mycarforum: ALL consolidated SMRT/NEL/KTM simisai BREAKDOWNS here! part 22

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Something is very wrong here. Both were new hires and on OJT, yet no supervisor around to guide them.

This is considered a high risk environment and they are so confident to let 2 newbies work on their own.

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Dare not think when SIA allows those on OJT to service the aircrafts without proper supervision.

My question to Desmond fxxk kuek! Have you ever tried personally walking on the track where train coming at 60km/h?

Hope you read this post. Train pulling into station, slowing down already generating such big draft. Never hear of the word domino effect. Walking on single file some more. It really show what kind of brain they are harbouring in their head. The more I read this news the more angry I get.

Don't worry. .. they will find him a GRC spot in time. Then maybe direct minister post to ensure living standards not effected.

If we are lucky. . They may just put him in bukit batok by election. ..

Station control would have to be informed if any person is down checking the track, so when trains coming in will be asked to slow down. Someone sleeping.

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This kind of safety protocol is standard.

If you have your people walking along a track, absolutely no train is allowed to move there.

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It's like if you have workers changing power lines.

Absolutely, every circuit there must be turned off before the work can begin.

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Or working in a shipyard, hot work can only be allowed when all safety protocols are observed.

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This is simply a breach in safety protocol, assuming there's one in SMRT.

Something is very wrong here. Both were new hires and on OJT, yet no supervisor around to guide them.
This is considered a high risk environment and they are so confident to let 2 newbies work on their own.

Dare not think when SIA allows those on OJT to service the aircrafts without proper supervision.

They were not alone. The deceased were 2nd and 3rd person walking in a single file, behind their
supervisor.

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why they no do this

Eh..this one they only reserve for mistakes made by opposition party members..once the MIW spots one such mistake they all pounce on it and�bay for blood.... [:p]

Smrt prove me wrong if you dare.

" we will relook at the safety protocol. Safety is our utmost concern. The negligent personnel/s have been severely deal with by warning and monetary diciplined. The names shall not be reveal to protect theor family members".

The SGH, mindef (smoke grenade case). One template apply across the board.

Something is very wrong here. Both were new hires and on OJT, yet no supervisor around to guide them.

This is considered a high risk environment and they are so confident to let 2 newbies work on their own.

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Dare not think when SIA allows those on OJT to service the aircrafts without proper supervision.

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I don't think they were alone. The article did state they were part of a team that went down to the tracks. So there should be other technicians or supervisor around.

Something is very wrong here. Both were new hires and on OJT, yet no supervisor around to guide them.

This is considered a high risk environment and they are so confident to let 2 newbies work on their own.

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Dare not think when SIA allows those on OJT to service the aircrafts without proper supervision.

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http://www.straitsti...sor-and-walking

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Read first.

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Sad to read that 2 techs died on the track. RIP and condolences to the families.

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The problem is probably the train running on automatic mode when maintenance was given a green light to go ahead. No driver in the train can pose a serious threat. But still need investigations to complete before concluding what happened.

They were not alone. The deceased were 2nd and 3rd person walking in a single file, behind their
supervisor.

Regardless 2, 3 or even last. They should not be allowed onto the track.

Since young we were all taught not to stand too near the road kerb. Car might knock us down. Correct me if I am wrong.

Ok nothing much to cmoment here. Except to accept the fact and move on.

Edited by Kopites, 22 March 2016 - 07:53 PM.

Eh..this one they only reserve for mistakes made by opposition party members..once the MIW spots one such mistake they all pounce on it and�bay for blood....

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B 4 Bull sh it [laugh]

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on a very serious note

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the 70% has spoken [lipsrsealed]

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Edited by Staff69, 22 March 2016 - 08:00 PM.

Suddenly everyone is an expert on workplace health and safety

Smrt must cum L?a?n? clean

yeah, I also suspect so

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machiam live firing, butt party needs to repair target board

all cease firing

butt party proceed

bang bang bang

knnnn!!! cease fire!!! cease fire!!! who misfire!!!!

consperm DB

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Using this analogy, if the procedures were all in place and the F-Up happened because a human or 2�in the chain went against protocol or just play wo-wo, it really isn't the fault of SMRT mgmt. or procedures then. Although ideally there should be some 4-eye policy in these scenarios (e.g. using the SAF range analogy, if the firer was being a cock and still aiming weapon the assistant should have changkol'ed his head).

