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My past experience with DA is that they are very reluctant to let us go to AD workshops for repairs. They will keep pushing us to go to their own workshops. But that was more than 3 years ago. Things might have change for now.

Hmm. your age? years of driving? Oh ya i got SAF group insurance too and that will give another 15%.
But the quote can change from time to time. I got my quote in early May.

Bro, what does SAF group insurance have to do with anything? 15% discount from what? From any Aviva car insurance, issit? Cuz I think I have SAF group insurance too and if that means I can save money on car insurance, I'd love to learn more.

Our FNA HU sucks. I didnt know I was getting the outdated HU and speedo when i booked the car.

Yea, ~10k upfront differences for the turbo, from lips, HU + HK speakers, speedo, steel paddles, tail gate and 18inch wheels.

Yea, ~10k upfront differences for the turbo, from lips, HU + HK speakers, speedo, steel paddles, tail gate and 18inch wheels.

...not to mention uprated suspension, brakes and S# mode.

Edited by Chevycavy, 19 June 2016 - 04:40 PM.

...not to mention uprated suspension, brakes and S# mode.

FXT are value for money compared to FNA. So what's the downside of getting FXT compared to FNA? Other than the $12k difference.

Edited by Slazen, 19 June 2016 - 04:43 PM.

FXT are value for money compared to FNA. So what's the downside of getting FXT compared to FNA? Other than the $12k difference.

Value for money or not is subjective. There are ones who feel they don't need the extra FXT goodies so that 12k is not worth it to them. Nothing wrong with that too.

TC cars are said to require more frequent servicing so potential extra cost there. FXT will have worse FC than FNA. Higher insurance premium maybe?

Mine does not :(

Sad

Jacky Cheung canto song in his album "Smile". Only smile appear :)

Bluetooth doesn't fix Chinese character display on my 7-inch HU either. And to think I was starting to hope. How on earth are some of you doing it? Could the answer really be a firmware upgrade?

...not to mention uprated suspension, brakes and S# mode.

...memory seats in FxT when you have 2 regular drivers very important to me

...memory seats in FxT when you have 2 regular drivers very important to me

I'm still sore that FXT has seat memory but Legacy doesn't. Asked MI to install for me (it's a factory option for the Legacy, after all) but they are still scratching their heads about it. Sigh.

Bro, what does SAF group insurance have to do with anything? 15% discount from what? From any Aviva car insurance, issit? Cuz I think I have SAF group insurance too and if that means I can save money on car insurance, I'd love to learn more.

Saf group insurance under aviva mah. So if buy aviva car insurance u can get 15% more off. It's good savings really. Best part is got ncd protector, can go back mi for repairs and cover act of God as well.

Saf group insurance under aviva mah. So if buy aviva car insurance u can get 15% more off. It's good savings really. Best part is got ncd protector, can go back mi for repairs and cover act of God as well.

Eh, I didn't know that, thanks for this! Going to be on my shortlist next May when I look for alternatives to AIG. I love good savings.

Value for money or not is subjective. There are ones who feel they don't need the extra FXT goodies so that 12k is not worth it to them. Nothing wrong with that too.

TC cars are said to require more frequent servicing so potential extra cost there. FXT will have worse FC than FNA. Higher insurance premium maybe?

Ya fxt upfront buying cost is higher ~12-15k. Insurance for me is $300 more per year. Fc wise I'm getting around 11-11.5km/L so compare to fna I probably waste another $100 per month based on my usage. 18 inch tires also more expensive when I need to change them every 2 years. Servicing is same, every 10k. Btw, mi charge by engine cc. Not by turbo or na. But if the turbo needs extra replacement of spare parts then it's another additional cost.

All in all, fxt is more ex to run annually compare to fna.

But y so some ppl still choose fxt over fna?

Reason is very simple. It's because fxt owners are willing to pay a slight premium to enjoy the additional features (including the kick of driving a twin charge turbo engine) of the fxt. This some the additional features are good to have. To some, they are quite essential. For eg myself, memory seats, hk sound system, better suspension and brakes, turbo engine, all these are important to me. :)

I'm still sore that FXT has seat memory but Legacy doesn't. Asked MI to install for me (it's a factory option for the Legacy, after all) but they are still scratching their heads about it. Sigh.

I'm the sole driver of my car, but I still find the memory seats useful. Eg when using valet services, sometimes they may change my seat positions, or when send for servicing, or I just wanna recline and relax while waiting for wife to knock off from work. With memory seats, I can get my seating position back instantly. Heh...

I'm the sole driver of my car, but I still find the memory seats useful. Eg when using valet services, sometimes they may change my seat positions, or when send for servicing, or I just wanna recline and relax while waiting for wife to knock off from work. With memory seats, I can get my seating position back instantly. Heh...

Wah, yaya lah, bro! Just kidding :) I couldn't agree more, even though I'm the sole driver too. Those are the exact reasons I want seat memory. I would really happily pay to have this installed.

Since I was asking about workshops in Malaysia, to my surprise, Subaru M'sia actually has 3rd party workshops on their website.

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http://www.subaru.as...ales/#[map1]/2/

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Just to share this, in case of emergency (also from Subaru M'sia):

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Vehicle Breakdown Service

Breakdown assistance numbers for the respective regions are as follows:

Central and
Eastern Region Wilayah Persekutuan (KL), Selangor, Perak (South), Melaka,
Negeri Sembilan, Pahang, Terengganu, Kelantan 012-6688063 Northern Region Penang, Kedah, Perak (North), Perlis 019-4000924 Southern Region Johor 019-7000795

Service Coverage: Peninsular Malaysia Only
Applicable for Malaysia and Singapore registered Subaru vehicles
(Charges applies to non-warranty Subaru vehicles)

Yours is fna I presumed? I used DA before. It's hard to make repair at AD. They will keep telling u to go to their authorised workshops...
Aviva just go online get quote. If your profile similar to mine then should be around 1.3k only. If u buy 2 years one shot it's even cheaper and comes with $200 petrol voucher. Btw, my job is indoor. Fna they quote around 1k only.

I just called them and confirmed my package can go to MI for repairs so I guess it is ok.

