mycarforum: ALL consolidated SMRT/NEL/KTM simisai BREAKDOWNS here! part 3

Sudden spike of breakdowns of our largest transportation system. Could be sign of something big is coming soon

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I think it's accumulated. Just like all the while never service and maintain your car it starts to give you a couple of problems every month. Focus so much on making profit. Now fare hike from last year 3.2% to this year 2.8% in a bid to cover maintenance and repair costs. Why are the commuters made to suffer the incompetence of the train operator mismanagement?

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I think it's accumulated. Just like all the while never service and maintain your car it starts to give you a couple of problems every month. Focus so much on making profit. Now fare hike from last year 3.2% to this year 2.8% in a bid to cover maintenance and repair costs. Why are the commuters made to suffer the incompetence of the train operator mismanagement?

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For NS line, the 'maintenance' angle still ok. For Circle, DTL? Tot they just open the some of the stn last mth? Why so fast? �

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statement chut liao .... it's "ageing rail network" ... move on

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Mr Desmond Kuek, President and Group Chief Executive Officer of SMRT, added: �We apologise for the rail incidents over the past week. Our transport professionals are giving their all to make your journey a better one. The SMRT team will stay focused on safety and reliability improvements as we work to renew Singapore�s ageing rail network to the benefit of our commuters."

Edited by Matrix0405, 04 March 2015 - 01:08 PM.

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For NS line, the 'maintenance' angle still ok. For Circle, DTL? Tot they just open the some of the stn last mth? Why so fast? �

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statement chut liao .... it's "ageing rail network" ... move on

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Mr Desmond Kuek, President and Group Chief Executive Officer of SMRT, added: �We apologise for the rail incidents over the past week. Our transport professionals are giving their all to make your journey a better one. The SMRT team will stay focused on safety and reliability improvements as we work to renew Singapore�s ageing rail network to the benefit of our commuters."

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"The rigorous judging process reaffirms that SMRT's enterprise risk management programme is truly world-class, and delivers superior value for our stakeholders,"

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notice the word stakeholders, not public users....

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"The rigorous judging process reaffirms that SMRT's enterprise risk management programme is truly world-class, and delivers superior value for our stakeholders,"

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notice the word stakeholders, not public users....

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"SINGAPORE: SMRT Corporation has won an international award for its�enterprise risk management programme -�first time that SMRT has won such an award."

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It means shareholders, stakeholders, management, elites or whatever anyone wants to call it will not suffer from the breakdowns yet get lots of money from it - zero risk.

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How not to get an award for that? <_<

So if there is train break-down, when passenger leaving the MRT station, still need to pay?

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I think it's accumulated. Just like all the while never service and maintain your car it starts to give you a couple of problems every month. Focus so much on making profit. Now fare hike from last year 3.2% to this year 2.8% in a bid to cover maintenance and repair costs. Why are the commuters made to suffer the incompetence of the train operator mismanagement?

This is how it works here. From public transport management to political policy also same. Any misjudged from them, commoners have to suffer.�

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"SINGAPORE: SMRT Corporation has won an international award for its�enterprise risk management programme -�first time that SMRT has won such an award."

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It means shareholders, stakeholders, management, elites or whatever anyone wants to call it will not suffer from the breakdowns yet get lots of money from it - zero risk.

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How not to get an award for that?

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Wow !

The best award that it truely deserves ....

No risk at all: income increases, profits increase, everyone's pockets full full, and heck care abt breakdowns cos, their management and our garmen don't take public transport ....

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The general public suffers... and yet, there is nothing mention of compensation to the affected commuters....

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Wow !

The best award that it truely deserves ....

No risk at all: income increases, profits increase, everyone's pockets full full, and heck care abt breakdowns cos, their management and our garmen don't take public transport ....

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The general public suffers... and yet, there is nothing mention of compensation to the affected commuters....

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The only compensation commuters will get is no fare increase until after election. -_-

World class public transport system! Amazing result! [thumbsup]

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They should get the engineers who maintain the ERP system to maintain MRT.

Edited by Aaronlkl, 04 March 2015 - 02:16 PM.

Is it because they still have not found the root cause of so many breakdown for the past few�years?

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It seems like they are trying to fix the issue they thought is the problem but in fact it is more deep than that.

If not I cannot think of so many breakdown even after they ramp up the change of wooden slaps to concrete slaps and other measures that they had took but do not improve.
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So conclusion is that they maybe chasing the wrong direction and the root of the problem still haven't found and solve yet.

* Until they found the root cause of the problem and tackle it , if not I still think they are all going towards the wrong direction . :-X

Example london heathrow crash landing, see how investigation team took so long to find out the root cause of problem that cause the crash.
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So SMRT really found the root cause of problem ?
If yes why are there still so many breakdown ?

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My guess is they know the problem and root cause...

it is just not politically wise to divulge the info and technically too costly to fix quickly.

and the engineers who know the issues are probably gone one way or another..