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Lets see what they will reveal in the coming days.

This kind of safety protocol is standard.

If you have your people walking along a track, absolutely no train is allowed to move there.

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It's like if you have workers changing power lines.

Absolutely, every circuit there must be turned off before the work can begin.

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Or working in a shipyard, hot work can only be allowed when all safety protocols are observed.

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This is simply a breach in safety protocol, assuming there's one in SMRT.

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In my working industry. We call this lock out, tag out. Normally the person working on it will lock out. Others will not able to turn ON.

Smrt must cum L?a?n? clean

Otaku, I saw what you deleted there. Jin notti u.

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relax it still a b

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You know what B means in China? Maybe he is referring to that 'B'.

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On another note, 15 people at one time with trains still running seems odd. Considering that if they were OJT they would need to crowd around the maintenance point to watch what is going on.

Edited by Ake109, 22 March 2016 - 08:29 PM.

Seems like they were supposed to do something on one track (which was shut down) then for whatever reason crossed into the opposite track which still had trains running?

Suddenly everyone is an expert on workplace health and safety

Yup. Suddenly. Google experts. Usual la.

Given the recent incidents and sudden deaths, I think we should live life to the fullest and meaningfully.

Love our family and friends, including our MCF bros here.

Regardless 2, 3 or even last. They should not be allowed onto the track.

Since young we were all taught not to stand too near the road kerb. Car might knock us down. Correct me if I am wrong.

Ok nothing much to cmoment here. Except to accept the fact and move on.

chill Bro...I read the news oso feel pek chek. We're certainly saddened by this.

Given the recent incidents and sudden deaths, I think we should live life to the fullest and meaningfully.

Love our family and friends, including our MCF bros here.

Yes yes ... true ... i love u too

I need bros' assistance to help me understand the following phrase:

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http://www.channelne...or/2626070.html

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"Normally when that happens there's track access, they request for track authorisation from the Operations Control Centre. When given, they will then proceed to the track. In this instance, that was given. The power was supposed to be switched off when they reached the location but unfortunately the accident happened before they actually reached the site where they were supposed to do the investigation," he said."

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so...what happens if the power was switched off? the train would not move anymore?

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if not, does that mean that the procedure to prevent accidents from happening is inherently dangerous?

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the purpose of their going to the track is described as "investigation". does that mean they were not supposed to have done anything that could have changed the outcome of events?

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there is a logical leap which i cannot follow. please enlighten me.

Edited by Alheych, 22 March 2016 - 08:46 PM.

Yes yes ... true ... i love u too

Bro I run out of power liao. Feel very ?? le. Love you too!

i wonder what is the incident... time to go EDMW see see rook rook...

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Unbelievable suck thing can happen in Spore 1st world country. Thought, it happened in some 3rd world country. How to aim for HK standard. With tis unsolved signalling,, problems after problems got to tkk.

i'm extremely disappoint with this cow

look at what he said on his fb

self congrats and celebrates some bo liao milestone first

His mentaility and understanding needs to be corrected

The safety procedure needs to be strengthened?!

More like the safety procedure needs to be rectified?!

No, train was moving into the station.

Desmond Kuek said such practices have been carried out routinely.

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OMFG !!! SMRT have been routinely ENDANGERING the lives of their staff� [shakehead]

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0.5m width is quite narrow if you ask me, and from the pics, there were certain parts with no barriers.�

Do you guys know what is the meaning of SMRT means in Czech?

Go GOOGLE . It means DEATH
SMRT need to change the name.

Serious? My goodness!

His mentaility and understanding needs to be corrected

The safety procedure needs to be strengthened?!

More like the safety procedure needs to be rectified?!

It's the same meaning.

It is very congfusing, smoke grenade if you ask me.

Why is the frickin switch not in the station control but 150m away from the station? So if emergency and need to power down, someone have to run 150m??

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exactly. i quote again:

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The power was supposed to be switched off when they reached the location but unfortunately the accident happened before they actually reached the site where they were supposed to do the investigation.

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so they are switching off or doing investigation?

Bro I run out of power liao. Feel very �� le. Love you too!