Best to avoid accidents :)

MI's AIG quote for me was very ex. $2.6k 34yr 20% ncd, 10yrs driving. I got aviva myself at 1.3k, with ncd protector, comprehensive, act of God covered, can go back mI for repairs.

Above for xt btw.

Wah. MI insurance quite exp ah

Value for money or not is subjective. There are ones who feel they don't need the extra FXT goodies so that 12k is not worth it to them. Nothing wrong with that too.

TC cars are said to require more frequent servicing so potential extra cost there. FXT will have worse FC than FNA. Higher insurance premium maybe?

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Personally i would have bought the FXT if it came with an air scoop ala WRX or the old foresters.�

Trying to pull a fast one?

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Hmm, I'm also can't quite decide on doing soundproofing for my fxt. The car itself is actually very quiet already. The engine is pretty silent except when u rev hard and need the sudden urge to overtake. Even then the engine sounds pretty refine. Wind noise is noticeable at > legal hw speeds of 100,110 and beyond. Even the doors are pretty well insulated as I find the HK system to work well even when listening to sounds with heavier bass. The doors may not feel as solid as a bmw x3, but they certainly don't vibrate or sound hollow. The biggest culprit i find is the road noise, especially driving over very rough patches of road. To be honest, even a bmw 3 series with 18 inch wheels suffer from pretty bad road noises despite its excellent sound insulation. Doing a complete enhance floor and wheel arches sound proofing is the only way to reduce road noise. But i find this to be a bit too extensive as it requires the removal of all seats (our electric chairs!) and floor carpet, which i feel very uncomfortable about it.

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BTW, the clasani undercoat does help a bit on the road noise. On well-paved roads, the car appear to be more silent. On rougher patches, road noise also sounded more muffled. $290 is quite well spent, especially its done by our agent MI.

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Hmm... But SP for boot is kinda questionable leh. I used to layer my boot floor with 2 layers of mat and that will reduce some noise from the undercarriage. I know of some who also SP the boot cover but aside from making the boot cover heavier and close with a nicer thud, i'm not sure how that will help in reducing noise? Some audio shops also do boot SP by removing the spare tire and filling it up with SP mats.

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Actually, MI's proposal for SP the 4 doors and roof �is quite tempting except for the slightly high cost. its about $1150 for Forester. Can offset $200 (for every $1000 spent) if u have enough DUO points. essentially almost 20% discount. But then again, i doubt it will help to reduce road noise further which is the main culprit. Change to better tires may be the cheaper and more effective option to reduce road noise further.

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Once you start, you'll know the difference. It's actually very noticeable. Agree that the car itself is decent in terms of cabin quietness. Having done the SP, it's another level of quietness after the sound proof. The trade-off here is weight, but for a 1.7 ton/ 2l TC car... it's a drop in the ocean. Reputable shops will protect your car's innards and fittings. Go with someone who have done up the car before. On SPing of the boot, i was referring to was the spare tyre well and its surroundings. I was trying to get rid of a specific sound/road noise... it's a dark dark path i tell you. :P

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The good thing about going to MI is that you can blame the loose parts/fittings (if it occurs) on them! [laugh] � [laugh] ��Well, you're paying a premium and they'll have to offer that at the very least. :)

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Turn back if you feel the current setup is sufficient... once you start, you'll never go back! :)

Edited by Cboonh, 20 June 2016 - 11:30 AM.

Trying to pull a fast one?

http://www.sgcarmart...=569828&DL=1389

Huh? $159800 for 3 month old FXT...

If same price I understand but now he is expecting Coe going up 20k?

I just called them and confirmed my package can go to MI for repairs so I guess it is ok.

Best to avoid accidents :)

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Good to know that DA's still an option for those of us Subaru drivers who want to ensure we keep our MI warranties. Did you take DA's low mileage and Singapore-only (cannot drive to M'sia) discounts? How much did you pay? I used DA for a few years before switching to AIG for my Legacy.

Once you start, you'll know the difference. It's actually very noticeable. Agree that the car itself is decent in terms of cabin quietness. Having done the SP, it's another level of quietness after the sound proof. The trade-off here is weight, but for a 1.7 ton/ 2l TC car... it's a drop in the ocean. Reputable shops will protect your car's innards and fittings. Go with someone who have done up the car before. On SPing of the boot, i was referring to was the spare tyre well and its surroundings. I was trying to get rid of a specific sound/road noise... it's a dark dark path i tell you. :P

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The good thing about going to MI is that you can blame the loose parts/fittings (if it occurs) on them! � ��Well, you're paying a premium and they'll have to offer that at the very least. :)

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Turn back if you feel the current setup is sufficient... once you start, you'll never go back! :)

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Poisonous, eh? Thanks for the warning. I've decided to stay away from additional soundproofing and be content. Let's see how long that resolution lasts. I reckon it will probably hold.

Huh? $159800 for 3 month old FXT...

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Suspect it's to allow for bigger loan amount.

Probably will give a better deal for the trade-in car to offset the "high" price of the new-ish 2nd hand car.
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Huh? $159800 for 3 month old FXT...

Tot cannot transfer new car within 6 mths?

re Solar film, anyone tried the 3M Crystaline? I am told reduce IR 70 to 90%

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re Solar film, anyone tried the 3M Crystaline? I am told reduce IR 70 to 90%

Cheers

Yup, using 3M. So far so good. When park in the hot Sun for awhile carry doesn't feel too heated up. Similar or slightly better to my previous ride having v kool

re Solar film, anyone tried the 3M Crystaline? I am told reduce IR 70 to 90%

Cheers

Yup, using 3M. So far so good. When park in the hot Sun for awhile carry doesn't feel too heated up. Similar or slightly better to my previous ride having v kool

Tot cannot transfer new car within 6 mths?

If open cat COE, can trf within 3 months.

Good to know that DA's still an option for those of us Subaru drivers who want to ensure we keep our MI warranties. Did you take DA's low mileage and Singapore-only (cannot drive to M'sia) discounts? How much did you pay? I used DA for a few years before switching to AIG for my Legacy.