My guess is they know the problem and root cause...
it is just not politically wise to divulge the info and technically too costly to fix quickly.
and the engineers who know the issues are probably gone one way or another..

I don't think so. You see are, there is a point of time they pin point the wooden slap maybe too old and need replacement to concrete slap which should solve the problem. But till now breakdown still occur. Somewhat I still feel they thought the found the root cause of problem and fixing only a small portion of it. The wooden slap maybe only a small part of the problem. There maybe more deep to it to the new train they bought is it too heavy as compared to older train? Why last time seldom hear of so many breakdown till only past few years. So what have they done for the past few years that is different from what that had done more then 5yrs ago? Is it overload of people taking train plus newer train that is heavier then older train which combined that cause so much track problem?

Edited by Yewheng, 04 March 2015 - 02:29 PM.

I don't think so. You see are, there is a point of time they pin point the wooden slap maybe too old and need replacement to concrete slap which should solve the problem. But till now breakdown still occur. Somewhat I still feel they thought the found the root cause of problem and fixing only a small portion of it. The wooden slap maybe only a small part of the problem. There maybe more deep to it to the new train they bought is it too heavy as compared to older train? Why last time seldom hear of so many breakdown till only past few years. So what have they done for the past few years that is different from what that had done more then 5yrs ago? Is it overload of people taking train plus newer train that is heavier then older train which combined that cause so much track problem?

yes there are lots of problems. major and minor ones. but all seems to be able to cause disruptions.

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you know what they call the root cause of the problem with a system with so many problems?

management incompetence.

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up north they call it something else.. :ph34r:

If SMRT was a truly private company with real competitions, heads would have rolled long time ago.

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Here. they just try to hide incompetency.

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For NS line, the 'maintenance' angle still ok. For Circle, DTL? Tot they just open the some of the stn last mth? Why so fast? �

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statement chut liao .... it's "ageing rail network" ... move on

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Mr Desmond Kuek, President and Group Chief Executive Officer of SMRT, added: �We apologise for the rail incidents over the past week. Our transport professionals are giving their all to make your journey a better one. The SMRT team will stay focused on safety and reliability improvements as we work to renew Singapore�s ageing rail network to the benefit of our commuters."

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Lowest bidder wins the contract mah.

I believe something should be done.. Too many breakdowns a year, eg 5 or more, the company doesnt qualify to increase fare.

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I guess many will agree with me! Haha!

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I still wont give up my car for public transport

I believe something should be done.. Too many breakdowns a year, eg 5 or more, the company doesnt qualify to increase fare.

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I guess many will agree with me! Haha!

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I still wont give up my car for public transport

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So many breakdowns and still have the cheek to increase fares .... WTF.

Folks! �Seeing that this is going to be a regular affair, kindly post ALL SMRT TRAIN BREAKDOWNS here!!!

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I will delete all other MRT breakdown startups!

�Talk about ripple effect.

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MRT break down, the Mods also sibei bo eng...

�Talk about ripple effect.

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MRT break down, the Mods also sibei bo eng...

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lol...if not sure busy looking at all other threads nia....kekekekek

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Believe it or not, I think the only way to fix the constant breakdowns is to reduce the fare. Breakdown more, reduce more. Hit them where it hurts.

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Only then they will wake up their idea. The fare increases will only make them complacent.

this will only means the company will punish the engineer and administrative staff

reduce salary and bonuses for 90% of the staff .... the top 10% still no $1M no talk ...

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Believe it or not, I think the only way to fix the constant breakdowns is to reduce the fare. Breakdown more, reduce more. Hit them where it hurts.

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Only then they will wake up their idea. The fare increases will only make them complacent.

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Edited by Wt_know, 04 March 2015 - 06:45 PM.

this will only means the company will punish the engineer and administrative staff

reduce salary and bonuses for 90% of the staff .... the top 10% still no $1M no talk ...

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You think 90% of the staff will accept reduce salary? MOM will have to step in if they do that.

SMRT CEO did not act on COI recommendations swiftly

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Believe it or not, I think the only way to fix the constant breakdowns is to reduce the fare. Breakdown more, reduce more. Hit them where it hurts.
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Only then they will wake up their idea. The fare increases will only make them complacent.

If this is really happen, then i believe there will be more breakdowns, cause they would say they are not making enough money. Even now after they have increased fare, still have breakdown.

SMRT CEO did not act on COI recommendations swiftly
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I thot there was a graph showing maintenance expense maintaining despite rapidly rising ridership for several years

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But when the precious resource is not taken care of by our leaders, all of us pay the price
Better take good care of the assets left behind by our forefathers
Defense, water, education, power, police, fire station, cpf, reserves
Focus on core competences instead of those sexy sidelines

If this is really happen, then i believe there will be more breakdowns, cause they would say they are not making enough money. Even now after they have increased fare, still have breakdown.

