mycarforum: Liverpool 2014/15 Part 2 : Qtr Century On.... part 53

I am hoping for that too.�

lol knew the depay rumours were rubbish.

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man u just signed him

http://www.football3...phis-Wonderland...

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Why get angry over this..... [cool]

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We have to accept the facts that both the managers are world apart. LVG is known in Europe and who is BR ?

deja vu all over again ....................�

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Mkhitaryan,�Konoplyanka�, Salah.... etc etc�

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No one will come if BR still the manager ... :wacko:

Below is a very good article to read�

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http://www.theanfiel...rendan-rodgers/

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THE LIVERPOOL JOB CAME TOO SOON FOR BRENDAN RODGERS

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THERE�S an outside chance of getting into the top four but realistically it�s a place in the Europa League Liverpool are playing for in what�s left of the season. A lot of fans, half-jokingly in some cases, seriously in others, would quite happily see us lose all three of our remaining fixtures and Aston Villa win the cup so that we didn�t qualify for it. A more considered view is that if we get there we treat it with the same kind of respect Alex Ferguson used to show the League Cup.

If Brendan Rodgers is still manager next season he needs to treat it with the same kind of respect that Liverpool managers used to treat the European Cup. By the sounds of it, he has no intention of doing so.

�If you go back to my first year here when we were in the Europa League,� he said recently, �it was in that competition that we found some of our young players. I gave a lot of them the opportunity, a chance for the likes of Raheem [Sterling] and Andre Wisdom and young Suso, and in the end we finished on the top of that group with 10 points. So yeah, it will be an opportunity for young players I�m sure and a competition that we will want to do well in.�

In other words, if you want to go all glass half empty, Liverpool managed to drop eight points in the 2012-13 competition against sides like Udinese, Young Boys and Anzhi Makhachkala. They did make it through the knockout stages, but went out immediately against Zenit St Petersburg.

By the time Liverpool made their exit from Europe they had already been eliminated from the League Cup (thanks to a 3-1 home defeat to Swansea) and the FA Cup (by Oldham Athletic) and so that was that as far as trophies were concerned. Liverpool ended the league season in seventh place, 28 points off the top and actually nearer on points to relegation, 25 above the drop zone.

What that bad first season did � bad enough to get previous managers the sack � was ensure that Liverpool had fewer games to worry about the following season.

In fact � thanks also to going out of the League Cup in the third round and the FA Cup in the fifth � Liverpool only had 43 competitive games in 2013-14 and finished second in the league. That was a great achievement and gave us all the best time we�ve had in the league in years but it was only worth anything if we built on it; if we used it as a strong foothold on the long climb back even to where we were the day David Moores first sold us to people with no affinity for the club.

Fast forward to 2014-15, this season, and we see Liverpool 10th in the league table at Christmas and out of the Champions League at the first possible opportunity having won just one of our six games back in the big league. Last season�s second place is a distant memory, that feeling that the good days were on their way back long gone.

In October, having just been made an absolute show of on their own ground against Real Madrid, there were calls for Liverpool to bring in a defensive coach. That, Rodgers said, wasn�t the answer.

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�I wouldn�t go down that route,� he said. �The bottom line is our team is based on balance and at times it�s been poor. There is a collective responsibility to defend better and that�s what we have to do.�

Fair enough, he�s the boss, it�s up to him if he brings in specialist coaching staff or solves problems some other way and for those of us on the outside looking in the problems we see may not be the main problems the coach sees.

What was Liverpool�s problem?

�Our problem,� Rodgers said, �and the issue we have which we need to find the solution for is our lack of coaching time.�

This is a problem faced by every manager of every Champions League club without fail. You could argue it was far worse in the days of Paisley and Fagan, who might not have had the group stages to contend with before Christmas but had as many knockout games to negotiate afterwards. This was at a time when FA Cup and League Cup games went to never-ending replays alongside 42-game league seasons. We haven�t even mentioned the frequency with which games could be called off after travelling to play them or the fact that the training ground itself might not be fit to use.

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Even with modern day football, where managers have 25-man squads to call on and training facilities they can use in all weathers, coaching time is an issue if you let it be one. Yet most experienced Champions League managers don�t complain about the tight schedules because it takes away their time on the training field � it�s because it puts pressure on the fitness of their best players.