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Nope.. I can drive to Malaysia and I did not take up the low mileage.. It cost me almost $1000 for the premium (I have 30% NCD only).�

Has anyone install the front sensor from MI? Any idea how it works, is there a switch that we can switch it off when we need? first time driving such a big car. Very worry not used to it so thinking whether it's worthwhile to get the front sensor haha

Personally i would have bought the FXT if it came with an air scoop ala WRX or the old foresters.

I am just opposite. I would not had bought it if it has the air scoop.

Has anyone install the front sensor from MI? Any idea how it works, is there a switch that we can switch it off when we need? first time driving such a big car. Very worry not used to it so thinking whether it's worthwhile to get the front sensor haha

No need la. Compared to a normal sedan it is just a bit longer and wider. It is just tall to give the impression of size.

What I find hard to get used to is the bonnet has tapered longitudinal edges as seen from the driver's seat so the straight side of the bonnet is actually hidden from sight and a bit further outwards. don't know if anyone knows what I am trying to describe haha. But me and wife at first often end up parking a bit 1 O'clock position because of this.

Nope.. I can drive to Malaysia and I did not take up the low mileage.. It cost me almost $1000 for the premium (I have 30% NCD only).

Wah, that's good pricing, thanks for sharing. I'm definitely going to consider both DA and Aviva next year when I'm renewing then. DA's pricing is always so aggressively competitive.

No need la. Compared to a normal sedan it is just a bit longer and wider. It is just tall to give the impression of size.

What I find hard to get used to is the bonnet has tapered longitudinal edges as seen from the driver's seat so the straight side of the bonnet is actually hidden from sight and a bit further outwards. don't know if anyone knows what I am trying to describe haha. But me and wife at first often end up parking a bit 1 O'clock position because of this.

Foresters are actually significantly shorter than both Legacy and Outback, let alone long Korean sedans like the Sonata and K5, and Japanese sedan bestsellers like Camry and Accord. It's also taken me some time to get used to my Legacy's length. Still getting used to it, actually.

Has anyone install the front sensor from MI? Any idea how it works, is there a switch that we can switch it off when we need? first time driving such a big car. Very worry not used to it so thinking whether it's worthwhile to get the front sensor haha

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Hi I did. I think there is a switch they installed just under the fuse box area.. but I yet to test it. One thing is I find it not very sensitive when i got my SO to walk around the front of the car (of course the car was NOT moving... although...although...). There is also an indicator gadget to see.

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Let me take some photos tomorrow.

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Compared to my CRV front and back sensors, I don't know why the ones installed for me (the front) are not activated often (i.e not much sounds). Maybe cause I am driving more careful :)

Thanks for the advice, Rachdanom. Thats me being kiasu.. totally loving the Forester and that's why don't want to take any chances of scratching it, me being a poor driver at times haha.

Thats great, Civicguy! Thank you so much for your help!

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Since I was asking about workshops in Malaysia, to my surprise, Subaru M'sia actually has 3rd party workshops on their website.

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http://www.subaru.as...ales/#[map1]/2/

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Just to share this, in case of emergency (also from Subaru M'sia):

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Vehicle Breakdown Service
Breakdown assistance numbers for the respective regions are as follows:

Central and
Eastern Region Wilayah Persekutuan (KL), Selangor, Perak (South), Melaka,
Negeri Sembilan, Pahang, Terengganu, Kelantan 012-6688063 Northern Region Penang, Kedah, Perak (North), Perlis 019-4000924 Southern Region Johor 019-7000795

Service Coverage: Peninsular Malaysia Only
Applicable for Malaysia and Singapore registered Subaru vehicles
(Charges applies to non-warranty Subaru vehicles)

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Altam thanks for the info, I have created a Quick reference card for everyone to print out and keep in the car for easy reference.

This is only cut and paste from Subaru Malaysia and Singapore Website. Please high light any error, so I can edit it.�

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Edited by thefalcon, 20 June 2016 - 11:58 PM.

Personally i would have bought the FXT if it came with an air scoop ala WRX or the old foresters.

http://www.subarufor...d-scoop-605426/

Mai tu Liao, time to get the FXT

Functional air scoop:
http://www.subarufor...1247.549901.jpg

Edited by Jamesgetz, 21 June 2016 - 12:14 AM.

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Since I was asking about workshops in Malaysia, to my surprise, Subaru M'sia actually has 3rd party workshops on their website.

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http://www.subaru.as...ales/#[map1]/2/

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Just to share this, in case of emergency (also from Subaru M'sia):

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Vehicle Breakdown Service
Breakdown assistance numbers for the respective regions are as follows:

Central and
Eastern Region Wilayah Persekutuan (KL), Selangor, Perak (South), Melaka,
Negeri Sembilan, Pahang, Terengganu, Kelantan 012-6688063 Northern Region Penang, Kedah, Perak (North), Perlis 019-4000924 Southern Region Johor 019-7000795

Service Coverage: Peninsular Malaysia Only
Applicable for Malaysia and Singapore registered Subaru vehicles
(Charges applies to non-warranty Subaru vehicles)

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Hopefully warranty also applicable in Malaysia since MI is same company

Thanks for the advice, Rachdanom. Thats me being kiasu.. totally loving the Forester and that's why don't want to take any chances of scratching it, me being a poor driver at times haha.

Thats great, Civicguy! Thank you so much for your help!

Here u go. I think (important as I am not familiar too) this is the switch

And this is the "monitor" at the dashboard.

I might consider adding corner back sensors later.

Edited by Civicguy, 21 June 2016 - 08:20 AM.

Wah, that's good pricing, thanks for sharing. I'm definitely going to consider both DA and Aviva next year when I'm renewing then. DA's pricing is always so aggressively competitive.
Foresters are actually significantly shorter than both Legacy and Outback, let alone long Korean sedans like the Sonata and K5, and Japanese sedan bestsellers like Camry and Accord. It's also taken me some time to get used to my Legacy's length. Still getting used to it, actually.

For DA... Premiums are saved for specific adjustment which is fair to policy holders and insurer.. Example if you are Low mileage, and stated as one.. Premium is lower bec actual Travelling is lesser so lesser risk..

Check on the definition of Low mileage before signing.. Is it less than 10000km per year? What happens there is a claim and happens to travel more than 15000km?