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Then how? For every breakdown less got to increase fare 2x? Then breakdown once or twice a year got to pay 20x to achieve? [dizzy]

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Time to buy SMRT shares [grin]

Believe it or not, I think the only way to fix the constant breakdowns is to reduce the fare. Breakdown more, reduce more. Hit them where it hurts.
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Only then they will wake up their idea. The fare increases will only make them complacent.

Agreed should reduce fare. Even reduce 1-2 cts also Good. So, at least if breakdown, ppl won't complain cos fare reduce mah. Quality not so good mah. Lol.

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lol...all cannot go vote...and when reach, pek chek...

Walking distance mah. Instead ppl will show their pek chek on Pappies.
Haha

I thot there was a graph showing maintenance expense maintaining despite rapidly rising ridership for several years

?????????
But when the precious resource is not taken care of by our leaders, all of us pay the price
Better take good care of the assets left behind by our forefathers
Defense, water, education, power, police, fire station, cpf, reserves
Focus on core competences instead of those sexy sidelines

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Then how? For every breakdown less got to increase fare 2x? Then breakdown once or twice a year got to pay 20x to achieve?

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Time to buy SMRT shares

Lol, no matter in what case also smrt will win la. As a commoner, we cannot do anything lo.

Thats barely 20 percent of other city 's maintenance budget from the pic.

No wonder bike coe oso rocket.

LTA should just schedule portions of the network to be shutdown, system wide over a period, for major maintenance. At least this will be a planned event for the operator to do round the clock maintenance. This is just like how those in the oil and gas industry that has planned shut down for major maintenance.

CCB..................my daughter had to walk home from Boob Lay MRT last night...............she said whole place in a mess...............no control ..................no signage..........no one knows what happen.............

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First world transportation..................my feet!!!!............. [mad] � [mad] � [mad] ��

Believe it or not, I think the only way to fix the constant breakdowns is to reduce the fare. Breakdown more, reduce more. Hit them where it hurts.

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Only then they will wake up their idea. The fare increases will only make them complacent.

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Tomorrow I praise you for this suggestion................every breakdown reduce 10% for 3 months..................if 3 months soon soon balu can restore the price.................if break down again within 3 months.............reduce another 10%..............

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We must reward and punish mah....................simi is "unacceptable"..............use mouth say.............everyone also know lah........... [laugh] � [laugh] � [laugh]

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I thot there was a graph showing maintenance expense maintaining despite rapidly rising ridership for several years

?????????
But when the precious resource is not taken care of by our leaders, all of us pay the price
Better take good care of the assets left behind by our forefathers
Defense, water, education, power, police, fire station, cpf, reserves
Focus on core competences instead of those sexy sidelines

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This is one incident..............not only i support you stir................I also join you stir..................tomorrow I praise you.......... [laugh] � [laugh] � [laugh]

this will only means the company will punish the engineer and administrative staff

reduce salary and bonuses for 90% of the staff .... the top 10% still no $1M no talk ...

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aiya.................can always include...........cut CEO 10% pay.................or he cut stomach............ [laugh] � [laugh] � [laugh]

CCB..................my daughter had to walk home from Boob Lay MRT last night...............she said whole place in a mess...............no control ..................no signage..........no one knows what happen.............

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First world transportation..................my feet!!!!............. � � ��

Not the first time no control, no signage and no one knows what happen lo. This is how our first class transport operate!

World class public transport system! Amazing result!

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They should get the engineers who maintain the ERP system to maintain MRT.

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What? And have the ERP breakdown and lose revenue? Cannot la...

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What's the problem with collecting more money? More money always better than less money mah..

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What? And have the ERP breakdown and lose revenue? Cannot la...
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What's the problem with collecting more money? More money always better than less money mah..

Ya hor, how come erp boh breakdown ahh
Tuck Yew and Desmond in hiding mode or harakiri liao?

Sinkapore elite haha camouflage until you can see them

Ya hor, how come erp boh breakdown ahh
Tuck Yew and Desmond in hiding mode or harakiri liao?

There is one thing I like to highlight is that a lot people just look at surface saying smrt spend a lot less $ on maintenance so that must be the problem. Smrt should up maintenance. However just by looking at spending on maintenance is not enough.

Look at it another way, why can't they be very efficient in maintaining the system that reduce the uncessery overheads, uncessery overtime and more efficient machines etc that translate to lower cost of maintenance with the same amount of work done? This is just an example, of cause we do not know what's in their maintainance schedule what have they done etc so not going to comment much on this.

What I am saying is that I still feel it's more deep then just maintenance. Those who so quick to pin point on maintenance especially from Lta and etc need to relook again. There maybe more than one causes? Maybe maintenance is part of the issue? Maybe there is nothing wrong with maintenance but other thing else? Only we know the full details then will have more accurate picture.

A higher cost in allocation to maintenance does not necessarily mean sure will improve if there is no concrete plan on what there is to be done to improve.

Edited by Yewheng, 05 March 2015 - 07:58 AM.

