http://list.qoo10.sg/g/422176166
Been looking around for hard tonneau covers, just met a fellow member just now who got the hard tonneau cover from his pi, anyone else getting the hard tonneau cover free from their pi?
Is $288 considered good price for the hard cover? Any affordable sources?
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Too expensive. I am waiting for knock-offs to appear in the local scene before buying one. I believed we will see something soon since Vezel is getting more and more popular. In the meantime, I am going to DIY one. I will post some pictures when it is ready.�
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Also, I thought the issue with hard cover is that there is limited space to keep it within the car if there is a need to do so. A soft �and foldable tonneau cover is more practical.
Edited by pokadot, 07 January 2015 - 10:28 PM.
I noted this brake hold function too but dun know how it work , can help briefly explain?
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Activate the brake hold function.
Apply foot brake to stop the car.
When the car comes to stop, you will see a symbol light up in the console.
You can now retract your foot from the pedal and the car will apply the brakes for you automatically.
To move, simply tap on the accelerator and zoom off.
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Have fun...
Will be collecting my baby vezel tomorrow. Thinking to install front n back camera.Any brand and workshop to recommend?
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Why not wait for coming IT show and check out the promotion?
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I think installing the rear view cam is going to be complicated if you want to hide all the wires. Now I am thinking whether a rear cam is really necessary as I usually do reverse parking.
Bro indulge posted the following link before. See any bro here can recommend. I am also considering to install front and back camera.Will be collecting my baby vezel tomorrow. Thinking to install front n back camera.Any brand and workshop to recommend?
iRoad V7 - http://www.navinc.co...ll/en_index.php
BlackVue dr530w - http://www.blackvue.com.sg/
Will be collecting my baby vezel tomorrow. Thinking to install front n back camera.Any brand and workshop to recommend?
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Would you like to get the Blackvue DR-550GW? Front and Rear.�
Will be collecting my baby vezel tomorrow. Thinking to install front n back camera.Any brand and workshop to recommend?
Blackvue or Marbella.
just saw a new white vezel at 256a compassvale rd MSCP. this is the 2nd vezel in this carpark. first is a maroon color.
wonder these 2 owners are in this forum?
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Carplate xx00? The white one. If so, then that's my customer's car. Haha, just collected yesterday.�
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The inspection is fast. Its the que that is long.
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Yeah. Inspection takes minutes.�
The queue takes 3-4 weeks. Quoted by the LTA Vitas officer.�
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Thanks mistercars,
Really 2 weeks for Vitas testing and a car is built in 2 hours.�
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Vitas inspection takes minutes, but the LTA Vitas department takes 3-4 weeks to "process" and "handle" the paperwork before they grant approval in principle, which then means your vehicle can now be sent to an inspection centre for the inspection to be carried out. After which, once the vehicle pass the inspection, they will take about a day to update the LTA system. And then finally, your car is ready for registration.
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All of this happens only after your vehicle completes the VETL (Emissions Test) at Vicom. And then Vicom will submit the report to LTA Vitas. (This takes time as well -.-")
Edited by mistercars, 07 January 2015 - 11:35 PM.
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Too expensive. I am waiting for knock-offs to appear in the local scene before buying one. I believed we will see something soon since Vezel is getting more and more popular. In the meantime, I am going to DIY one. I will post some pictures when it is ready.�
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Also, I thought the issue with hard cover is that there is limited space to keep it within the car if there is a need to do so. A soft �and foldable tonneau cover is more practical.
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Same thinking with u bro. When HRV comes to SG and M'sia, pricing sure to come down. Only question is can we wait?
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Same thinking with u bro. When HRV comes to SG and M'sia, pricing sure to come down. Only question is can we wait?
Malaysia has started collecting booking of HRV even the official launching is in Feb. 1.8L HRV with three diff grades available.
Bro indulge posted the following link before. See any bro here can recommend. I am also considering to install front and back camera.
iRoad V7 - http://www.navinc.co...ll/en_index.php
BlackVue dr530w - http://www.blackvue.com.sg/
I just upgraded from iroad aev to v7 today.
Wiring is simple and well hidden. Both front and back.
24hrs recording without extra power bank
Any bros interested, i can pass u my installer contact.
Hi guys,
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Would like to comment on my first week of Hybrid Z ownership.
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There's many comments I saw on why should we purchase a Hybrid, due to the following concerns. I will address each of them.
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1) The 5 infamous recalls of the 7-Speed dual-clutch gearbox in Japan
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Yes, granted that the i-DCD system has been recalled 5 times. And FIXED. I know we all have some jitters about such recalls especially for a Japan made product, and what's more we are not covered by Kah Motors but individual PIs workshops which we might not trust.
�
Ok, lets be objective about this. We are talking about Made-in-Japan, there's extreme pride in the Japanese people to fix these issues and make sure they do not manifest again. My vehicle has been verified to be produced and updated with the latest software before shipping out to Singapore, so I have confidence it will not happen.
�
Even if touch wood the unfortunate happen, I don't believe the DSG impossible to fix. The Japanese will not allow that. In honesty, Honda used to have more serious problems with their first generation CVTs, which mostly could not last more than 200,000km without breaking down. These are the very CVTs running in all the auto GD1 Jazz/Fits, City and Airwave.�
�
If you dig deeper into the recalls, it is generally a software bug that causes the gearbox not to operate. 5 iterations of software updates, I am quite sure these goblins are eradicated.
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2) Concerns about the hybrid battery lifespan
�
You might have heard of horror stories of Civic Hybrids having to replace their full battery pack at Kah Motors and charging them 10 grand. However, we need to look at the very root of the issue; NiMh batteries. These batteries are old-tech. The next generation of batteries are Li-Ion/Po.
�
Honda states the new Lithium-Ion battery pack can possibly have a lifespan of 10 years, provided you take good care of it. Given our weather, I don't fully expect the battery to be problem free for 10 years, but I also don't expect them to give up within 5 years. In fact, the battery pack being Li-Ion means that there is a possibility of changing out individual retired cells in the battery array. This means greater serviceability and durability of the entire battery pack.
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Moreover, as technology improves, we expect battery prices to drop within 5 years. I mean come on, look at your handphones! We were hard-pressed to get even 500 mAh from our old Nokia NiMh batts, but the same form factor can pack >2500 mAh in Li-Ion form today, are we are nonplussed to charge them with China charges and even sleep next to them.�
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Give technology a chance!
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3) Overall cost increase VS the fuel savings
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Yes, the Hybrid costs so much more than the standard Vezel and the average FC is probably only around 5-7 km/L better than the standard Vezel, which means that fuel savings are insignificant compared to the cost delta. By pure logic, it makes zero sense to purchase the Hybrid for savings.�
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Which, in Singapore, is exactly true!
�
We are not buying high to save money on petrol. We are buying technology, the chance to own a fine�piece of Honda engineering and savouring how the whole package comes together. We are paying for the ability to utilize Japan's first homegrown DSG (Mitsu Evo X SST is built by Getrag Germany, not counted), and the option of driving like a pussy hyper-miler or a decent 150+ hp 7-speed quick shifting vehicle. FYI the 2.0L CR-V has around 155hp but lugs a 1.5 ton body around.
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I enjoy the Hybrid every time I start it up, crawl out of my carpark on pure EV mode, and have great fun doing a max economy run, which sometimes I easily cross 27 km/l on ideal conditions. Or I can be a idiot and engage Sports mode and rage through traffic with the excellent handling characteristics of the Vezel (although its really harsh). Hey, it has i-VTEC and DOHC after all!
�
The premium I paid for the Hybrid can never be justified in terms of fuel savings. However, you also cannot quantify the ability to switch from Mr Jekyll to Mr Hyde at a flick of a button. Its fun! This is why I love Honda, and why I love my Vezel Hybrid.