U specify u use the car for leisure only... But if you are driving the car to work.. Does that makes it using the car for work??

It's clauses and classification like this which makes me avoid DA... For general insurance, the lesser the clauses and Q&A the better

i agree

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we buy insurance for peace of minds.

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all these funny clauses give us headache only.

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not sure if it's worth the trouble.

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if no accident then the best lah. but if touch wood, really kena something, would the insurance company payout? they're not known for being charitable.

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For DA... Premiums are saved for specific adjustment which is fair to policy holders and insurer.. Example if you are Low mileage, and stated as one.. Premium is lower bec actual Travelling is lesser so lesser risk..

Check on the definition of Low mileage before signing.. Is it less than 10000km per year? What happens there is a claim and happens to travel more than 15000km?

U specify u use the car for leisure only... But if you are driving the car to work.. Does that makes it using the car for work??

It's clauses and classification like this which makes me avoid DA... For general insurance, the lesser the clauses and Q&A the better

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For DA... Premiums are saved for specific adjustment which is fair to policy holders and insurer.. Example if you are Low mileage, and stated as one.. Premium is lower bec actual Travelling is lesser so lesser risk..

Check on the definition of Low mileage before signing.. Is it less than 10000km per year? What happens there is a claim and happens to travel more than 15000km?

U specify u use the car for leisure only... But if you are driving the car to work.. Does that makes it using the car for work??

It's clauses and classification like this which makes me avoid DA... For general insurance, the lesser the clauses and Q&A the better

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You definitely have a point about finding out what happens if conditions are breached. It also puts the burden on us insured to ensure that our policies are updated as our needs change, which can be a pain. Eg, one of the big DA discounts comes with restricting travel to Singapore. If you suddenly want to make a road trip to Malacca, you've got to upgrade your policy.

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It also comes down to the price gap between DA and competitors. If it's not a huge gap, I'd be inclined to save myself headache and pay a bit more for fewer restrictions. But if it's a significant gap, DA might still be worth it. We'll see next year.

i agree

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we buy insurance for peace of minds.

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all these funny clauses give us headache only.

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not sure if it's worth the trouble.

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if no accident then the best lah. but if touch wood, really kena something, would the insurance company payout? they're not known for being charitable.

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Question is whether or not the trouble is worth the discount. So depends on how much discount, and depends on how careful (ngiao) you are with your money. I'll that while I'm often happy to spend on my car, I'm sometimes quite reluctant to spend on stuff like car insurance.

anyone knows is there a way to auto lock the doors when engine started and unlock them when engine stopped. FXT.�

anyone knows is there a way to auto lock the doors when engine started and unlock them when engine stopped. FXT.

You need the force to do that...

Hoseyliao!

Got my COE. Booked my FXT at $120.6K before announcement. MI hoot my 2nd bid at $58, 599. No top up.
I think they desperatemy to clear stock!

Congrats!� Didn't get mine even though booked at $120.8k after 2nd bidding....� My friend book at the same time with me for Tucson got it at the 1st bid... :pissed-off:

Here u go. I think (important as I am not familiar too) this is the switch

And this is the "monitor" at the dashboard.

I might consider adding corner back sensors later.

Thanks so much, Civicguy. This is very useful. Do you remember the price of this addon? Remember seeing it at $180. Now wanting to add on, but was qouted $220. I might remember wrongly though. Just want to confirm

Thanks so much, Civicguy. This is very useful. Do you remember the price of this addon? Remember seeing it at $180. Now wanting to add on, but was qouted $220. I might remember wrongly though. Just want to confirm

$220 front sensor with indicator
$180 reverse sensor

Probably good to call Mi confirm

Hoseyliao!

Got my COE. Booked my FXT at $120.6K before announcement. MI hoot my 2nd bid at $58, 599. No top up.
I think they desperatemy to clear stock!

Congrats, I miss mine by $600. Booked mine at $124 G COE

Thanks so much, Civicguy. This is very useful. Do you remember the price of this addon? Remember seeing it at $180. Now wanting to add on, but was qouted $220. I might remember wrongly though. Just want to confirm

Go Tan Chong.. Same thing at $166

https://www.nissan.c...areProducts.pdf

Reverse sensor $155..

Don't understand why MI more expensive. Identical products..

Edited by BenTong, 22 June 2016 - 07:35 PM.

I very guai, all the way in I mode. I find I mode to be quite responsive before my 1k oil change. After they put in the stupid retarded Shell helix ultra 5w40, it became less responsive. 5k service i sure change engine oil.

Anyone took the upgrade and take up their Motul racing oil? Is it 5w40 or 5w30?

Just ask for and insist on 5W30 during your next oil change.

Go Tan Chong.. Same thing at $166

https://www.nissan.c...areProducts.pdf

Reverse sensor $155..

Don't understand why MI more expensive. Identical products..

Nissan Forester XT... lol.

Just came back from melacca. Shiok feeling driving the NA.
Sin to Mel and Mel to Sin.
Use about 6 bars :)

$220 front sensor with indicator
$180 reverse sensor

Probably good to call Mi confirm

By the way, just to check, the front sensor is ultrasonic or electromagnetic? Will there be drills on the car?

$220 front sensor with indicator
$180 reverse sensor

Probably good to call Mi confirm

Meanwhile, MI quoted me $280 for 2 front parking sensors for Legacy (theres a 4-sensor option). Why the price difference?

Anyway, expensive, must still holes in my smooth bumper, so I dowan.

Some mentioned it's a safety feature. So that in the event of an accident or driver passed out with the engine still running, rescuers can open the door.

What if the driver lock the door himself when he start the engine? Kinda hard to buy this safety theory.

Hoseyliao!

Got my COE. Booked my FXT at $120.6K before announcement. MI hoot my 2nd bid at $58, 599. No top up.
I think they desperatemy to clear stock!

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This is my 2nd bid too, but didn't get� [mad] . �Bid at S$50K+

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By the way, just to check, the front sensor is ultrasonic or electromagnetic? Will there be drills on the car?

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Sorry ah... you mean the Forester doesn't come with parking sensors???

I thought rear sensors are standard? �Front (2 or 4) are optional.