I thot there was a graph showing maintenance expense maintaining despite rapidly rising ridership for several years

?????????
But when the precious resource is not taken care of by our leaders, all of us pay the price
Better take good care of the assets left behind by our forefathers
Defense, water, education, power, police, fire station, cpf, reserves
Focus on core competences instead of those sexy sidelines

Tiagong our leaders like benchmarking
Looks like the mrt lines were simply placed on the back seat, while sexy jewel projects get all the funds
You won't see any of the pro pap chaps coming in to defend
Because the position is simply indefensible
The only way is to attack when possible, leaving this flank open

There is one thing I like to highlight is that a lot people just look at surface saying smrt spend a lot less $ on maintenance so that must be the problem. Smrt should up maintenance. However just by looking at spending on maintenance is not enough.

Look at it another way, why can't they be very efficient in maintaining the system that reduce the uncessery overheads, uncessery overtime and more efficient machines etc that translate to lower cost of maintenance with the same amount of work done? This is just an example, of cause we do not know what's in their maintainance schedule what have they done etc so not going to comment much on this.

What I am saying is that I still feel it's more deep then just maintenance. Those who so quick to pin point on maintenance especially from Lta and etc need to relook again. There maybe more than one causes? Maybe maintenance is part of the issue? Maybe there is nothing wrong with maintenanceh but other thing else? Only we know the full details then will have more accurate picture.

The coi showed that clearly insufficient maintenance was the cause
That by itself is power enough

that's because for the past 5 years or even longer SMRT focus on marketing revenue and rental yield from all their mrt station ... chasing high profit at all cost ... some say "neglecting" their core business which is "reliable" transportation

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There is one thing I like to highlight is that a lot people just look at surface saying smrt spend a lot less $ on maintenance so that must be the problem. Smrt should up maintenance. However just by looking at spending on maintenance is not enough.

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Edited by Wt_know, 05 March 2015 - 08:01 AM.

Lest anyone forgot, here goes
Enjoy the bashing

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somebody shd create an app for this. �Like 4D results... � �

Singapore pools should start giving odds on the frequency of these breakdown.....everybody still can earn money amidst these corkups!

Tiagong our leaders like benchmarking

The only way is to attack when possible, leaving this flank open

Your statement somewhat reminded me about the AHPETC debate recently...

There is one thing I like to highlight is that a lot people just look at surface saying smrt spend a lot less $ on maintenance so that must be the problem. Smrt should up maintenance. However just by looking at spending on maintenance is not enough.

Look at it another way, why can't they be very efficient in maintaining the system that reduce the uncessery overheads, uncessery overtime and more efficient machines etc that translate to lower cost of maintenance with the same amount of work done? This is just an example, of cause we do not know what's in their maintainance schedule what have they done etc so not going to comment much on this.

What I am saying is that I still feel it's more deep then just maintenance. Those who so quick to pin point on maintenance especially from Lta and etc need to relook again. There maybe more than one causes? Maybe maintenance is part of the issue? Maybe there is nothing wrong with maintenance but other thing else? Only we know the full details then will have more accurate picture.

A higher cost in allocation to maintenance does not necessarily mean sure will improve if there is no concrete plan on what there is to be done to improve.

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COI incompetent? conclusions wrong?

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Lest anyone forgot, here goes
Enjoy the bashing

In this Internet era, nothing can be forgotten, and I believe this and many others will pop up during the GE campaign.

See the above article?
Core competencies don't get sufficient attention, funds, quality manpower

Pet jewel projects gets funding

Where is the leadership?

but SMRT just won enterprise risk management award ... where got risk ... where got lapses .... ?

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Edited by Wt_know, 05 March 2015 - 08:08 AM.

Your statement somewhat reminded me about the AHPETC debate recently...

Rommel did the same during the later portions when he was in Africa
Despite being slamed upside downside by the allies, he chut surprise attacks on allies
That guy is one heck of a general

but SMRT just won enterprise risk management award ... where got risk ... where got lapses .... ?
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Tiagong grade b wor

Slam ah slam [laugh]

This flank no one will defend
If my boss ask me defend, I also zhao fast fast [laugh]

CCB..................my daughter had to walk home from Boob Lay MRT last night...............she said whole place in a mess...............no control ..................no signage..........no one knows what happen.............
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First world transportation..................my feet!!!!............. � � ��

My wife experience during one of the breakdown last year shows that nothing has been put in place at the affected station. No announcement for the first 10 to 15 min, then followed by a on screen display that state issue with track (or something like that) & train service will resume in 10 min time. And for the next 20 over min, no update, no PA announcement or any MRT staff coming up to do crowd control, etc. etc.

That is when she called me to pick her up. And by the time I reach the affected station (a good 1 hour after my wife step onto the platform) we then see MRT staff putting up signage for "free" bus services...