�
So for those guys who really sitting on the fence between Hybrid and non-Hybrid, my invitation to test drive the Hybrid still stands, just PM me if you need just that little nudge to be convinced ;) ! And even so, follow your heart to buy the Vezel. I am just sharing my honest viewpoints from a Hybrid owner.
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Cheers!
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Bro Niltrams, both your review of the Vezel is wonderful to read and with the technology updates in it. I seriously think you should post your review in the MCF car forum so that more people can enjoy the finer points of the Vezel.
SEE YOU SOON BRO!!
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Hi guys,
�
Would like to comment on my first week of Hybrid Z ownership.
�
There's many comments I saw on why should we purchase a Hybrid, due to the following concerns. I will address each of them.
�
1) The 5 infamous recalls of the 7-Speed dual-clutch gearbox in Japan
�
Yes, granted that the i-DCD system has been recalled 5 times. And FIXED. I know we all have some jitters about such recalls especially for a Japan made product, and what's more we are not covered by Kah Motors but individual PIs workshops which we might not trust.
�
Ok, lets be objective about this. We are talking about Made-in-Japan, there's extreme pride in the Japanese people to fix these issues and make sure they do not manifest again. My vehicle has been verified to be produced and updated with the latest software before shipping out to Singapore, so I have confidence it will not happen.
�
Even if touch wood the unfortunate happen, I don't believe the DSG impossible to fix. The Japanese will not allow that. In honesty, Honda used to have more serious problems with their first generation CVTs, which mostly could not last more than 200,000km without breaking down. These are the very CVTs running in all the auto GD1 Jazz/Fits, City and Airwave.�
�
If you dig deeper into the recalls, it is generally a software bug that causes the gearbox not to operate. 5 iterations of software updates, I am quite sure these goblins are eradicated.
�
�
2) Concerns about the hybrid battery lifespan
�
You might have heard of horror stories of Civic Hybrids having to replace their full battery pack at Kah Motors and charging them 10 grand. However, we need to look at the very root of the issue; NiMh batteries. These batteries are old-tech. The next generation of batteries are Li-Ion/Po.
�
Honda states the new Lithium-Ion battery pack can possibly have a lifespan of 10 years, provided you take good care of it. Given our weather, I don't fully expect the battery to be problem free for 10 years, but I also don't expect them to give up within 5 years. In fact, the battery pack being Li-Ion means that there is a possibility of changing out individual retired cells in the battery array. This means greater serviceability and durability of the entire battery pack.
�
Moreover, as technology improves, we expect battery prices to drop within 5 years. I mean come on, look at your handphones! We were hard-pressed to get even 500 mAh from our old Nokia NiMh batts, but the same form factor can pack >2500 mAh in Li-Ion form today, are we are nonplussed to charge them with China charges and even sleep next to them.�
�
Give technology a chance!
�
�
3) Overall cost increase VS the fuel savings
�
Yes, the Hybrid costs so much more than the standard Vezel and the average FC is probably only around 5-7 km/L better than the standard Vezel, which means that fuel savings are insignificant compared to the cost delta. By pure logic, it makes zero sense to purchase the Hybrid for savings.�
�
Which, in Singapore, is exactly true!
�
We are not buying high to save money on petrol. We are buying technology, the chance to own a fine�piece of Honda engineering and savouring how the whole package comes together. We are paying for the ability to utilize Japan's first homegrown DSG (Mitsu Evo X SST is built by Getrag Germany, not counted), and the option of driving like a pussy hyper-miler or a decent 150+ hp 7-speed quick shifting vehicle. FYI the 2.0L CR-V has around 155hp but lugs a 1.5 ton body around.
�
I enjoy the Hybrid every time I start it up, crawl out of my carpark on pure EV mode, and have great fun doing a max economy run, which sometimes I easily cross 27 km/l on ideal conditions. Or I can be a idiot and engage Sports mode and rage through traffic with the excellent handling characteristics of the Vezel (although its really harsh). Hey, it has i-VTEC and DOHC after all!
�
The premium I paid for the Hybrid can never be justified in terms of fuel savings. However, you also cannot quantify the ability to switch from Mr Jekyll to Mr Hyde at a flick of a button. Its fun! This is why I love Honda, and why I love my Vezel Hybrid.
�
So for those guys who really sitting on the fence between Hybrid and non-Hybrid, my invitation to test drive the Hybrid still stands, just PM me if you need just that little nudge to be convinced ;) ! And even so, follow your heart to buy the Vezel. I am just sharing my honest viewpoints from a Hybrid owner.
�
Cheers!
�
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Hi guys,
�
Would like to comment on my first week of Hybrid Z ownership.
�
There's many comments I saw on why should we purchase a Hybrid, due to the following concerns. I will address each of them.
�
1) The 5 infamous recalls of the 7-Speed dual-clutch gearbox in Japan
�
Yes, granted that the i-DCD system has been recalled 5 times. And FIXED. I know we all have some jitters about such recalls especially for a Japan made product, and what's more we are not covered by Kah Motors but individual PIs workshops which we might not trust.
�
Ok, lets be objective about this. We are talking about Made-in-Japan, there's extreme pride in the Japanese people to fix these issues and make sure they do not manifest again. My vehicle has been verified to be produced and updated with the latest software before shipping out to Singapore, so I have confidence it will not happen.
�
Even if touch wood the unfortunate happen, I don't believe the DSG impossible to fix. The Japanese will not allow that. In honesty, Honda used to have more serious problems with their first generation CVTs, which mostly could not last more than 200,000km without breaking down. These are the very CVTs running in all the auto GD1 Jazz/Fits, City and Airwave.�
�
If you dig deeper into the recalls, it is generally a software bug that causes the gearbox not to operate. 5 iterations of software updates, I am quite sure these goblins are eradicated.
�
�
2) Concerns about the hybrid battery lifespan
�
You might have heard of horror stories of Civic Hybrids having to replace their full battery pack at Kah Motors and charging them 10 grand. However, we need to look at the very root of the issue; NiMh batteries. These batteries are old-tech. The next generation of batteries are Li-Ion/Po.
�
Honda states the new Lithium-Ion battery pack can possibly have a lifespan of 10 years, provided you take good care of it. Given our weather, I don't fully expect the battery to be problem free for 10 years, but I also don't expect them to give up within 5 years. In fact, the battery pack being Li-Ion means that there is a possibility of changing out individual retired cells in the battery array. This means greater serviceability and durability of the entire battery pack.
�
Moreover, as technology improves, we expect battery prices to drop within 5 years. I mean come on, look at your handphones! We were hard-pressed to get even 500 mAh from our old Nokia NiMh batts, but the same form factor can pack >2500 mAh in Li-Ion form today, are we are nonplussed to charge them with China charges and even sleep next to them.�
�
Give technology a chance!
�
�
3) Overall cost increase VS the fuel savings
�
Yes, the Hybrid costs so much more than the standard Vezel and the average FC is probably only around 5-7 km/L better than the standard Vezel, which means that fuel savings are insignificant compared to the cost delta. By pure logic, it makes zero sense to purchase the Hybrid for savings.�
�
Which, in Singapore, is exactly true!
�
We are not buying high to save money on petrol. We are buying technology, the chance to own a fine�piece of Honda engineering and savouring how the whole package comes together. We are paying for the ability to utilize Japan's first homegrown DSG (Mitsu Evo X SST is built by Getrag Germany, not counted), and the option of driving like a pussy hyper-miler or a decent 150+ hp 7-speed quick shifting vehicle. FYI the 2.0L CR-V has around 155hp but lugs a 1.5 ton body around.
�
I enjoy the Hybrid every time I start it up, crawl out of my carpark on pure EV mode, and have great fun doing a max economy run, which sometimes I easily cross 27 km/l on ideal conditions. Or I can be a idiot and engage Sports mode and rage through traffic with the excellent handling characteristics of the Vezel (although its really harsh). Hey, it has i-VTEC and DOHC after all!