What if the driver lock the door himself when he start the engine? Kinda hard to buy this safety theory.

This is the 1st car I owned that doesn't auto lock itself. I guess somethings got to give in this feature. Some will like to have all doors lock for whatever reason (small children with wandering hands or driving in places where car jacking is common etc).

So for whatever theory is behind this design, it does not matter. If it's important for you to keep it locked then you keep it locked. Just hope that there is someone with calmness of mind to know how to smash the window in the event the driver passes out in an emergency (eg. Car on fire after collision). I've also heard there are also designs where the car will auto unlock in the event of an accident. Too bad it's not available in this car.

This is the 1st car I owned that doesn't auto lock itself. I guess somethings got to give in this feature. Some will like to have all doors lock for whatever reason (small children with wandering hands or driving in places where car jacking is common etc).

So for whatever theory is behind this design, it does not matter. If it's important for you to keep it locked then you keep it locked. Just hope that there is someone with calmness of mind to know how to smash the window in the event the driver passes out in an emergency (eg. Car on fire after collision). I've also heard there are also designs where the car will auto unlock in the event of an accident. Too bad it's not available in this car.

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This kind of auto-lock or not is really depends on your perspective... hahaha... my father's Fluence has auto-lock, but all passengers can just pull the door lever and unlock from inside - you can open the door from outside. But if the dash unlock button is pressed, you can open the door from outside. Apparently, the SE says this is the Euro safety standard with the door unlock button on the dash so that if the driver is incapacitated, anyone can reach for it to unlock the doors.

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My Sonata is a hydrid. It also has auto-lock - selectable to lock at above 20 kmh or shifting the gear lever. Front passengers can also open the door from inside but the rear passengers can't. The door unlock button is on the driver's door handle. Which also means if the driver is incapacitated, then someone needs the presence of mind to unlock the doors.

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My previous Impreza has this issue of not having an auto-lock feature. I thought it was cos my car was the basic car, I didn't know that even in the premium Forester XT also don't have? What about the Legacy? My understanding is that the Legacy is the flagship and has lots of features the other models don't have. Not sure if this is still like that now.

This kind of auto-lock or not is really depends on your perspective... hahaha... my father's Fluence has auto-lock, but all passengers can just pull the door lever and unlock from inside - you can open the door from outside. But if the dash unlock button is pressed, you can open the door from outside. Apparently, the SE says this is the Euro safety standard with the door unlock button on the dash so that if the driver is incapacitated, anyone can reach for it to unlock the doors.

My Sonata is a hydrid. It also has auto-lock - selectable to lock at above 20 kmh or shifting the gear lever. Front passengers can also open the door from inside but the rear passengers can't. The door unlock button is on the driver's door handle. Which also means if the driver is incapacitated, then someone needs the presence of mind to unlock the doors.

My previous Impreza has this issue of not having an auto-lock feature. I thought it was cos my car was the basic car, I didn't know that even in the premium Forester XT also don't have? What about the Legacy? My understanding is that the Legacy is the flagship and has lots of features the other models don't have. Not sure if this is still like that now.

All these are good...

But if driving alone....then....

Anyway, it's never my perspective towards any locking system. This is my 6th car and all have different security systems for their own intended purposes. Some might prefer one system over another. But it's up to each driver's preference. Important is driving safe to whatever system that comes with the car. If not satisfied with the stock system, one can always 'upgrade' it to his/her preference.

True true but I always don't like to open up the car for surgery lar... ha ha...

True true but I always don't like to open up the car for surgery lar... ha ha...

Same here...unless really necessary, I don't like any surgery on my car too, hahaha. Maybe age got to do with my thinking now. I remember my 1st and 2nd car modify here upgrade there...spent so much money.

When the FXT had most of the things I wanted and needed without much changes to stock, I decided on it when my budget allows.

european safety feature.

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obviously they have never been to JB.

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Some mentioned it's a safety feature. So that in the event of an accident or driver passed out with the engine still running, rescuers can open the door.

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european safety feature.

obviously they have never been to JB.

Hahaha...

Now I drive to JB also very wary of my surroundings. Doors always kept locked and when parked had to use additional locking mechanisms.

So I try not to drive over unless necessary...haiz.

european safety feature.

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obviously they have never been to JB.

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That's not European safety feature.

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When car move, locked.

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When car long, airbag engaged, hazard light on, engine off and unlock door.
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Hahaha...

Now I drive to JB also very wary of my surroundings. Doors always kept locked and when parked had to use additional locking mechanisms.

So I try not to drive over unless necessary...haiz.

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With addition locking mechanism, it means u spent more time stationary.� Safer?

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Car lost.� Juz claim insurance loh.� Better than having a machete knocking on your window.

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There are so many Singaporean car in JB.� How many kenna?� Maybe those kenna need to bath holy water.

That's not European safety feature.

When car move, locked.

When car long, airbag engaged, hazard light on, engine off and unlock door.

With addition locking mechanism, it means u spent more time stationary. Safer?

Car lost. Juz claim insurance loh. Better than having a machete knocking on your window.

There are so many Singaporean car in JB. How many kenna? Maybe those kenna need to bath holy water.

To each his own on whatever system preferred. There are too many scenarios for Murphy that no system in the world can cover all. Just drive safe to the best of our ability. If it's your time, it's your time.

The locking mechanism takes less than 10 seconds to engage. In my opinion, a 10 second calculated risk I'm willing to take. I would not be driving over at all if I had a choice.

Simple bang claim insurance I already sian half already. So cumbersome. Not to mention whole car lost...in foreign land somemore. The thought of it also sian half.

So many Singaporean cars in JB? Yes, a lot daily. How many got stolen and not reported in the news? Also many. Just pray that we don't add to that statistics as much as we an help it.

Edited by razor54, 23 June 2016 - 03:14 PM.

This kind of auto-lock or not is really depends on your perspective... hahaha... my father's Fluence has auto-lock, but all passengers can just pull the door lever and unlock from inside - you can open the door from outside. But if the dash unlock button is pressed, you can open the door from outside. Apparently, the SE says this is the Euro safety standard with the door unlock button on the dash so that if the driver is incapacitated, anyone can reach for it to unlock the doors.