The best part, CNA reported that train service resumed within 20 min (simply because they take reference from the time free bus service become available)!!!

that's because for the past 5 years or even longer SMRT focus on marketing revenue and rental yield from all their mrt station ... chasing high profit at all cost ... some say "neglecting" their core business which is "reliable" transportation
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In recent memory, the zoos, bird park, science centre were given to profit focus leadership
Previous leaders were experts, scientists, doctor. Now is marketing ceo. If profit is the core competency, good decision there

My wife experience during one of the breakdown last year shows that nothing has been put in place at the affected station. No announcement for the first 10 to 15 min, then followed by a on screen display that state issue with track (or something like that) & train service will resume in 10 min time. And for the next 20 over min, no update, no PA announcement or any MRT staff coming up to do crowd control, etc. etc.

That is when she called me to pick her up. And by the time I reach the affected station (a good 1 hour after my wife step onto the platform) we then see MRT staff putting up signage for "free" bus services...

The best part, CNA reported that train service resumed within 20 min (simply because they take reference from the time free bus service become available)!!!

Wah!!! AGO better audit deep deep [laugh]

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COI incompetent? conclusions wrong?
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Maybe yes, maybe partially right as there maybe more then just maintenance issue.They should relook deep into everything again.

As during weekend or my free time, I watched many YouTube on aircrash investigation and there is a particular air crashes investigation team thought they found the answer but it's more deep then that. All of the investigation member agreed that the puzzle is solved except one who is very unconvinced. He continue to look deeper into the crashes and guess what he prove the other investigation team member wrong that the root of the problem lies with the cargo door mechanicalisium. So this lesson learnt is that human also can overlooked on things and the Coi result maybe not 100% right due to maybe there is things that they overlooked but they didn't know it.

Edited by Yewheng, 05 March 2015 - 08:21 AM.

Maybe yes, maybe partially right as there maybe more then just maintenance issue.They should relook deep into everything again.

As during weekend or my free time, I watched many YouTube on aircrash investigation and there are a particular air crashes investigation team thought they found the answer but it's more deep then that. All of the investigation member agreed that the puzzle is solved except one who is very unconvinced. He continue to look deeper into the crashes and guess what he prove the other investigation team member wrong that the root of the problem lies with the cargo door mechanicalisium. So this lesson learnt is that human also can overlooked on things and the Coi result maybe not 100% right due to maybe there is things that they overlooked but they didn't know it.

Coi pointed out equipment outdated

Insufficient competent manpower

Not equipment, not manpower, not funding, then what? Ghost ah? Aliens ah? [laugh]

I know I know
Leadership [laugh]

Edited by Mustank, 05 March 2015 - 08:24 AM.

Coi pointed out equipment outdated

Insufficient competent manpower

Not equipment, not manpower, not funding, then what? Ghost ah? Aliens ah?
I know I know
Leadership

Wa thanks, didn't read straits time for ages. Didn't know about this news article.. Thanks man. Haha

Quite detail. Not bad. When is this news article published?

Edited by Yewheng, 05 March 2015 - 08:29 AM.

There is one thing I like to highlight is that a lot people just look at surface saying smrt spend a lot less $ on maintenance so that must be the problem. Smrt should up maintenance. However just by looking at spending on maintenance is not enough.

Look at it another way, why can't they be very efficient in maintaining the system that reduce the uncessery overheads, uncessery overtime and more efficient machines etc that translate to lower cost of maintenance with the same amount of work done? This is just an example, of cause we do not know what's in their maintainance schedule what have they done etc so not going to comment much on this.

What I am saying is that I still feel it's more deep then just maintenance. Those who so quick to pin point on maintenance especially from Lta and etc need to relook again. There maybe more than one causes? Maybe maintenance is part of the issue? Maybe there is nothing wrong with maintenance but other thing else? Only we know the full details then will have more accurate picture.

A higher cost in allocation to maintenance does not necessarily mean sure will improve if there is no concrete plan on what there is to be done to improve.

Actually the reasons for all the recent years of breakdown, I think it's due to the cost cutting of maintenance during the Saw era and also removing the old experienced engineers and replace with younger ones.
Like a car, if you delay your regular 10kkm service and only service when something breakdown/wear out, eventually you will find one by one, all parts and components starts to breakdown.
This is the chain reaction effect. That is why if my service schedule says replace, I replace.
I can't fully blame LTY, (I'm probably the only guy here that is a LTY sympathiser) bcz the problem MRT is facing is the Chain Reaction effect and it's not easy to resolve. So far I think it's definitely improving.

Lest anyone forgot, here goes
Enjoy the bashing

Wa 2012 straits time you still keep. Power.

Edited by Yewheng, 05 March 2015 - 08:37 AM.

No point blaming it on Saw or the ageing whatever. All these issues should stand out like a sore thumb. Problem is with who's leading. If a person with no relevant experience is parachuted to the position of a CEO this is the result. Instead of promoting someone from within who has the relevant knowledge and skill they get their fav scholar. Anyway the mistake came as early as when they hired Saw...a retail CEO now they get an ex-general. It's not like hiring an admin officer(no offense to this profession) where no relevant experience can also accept. LoL...

