication.

Edited by Jellandross, 05 July 2016 - 10:45 PM.

Jurong Port to Qingdao? Must be loading on RORO vessel? RORO owner and agent huat arh!

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HK media must have had a tipoff. �Can cover from Jurong Port to Qingdao!

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smrt need to pay GST when they purchased the trains from overseas or not???

Conspermed must one. Should be under LTA.

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smrt need to pay GST when they purchased the trains from overseas or not???

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HK media must have had a tipoff. Can cover from Jurong Port to Qingdao!

ISD may be asking who infiltrated singapore. .. and what else happened.

It's possible to say MSM knows about it but blackout etc... but I think the MSM was simply clueless about it. And this incident leaked because given the sheer number of people involved, there's no way it can remain a secret forever.

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Quite a bad place to be caught for MSM... if they know, they are conspirators; if they don't know, they are lousy journalists.

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The ones we should really be looking at are LTA and the train operators.�

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The way the trains are wrapped up looks like it is done to cover up the incident, not to protect the train from the elements - there are much quicker and cheaper ways to do it. Even when the trains were first delivered, they weren't wrapped up...

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Excellent research. This shows that there indeed was a cover up.

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Whether by SMRT, LTA or the train maker, I do not know.

How come the Kawasaki is so prominent whereas you can barely see their chinese partner's name?

Smrt muz cum clean!!!

No wonder smrt had to use back the old trains. The orange colour seat ones.

Now i know why.

How come the old trains still around? Thought after new trains have been used, old trains should scrap lo? Recently indeed see many old train running.

How come the old trains still around? Thought after new trains have been used, old trains should scrap lo? Recently indeed see many old train running.

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The first few batches, made by Kawasaki and Siemens, are still in very good condition. When it was due for refurbishment around 2006, some were found to have performed so much better than expected that they delayed the programme by a year or two.

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It was only later that we got Alstom, Bombardier, and China Sifang, whose products aren't so good.

From the picture of the defective train, dont remember i see such train running on our track now le? Are the trains already delivered but still not yet in operation?

Shame! Shame! Shame!

Wah this saga is more than meets the eye. I will follow like a hawk to understand why there is a cover up [laugh]

Meanwhile as a good citizen, I will pray that our old JDM trains continue to hold fort

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