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My Sonata is a hydrid. It also has auto-lock - selectable to lock at above 20 kmh or shifting the gear lever. Front passengers can also open the door from inside but the rear passengers can't. The door unlock button is on the driver's door handle. Which also means if the driver is incapacitated, then someone needs the presence of mind to unlock the doors.

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My previous Impreza has this issue of not having an auto-lock feature. I thought it was cos my car was the basic car, I didn't know that even in the premium Forester XT also don't have? What about the Legacy? My understanding is that the Legacy is the flagship and has lots of features the other models don't have. Not sure if this is still like that now.

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I like the fact that many of the Sonata's default settings are tweakable, ranging from auto-luck, to one touch lane changer flashes. US-made Legacies can also tweak one touch lane changer settings, but MI claims they tried to change mine (I requested), and couldn't, so I suppose we have different car firmware here. You say your Sonata rear doors can't be opened from the inside once locked. This isn't because the child lock option's enabled?

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As far as I know, no current Subaru model has auto-locking. And as far as I know, MI doesn't offer it as a mod.

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There's too much conflicting information out there about whether or not auto-locking helps or hinders crash (as distinct from theft) safety, with some people saying that the danger of being locked in post-crash is real, while others declare it an old myth. I have yet to find conclusive studies or official recommendations that settle the matter. So, I say it's up to you. Personally, I hate the idea of someone having to break glass windows (glass!) to get to me and my children. No thanks hor. I also find it incredibly inconvenient to have to unlock doors to pick up passengers, especially when the pick-up needs to be chop chop. And lastly, a practical point is that my Legacy's dealer-modded ($150 from MI) auto-fold side mirror mechanism activates whenever all doors are locked - regardless of whether or not you're in the car driving at the time. So I, and any other Subaru (or Nissan; TCI owns both dealerships) owner who has this not-so-smart folding system installed simply can't have auto-lock anymore, even if we suddenly get the option to install it.

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Which brings me to your question about the Legacy. It's still positioned as Subaru's premium sedan, but it's actually one of the cheaper Subarus now in terms of price, and no longer has the best specs in every area. For example, FXT has seat memory, while the Legacy doesn't, even though Subaru offers it as an option from the factory. And I believe the Outback (essentially the SUV version of the Legacy) comes with a lot of accessories (mud guards, etc) that are actually available for the Legacy, but don't come with it. The Legacy still has the most rear legroom among Subarus, and does have the STI/JDM bodykit option, but that's about it.

True true but I always don't like to open up the car for surgery lar... ha ha...

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Me neither. Always risks introducing creaks and vibration when before there were none. Plus there's the danger of being poisoned... panels open already, so might as well add soundproofing, upgrade speaker cables, hey, might as well upgrade the speakers too. Downright hazardous.

Edited by Muser, 23 June 2016 - 03:44 PM.

How do I join the whatsapp group? Who to PM?

Edited by FXT, 23 June 2016 - 03:52 PM.

I like the fact that many of the Sonata's default settings are tweakable, ranging from auto-luck, to one touch lane changer flashes. US-made Legacies can also tweak one touch lane changer settings, but MI claims they tried to change mine (I requested), and couldn't, so I suppose we have different car firmware here. You say your Sonata rear doors can't be opened from the inside once locked. This isn't because the child lock option's enabled?

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As far as I know, no current Subaru model has auto-locking. And as far as I know, MI doesn't offer it as a mod.

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There's too much conflicting information out there about whether or not auto-locking helps or hinders crash (as distinct from theft) safety, with some people saying that the danger of being locked in post-crash is real, while others declare it an old myth. I have yet to find conclusive studies or official recommendations that settle the matter. So, I say it's up to you. Personally, I hate the idea of someone having to break glass windows (glass!) to get to me and my children. No thanks hor. I also find it incredibly inconvenient to have to unlock doors to pick up passengers, especially when the pick-up needs to be chop chop. And lastly, a practical point is that my Legacy's dealer-modded ($150 from MI) auto-fold side mirror mechanism activates whenever all doors are locked - regardless of whether or not you're in the car driving at the time. So I, and any other Subaru (or Nissan; TCI owns both dealerships) owner who has this not-so-smart folding system installed simply can't have auto-lock anymore, even if we suddenly get the option to install it.

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Which brings me to your question about the Legacy. It's still positioned as Subaru's premium sedan, but it's actually one of the cheaper Subarus now in terms of price, and no longer has the best specs in every area. For example, FXT has seat memory, while the Legacy doesn't, even though Subaru offers it as an option from the factory. And I believe the Outback (essentially the SUV version of the Legacy) comes with a lot of accessories (mud guards, etc) that are actually available for the Legacy, but don't come with it. The Legacy still has the most rear legroom among Subarus, and does have the STI/JDM bodykit option, but that's about it.

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Me neither. Always risks introducing creaks and vibration when before there were none. Plus there's the danger of being poisoned... panels open already, so might as well add soundproofing, upgrade speaker cables, hey, might as well upgrade the speakers too. Downright hazardous.

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About 10 years ago, my fren crashed his BMW.� He told me the car very clever.� Immediately after the crash, airbag comes out, engine off, hazard light off and door unlock.� He just open door and walk out of the car.
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About 10 years ago, my fren crashed his BMW.� He told me the car very clever.� Immediately after the crash, airbag comes out, engine off, hazard light off and door unlock.� He just open door and walk out of the car.
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I've heard about this sort of thing with contis, but didn't realise they were around 10 years ago. Shows I'm mountain turtle.

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Never heard about similar features (auto-unlock in crash, etc) in Asian cars though.

European safety door specs: Unless child lock is on, you simply can open the door from the inside of the car regardless whether the door is locked or not. You can try with VW, Audi, BMW and Merc. For BMW and Merc, passengers (not driver)�do NOT even has an option to UNLOCK their doors, but they can still exit anytime they want.

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You can go check it out.

Oh trying to check the FXT price, but cant access the price list from Motor Image Singapore...

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Anyone knows what is the best accesories to get from MI ?

Oh trying to check the FXT price, but cant access the price list from Motor Image Singapore...

Anyone knows what is the best accesories to get from MI ?