Certainly in England there�s a reluctance for the Premier League to put its clubs� European interests ahead of keeping Sky and BT happy. Games that could be switched to different days or times are left where the TV companies want them in �the best league in the world�.

Back in October Rodgers wasn�t complaining about the fitness of his players, he was complaining about not being able to spend enough time going through his tactics with them: �Take this week, we played Wednesday night, the players physically recover on Thursday, and that leaves us with only a short period of time on the training field before we�ve got the game on Saturday.�

He was essentially saying that Liverpool were poor and would remain so until somehow he could get more time with his players. �Over the last 18 months,� he added, �we have seen the developments of this team given coaching time. It�s really not rocket science.�

Clearly not, but what kind of excuse is that for a manager at a club like Liverpool?

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At this point it�s worth me pointing out that my �club like Liverpool� might not be the same as yours. Mine is a club that sees itself as one that should at some point be challenging for the title, competing well in Europe and picking up domestic trophies.

I expect there to be some debate over how long we can wait for the �at some point� to take, but I think on the whole it�s what most people expect Liverpool to be doing �at some point�. If not, we can probably go back as far as Graeme Souness and wonder why we sacked all those managers and put so much pressure on so many expensive signings.

We can also wonder why we changed owners. Twice.

Rodgers used the excuse again, to make sure we got the idea: �The introduction of all our new players and having limited coaching time has caused us issues. We need to be better.�

It was depressing. We�d just been humbled on our own ground and made to look so inferior by a team � Real Madrid � who, if we�re being honest with ourselves, probably had a few more gears left in them. We�d splashed out another �120m to get to that level. We spent the second half playing to keep the score down to 3-0 rather than making any effort to�restore a little bit of pride. Then we saw people jump to the defence of the manager and his players by blaming everything on Balotelli and his half-time shirt swap.

Now the manager was complaining King Canute style about a lack of coaching time at a Champions League club.

He was still complaining about it in December, before Liverpool went to Old Trafford for the first half of Manchester United�s double over us.

�This has been a difficult start with new players, less coaching time, young players,� he said. �We are virtually starting again.�

Not to worry though, he told us: �The club has employed someone who, without being arrogant, believes he can get the best out of a senior player or a youth player. He will always maximise talents he has and I think last year proved that. This year a new group of players have come in and we have been unfortunate with injuries.�

And coaching time.

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Liverpool lost. Days later he was on a high, despite the league position, because Liverpool had just beaten Bournemouth in the League Cup. Of course you can only beat what�s in front of you but this was Bournemouth � next season�s Leicester, with all due respect � not Real Madrid or an English top four side.

�At the game [against Bournemouth] the other night, we were trying to find ways and a solution, we are playing 3-4-3. �A British coach playing 3-4-3?�� he said, mocking his imaginary critics. ��He must have fell on to that system, a bit of luck�.�

It wasn�t luck, he said, that helped him overcome a side from a division below. No, he�d been up all night, reading up on tactics: �Not that I might have been awake studying into the early hours of the morning thinking how we can do it. A foreign coach would be a tactical genius. Playing Markovic wide and Sterling as a free No.9, moving with penetration. Playing with a �box midfield� and a back three. I must have just dreamt that and thrown them out there.�

Sounding remarkably like�Sam Allardici, and despite Liverpool�s league position, or their early exit from the Champions League, Rodgers was now talking like everything was fixed: �It has taken us that bit of time to try and recover our way of working, to find the balance with which to produce those type of performances and results, all without much coaching time.�

Coaching time again.

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It�s no coincidence that Liverpool�s mini-revival in the league came at a time when they had no European football to worry about, when Rodgers had more �coaching time�. He mentioned it again on the radio in the New Year, he�s mentioned it repeatedly � in fact, he�s mentioned it so often that he quite clearly sees it as a major issue for him.

The problem is, as a manager of any successful major club, any �superpower� (as he recently described Liverpool) coaching time is a luxury you can�t have.

As Roy Keane said last week, �If I could get more time on the ball I�d still be playing.�

If Rodgers had more coaching time available maybe we�d be winning things. But he won�t get that at Liverpool, unless he does as badly as he did in his first season and limits the number of games we play the following season.