�
The premium I paid for the Hybrid can never be justified in terms of fuel savings. However, you also cannot quantify the ability to switch from Mr Jekyll to Mr Hyde at a flick of a button. Its fun! This is why I love Honda, and why I love my Vezel Hybrid.
�
So for those guys who really sitting on the fence between Hybrid and non-Hybrid, my invitation to test drive the Hybrid still stands, just PM me if you need just that little nudge to be convinced ;) ! And even so, follow your heart to buy the Vezel. I am just sharing my honest viewpoints from a Hybrid owner.
�
Cheers!
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You nailed the point and I fully agree with you.
Will be collecting my baby vezel tomorrow. Thinking to install front n back camera.Any brand and workshop to recommend?
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Personally i am getting the Blackvue DR650 2CH. Cost ard $600+ including installation. If you were to add the PowerMagic Pro module to enable you the option of running your car 24/7 or just when the engine is running, this would cost an additional $65. Hope this helps. I am using the 1st gen DR400 from Blackvue. Love the low profile and simplistic design.
Edited by Knoogy, 08 January 2015 - 07:25 AM.
I just upgraded from iroad aev to v7 today.
Wiring is simple and well hidden. Both front and back.
24hrs recording without extra power bank
Any bros interested, i can pass u my installer contact.
Please pm me the contact, thanks.
I just upgraded from iroad aev to v7 today.
Wiring is simple and well hidden. Both front and back.
24hrs recording without extra power bank
Any bros interested, i can pass u my installer contact.
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Bro, can I trouble you to post a picture of the rear cam installation? Curious to know how the cable runs to the cam. Many thanks ahead.
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Err. As far as I understand, Aircon is not so much on the settings.�
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Example: If you set temperature to 23 degrees and the cabin temperature starts to increase above the 23 degrees while your engine has stopped at a traffic light, it will restart the engine immediately. (Please correct me if I am wrong)
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Yes, it happens to me. I set my temperature at 20 degrees, the engine was stop and then it automatic start again
Hi guys,
�
Would like to comment on my first week of Hybrid Z ownership.
�
There's many comments I saw on why should we purchase a Hybrid, due to the following concerns. I will address each of them.
�
1) The 5 infamous recalls of the 7-Speed dual-clutch gearbox in Japan
�
Yes, granted that the i-DCD system has been recalled 5 times. And FIXED. I know we all have some jitters about such recalls especially for a Japan made product, and what's more we are not covered by Kah Motors but individual PIs workshops which we might not trust.
�
Ok, lets be objective about this. We are talking about Made-in-Japan, there's extreme pride in the Japanese people to fix these issues and make sure they do not manifest again. My vehicle has been verified to be produced and updated with the latest software before shipping out to Singapore, so I have confidence it will not happen.
�
Even if touch wood the unfortunate happen, I don't believe the DSG impossible to fix. The Japanese will not allow that. In honesty, Honda used to have more serious problems with their first generation CVTs, which mostly could not last more than 200,000km without breaking down. These are the very CVTs running in all the auto GD1 Jazz/Fits, City and Airwave.�
�
If you dig deeper into the recalls, it is generally a software bug that causes the gearbox not to operate. 5 iterations of software updates, I am quite sure these goblins are eradicated.
�
�
2) Concerns about the hybrid battery lifespan
�
You might have heard of horror stories of Civic Hybrids having to replace their full battery pack at Kah Motors and charging them 10 grand. However, we need to look at the very root of the issue; NiMh batteries. These batteries are old-tech. The next generation of batteries are Li-Ion/Po.
�
Honda states the new Lithium-Ion battery pack can possibly have a lifespan of 10 years, provided you take good care of it. Given our weather, I don't fully expect the battery to be problem free for 10 years, but I also don't expect them to give up within 5 years. In fact, the battery pack being Li-Ion means that there is a possibility of changing out individual retired cells in the battery array. This means greater serviceability and durability of the entire battery pack.
�
Moreover, as technology improves, we expect battery prices to drop within 5 years. I mean come on, look at your handphones! We were hard-pressed to get even 500 mAh from our old Nokia NiMh batts, but the same form factor can pack >2500 mAh in Li-Ion form today, are we are nonplussed to charge them with China charges and even sleep next to them.�
�
Give technology a chance!
�
�
3) Overall cost increase VS the fuel savings
�
Yes, the Hybrid costs so much more than the standard Vezel and the average FC is probably only around 5-7 km/L better than the standard Vezel, which means that fuel savings are insignificant compared to the cost delta. By pure logic, it makes zero sense to purchase the Hybrid for savings.�
�
Which, in Singapore, is exactly true!
�
We are not buying high to save money on petrol. We are buying technology, the chance to own a fine�piece of Honda engineering and savouring how the whole package comes together. We are paying for the ability to utilize Japan's first homegrown DSG (Mitsu Evo X SST is built by Getrag Germany, not counted), and the option of driving like a pussy hyper-miler or a decent 150+ hp 7-speed quick shifting vehicle. FYI the 2.0L CR-V has around 155hp but lugs a 1.5 ton body around.
�
I enjoy the Hybrid every time I start it up, crawl out of my carpark on pure EV mode, and have great fun doing a max economy run, which sometimes I easily cross 27 km/l on ideal conditions. Or I can be a idiot and engage Sports mode and rage through traffic with the excellent handling characteristics of the Vezel (although its really harsh). Hey, it has i-VTEC and DOHC after all!
�
The premium I paid for the Hybrid can never be justified in terms of fuel savings. However, you also cannot quantify the ability to switch from Mr Jekyll to Mr Hyde at a flick of a button. Its fun! This is why I love Honda, and why I love my Vezel Hybrid.
�
So for those guys who really sitting on the fence between Hybrid and non-Hybrid, my invitation to test drive the Hybrid still stands, just PM me if you need just that little nudge to be convinced ;) ! And even so, follow your heart to buy the Vezel. I am just sharing my honest viewpoints from a Hybrid owner.
�
Cheers!
�
�
�
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Bro Niltrams, you are the man! you have given me some peace of mind with my decision for the Hybrid-Z. Always look forward to reading your feedbak and reviews. Thank you!
for hybrid cars, will the battery face the same problem as a laptop battery which after a few yrs (normal 2 yrs), the battery can't hold the charge for long?
eg. a brand new laptop battery�can last 4 hours but after 2 yrs, only 1/2 hr.......
Hi guys,
�
Would like to comment on my first week of Hybrid Z ownership.
�
There's many comments I saw on why should we purchase a Hybrid, due to the following concerns. I will address each of them.
�
1) The 5 infamous recalls of the 7-Speed dual-clutch gearbox in Japan
�
Yes, granted that the i-DCD system has been recalled 5 times. And FIXED. I know we all have some jitters about such recalls especially for a Japan made product, and what's more we are not covered by Kah Motors but individual PIs workshops which we might not trust.
�
Ok, lets be objective about this. We are talking about Made-in-Japan, there's extreme pride in the Japanese people to fix these issues and make sure they do not manifest again. My vehicle has been verified to be produced and updated with the latest software before shipping out to Singapore, so I have confidence it will not happen.
�
Even if touch wood the unfortunate happen, I don't believe the DSG impossible to fix. The Japanese will not allow that. In honesty, Honda used to have more serious problems with their first generation CVTs, which mostly could not last more than 200,000km without breaking down. These are the very CVTs running in all the auto GD1 Jazz/Fits, City and Airwave.�
�
If you dig deeper into the recalls, it is generally a software bug that causes the gearbox not to operate. 5 iterations of software updates, I am quite sure these goblins are eradicated.
�
�
2) Concerns about the hybrid battery lifespan
�
You might have heard of horror stories of Civic Hybrids having to replace their full battery pack at Kah Motors and charging them 10 grand. However, we need to look at the very root of the issue; NiMh batteries. These batteries are old-tech. The next generation of batteries are Li-Ion/Po.