Reminded me the song Power of Love waahahha

This CEO needs to go

Despite all the attention on SMRT, more and worst incidents are happening, obviously something somewhere is wrong and not getting the fix

There could 101 reasons given for this incident but as the CEO, he is in charge and he should be held accountable

Btw, he hasnt shown his problem solving capability up to now

Ok HR already spoken. .. pls issue letter keke

I just realise that these 2 guys only joined in Jan, which means they are still under probation. (If SMRT has probationary policy)

And knowing the crappy employment contract these days, I doubt they are adequately covered

exactly. i quote again:

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The power was supposed to be switched off when they reached the location but unfortunately the accident happened before they actually reached the site where they were supposed to do the investigation.

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so they are switching off or doing investigation?

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I'm very confused as well.

exactly. i quote again:

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The power was supposed to be switched off when they reached the location but unfortunately the accident happened before they actually reached the site where they were supposed to do the investigation.

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so they are switching off or doing investigation?

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Put someone's life in danger before you can de-danger yourself ?

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Shouldn't the switch be located in a safe zone, like a controller room ?

May be Bernoulli effect.

Smrt can say part of safety training is to give "wider berth" due to the effect.

So we ask - understanding their junior positions, was this aspect of safety training specifically impressed upon them?

My apologies. I get ahead of myself in unfortunate times like these.

OMFG !!! SMRT have been routinely ENDANGERING the lives of their staff�

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0.5m width is quite narrow if you ask me, and from the pics, there were certain parts with no barriers.�

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yah i saw the 0.5m-width illustration on the channel 8 news

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average Singaporean man shoulder width is about 40cm?

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that means they are walking only 5-10cm beside a train that is moving at 60km/h

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this is quite shocking

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Asked why the group was doing maintenance work while trains were operating, Mr Kuek said: "This is standard. Whenever there is a track fault, regardless if it is a revenue service or during engineering hours, we have to investigate."

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Choice of words betrays his real priorities.

exactly. i quote again:

The power was supposed to be switched off when they reached the location but unfortunately the accident happened before they actually reached the site where they were supposed to do the investigation.

so they are switching off or doing investigation?

I believe the switch is at the control room, only switching off the switch when the technicians reach the point is to reduce downtime to the mrt system so that all the complain kings and queen would not have to suffer long disruption in service.

I believe the switch is at the control room, only switching off the switch when the technicians reach the point is to reduce downtime to the mrt system so that all the complain kings and queen would not have to suffer long disruption in service.

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so what does switching off the switch do? stop the train?

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if what you said was really the case... i think kuek would have said it during the press conference to guilt-trip everyone.

The 15 men probably comprises of different teams of 4-5men, including OJT, incharge of different technical aspects of the rail be it electrical, mechanical, signal, etc. In order not to waste time all of them are mobilized to investigate what triggered the alarm. You know how sensitive ppl are to long intervals of train disruptions or delays.

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Just wondering, from the pic, the junction box isn't that big, for 15 men to crowd around it, more than 1 person would have to be standing on the track area or be so far removed visually that might as well not be there unless going along for the walk on track experience.

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Yes I know the accident happened before they even reached the box. Just saying.

OMFG !!! SMRT have been routinely ENDANGERING the lives of their staff

0.5m width is quite narrow if you ask me, and from the pics, there were certain parts with no barriers.

Maybe they thought pasir ris BTO flats can go 1.2m so this one they think 0.5m is Ok for MRT

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It is very congfusing, smoke grenade if you ask me.

Why is the frickin switch not in the station control but 150m away from the station? So if emergency and need to power down, someone have to run 150m??

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yes, this is very puzzling, so have to manage that distance to power down when trains are heading your way ...

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think the General should lead by example to show how it is done ...�

so what does switching off the switch do? stop the train?

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if what you said was really the case... i think kuek would have said it during the press conference to guilt-trip everyone.

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If he said that, he might as well tender his resignation straight away as well.

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He would be saying that they put reduced downtime over safety.

so what does switching off the switch do? stop the train?

if what you said was really the case... i think kuek would have said it during the press conference to guilt-trip everyone.

I believe it is to stop the train for them to do whatever investigation they need as they would have to get on the track.

Reminded me the song Power of Love waahahha
Ok HR already spoken. .. pls issue letter keke

U gay gay de, kekeke

Doggie no say anything [lipsrsealed]

yah i saw the 0.5m-width illustration on the channel 8 news

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average Singaporean man shoulder width is about 40cm?