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Dunno wtf the top ppl are thinking. Scholars aren't know-it-all and do-it-all.

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This ex-general dunno is suay or what. His very first civilian job kenna such CEO position. If he doesn't turn things around I dunno where he will have to go. Maybe stinktell or singhell. Their fav company. LoL...�

Edited by Watwheels, 05 March 2015 - 09:28 AM.

Wa 2012 straits time you still keep. Power.

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This tells you don't offend people like Mustank. You don't know what else he keeps track. [sweatdrop]

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Just joking. [laugh]

Wa 2012 straits time you still keep. Power.

anyone considersd why the new lines which may not covered by the coi are also plagued with breakdowns? [sly]

Could be a simple case whereby a cherry qq is asked to work like a lorry? [sly]

a case of too many too fast?

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This tells you don't offend people like Mustank. You don't know what else he keeps track.
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Just joking.

Kope from the mrt breakdown thread one lah [laugh]

Ya hor, how come erp boh breakdown ahh
Tuck Yew and Desmond in hiding mode or harakiri liao?

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Probably tossing coin to see who gonna harakiri first....

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Anyway, IIRC, harakiri was only for the Samurai, not just any tom dick and harry to do. It was somewhat to show that the Samurai would regain his honour after losing a battle. So, the term hara kiri probably wouldn't be appropriate for either of those two, or even the guy who brought it up recently in the first place.

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There is one thing I like to highlight is that a lot people just look at surface saying smrt spend a lot less $ on maintenance so that must be the problem. Smrt should up maintenance. However just by looking at spending on maintenance is not enough.

Look at it another way, why can't they be very efficient in maintaining the system that reduce the uncessery overheads, uncessery overtime and more efficient machines etc that translate to lower cost of maintenance with the same amount of work done? This is just an example, of cause we do not know what's in their maintainance schedule what have they done etc so not going to comment much on this.

What I am saying is that I still feel it's more deep then just maintenance. Those who so quick to pin point on maintenance especially from Lta and etc need to relook again. There maybe more than one causes? Maybe maintenance is part of the issue? Maybe there is nothing wrong with maintenance but other thing else? Only we know the full details then will have more accurate picture.

A higher cost in allocation to maintenance does not necessarily mean sure will improve if there is no concrete plan on what there is to be done to improve.

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Yes, once, twice might not be maintenance fault. It might be human error, or just random breakdowns.

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But the current problem has been occuring, roughly since 2011 (end) til now with some regularity.

The maintenance might not be consistent, but the breakdowns are definitely quite consistent (in the sense that we'll probably have another breakdown by the end of the month, or next month.)

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Old line breakdown, new line breakdown... It might just be not enough maintenance AND other factors as well..

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Coi pointed out equipment outdated

Insufficient competent manpower

Not equipment, not manpower, not funding, then what? Ghost ah? Aliens ah?
I know I know
Leadership

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Thanks bro Mustank for sharing all the articles, can only up you so much.. =D

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Bash already so what? Still increase fare, still get fat bonus and high salary, still increase rental, still win prize and still breakdown.

And most important, still consider world class. So what's the problem?!
Definitely no hara-kiri

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Probably tossing coin to see who gonna harakiri first....
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Anyway, IIRC, harakiri was only for the Samurai, not just any tom dick and harry to do. It was somewhat to show that the Samurai would regain his honour after losing a battle. So, the term hara kiri probably wouldn't be appropriate for either of those two, or even the guy who brought it up recently in the first place.
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Yes, once, twice might not be maintenance fault. It might be human error, or just random breakdowns.
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But the current problem has been occuring, roughly since 2011 (end) til now with some regularity.
The maintenance might not be consistent, but the breakdowns are definitely quite consistent (in the sense that we'll probably have another breakdown by the end of the month, or next month.)
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Old line breakdown, new line breakdown... It might just be not enough maintenance AND other factors as well..
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Thanks bro Mustank for sharing all the articles, can only up you so much.. =D

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Haha simply a case of a over-worked mule
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The mrt needs a attend c home for at least a week but the mo issued only a one week attend b
How to recover? [laugh]

The leaders are frustrated by stagnant productivity
How long before they realize that they can increasing productivity by reducing the need to commute to work? Decentralization of city centre, allowing car owners to collect car pool money
Do we have a choice? Can our mrt cope?
Slam ah slam [laugh]

No point blaming it on Saw or the ageing whatever. All these issues should stand out like a sore thumb. Problem is with who's leading. If a person with no relevant experience is parachuted to the position of a CEO this is the result. Instead of promoting someone from within who has the relevant knowledge and skill they get their fav scholar. Anyway the mistake came as early as when they hired Saw...a retail CEO now they get an ex-general. It's not like hiring an admin officer(no offense to this profession) where no relevant experience can also accept. LoL...
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Dunno wtf the top ppl are thinking. Scholars aren't know-it-all and do-it-all.
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This ex-general dunno is suay or what. His very first civilian job kenna such CEO position. If he doesn't turn things around I dunno where he will have to go. Maybe stinktell or singhell. Their fav company. LoL...�

The root cause of all these breakdowns are maintenance. From d graph as compared to other countries, can see d amount spend on maintenance is peanut. As d saying goes, " pay peanut for maintenance, get monkey performance" Countries like France, Japan and even HongKong are d leading expert in trains. It high time, d train operators keep their pride n rope in these experts as CEO or executive advisor to revamp the operational n maintenance quality of d lines before d lines become a wreckage.