I�d made my mind up on Rodgers before that game against Bournemouth in the League Cup and nothing he has done since has changed my mind, despite me hoping there might be some signs that I was wrong.

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All that studying counted for little when more experienced heads like van Gaal and Wenger sent Liverpool back into another slump that continued with a semi-final where he used so many different tactics it�s a wonder the players didn�t just walk off in disgust.

All of a sudden, the great new 3-4-3 system had found its limitations and once again he didn�t have the coaching time to get it sorted, or the wealth of experience to draw on to find a quick way to fix it.

I think the Liverpool job came too soon for him and that he needed more time learning his trade elsewhere before coming to a club like Liverpool. Somewhere where maybe a European campaign could be treated as a nice little bonus rather than a necessity; where there will usually be loads of coaching time available and a high turnover of playing staff.

That way he could have eventually become a coach who was accustomed to having to work with new players, players who maybe didn�t quite fit perfectly with what he wanted to do. That way he would eventually have been equipped with in-depth knowledge and experience of a whole host of ideas and tactical options that he wouldn�t need to stay up all night researching.

We often hear it said that young players should hold off on a move to a bigger club, that they need to learn their trade somewhere else first before stepping up. It�s been said about Sterling, in a way that kind of glosses over the fact that there are places where he can get more success than he can at Anfield, but points out he still has too much to learn to be ready for the challenge at that level of club.

The same applies to Rodgers, or should have done.

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He wasn�t ready for Liverpool. Pity you can�t send managers out on loan to pick up experience while you use someone with experience for your first team.

My view in December was that FSG should start to look for Liverpool�s next manager � someone with experience of working with very little coaching time due to the success of the club he was at, with a view to bringing him in at the end of the season. Liverpool�s reputation is slipping by the day but there will be good enough candidates out there who are interested.

Rodgers, meanwhile, I said, could stay and try to get his reputation back to where it was at the end of last season, because it would be hard to get a decent replacement mid-season and there wasn�t anybody around we could use as caretaker.

I doubt very much that FSG saw my advice, let alone took it, and of course it�s only my opinion and I don�t for one minute assume I am right. But I think Brendan Rodgers will still be here next season, continuing to learn things he maybe should have learned somewhere else before joining Liverpool.

If he is to stay, and if he is to continue to learn about being a manager at an elite club � which for now Liverpool still are � he needs to learn about managing his squad through a hectic fixture-heavy season.

To do that he needs to manage his squad through the Europa League, to blend one starting line-up into the next without making wholesale changes, yet without overusing any of his individual players. He can�t complain about England using one of his players for two games three days apart if he�s been using the same player the same way himself all season. But he can�t just rest players by treating the Europa League like the League Cup if he is to learn anything that will stand him in good stead for future Champions League campaigns.

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His decision to rest so many of his team for the away fixture in Madrid�(above)�said everything about his inexperience and his absolute inability to compete on more than one front. If he is to get another season he needs to end it having demonstrated that he now understands exactly how to be a force in the league AND in Europe at the same time.

Coaches get time at Liverpool � Rodgers would have been long out of the door by now had he performed this way at any of the clubs above us in the league � but you don�t get coaching time at a club like Liverpool. You certainly wouldn�t get it at Manchester City, a club he has somehow been linked with more than once this season, albeit not by City themselves.

Next season will be the last where Rodgers can get away with being seen as a manager with potential. Sooner or later the potential has to be fulfilled, or it�s time to give somebody else a go.

You might think the old UEFA Cup is worthless (it wasn�t in 2001) and that Thursday nights tucked away on ITV4 are beneath us. Except they aren�t, because that is where we are, that is where FSG, Ayre and Rodgers have taken us. And if you do think that is beneath us, why are you settling for it?

The only way we can prove we�re too good for the Europa League is by waltzing our way through it. If we can�t even do that, at least well into the knockout stages, then it�s definitely time for change. Huge change.

For now, end all this talk of treating the Europa League as second rate and little more than an opportunity to give chances to inexperienced players.

It�s a chance for Rodgers to prove to his critics that he isn�t second rate. It�s an opportunity for very much an inexperienced manager. It certainly isn�t time to accept being in it�as �par�.