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that means they are walking only 5-10cm beside a train that is moving at 60km/h

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this is quite shocking

They really got to have balls of steel to walk firmly & not waver anyhow, with train traveling at this speed. Man, didn't know those guys have to work in such situation. [thumbsup] �

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And condolences to the 2 [angel]

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May be Bernoulli effect.

Smrt can say part of safety training is to give "wider berth" due to the effect.

So we ask - understanding their junior positions, was this aspect of safety training specifically impressed upon them?

My apologies. I get ahead of myself in unfortunate times like these.

Bernoulli effect is Aerodynamics.

Heard one of the deceased staff was supposedly getting married this coming Saturday. Today is his birthday.

Choice of words betrays his real priorities.

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Asked why the group was doing maintenance work while trains were operating, Mr Kuek said: "This is standard. Whenever there is a track fault, regardless if it is a revenue service or during engineering hours, we have to investigate."

It sounds like this.

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SAF should allow those who's lanes that have finished live firing to go inspect the target, while other lanes are still firing.

"This is standard."

If someone gets hit by a stray bullet, it's not their problem.

It's the same meaning.

Strengthen is a mild way to put it when 2 lives are gone

Rectifying the problem is the upfront way to apologise for the mistake

Heard one of the deceased staff was supposedly getting married this coming Saturday. Today is his birthday.

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bro, I also read this and other info from the alternative websites. Before it can be verified, I think better to not quote from there.�

U gay gay de, kekeke

Doggie no say anything

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bec u said CEO need to go ma kekeke ok ok give him a chance�

i can only say, of all the sad people, mr Lui is the happier one [laugh]

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RIP, sons of Singapore

It sounds like this.

SAF should allow those who's lanes that have finished live firing to go inspect the target, while other lanes are still firing.
"This is standard."
If someone gets hit by a stray bullet, it's not their problem.

Mrt usually won't stray, if it strayed, then the problem would be a hundred time bigger.

The constant and frequent breakdown/delay on SMRT train already pissed me off, and now such�accident could even happened and when i see the way SMRT Ceo said to the press even makes me feel even more disgusted and pissed off of the whole SMRT.

Bernoulli effect is Aerodynamics.

Heard one of the deceased staff was supposedly getting married this coming Saturday. Today is his birthday.

Heard one of the girls employee crying, maybe the 2 guys fighting over that girl? Speculating to the max.

Think wait for the inquiry.

Then i rather he stick with strenghten. Why wayang by saying rectify

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Strengthen is a mild way to put it when 2 lives are gone

Rectifying the problem is the upfront way to apologise for the mistake

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Choice of words betrays his real priorities.

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If this is a common term used in the company. you cant really blame him for the choice of word.

How to justify the 2.3m pay for this ceo when the company is in a total mess? Instead of solving problems, but seems like there are more and more problems happening and frequently?

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Anyway, still don't understand how the train hit the 2 men?

How to justify the 2.3m pay for this ceo when the company is in a total mess? Instead of solving problems, but seems like there are more and more problems happening and frequently?

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Anyway, still don't understand how the train hit the 2 men?

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yes. this is the most important.

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How did the 2 men become the first to be hit after so many years of similar practise without issue.

I'm very confused as well.

If you cannot convince them ........ ahem ahem ahem.

yes. this is the most important.

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How did the 2 men become the first to be hit after so many years of similar practise without issue.

Hopefully after the investigating, they can provide true information on what has happened. Cause possible�that�the 2 men�were still new on the job, maybe they walk too close�to the track? Or they had walked onto the track?

Hopefully after the investigating, they can provide true information on what has happened. Cause possible�that�the 2 men�were still new on the job, maybe they walk too close�to the track? Or they had walked onto the track?

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we can only wait for the report finding. hopefully its not human mischieve that result in the accident.

Let's us all hope they will be more transparent about the findings and post findings follow ups. Don't be another SGH and MOH black hole.

If you cannot convince them ........ ahem ahem ahem.

confusing meh?

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it just mean they are suppose to reach destination. then switch off. Then proceed with maintenance. But they didnt reach on time.

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The question we should be asking is, why reach liao then switch off and not before? iszi because switch off liao will become major stoppage of line due to the time it take for the staff to reach the destinated area? if so, can we accept that MRT or which ever company stop the train service everytime they want to do maintenance? if not, can they build another thread outside of the current track for them to walk instead of the current one?