�
Honda states the new Lithium-Ion battery pack can possibly have a lifespan of 10 years, provided you take good care of it. Given our weather, I don't fully expect the battery to be problem free for 10 years, but I also don't expect them to give up within 5 years. In fact, the battery pack being Li-Ion means that there is a possibility of changing out individual retired cells in the battery array. This means greater serviceability and durability of the entire battery pack.
�
Moreover, as technology improves, we expect battery prices to drop within 5 years. I mean come on, look at your handphones! We were hard-pressed to get even 500 mAh from our old Nokia NiMh batts, but the same form factor can pack >2500 mAh in Li-Ion form today, are we are nonplussed to charge them with China charges and even sleep next to them.�
�
Give technology a chance!
�
�
3) Overall cost increase VS the fuel savings
�
Yes, the Hybrid costs so much more than the standard Vezel and the average FC is probably only around 5-7 km/L better than the standard Vezel, which means that fuel savings are insignificant compared to the cost delta. By pure logic, it makes zero sense to purchase the Hybrid for savings.�
�
Which, in Singapore, is exactly true!
�
We are not buying high to save money on petrol. We are buying technology, the chance to own a fine�piece of Honda engineering and savouring how the whole package comes together. We are paying for the ability to utilize Japan's first homegrown DSG (Mitsu Evo X SST is built by Getrag Germany, not counted), and the option of driving like a pussy hyper-miler or a decent 150+ hp 7-speed quick shifting vehicle. FYI the 2.0L CR-V has around 155hp but lugs a 1.5 ton body around.
�
I enjoy the Hybrid every time I start it up, crawl out of my carpark on pure EV mode, and have great fun doing a max economy run, which sometimes I easily cross 27 km/l on ideal conditions. Or I can be a idiot and engage Sports mode and rage through traffic with the excellent handling characteristics of the Vezel (although its really harsh). Hey, it has i-VTEC and DOHC after all!
�
The premium I paid for the Hybrid can never be justified in terms of fuel savings. However, you also cannot quantify the ability to switch from Mr Jekyll to Mr Hyde at a flick of a button. Its fun! This is why I love Honda, and why I love my Vezel Hybrid.
�
So for those guys who really sitting on the fence between Hybrid and non-Hybrid, my invitation to test drive the Hybrid still stands, just PM me if you need just that little nudge to be convinced ;) ! And even so, follow your heart to buy the Vezel. I am just sharing my honest viewpoints from a Hybrid owner.
�
Cheers!
�
�
�
�
Well said and thought out bro!
�
Congrats and take it out for a spin ;-)
�
Now COE is out, how many more will be getting their ride, ha?
I will be able to collect it next tuesday.�
for hybrid cars, will the battery face the same problem as a laptop battery which after a few yrs (normal 2 yrs), the battery can't hold the charge for long?
eg. a brand new laptop battery�can last 4 hours but after 2 yrs, only 1/2 hr.......
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Vega, i have been driving Honda Civic Hybrid for 8 years now, so far no problems with the battery.
AD told me that the lifespan could last up to 10 years. I agree with Niltrams that the battery technology should get better and cheaper over the years and thats the reason I'm changing to the Vezel Hybrid.
Hi guys,
�
Would like to comment on my first week of Hybrid Z ownership.
�
There's many comments I saw on why should we purchase a Hybrid, due to the following concerns. I will address each of them.
�
1) The 5 infamous recalls of the 7-Speed dual-clutch gearbox in Japan
�
Yes, granted that the i-DCD system has been recalled 5 times. And FIXED. I know we all have some jitters about such recalls especially for a Japan made product, and what's more we are not covered by Kah Motors but individual PIs workshops which we might not trust.
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Ok, lets be objective about this. We are talking about Made-in-Japan, there's extreme pride in the Japanese people to fix these issues and make sure they do not manifest again. My vehicle has been verified to be produced and updated with the latest software before shipping out to Singapore, so I have confidence it will not happen.
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Even if touch wood the unfortunate happen, I don't believe the DSG impossible to fix. The Japanese will not allow that. In honesty, Honda used to have more serious problems with their first generation CVTs, which mostly could not last more than 200,000km without breaking down. These are the very CVTs running in all the auto GD1 Jazz/Fits, City and Airwave.�
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If you dig deeper into the recalls, it is generally a software bug that causes the gearbox not to operate. 5 iterations of software updates, I am quite sure these goblins are eradicated.
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2) Concerns about the hybrid battery lifespan
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You might have heard of horror stories of Civic Hybrids having to replace their full battery pack at Kah Motors and charging them 10 grand. However, we need to look at the very root of the issue; NiMh batteries. These batteries are old-tech. The next generation of batteries are Li-Ion/Po.
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Honda states the new Lithium-Ion battery pack can possibly have a lifespan of 10 years, provided you take good care of it. Given our weather, I don't fully expect the battery to be problem free for 10 years, but I also don't expect them to give up within 5 years. In fact, the battery pack being Li-Ion means that there is a possibility of changing out individual retired cells in the battery array. This means greater serviceability and durability of the entire battery pack.
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Moreover, as technology improves, we expect battery prices to drop within 5 years. I mean come on, look at your handphones! We were hard-pressed to get even 500 mAh from our old Nokia NiMh batts, but the same form factor can pack >2500 mAh in Li-Ion form today, are we are nonplussed to charge them with China charges and even sleep next to them.�
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Give technology a chance!
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3) Overall cost increase VS the fuel savings
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Yes, the Hybrid costs so much more than the standard Vezel and the average FC is probably only around 5-7 km/L better than the standard Vezel, which means that fuel savings are insignificant compared to the cost delta. By pure logic, it makes zero sense to purchase the Hybrid for savings.�
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Which, in Singapore, is exactly true!
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We are not buying high to save money on petrol. We are buying technology, the chance to own a fine�piece of Honda engineering and savouring how the whole package comes together. We are paying for the ability to utilize Japan's first homegrown DSG (Mitsu Evo X SST is built by Getrag Germany, not counted), and the option of driving like a pussy hyper-miler or a decent 150+ hp 7-speed quick shifting vehicle. FYI the 2.0L CR-V has around 155hp but lugs a 1.5 ton body around.
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I enjoy the Hybrid every time I start it up, crawl out of my carpark on pure EV mode, and have great fun doing a max economy run, which sometimes I easily cross 27 km/l on ideal conditions. Or I can be a idiot and engage Sports mode and rage through traffic with the excellent handling characteristics of the Vezel (although its really harsh). Hey, it has i-VTEC and DOHC after all!
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The premium I paid for the Hybrid can never be justified in terms of fuel savings. However, you also cannot quantify the ability to switch from Mr Jekyll to Mr Hyde at a flick of a button. Its fun! This is why I love Honda, and why I love my Vezel Hybrid.
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So for those guys who really sitting on the fence between Hybrid and non-Hybrid, my invitation to test drive the Hybrid still stands, just PM me if you need just that little nudge to be convinced ;) ! And even so, follow your heart to buy the Vezel. I am just sharing my honest viewpoints from a Hybrid owner.
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Cheers!
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Bro, pm u Liao. Hope to be able to meet up over coffee.. Cheers!
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Bro, can I trouble you to post a picture of the rear cam installation? Curious to know how the cable runs to the cam. Many thanks ahead.
Bro.. All the cables are hidden.
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Does anyone know this car is run by chain or timing belt?�
I just upgraded from iroad aev to v7 today.
Wiring is simple and well hidden. Both front and back.
24hrs recording without extra power bank
Any bros interested, i can pass u my installer contact.
Thanks. Can i hv the contact and price info. Thanks!
If a PI is in for the long haul (supporting Vezel buyers for 10 years), a test drive should be the very basic. If they can't, it feels like a hit and run kind of sale then how can you even trust them for 10 years? Even helpful bros like Nitram can offer a test drive. I have made up my mind to not buy from any PIs who don't offer a test drive. I cannot trust them if they don't commit to selling the car.