If it's not web page problem, then most likely MI in the process of updating the pricelist after the latest COE prices.

And lastly, a practical point is that my Legacy's dealer-modded ($150 from MI) auto-fold side mirror mechanism activates whenever all doors are locked - regardless of whether or not you're in the car driving at the time. So I, and any other Subaru (or Nissan; TCI owns both dealerships) owner who has this not-so-smart folding system installed simply can't have auto-lock anymore, even if we suddenly get the option to install it.
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Interesting ... So during driving and/or inside the car with engine running, when you press the 'lock' button at the side panel of the driver's door, side mirrors will fold ?�

I've heard about this sort of thing with contis, but didn't realise they were around 10 years ago. Shows I'm mountain turtle.

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Never heard about similar features (auto-unlock in crash, etc) in Asian cars though.

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2 cars ago, my 2003 Daihatsu YRV also had this feature. �Doors will auto unlock upon impact detected and airbag deployment, it was stated in the owner's manual, but I did not and did not want to test it out for myself� [laugh]

If it's not web page problem, then most likely MI in the process of updating the pricelist after the latest COE prices.

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That would be my assumption too. Down since last night at least.

Interesting ... So during driving and/or inside the car with engine running, when you press the 'lock' button at the side panel of the driver's door, side mirrors will fold ?�

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Yes, believe it or not. Though when you think about it, it isn't that absurd. Although TCI sells it to its Subaru and Nissan customers and installs it, it's still an aftermarket mod, with non-Subaru parts that weren't designed to talk to the rest of the car. And if it were smarter, it might also cost more. I'm perfectly happy with it.

2 cars ago, my 2003 Daihatsu YRV also had this feature. �Doors will auto unlock upon impact detected and airbag deployment, it was stated in the owner's manual, but I did not and did not want to test it out for myself�

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YRV had it? No kidding. I enjoyed riding in my friend's YRV. Well well, if the YRV had it, there's little excuse for more expensive Asian models not to have it too.

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Yes, believe it or not. Though when you think about it, it isn't that absurd. Although TCI sells it to its Subaru and Nissan customers and installs it, it's still an aftermarket mod, with non-Subaru parts that weren't designed to talk to the rest of the car. And if it were smarter, it might also cost more. I'm perfectly happy with it.

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huh u sure or not? I had the auto fold installed on my FXT and i have no problems with windows folding when i lock the car from inside.

Hahaha...

Now I drive to JB also very wary of my surroundings. Doors always kept locked and when parked had to use additional locking mechanisms.

So I try not to drive over unless necessary...haiz.

Mai Hao Lian la. Car thieves can't be bothered with Subaru in MY..

European safety door specs: Unless child lock is on, you simply can open the door from the inside of the car regardless whether the door is locked or not. You can try with VW, Audi, BMW and Merc. For BMW and Merc, passengers (not driver) do NOT even has an option to UNLOCK their doors, but they can still exit anytime they want.

You can go check it out.

Yay, that is true.
My E90 even the door is lock, passenger just need to pull the door open twice. 1st time to unlock door.

Eh... U meant u tried to lock the doors from inside the car and the engine is off? That's quite a unlikely scenario unless u hiding from ah long...

u should try locking from inside while the engine is on...

Eh, why can't I hide from ah long? After buying car I'm much poorer you know?

Anyway I'm an idiot. I thought I had tested the mirrors by locking while the car was on, but turns out I only checked when car was off and I was still sitting inside. So yes, locking the car while the car is on doesn't auto-fold the mirrors. That only happens when the car is off regardless of whether you're inside the car, or outside. Sorry for getting this info wrong. Paiseh, paiseh.

Eh, why can't I hide from ah long? After buying car I'm much poorer you know?

Anyway I'm an idiot. I thought I had tested the mirrors by locking while the car was on, but turns out I only checked when car was off and I was still sitting inside. So yes, locking the car while the car is on doesn't auto-fold the mirrors. That only happens when the car is off regardless of whether you're inside the car, or outside. Sorry for getting this info wrong. Paiseh, paiseh.

Lol... I'm also very poor after buying the FXT

Tks for sharing! It will be really funny if the mirrors fold when driving and locking the doors

Change topic....

Recently so many vezels on the road, almost finding them an eye sore. Well, today got one black vezel try to tailgate me on bartley road towards kakit bukit flyover. I was already driving around 80-90 on left lane some more. Funny Sia... Dun understand y the vezel trying to be funny with me?! Wat to do? I go to right lane let him pass Lor. I listening to music jin song can't be bother with him. Then he went behind me on right lane... Seriously?!
Well, no choice. I just step a bit more and lost him in instant. Can't be bother to even press the sports mode. Most Drivers out there I think recognise that the fxt is quite a fast SUV and Wun bother to ka jiao us but this helluva vezel a** is really too much. Not to say that fxt Drivers are agressive Drivers la, most of the fxt Drivers I see on the road are quite Uncle one most likely family man.

Change topic....

Recently so many vezels on the road, almost finding them an eye sore. Well, today got one black vezel try to tailgate me on bartley road towards kakit bukit flyover. I was already driving around 80-90 on left lane some more. Funny Sia... Dun understand y the vezel trying to be funny with me?! Wat to do? I go to right lane let him pass Lor. I listening to music jin song can't be bother with him. Then he went behind me on right lane... Seriously?!
Well, no choice. I just step a bit more and lost him in instant. Can't be bother to even press the sports mode. Most Drivers out there I think recognise that the fxt is quite a fast SUV and Wun bother to ka jiao us but this helluva vezel a** is really too much. Not to say that fxt Drivers are agressive Drivers la, most of the fxt Drivers I see on the road are quite Uncle one most likely family man.

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let and let live, don't get yourself into road rage�and spoils your day or worse�still,�lead�you into�dangerous�revengeful behavior.

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for such incidents, there's a usually a trigger.� you may have ticked him off earlier on without realizing it...� if not, maybe you damn yandao, the gal or ah kua wants to poke your butt.

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btw, kaki bukit flyover sometimes got white ants on patrol so drive safely...� I use the route quite often and seen them a few times

let and let live, don't get yourself into road rage�and spoils your day or worse�still,�lead�you into�dangerous�revengeful behavior.