Edited by Joseph22, 22 March 2016 - 11:07 PM.

we can only wait for the report finding. hopefully its not human mischieve that result in the accident.

Hopefully it is not human mischief, cause really a mystery why the train only hit the 2nd and 3rd men while so many of them were walking along the track?

Hopefully it is not human mischief, cause really a mystery why the train only hit the 2nd and 3rd men while so many of them were walking along the track?

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hopefully not murder also [sweatdrop]

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okay a bit too far fetch.

i can only say, of all the sad people, mr Lui is the happier one

RIP, sons of Singapore

Ya lor ya lor, my friend saw him just last few days at tampines gaint, according to her, he looks happy [laugh]

Ya lor ya lor, my friend saw him just last few days at tampines gaint, according to her, he looks happy

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Any minister that step down look happier.

Any minister that step down look happier.

+relief

OMFG !!! SMRT have been routinely ENDANGERING the lives of their staff

0.5m width is quite narrow if you ask me, and from the pics, there were certain parts with no barriers.

I feel such method of inspection has the same risk as lift technician working in the lift pit with the lift still operating.

I remember when I was doing OJT and was following lift technician on how to rescue trapped lift passenger, the technician said they will never work in a lift pit if the lift car is not called to a stop, because the pit floor has little clearance, and too risky, the rule also said lift must never move during servicing.

I believe no commuters ever know that SMRT engineers routinely carry out such checks and no one would ever mind to have a longer waiting time than to put people lives at risk.

We can ask any aircraft technician if they'll ever walk behind or in front of and idling jet engine. No because rule number one says cannot. And they have a rule that protect their safety.

I keep having the impression SMRT system cannot cope already with something designed 30 years ago.

Edited by Atonchia, 22 March 2016 - 11:16 PM.

If this is a common term used in the company. you cant really blame him for the choice of word.

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I guess we'd have to blame the company culture.

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And maybe the CEO since he is in charge of forming the company culture (oops, went one round and right back at him!).

+relief

To think there are people dying to get in.

I guess we'd have to blame the company culture.

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And maybe the CEO since he is in charge of forming the company culture (oops, went one round and right back at him!).

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Have to see who coin that term lah. Maybe is saw.

I feel such method of inspection has the same risk as lift technician working in the lift pit with the lift still operating.

I remember when I was doing OJT and was following lift technician on how to rescue trapped lift passenger, the technician said they will never work in a lift pit if the lift car is not called to a stop, because the pit floor has little clearance, and too risky, the rule also said lift must never move during servicing.

I believe no commuters ever know that SMRT engineers routinely carry out such checks and no one would ever mind to have a longer waiting time than to put people lives at risk.

We can ask any aircraft technician if they'll ever walk behind or in front of and idling jet engine. No because rule number one says cannot. And they have a rule that protect their safety.

I keep having the impression SMRT system cannot cope already with something designed 30 years ago.

i hope this is true. But looking at the way some people post on facebook. there will be someone who throw shit.

Edited by Joseph22, 22 March 2016 - 11:19 PM.

To think there are people dying to get in.

Have to see who coin that term lah. Maybe is saw.

Give it a shot to be millionaire, why not try try, see when luck runs out

Recent events sure calls for more scrutinizing and reworking of policies, procedures and protocols.

One thing remain unchanged is the transparency and liability in the events that follows. Like the NS case, Hep C case, most info are withheld, penalties are so called dish out but with no accountability.

I wonder how much more can the people accept the �you talk, we listen� policies anymore.

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Also with all these KPI and �Out � ing� mentality of outperform, outsmart, out achieve in stats boards and government organization, are we moving towards a more gracious and efficient country but at the mercy of soulless and heartless office holders or are we moving towards a heartless and soulless country at the expense of the gracious and acquiesce citizens?

Recent events sure calls for more scrutinizing and reworking of policies, procedures and protocols.
One thing remain unchanged is the transparency and liability in the events that follows. Like the NS case, Hep C case, most info are withheld, penalties are so called dish out but with no accountability.
I wonder how much more can the people accept the �you talk, we listen� policies anymore.

Also with all these KPI and �Out � ing� mentality of outperform, outsmart, out achieve in stats boards and government organization, are we moving towards a more gracious and efficient country but at the mercy of soulless and heartless office holders or are we moving towards a heartless and soulless country at the expense of the gracious and acquiesce citizens?

so what kind of accountability you want to see in those case that you mention?