What are your views? Especially bros who bought without testing the car.
Bro.. All the cables are hidden.
Local price about $350-$380. I see the review not bad. Cheaper than Blackvue.�
Edited by Anzz, 08 January 2015 - 12:55 PM.
Bros, i found that alot if not all of the PIs are not allowing test drive. I mean if you are a new company or the car is new I'll understand but the car has been out for 6 mths.
If a PI is in for the long haul (supporting Vezel buyers for 10 years), a test drive should be the very basic. If they can't, it feels like a hit and run kind of sale then how can you even trust them for 10 years? Even helpful bros like Nitram can offer a test drive. I have made up my mind to not buy from any PIs who don't offer a test drive. I cannot trust them if they don't commit to selling the car.
What are your views? Especially bros who bought without testing the car.
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Bros, i found that alot if not all of the PIs are not allowing test drive. I mean if you are a new company or the car is new I'll understand but the car has been out for 6 mths.
If a PI is in for the long haul (supporting Vezel buyers for 10 years), a test drive should be the very basic. If they can't, it feels like a hit and run kind of sale then how can you even trust them for 10 years? Even helpful bros like Nitram can offer a test drive. I have made up my mind to not buy from any PIs who don't offer a test drive. I cannot trust them if they don't commit to selling the car.
What are your views? Especially bros who bought without testing the car.
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No offence bro, if PI allow you test drive (new car without reg), the car you are getting might be a test drive unit too. Understand the feeling you are buying a car without testing it too.
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Should i be expect to see you crawling around in all fours eating raw fish then?
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No offence bro, if PI allow you test drive (new car without reg), the car you are getting might be a test drive unit too. Understand the feeling you are buying a car without testing it too.
They can commit a unit then sell it as a pre-own or tell people its a showroom unit. All the proper organizations do, whether it furnitures or cars.
Bros, i found that alot if not all of the PIs are not allowing test drive. I mean if you are a new company or the car is new I'll understand but the car has been out for 6 mths.
If a PI is in for the long haul (supporting Vezel buyers for 10 years), a test drive should be the very basic. If they can't, it feels like a hit and run kind of sale then how can you even trust them for 10 years? Even helpful bros like Nitram can offer a test drive. I have made up my mind to not buy from any PIs who don't offer a test drive. I cannot trust them if they don't commit to selling the car.
What are your views? Especially bros who bought without testing the car.
My personal thoughts would be. Unless a PI purchased a unit of that model specifically for to be test driven. I dont think any PIs would allow test drives on new units. It wouldnt make business sense to bring in a unit of every model for test driving. If they did they would be as big as the AD of that particular brand.
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Also If those cars are to be sold at a later stage. Dont think any of us would like to own a test driven car which we paid for as a new unit. I personally wont buy from a PI which allows test drives on new units. Who knows if i were to buy from them, my car could be the one being test driven by someone else.
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I was lucky enough to have a friendly neighbour whom allow me to test drive his car. Afterwhich i made the decision on the Vezel.
My personal thoughts would be. Unless a PI purchased a unit of that model specifically for to be test driven. I dont think any PIs would allow test drives on new units. It wouldnt make business sense to bring in a unit of every model for test driving. If they did they would be as big as the AD of that particular brand.
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Also If those cars are to be sold at a later stage. Dont think any of us would like to own a test driven car which we paid for as a new unit. I personally wont buy from a PI which allows test drives on new units. Who knows if i were to buy from them, my car could be the one being test driven by someone else.
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I was lucky enough to have a friendly neighbour whom allow me to test drive his car. Afterwhich i made the decision on the Vezel.
I called 4 PIs 2 weeks ago only 1 allowed test drive. When i went down they told me they will then market the test drive unit as a showroom unit (sell abit cheaper). I think that's pretty proper.
I called 4 PIs 2 weeks ago only 1 allowed test drive. When i went down they told me they will then market the test drive unit as a showroom unit (sell abit cheaper). I think that's pretty proper.
Thats what they tell you. What they actually do is another thing all together. Just my personal thoughts.
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As what some bros here do. If you wanna have a feel of the car in question. Try to arrange to see if any bros here would allow you to do so.
Thats what they tell you. What they actually do is another thing all together. Just my personal thoughts.
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As what some bros here do. If you wanna have a feel of the car in question. Try to arrange to see if any bros here would allow you to do so.
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Yes i agree they can do whatever they want. But new car can check a milege? If you get a new car with weird milege something is wrong i guess?
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It's not so much the drive but the commitment by the PI to provide a basic service (which is just a basic guage for their service level for the next 10 years). It's like you don't go to a restaurant to buy a bottle of wine and the waiter tells you to go somewhere else to test the wine then come here to buy. They let you test there and then, otherwise why would you buy from them?
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Edited by PeterParker, 08 January 2015 - 01:44 PM.
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Yes i agree they can do whatever they want. But new car can check a milege? If you get a new car with weird milege something is wrong i guess?
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It's not so much the drive but the commitment by the PI to provide a basic service (which is just a basic guage for their service level for the next 10 years). It's like you don't go to a restaurant to buy a bottle of wine and the waiter tells you to go somewhere else to test the wine then come here to buy. They let you test there and then, otherwise why would you buy from them?
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I believe mileage on the gauge can be tempered? I might be wrong.
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Well each PI has different workshops they work with for their servicing. I guess its up to the buyer to find out more on this. For example. The PI i bought from ties in with Comfort Delgro for they servicing.
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I believe mileage on the gauge can be tempered? I might be wrong.
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Well each PI has different workshops they work with for their servicing. I guess its up to the buyer to find out more on this. For example. The PI i bought from ties in with Comfort Delgro for they servicing.
Yes. Can be tempered easily. Sold my car and saw it being advertised shortly online with 20k km lesser than the initial.
Bros... Just do what u are comfortable with
Edited by Carlman, 08 January 2015 - 11:40 PM.
Hi guys,
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Would like to comment on my first week of Hybrid Z ownership.
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There's many comments I saw on why should we purchase a Hybrid, due to the following concerns. I will address each of them.
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1) The 5 infamous recalls of the 7-Speed dual-clutch gearbox in Japan
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Yes, granted that the i-DCD system has been recalled 5 times. And FIXED. I know we all have some jitters about such recalls especially for a Japan made product, and what's more we are not covered by Kah Motors but individual PIs workshops which we might not trust.
�
Ok, lets be objective about this. We are talking about Made-in-Japan, there's extreme pride in the Japanese people to fix these issues and make sure they do not manifest again. My vehicle has been verified to be produced and updated with the latest software before shipping out to Singapore, so I have confidence it will not happen.
�
Even if touch wood the unfortunate happen, I don't believe the DSG impossible to fix. The Japanese will not allow that. In honesty, Honda used to have more serious problems with their first generation CVTs, which mostly could not last more than 200,000km without breaking down. These are the very CVTs running in all the auto GD1 Jazz/Fits, City and Airwave.�
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If you dig deeper into the recalls, it is generally a software bug that causes the gearbox not to operate. 5 iterations of software updates, I am quite sure these goblins are eradicated.
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2) Concerns about the hybrid battery lifespan
�
You might have heard of horror stories of Civic Hybrids having to replace their full battery pack at Kah Motors and charging them 10 grand. However, we need to look at the very root of the issue; NiMh batteries. These batteries are old-tech. The next generation of batteries are Li-Ion/Po.
�
Honda states the new Lithium-Ion battery pack can possibly have a lifespan of 10 years, provided you take good care of it. Given our weather, I don't fully expect the battery to be problem free for 10 years, but I also don't expect them to give up within 5 years. In fact, the battery pack being Li-Ion means that there is a possibility of changing out individual retired cells in the battery array. This means greater serviceability and durability of the entire battery pack.