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for such incidents, there's a usually a trigger.� you may have ticked him off earlier on without realizing it...� if not, maybe you damn yandao, the gal or ah kua wants to poke your butt.

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btw, kaki bukit flyover sometimes got white ants on patrol so drive safely...� I use the route quite often and seen them a few times

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Also, the legal speed limit there is actually a very slow 70 km/hr - not many people know that and kenna caught.

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Change topic....

Recently so many vezels on the road, almost finding them an eye sore. Well, today got one black vezel try to tailgate me on bartley road towards kakit bukit flyover. I was already driving around 80-90 on left lane some more. Funny Sia... Dun understand y the vezel trying to be funny with me?! Wat to do? I go to right lane let him pass Lor. I listening to music jin song can't be bother with him. Then he went behind me on right lane... Seriously?!
Well, no choice. I just step a bit more and lost him in instant. Can't be bother to even press the sports mode. Most Drivers out there I think recognise that the fxt is quite a fast SUV and Wun bother to ka jiao us but this helluva vezel a** is really too much. Not to say that fxt Drivers are agressive Drivers la, most of the fxt Drivers I see on the road are quite Uncle one most likely family man.

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I bet that Vezel didn't see that coming... LOL

Anyway even the FNA's sport mode is more than sufficient to distance the Vezel...�

I thought I had tested the mirrors by locking while the car was on, but turns out I only checked when car was off and I was still sitting inside. So yes, locking the car while the car is on doesn't auto-fold the mirrors. That only happens when the car is off regardless of whether you're inside the car, or outside. Sorry for getting this info wrong. Paiseh, paiseh.

I like your self assessment style.

No worry,�in fact it is great that you�share your experience/findings,�to remind us�on something�we�would have normally missed.�

let and let live, don't get yourself into road rage�and spoils your day or worse�still,�lead�you into�dangerous�revengeful behavior.

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for such incidents, there's a usually a trigger.� you may have ticked him off earlier on without realizing it...� if not, maybe you damn yandao, the gal or ah kua wants to poke your butt.

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btw, kaki bukit flyover sometimes got white ants on patrol so drive safely...� I use the route quite often and seen them a few times

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Nah, i wasn't trying to chase him to get revenge. Just wanna siam him and go home safely. It was late night around 12+ am. Whole stretch was empty and i was on left lane. Sometimes, there are weird drivers around which can't be help. Normally, overtaking lane is right lane mah, I also dunno what this fella trying to do??

I bet that Vezel didn't see that coming... LOL

Anyway even the FNA's sport mode is more than sufficient to distance the Vezel...�

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most of the vezels i see drive at leisure speeds. this black one is an oddball. It wasn't the case where he is rushing for time coz out of 3 lanes (i'm on left most), not sure y he had to tail gate. Maybe my music too loud?� [:p]

Change topic....

Recently so many vezels on the road, almost finding them an eye sore. Well, today got one black vezel try to tailgate me on bartley road towards kakit bukit flyover. I was already driving around 80-90 on left lane some more. Funny Sia... Dun understand y the vezel trying to be funny with me?! Wat to do? I go to right lane let him pass Lor. I listening to music jin song can't be bother with him. Then he went behind me on right lane... Seriously?!
Well, no choice. I just step a bit more and lost him in instant. Can't be bother to even press the sports mode. Most Drivers out there I think recognise that the fxt is quite a fast SUV and Wun bother to ka jiao us but this helluva vezel a** is really too much. Not to say that fxt Drivers are agressive Drivers la, most of the fxt Drivers I see on the road are quite Uncle one most likely family man.

You got the rear STI spoiler/lips ? May be�trying to figure out what is that�thingy at�backside lor ...

Any idea of what is the safe temp range of engine coolant before overheating?

FXT has no 'water temperature gauge'.

But it has a 'oil temperature gauge'. I was told the�higher band�operating range (Oil temperature)�can go up to 103-105 deg C.

FXT has no 'water temperature gauge'.

But it has a 'oil temperature gauge'. I was told the�higher band�operating range (Oil temperature)�can go up to 103-105 deg C.

I once hit 105 degress for the oil temp on NSHW but that was constant whacking 180+ for quite some time haha

Nah, i wasn't trying to chase him to get revenge. Just wanna siam him and go home safely. It was late night around 12+ am. Whole stretch was empty and i was on left lane. Sometimes, there are weird drivers around which can't be help. Normally, overtaking lane is right lane mah, I also dunno what this fella trying to do??

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most of the vezels i see drive at leisure speeds. this black one is an oddball. It wasn't the case where he is rushing for time coz out of 3 lanes (i'm on left most), not sure y he had to tail gate. Maybe my music too loud?�

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Haha, may be he's trying to stretch his dollar on petrol by cutting drag behind you!
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not sure y he had to tail gate. Maybe my music too loud?�

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You see lah, haolian blast your 8-speaker Harmon Kardon DSP sound system and upset people. Tsk.

Haha, may be he's trying to stretch his dollar on petrol by cutting drag behind you!
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Almost died laughing after reading that!� :a-happy:

Weird driver... looks like trying to provoke you in to a race?

Haha, may be he's trying to stretch his dollar on petrol by cutting drag behind you!
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we have a winner~� [laugh] � [laugh] � [laugh]

haha. i remember seeing this on an episode of mythbuster.

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Haha, may be he's trying to stretch his dollar on petrol by cutting drag behind you!
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Haha, may be he's trying to stretch his dollar on petrol by cutting drag behind you!
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actually the guy might not only wanna take cover from drag, also from TP, so if speeding kena the front car not the back.

If i have to run in my car on NSHW for the first 1000km, it says not advisable to maintain constant speed. Will it be better to maintain constant speed but vary between 5 and 6 in manual shift mode? Quite irritating to keep changing the speed as not advisable to go too fast during run in......

I once hit 105 degress for the oil temp on NSHW but that was constant whacking 180+ for quite some time haha

Did you feel the air conditioning lost some cooling ? I always suspect that hot air from engine compartment find its way into the cabin, when whacking along the way.
Or you whacked with air conditioning Off ?

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