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Everyone can see the whole system is flawed right from the beginning.

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Giving scholars automatic promotions in SAF and civl service, whether they are fit for the job or not.

No experience, no proven track record, they are catapulted to the highest position.

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In SAF, becomes generals and join PAP becomes ministars, become CEO...all automatic.

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Continue like this, and you get lots of incompetent people at the top.

Lots of monkeys.

Ok lah..occasionally there will be some rare gems..like Kee Qiu and tan chuan jin... etc..

This is like daily affair.... Hehehe

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This is like daily affair.... Hehehe

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got SG pools odds on circle line today?? �

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got SG pools odds on circle line today?? �

No lah, daily affair, payout will be low.

Why not bet on breakdown on voting day?

No lah, daily affair, payout will be low.

Why not bet on breakdown on voting day?

I suspect is becuase overload
Reason:
Only hear of mrt spoil on weekdays
Weekend and holiday no hear spoil
New line old line also kena

I suspect is becuase overload
Reason:
Only hear of mrt spoil on weekdays
Weekend and holiday no hear spoil
New line old line also kena

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yah then next they will blame us sinkies...eat too much. �Lose weight

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next time beofer go MRT, need to weigh �

could be also over-tune ... lol

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I suspect is becuase overload
Reason:
Only hear of mrt spoil on weekdays
Weekend and holiday no hear spoil
New line old line also kena

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Edited by Wt_know, 06 March 2015 - 07:54 AM.

could be also over-tune ... lol
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Must use tank suspension torsion bar [laugh]

Maybe already using [laugh]

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yah then next they will blame us sinkies...eat too much. �Lose weight

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next time beofer go MRT, need to weigh �

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Maybe they will charge based on weight...

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Maybe they will charge based on weight...

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eh dun give ideas le...kekeke

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eh dun give ideas le...kekeke

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yah then next they will blame us sinkies...eat too much. �Lose weight

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next time beofer go MRT, need to weigh �

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I wanted to say don't give them idea liao, then next post came this:

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Maybe they will charge based on weight...

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Die liao, eat more, pay more, get fat, spend more on healthcare, and next time, public transport also more...

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Cannot lidat lah! Next time MRT toilets every morning choke because people try to pang sai before weighing in....

This is like daily affair.... Hehehe

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Yalor.. my LTA app keeps popping up the message ...

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They said they have increased the nos. of engineers... hope that they can solve the issues once and for all... increase the maintenance regime and frequency and replace the aging parts... that's the way to go...

And lastly, pls don't pass the maintenance cost to commuters hor...

but we were told ... if you want good transport ... must pay more

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Yalor.. my LTA app keeps popping up the message ...

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They said they have increased the nos. of engineers... hope that they can solve the issues once and for all... increase the maintenance regime and frequency and replace the aging parts... that's the way to go...

And lastly, pls don't pass the maintenance cost to commuters hor...

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Edited by Wt_know, 06 March 2015 - 10:30 AM.

but we were told ... if you want good transport ... must pay more

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Honestly, I don't mind to pay more if I can get a seat in the mrt instead of being packed like a can of sardines....

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Honestly, I don't mind to pay more if I can get a seat in the mrt instead of being packed like a can of sardines....

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Be careful what you wish for. �Our MRT might start following the UK fare structure. [laugh] ��

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Honestly, I don't mind to pay more if I can get a seat in the mrt instead of being packed like a can of sardines....

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actually there are some sit down only pte express bus

the fare is about $5

honestly, i dont mind pay some ~~chap~~ babe $5 to car pool to work and back [grin]

this hitch a ride thing reminds me of a song

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three cheers for PAP !!�

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three cheers for PAP !!�

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milf :wub:

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Yalor.. my LTA app keeps popping up the message ...

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They said they have increased the nos. of engineers... hope that they can solve the issues once and for all... increase the maintenance regime and frequency and replace the aging parts... that's the way to go...

And lastly, pls don't pass the maintenance cost to commuters hor...

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Everyone who drives a car knows to replace parts due to wear and tear.

Otherwise it becomes a danger to himself.

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And yet, mrt with high load, high wear and tear want to scrimp on maintenance.

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Maintenance dollar spent should be sufficient to make sure the train is moving smoothly.

If not, they are simply being irresponsible and negligent.

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milf

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Milf???

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Second pic look like some obasan lesbo who needs her teeth straightened (and her left eye is BIGGER than her right eye).