I feel such method of inspection has the same risk as lift technician working in the lift pit with the lift still operating.

I remember when I was doing OJT and was following lift technician on how to rescue trapped lift passenger, the technician said they will never work in a lift pit if the lift car is not called to a stop, because the pit floor has little clearance, and too risky, the rule also said lift must never move during servicing.

I believe no commuters ever know that SMRT engineers routinely carry out such checks and no one would ever mind to have a longer waiting time than to put people lives at risk.

We can ask any aircraft technician if they'll ever walk behind or in front of and idling jet engine. No because rule number one says cannot. And they have a rule that protect their safety.

I keep having the impression SMRT system cannot cope already with something designed 30 years ago.

Accidents can happen anytime anywhere in construction sites and on roads too - and of late trending is taking Selfies too . the tube in London is 150 years old so also is the subway in NY too over 100 years old and the HK MTR is slightly older than ours - it's a learning process

Kbw sibeh cbl

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yes that's what I meant. Could be from him all the way down, bad judgement passed down

I guess we'd have to blame the company culture.

And maybe the CEO since he is in charge of forming the company culture (oops, went one round and right back at him!).

Company culture take years to form, it usually stay with the oldest one if most of the employees are still around.

It will change only if the top management implement and practice something good. But in today's business how many model company that use to have good culture still maintian those good stuff, many if not all gives way to the bottom line.

Many good ones we know many years ago now kena condemns by people.

+relief

Any minister who retires with a 8 figure bank account plus nice fat GLC posts has to be reliefed ma.

To think there are people dying to get in.

Have to see who coin that term lah. Maybe is saw.

i hope this is true. But looking at the way some people post on facebook. there will be someone who throw shit.

The track had signalling problem. let's say Coz it's still service time, since the trains are "alive", the maintenance sop is to leave it till off service to look at it. When trains cannot move then how? No service for whole day how? Already we see Sporeans complaining like its the end of the world for a delay of 15mins...

And here we are sitting at home playing experts and judges..

Point is let's wait for the investigation to be completed. In the mean time lets keep the families of the deceased, the driver and the other 13 in our prayers and support.

Edited by BenTong, 23 March 2016 - 08:23 AM.

unbelievable cow.
I initially thought this was posted days before.

even putting things in context, the phrasing reflect bad judgement. And its typed, not spoken, so one has all the time to think through.
maybe its top down.

It is incredulous . How can the minister be so callous as to speak in the same breath reliability performance (100 days record) and talk about the 2 deaths . Is this real? Seriously this is a sucidal misjudgment

Hey guys, can anyone tell me on which track does the trains travel on in it's daily operations? Left or right?

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From the photo of the accident, it seems that the SMRT technicians/engineers were walking with their backs facing the oncoming trains.

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What you think? If I remember correctly, the trains run on the left track? [confused]

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Seriously I look at such comments I do not know what to say. The railway tracks are built back in the 80s to 90s, maintainence crew have been in and out of it for so many years w/o mishap. In this case something must have happened out of the norm for it to cause death.

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I think ppl need to relax and chill. Just wait for the detail investigation report and not blow things up for no good reason. For ppl to go OMG or get angry won't help anyone. Let ppl do their job to find out what actually happen.

Hey guys, can anyone tell me on which track does the trains travel on in it's daily operations? Left or right?

From the photo of the accident, it seems that the SMRT technicians/engineers were walking with their backs facing the oncoming trains.

What you think? If I remember correctly, the trains run on the left track?

They were walking facing the incoming train .

Company culture take years to form, it usually stay with the oldest one if most of the employees are still around.

It will change only if the top management implement and practice something good. But in today's business how many model company that use to have good culture still maintian those good stuff, many if not all gives way to the bottom line.

Many good ones we know many years ago now kena condemns by people.

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101% agreed with you.

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Nowadays, those so called 'high flyers' who come in into a company base on his qualification would change the culture to suit his style. 'He' will always label those donkeys years culture as "outdated". :confident:

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Furthermore, once a company is listed lagi got KPI to ensure money making is above all which let to cutting corners in order to save.