�
Moreover, as technology improves, we expect battery prices to drop within 5 years. I mean come on, look at your handphones! We were hard-pressed to get even 500 mAh from our old Nokia NiMh batts, but the same form factor can pack >2500 mAh in Li-Ion form today, are we are nonplussed to charge them with China charges and even sleep next to them.�
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Give technology a chance!
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3) Overall cost increase VS the fuel savings
�
Yes, the Hybrid costs so much more than the standard Vezel and the average FC is probably only around 5-7 km/L better than the standard Vezel, which means that fuel savings are insignificant compared to the cost delta. By pure logic, it makes zero sense to purchase the Hybrid for savings.�
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Which, in Singapore, is exactly true!
�
We are not buying high to save money on petrol. We are buying technology, the chance to own a fine�piece of Honda engineering and savouring how the whole package comes together. We are paying for the ability to utilize Japan's first homegrown DSG (Mitsu Evo X SST is built by Getrag Germany, not counted), and the option of driving like a pussy hyper-miler or a decent 150+ hp 7-speed quick shifting vehicle. FYI the 2.0L CR-V has around 155hp but lugs a 1.5 ton body around.
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I enjoy the Hybrid every time I start it up, crawl out of my carpark on pure EV mode, and have great fun doing a max economy run, which sometimes I easily cross 27 km/l on ideal conditions. Or I can be a idiot and engage Sports mode and rage through traffic with the excellent handling characteristics of the Vezel (although its really harsh). Hey, it has i-VTEC and DOHC after all!
�
The premium I paid for the Hybrid can never be justified in terms of fuel savings. However, you also cannot quantify the ability to switch from Mr Jekyll to Mr Hyde at a flick of a button. Its fun! This is why I love Honda, and why I love my Vezel Hybrid.
�
So for those guys who really sitting on the fence between Hybrid and non-Hybrid, my invitation to test drive the Hybrid still stands, just PM me if you need just that little nudge to be convinced ;) ! And even so, follow your heart to buy the Vezel. I am just sharing my honest viewpoints from a Hybrid owner.
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Cheers!
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solid bro, u can b journalist / commentator / emcee / dj w ur level of england.
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1) the honda hybrid 1.5ivtec dohc w dsg combo i saw in youtube looks not so difficult to service; vw exaggerated in terms of technology n price both parts n labor.
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2) i don't charge my fone w cina chargers n also don't sleep beside fone whether chargin anot.
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3) will pm u soon, appreciate ur generous offer.
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Just to confirm, the Auto Engine Cut Off function can not be deactivate? Am i right?TIA
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Hi sis, can�be deactivate. there is a button located above the auto shift stick with "A". Press that and will deactivate it. It will switch back on again everytime u start your car.
Edited by Dino-Lee, 09 January 2015 - 12:58 AM.
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Hi sis, can�be deactivate. there is a button located above the auto shift stick with "A". Press that and will deactivate it. It will switch back on again everytime u start your car.
Thank you, bro!
Malaysia launching and take booking of Honda H-RV 1.8L http://m.themalaymai...ing-in-malaysia
Read in the other thread in this forum, Kah will be showcasing the HRV at next week motor show.
Hi guys,
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Would like to comment on my first week of Hybrid Z ownership.
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There's many comments I saw on why should we purchase a Hybrid, due to the following concerns. I will address each of them.
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1) The 5 infamous recalls of the 7-Speed dual-clutch gearbox in Japan
�
Yes, granted that the i-DCD system has been recalled 5 times. And FIXED. I know we all have some jitters about such recalls especially for a Japan made product, and what's more we are not covered by Kah Motors but individual PIs workshops which we might not trust.
�
Ok, lets be objective about this. We are talking about Made-in-Japan, there's extreme pride in the Japanese people to fix these issues and make sure they do not manifest again. My vehicle has been verified to be produced and updated with the latest software before shipping out to Singapore, so I have confidence it will not happen.
�
Even if touch wood the unfortunate happen, I don't believe the DSG impossible to fix. The Japanese will not allow that. In honesty, Honda used to have more serious problems with their first generation CVTs, which mostly could not last more than 200,000km without breaking down. These are the very CVTs running in all the auto GD1 Jazz/Fits, City and Airwave.�
�
If you dig deeper into the recalls, it is generally a software bug that causes the gearbox not to operate. 5 iterations of software updates, I am quite sure these goblins are eradicated.
�
�
2) Concerns about the hybrid battery lifespan
�
You might have heard of horror stories of Civic Hybrids having to replace their full battery pack at Kah Motors and charging them 10 grand. However, we need to look at the very root of the issue; NiMh batteries. These batteries are old-tech. The next generation of batteries are Li-Ion/Po.
�
Honda states the new Lithium-Ion battery pack can possibly have a lifespan of 10 years, provided you take good care of it. Given our weather, I don't fully expect the battery to be problem free for 10 years, but I also don't expect them to give up within 5 years. In fact, the battery pack being Li-Ion means that there is a possibility of changing out individual retired cells in the battery array. This means greater serviceability and durability of the entire battery pack.
�
Moreover, as technology improves, we expect battery prices to drop within 5 years. I mean come on, look at your handphones! We were hard-pressed to get even 500 mAh from our old Nokia NiMh batts, but the same form factor can pack >2500 mAh in Li-Ion form today, are we are nonplussed to charge them with China charges and even sleep next to them.�
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Give technology a chance!
�
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3) Overall cost increase VS the fuel savings
�
Yes, the Hybrid costs so much more than the standard Vezel and the average FC is probably only around 5-7 km/L better than the standard Vezel, which means that fuel savings are insignificant compared to the cost delta. By pure logic, it makes zero sense to purchase the Hybrid for savings.�
�
Which, in Singapore, is exactly true!
�
We are not buying high to save money on petrol. We are buying technology, the chance to own a fine�piece of Honda engineering and savouring how the whole package comes together. We are paying for the ability to utilize Japan's first homegrown DSG (Mitsu Evo X SST is built by Getrag Germany, not counted), and the option of driving like a pussy hyper-miler or a decent 150+ hp 7-speed quick shifting vehicle. FYI the 2.0L CR-V has around 155hp but lugs a 1.5 ton body around.
�
I enjoy the Hybrid every time I start it up, crawl out of my carpark on pure EV mode, and have great fun doing a max economy run, which sometimes I easily cross 27 km/l on ideal conditions. Or I can be a idiot and engage Sports mode and rage through traffic with the excellent handling characteristics of the Vezel (although its really harsh). Hey, it has i-VTEC and DOHC after all!
�
The premium I paid for the Hybrid can never be justified in terms of fuel savings. However, you also cannot quantify the ability to switch from Mr Jekyll to Mr Hyde at a flick of a button. Its fun! This is why I love Honda, and why I love my Vezel Hybrid.
�
So for those guys who really sitting on the fence between Hybrid and non-Hybrid, my invitation to test drive the Hybrid still stands, just PM me if you need just that little nudge to be convinced ;) ! And even so, follow your heart to buy the Vezel. I am just sharing my honest viewpoints from a Hybrid owner.
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Cheers!
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U used words like "possibility", "possibly".
For instance, possibility of changing of individual cell.
Honda said the battery can possibly last 10 years.
When U consider pure combustion engine, u won't see such words appearing.
I.e. consumers and even manufacturers cannot be 100% certain about its reliability. And Singapore's hot weather of high temp and humidity kills batteries. Well known.
Most people buy hybrid to save fuel and lower their petrol cost. I'm not sure if people are looking at buying technology.
Parallel import... and the pride of Japanese. I'm really speechless at this. Its all about money.
Have u heard about the resale value of hybrid at year 5?
Ultimately u r happy with ur purchase, that's the most important! Enjoy ur ride!
Read in the other thread in this forum, Kah will be showcasing the HRV at next week motor show.