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Ins't she the one sibei kor lin bec her pay kenna cut from 1,000,000 to 800,000 per annum (ie: from 83,333 per month to 66,666 per month)?

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yah then next they will blame us sinkies...eat too much. �Lose weight

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next time beofer go MRT, need to weigh �

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Fare charges by the 'kilo' & distant�per person..... [sly] ��

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but we were told ... if you want good transport ... must pay more

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Problem is .....even with frequent breakdown now, still have to pay more !

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Problem is .....even with frequent breakdown now, still have to pay more !

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Only with this problems, they increase fare so that you will know the increase $$$$ goes to where (on paper niah)... [lipsrsealed]

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With no problems, very hard for them to put up paper excerise to increase fare... �

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Only with this problems, they increase fare so that you will know the increase $$$$ goes to where (on paper niah)...

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With no problems, very hard for them to put up paper excerise to increase fare... �

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like that jia-lat liao....... expect to see more fare increase causing more break-down� [laugh] � [laugh]

Trains ethics:
http://forums.hardwa...ml#post92374723

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Milf???

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Second pic look like some obasan lesbo who needs her teeth straightened (and her left eye is BIGGER than her right eye).

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Ins't she the one sibei kor lin bec her pay kenna cut from 1,000,000 to 800,000 per annum (ie: from 83,333 per month to 66,666 per month)?

I think it was this Grace Fu who infamously said this, having to make big adjustment to�her lifestyle.�

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After downward revision of their salary, I�presume this meant

-holiday in USA from 4 times a yr�to 2 times

-3 cars (Lexus) to 2 cars

-daily dining at restaurant to 4 times a week

-3 maids become 2 maids

Maybe next time they install a load sensor on the MRT floor (like those in the lift), once hit the weight limit the train will make some noise and refuse to move, the last one in will have to alight, confirm no overloading...LOL

How big is this thread huh?

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If too many posts, will the server

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be overloaded and MCF breakdown?

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mai hiam la ... this is what happen in london ... everyday

heng ar ... we are New York of Asean ... not London ...

http://www.huffingto..._n_6814558.html

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mai hiam la ... this is what happen in london ... everyday

heng ar ... we are New York of Asean ... not London ...

http://www.huffingto..._n_6814558.html

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We cannot compare with other cities / countries.. each of us have our own unique pattern ....

Hate to see the p8p always comparing with others...

What is their population? The no of ppl in these cities are much more than the entire population of Singapore leh....�

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If we can't even solve this small little problem, how to accommodate increase of population to 6.9 mil??!!

The answer is just due to maintenance issues and replacement... if don't spend $ on replacement of ageing parts, sure will break down mah... can't see why the management can't solve this issue?

Think they rather keep the $ in the bank sheet, and heck care abt the breakdown ... nothing to lose mah... haiz...

Amtk

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We cannot compare with other cities / countries.. each of us have our own unique pattern ....

Hate to see the p8p always comparing with others...

What is their population? The no of ppl in these cities are much more than the entire population of Singapore leh....�

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If we can't even solve this small little problem, how to accommodate increase of population to 6.9 mil??!!

The answer is just due to maintenance issues and replacement... if don't spend $ on replacement of ageing parts, sure will break down mah... can't see why the management can't solve this issue?

Think they rather keep the $ in the bank sheet, and heck care abt the breakdown ... nothing to lose mah... haiz...

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They will come back and tell you, it only make business sense to maintain and replace when population hit 6.9m, critical mass ...LOL

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You ever remember you tell your boss that to get more sales we need to spend more in A&P, just to have the boss come back and tell you, to spend more in A&P, we need to show growth in sales first...LOL

Amtk

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Jit the long tong cheng!!! Cheng cheng cheng!!!...LOL

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Jit the long tong cheng!!! Cheng cheng cheng!!!...LOL

15 years experience mrt tech talks to edmw
Real or not, I Donno
I ain't no tech, the closest I got to tech was m113
Own self see real or fake

http://forums.hardwa...rt-4986775.html

15 years experience mrt tech talks to edmw
Real or not, I Donno
I ain't no tech, the closest I got to tech was m113
Own self see real or fake

http://forums.hardwa...rt-4986775.html

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if can tahan 15 years, usually is go to work close one eye, play taiji and wait for end of the day, unless they ask him to use cable tie, and he use masking tape, so tio ask to go...LOL

From ST fb page

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"BREAKING: No train service on the Bukit Panjang LRT line in both directions. Free public & shuttle buses are now available at affected stations. MORE TO COME"

From ST fb page

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"BREAKING: No train service on the Bukit Panjang LRT line in both directions. Free public & shuttle buses are now available at affected stations. MORE TO COME"

More goot years!!

More goot years!!

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Seems like smoke coming out from Senja

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more to come? really? ..... lol

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From ST fb page

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"BREAKING: No train service on the Bukit Panjang LRT line in both directions. Free public & shuttle buses are now available at affected stations. MORE TO COME"

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