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One of the main culprit in a company with high flyer CEO�is believing that 'one old worker wages could pay for 2�or 3 younger workers' and failing to realise that the older workers have the years of experience with them... :lll._.: ��

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Not say that I am selfish, I myself with years of working�through trial & error learning experience will�not impart�my skill to the younger ones fully. They have to learn through trail & error with guidance from me, not spoon feed. :yuush: �. My superior did not spoon feed me when I newly joint a company.

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No matter how, those older workers should be recognised as a company asset than KPI .. � :ignoring:

i'm extremely disappoint with this cow

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look at what he said on his fb

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self congrats and celebrates some bo liao milestone first

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Correct me if I am wrong, I get the feeling that he is insinuating that if not for the 2 deaths, they would have gone beyond 150days disruption free? :lll._.:

Seriously I look at such comments I do not know what to say. The railway tracks are built back in the 80s to 90s, maintainence crew have been in and out of it for so many years w/o mishap. In this case something must have happened out of the norm for it to cause death.

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I think ppl need to relax and chill. Just wait for the detail investigation report and not blow things up for no good reason. For ppl to go OMG or get angry won't help anyone. Let ppl do their job to find out what actually happen.

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Hmmmm.............. a sudden 'cross wind' pushes them.. [lipsrsealed] ��

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As stated, a group of them walking with the supervisor walking in front. The accident happen on the second & third persons. Could the 2 was playing a fool whilst walking to the 'control' box ? �

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Only the fourth person and the rest behind will know.. :sick:

yah i saw the 0.5m-width illustration on the channel 8 news

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average Singaporean man shoulder width is about 40cm?

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that means they are walking only 5-10cm beside a train that is moving at 60km/h

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this is quite shocking

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I'm assuming... as I don't know their sop... that when a train approaches... you don't continue walking towards it on the walkway... but rather stand with your back to the railing and hold on to dear life while the train barrels away. In which case... the .5m width is adequate... from my memory... the tunnels on the London Tube are also narrow... so I doubt this .5m width here is unique or an anomaly for just SG.

I feel such method of inspection has the same risk as lift technician working in the lift pit with the lift still operating.

I remember when I was doing OJT and was following lift technician on how to rescue trapped lift passenger, the technician said they will never work in a lift pit if the lift car is not called to a stop, because the pit floor has little clearance, and too risky, the rule also said lift must never move during servicing.

I believe no commuters ever know that SMRT engineers routinely carry out such checks and no one would ever mind to have a longer waiting time than to put people lives at risk.

We can ask any aircraft technician if they'll ever walk behind or in front of and idling jet engine. No because rule number one says cannot. And they have a rule that protect their safety.

I keep having the impression SMRT system cannot cope already with something designed 30 years ago.

I think�not the main reason�that the SMRT system is designed 30 years ago lor. Cause many train system around the world even much older than our system, and yet they might not have so many issues and problems that SMRT is now facing.

If that was their first time on track.� Don't the supervisor warn them of the oncoming train? �

And the 4th person walking behind the 2 deceased didn't tell them that they were walking too close to the track and they should walk nearer to the railing or wall?

They are trainee, their first time, shouldn't the experienced staff in front of them and behind of them (the 1st and 4th in the row) watch out for them?

Or shouldn't they have a buddy system where at least one of the experienced staff walk behind each of the trainee in order to guide them or take care of them while on track?

confusing meh?

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it just mean they are suppose to reach destination. then switch off. Then proceed with maintenance. But they didnt reach on time.

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The question we should be asking is, why reach liao then switch off and not before? iszi because switch off liao will become major stoppage of line due to the time it take for the staff to reach the destinated area? if so, can we accept that MRT or which ever company stop the train service everytime they want to do maintenance? if not, can they build another thread outside of the current track for them to walk instead of the current one?

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I see that if �they have stopped the train service to investigate each of these sensor flagged anomaly on the track, they would not have reached the 150 disruption free days as proudly celebrated and announced by our $8/heart surgery minister.

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In another words, absolute safety (disrupt train service to maintain track) gives way to relative safety (continue maintaining track at supposedly mitigated personal risk to the service crew) in the name of meeting KPI.

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Sad day for public transport in Singapore.

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RIP to the deceased n condolences to their families

Not only that, hope the other track workers who were with them and the driver of the train can get some counseling as well, not just for the sake of doing it.

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SMRT should provide them counseling for as long as they need it.

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