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It seems Kah motor took lesson from Borneo to bring in a hot model before the PIs take all the biz away. Way to go...Kah motors.�
Read in the other thread in this forum, Kah will be showcasing the HRV at next week motor show.
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but at honda fb, they only mentioned they will be showcasing the mobilio, no mention on HRV... hmm..
Edited by Googoo, 09 January 2015 - 09:30 AM.
I think the hybrid version will be better to drive with the extra torque from the electric motor. It will not struggle to keep up or struggle to do overtaking moves.
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But I have some doubts on its handling. Most Crossover or SUVs have independent and multi-link rear suspension. When I looked at the specs and see the "axle type" rear suspension I knew it has to be a torsion beam liao. This really reinforce the "jacked up FWD hatchback".
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Although it's light weight for its class the 1.5L will struggle. 0-60km/hr maybe not much issue for 1-2 driver/passenger. I think most of us know. I previously own the FD1 Civic the 1.8L gets out of breath on higher speeds and you have to wring the engine at 4K-5K rpm to get the max torque out.
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I know new owners are excited but I won't read everything good about it. For any car there's sure to have a downside of things. It's all depending on your priorities when you choose one. Cheers.
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but at honda fb, they only mentioned they will be showcasing the mobilio, no mention on HRV... hmm..
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It's posted by the other member in the motorshow thread, need confirmation with Kah
U used words like "possibility", "possibly".
For instance, possibility of changing of individual cell.
Honda said the battery can possibly last 10 years.
When U consider pure combustion engine, u won't see such words appearing.
I.e. consumers and even manufacturers cannot be 100% certain about its reliability. And Singapore's hot weather of high temp and humidity kills batteries. Well known.
Most people buy hybrid to save fuel and lower their petrol cost. I'm not sure if people are looking at buying technology.
Parallel import... and the pride of Japanese. I'm really speechless at this. Its all about money.
Have u heard about the resale value of hybrid at year 5?
Ultimately u r happy with ur purchase, that's the most important! Enjoy ur ride!�
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I'm sure VW did not expect the DSG fiasco to manifest itself so badly in our tropical climate too. Never in VW technical documents did it state it will last forever too. Manufacturers will always put a warranty on the expected lifespan of their components before the probability of the parts failing rises up, e.g. 100,000km or 6 years etc etc. After that period, the possibility of the parts failing increases, and car owners will need to do preventive maintenance. This is normal, Hybrid or not.
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Yes I agree Singapore's climate sucks for batteries. It is well-known; thats for Nickel Metal Hydride battery forms. That's why I put in effort to point out that the new battery pack consists of Lithium-Ion cells, which are much more resistant to cell degradation, electrode crystallization and pack a higher energy density than NiMh cells can dream of. Li-Ion is next gen hybrid battery technology. Manufacturers don't release new technology into the wild if it is not proven to be an improvement in all aspects, durability and energy density.
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Lastly, yes, I agree with you that people buy Hybrid to lower petrol cost over its lifespan, if I am an American or Japanese. However, I am a SIngaporean, and the notion of savings is already stupidly negated by the substantial cost difference right at the start. So now, buying this Hybrid becomes an exercise in buying techonology, and the "shiok-ness" of owning cutting edge technology. Case in point, the BMW F30 335i and the ActiveHybrid3. This I feel should be the mentality of potential Hybrid owners in Singapore.
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Resale value of Hybrid? The point I am trying to bring across is, we do not buy cars in the current purchasing environment (CEVs rebate reducing our Minimum PARF rebate pathetically) to consider selling them after 5 years. Instead we should be looking at keeping the car for 10 years, so we need to be very prudent in our initial purchase.
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Its all about the money, you are right. You must be well-informed in making your purchase, that's why I am sharing information on this forum for everyone. This is what a forum is all about.
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Cheers!
I think u r a very good customer.
No pun intended.
Honda vezel is indeed a nice looking ride!
any owner can share whether Honda Vezel has a 3-point seat belt for the rear centre passenger? Thanks a lot.
Bros, i found that alot if not all of the PIs are not allowing test drive. I mean if you are a new company or the car is new I'll understand but the car has been out for 6 mths.
If a PI is in for the long haul (supporting Vezel buyers for 10 years), a test drive should be the very basic. If they can't, it feels like a hit and run kind of sale then how can you even trust them for 10 years? Even helpful bros like Nitram can offer a test drive. I have made up my mind to not buy from any PIs who don't offer a test drive. I cannot trust them if they don't commit to selling the car.
What are your views? Especially bros who bought without testing the car.Just my 2 cents only..
Lets say the PI allow test drive. And serious buyer went to enquire & �test drive. I wonder is there anyone will say that "Ok, I will take this car that I had tested" ��
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But when we order the car, we say we wait for the shipment or non-test drive one. �
So finally who gonna buy that test drive car from the poor PI? He ownself buy it? Wow, then he probably has many models.. �
I need to clarify that I am also a customer, not a PI. Also just speaking my thoughts to be fair to the PIs.. �
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congrats!!!
The Aircon cut off ?? It shouldn't be working this way... The engine should cut off not the Aircon .
But the Aircon setting have affect on the auto off function like I mention in my earlier post.
I realize that when was trying to figure out why the auto engine off function only works in the morning and not afternoon ... Then I realize it's bcos in the morning, I set the Aircon to >19deg and in the afternoon, I set to 18degC (Lo)
The auto engine off function will be disabled if the Aircon is set to18degC. I've confirmed it by driving round using different Aircon setting temperature .
Not sure why honda does this... Probably at 18degC it needs more engine power ?So far I din experience such issue. I usually set my AC 24.
But base on your description, I think it has something to do with the battery (or Capacitor). If I am not wrong, why the Vazel can afford to off the engine or allow using of anxilaries during engine off is cos of its Capacitor at the boot. So if the stored energy is insufficient to sustain the Aircon or any other running equipments, it will not allow the engine to switch off so that the latter can charge up the Capacitor until "boleh"..
This is what I think so.. �
any owner can share whether Honda Vezel has a 3-point seat belt for the rear centre passenger? Thanks a lot.
yes
Agree that it's all calculated risk. Now i have the cash ready but i just can't find a PI i can trust! Interesting situation huh? I'm feel like giving up go whack the CRV at Kah motors.
I said earlier that I visited a PI who let me test drive a test car. An S series. But when I wanted to test a Hybrid at the corner, he said it's a new car waiting collection so cannot. That's fine so i left and went for lunch but when i past by the place again, he brought someone out using that exact "new" car. It's a maroon colour hybrid. To bros who just collected a maroon hybrid within past 2 weeks pm me I'll let you know which PI...
How to trust right?�
Haha, my customer told me his friend car had being used as a test drive at Turf City. Anyone here, my advice to you, if you are going to test drive please put on the TRADE PLATE. Make sure you are being cover under insurance etc..... If not say bye bye to your driving licence!
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Just my 2 cents only..
Lets say the PI allow test drive. And serious buyer went to enquire & �test drive. I wonder is there anyone will say that "Ok, I will take this car that I had tested" ��
But when we order the car, we say we wait for the shipment or non-test drive one. �
So finally who gonna buy that test drive car from the poor PI? He ownself buy it? Wow, then he probably has many models.. �
I need to clarify that I am also a customer, not a PI. Also just speaking my thoughts to be fair to the PIs.. �
Many people got your same views here it seems - be fair to the PIs. The ironic thing is that the PI, even the salesperson is driving a bigger car than most of us.
So i guess all the PIs has to do is to talk you to believe in the product, something like insurance, and you commit 120k to it. No test drive, just a brochure, words and the hype? I don't think i can do the same and that's fine. I guess the Vezel sells by itself.
Brothers can i get some advise, which credit card gives more petrol savings/discount
I'm using NTUC Plus and Esso. Savings supposed to be over 19%. However, some are rebates in Link points. Hope this helps.
I just received info from my PI that they have ready stock for Vezel X available for collection before CNY.
If interested I can PM you their contacts.
Disclaimer : I just info purely for the Bro & Sis in this forum & I got no relation with them..
I just received info from my PI that they have ready stock for Vezel X available for collection before CNY.
If interested I can PM you their contacts.
Disclaimer : I just info purely for the Bro & Sis in this forum & I got no relation with them..
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Are you talking about me having stock before CNY..........�
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Are you talking about me having stock before CNY..........�
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Bros,what is the recommended milleage for every CVT gear box oil change, especially for our baby Vezel.Thx!
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Workshop will tell you 40k... its best to do it at <30k
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Workshop will tell you 40k... its best to do it at <30k
Thanks!Honda cvt know to be delicate. I do it every 20k since my fit GE6 days.
Thanks!
I tested the engine cut off vs the aircon temperature function or theory you may call. I was at a traffic light junction, come to a complete stop and confirmed engine was cut off. Next I brought�the aircon setting all the way to 18C, the engine started immediately. So some bros here who mentioned that this is one of the reasons preventing engine to cut off is correct.
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Today is also my 2nd top up of the petrol tank (38 litres to be exact) �after completed 622km after the first full tank top up. Based on this, the FC is about 16.3 km/litres. Just for sharing.
Honda cvt know to be delicate. I do it every 20k since my fit GE6 days.
Me too 20k for Fit.
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Would like to comment on my first week of Hybrid Z ownership.
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There's many comments I saw on why should we purchase a Hybrid, due to the following concerns. I will address each of them.
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1) The 5 infamous recalls of the 7-Speed dual-clutch gearbox in Japan
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Yes, granted that the i-DCD system has been recalled 5 times. And FIXED. I know we all have some jitters about such recalls especially for a Japan made product, and what's more we are not covered by Kah Motors but individual PIs workshops which we might not trust.
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Ok, lets be objective about this. We are talking about Made-in-Japan, there's extreme pride in the Japanese people to fix these issues and make sure they do not manifest again. My vehicle has been verified to be produced and updated with the latest software before shipping out to Singapore, so I have confidence it will not happen.
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Even if touch wood the unfortunate happen, I don't believe the DSG impossible to fix. The Japanese will not allow that. In honesty, Honda used to have more serious problems with their first generation CVTs, which mostly could not last more than 200,000km without breaking down. These are the very CVTs running in all the auto GD1 Jazz/Fits, City and Airwave.�
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If you dig deeper into the recalls, it is generally a software bug that causes the gearbox not to operate. 5 iterations of software updates, I am quite sure these goblins are eradicated.
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2) Concerns about the hybrid battery lifespan
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You might have heard of horror stories of Civic Hybrids having to replace their full battery pack at Kah Motors and charging them 10 grand. However, we need to look at the very root of the issue; NiMh batteries. These batteries are old-tech. The next generation of batteries are Li-Ion/Po.
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Honda states the new Lithium-Ion battery pack can possibly have a lifespan of 10 years, provided you take good care of it. Given our weather, I don't fully expect the battery to be problem free for 10 years, but I also don't expect them to give up within 5 years. In fact, the battery pack being Li-Ion means that there is a possibility of changing out individual retired cells in the battery array. This means greater serviceability and durability of the entire battery pack.
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Moreover, as technology improves, we expect battery prices to drop within 5 years. I mean come on, look at your handphones! We were hard-pressed to get even 500 mAh from our old Nokia NiMh batts, but the same form factor can pack >2500 mAh in Li-Ion form today, are we are nonplussed to charge them with China charges and even sleep next to them.�
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Give technology a chance!
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3) Overall cost increase VS the fuel savings
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Yes, the Hybrid costs so much more than the standard Vezel and the average FC is probably only around 5-7 km/L better than the standard Vezel, which means that fuel savings are insignificant compared to the cost delta. By pure logic, it makes zero sense to purchase the Hybrid for savings.�
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Which, in Singapore, is exactly true!
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We are not buying high to save money on petrol. We are buying technology, the chance to own a fine�piece of Honda engineering and savouring how the whole package comes together. We are paying for the ability to utilize Japan's first homegrown DSG (Mitsu Evo X SST is built by Getrag Germany, not counted), and the option of driving like a pussy hyper-miler or a decent 150+ hp 7-speed quick shifting vehicle. FYI the 2.0L CR-V has around 155hp but lugs a 1.5 ton body around.
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I enjoy the Hybrid every time I start it up, crawl out of my carpark on pure EV mode, and have great fun doing a max economy run, which sometimes I easily cross 27 km/l on ideal conditions. Or I can be a idiot and engage Sports mode and rage through traffic with the excellent handling characteristics of the Vezel (although its really harsh). Hey, it has i-VTEC and DOHC after all!
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The premium I paid for the Hybrid can never be justified in terms of fuel savings. However, you also cannot quantify the ability to switch from Mr Jekyll to Mr Hyde at a flick of a button. Its fun! This is why I love Honda, and why I love my Vezel Hybrid.
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So for those guys who really sitting on the fence between Hybrid and non-Hybrid, my invitation to test drive the Hybrid still stands, just PM me if you need just that little nudge to be convinced ;) ! And even so, follow your heart to buy the Vezel. I am just sharing my honest viewpoints from a Hybrid owner.
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Cheers!
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Edited by Rationalexuberance, 09 January 2015 - 09:01 PM.
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Carplate xx00? The white one. If so, then that's my customer's car. Haha, just collected yesterday.�
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indeed it is. his previous car is a black car right?
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Taobao goodies arrived....
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Taobao goodies arrived....
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chio man ...
Niltrams (Smartlin) bro! Thanks so much for the super detailed intro of the hybrid. The drive was lovely and unforgettable. Still trying so hard to hold the vivid experience and relive the feeling now. I am 110% sold on the vezel and 98% sold on getting the hybrid. Only financial plans to be done. Needa 1st sell my beloved CU2 to the next Honda loving owner.
U selling cu2 and buying vezel?
Taobao goodies arrived....
Can any bro here advise the road holding/ stability of this Vezel. As my current Honda Civic has less than 10 months to go, i am keen to buy a Honda car again. I like heavy car with a good road holding, sturdy body and less bumpy when on the highway. Mostly travel highway 70/ city 30.
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I drove the 2007 Civic before switching to Vezel. Personally, I feel that Vezel tends to sway to one side a bit more when cornering compared to Civic. Probably due to higher CG.
Will probably consider Hyundai Tucson as well.
congrats!!!
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Thank you.
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Still a lot of accessories not arrived yet though.�
This is the�latest CEV Rebate news for PI
http://www.stcars.sg...-a-boost-145794
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Vezel current CEV Rebate is band A3 = $10K
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With this new announcement, very likely�Vezel�will be promoted to band A2 = $15K
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Should the selling price of Vezel be reduce?
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Do you think is it fair for PI to maintain�the same selling�price?�
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If that is the case, us buyers is really at the losing end.
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Why?
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Because our PARF value will be reduced down further from current $4K+
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would really like to hear your views.
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Edited by trajet2b, 10 January 2015 - 01:02 AM.
U selling cu2 and buying vezel?
Yes! Gona send for consignment,has very high paper value and low mileage. Wife pregnant so needa change to family car liao.
This is the�latest CEV Rebate news for PI
http://www.stcars.sg...-a-boost-145794
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Vezel current CEV Rebate is band A3 = $10K
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With this new announcement, very likely�Vezel�will be promoted to band A2 = $15K
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Should the selling price of Vezel be reduce?
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Do you think is it fair for PI to maintain�the same selling�price?�
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If that is the case, us buyers is really at the losing end.
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Why?
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Because our PARF value will be reduced down further from current $4K+
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would really like to hear your views.
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Hehehe buy already don't want to think too much about it. 10 yrs later than worry.
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