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I wouldn't even mind rafa back.

That's saying a lot.

No offence to the RB fans, but just that i believe the 2nd time return to a club never works out well.

Edited by Lala81, 08 May 2015 - 09:01 AM.

I wouldn't even mind rafa back.
That's saying a lot.
No offence to the RB fans, but just that i believe the 2nd time return to a club never works out well.

JM doing better the second time round.

I wouldn't even mind rafa back.

That's saying a lot.

No offence to the RB fans, but just that i believe the 2nd time return to a club never works out well.

i agree with ur last point....

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i may not be a huge RB fan but still like, but we will have harder to beat esp in the 6 pointers.

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i rather Klopp over rafa now. Klopp will bring fresh ideas, give him 3 seasons, he cant fare much worse than right now

yeah, mourinho indded is doing better. i tink due to he already knows the team, n knows wat needs to b done. im sure if we r given a 2nd chance of doing something, we will do it better the 2nd time.

n like someone mentioned, cant get the top scorer, get the 2nd top scorer. but for pool, can get 1st choice, they settled with any tom dick n harry. "ok...we've tried to get the best. we failed. so let's get any other player who wants to join us. 2nd best jus not gd enough."

Edited by Shorty, 08 May 2015 - 10:26 AM.

yeah, mourinho indded is doing better. i tink due to he already knows the team, n knows wat needs to b done. im sure if we r given a 2nd chance of doing something, we will do it better the 2nd time.

n like someone mentioned, cant get the top scorer, get the 2nd top scorer. but for pool, can get 1st choice, they settled with any tom dick n harry. "ok...we've tried to get the best. we failed. so let's get any other player who wants to join us. 2nd best jus not gd enough."

Capello go back Real Madrid twice if I remember correctly. Both time win medal. So 2nd coming doesn't necessary mean is worse.

lol knew the depay rumours were rubbish.

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man u just signed him

http://www.football3...phis-Wonderland...

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it was too good to be true that someone like depay would like to play for BR/ liverpool

Capello go back Real Madrid twice if I remember correctly. Both time win medal. So 2nd coming doesn't necessary mean is worse.

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capello is never a popular figure in RM.

He got kicked out twice both in quick successions even though he won la liga in both years. The way he won was not pretty enough for their fans lol.�

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La liga won:

La Liga�(2):�1996�97,�2006�07

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Time at RM:

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Edited by Lala81, 08 May 2015 - 10:48 AM.

Whatever it is, whoever becomes liverpool manager better understand what the club is about. It's not about what 5th is just about right that kind of bulls**t. This kind of mentality better go and join roy hodgson.

BR have to twist here and there mah. Else next season , how to find excuse/reason for the performance of his team.

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dammit

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now he already has an excuse for not meeting targets next season

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cos he cannot get the players that he wanted, left with 2nd class players...

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wonder who the marque signing would be, maybe someone like lallana or lovren

i agree with ur last point....

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i may not be a huge RB fan but still like, but we will have harder to beat esp in the 6 pointers.

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i rather Klopp over rafa now. Klopp will bring fresh ideas, give him 3 seasons, he cant fare much worse than right now

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i think we have to resign to the reality that BR will still be in charge until next year Aug

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dammit

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now he already has an excuse for not meeting targets next season

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cos he cannot get the players that he wanted, left with 2nd class players...

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wonder who the marque signing would be, maybe someone like lallana or lovren

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i think we have to resign to the reality that BR will still be in charge until next year Aug

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Danny ings LOL.�

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Danny ings LOL.�

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[dizzy] � [dizzy] � [furious]

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at least i will have an excuse not to splash money to watch liverpool on tv next season

JM doing better the second time round.

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JM is a master of PR/human pyschology. I don't think anyone in the managerial world has ever seen his like before.

The way he does it is sublime and even manipulative.

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RB frankly won't be able to handle FSG anywhere close to the level of JM.

If RB comes back, i don't think he'll stay long actually. He's a nice guy but he obviously has some social communication problems.

Even his players don't relate well to him. Like that how to saka to bosses� [laugh] � [laugh]

benitez is the top who will do his job well, but wont impress the bosses. there's no air to him, which makes him a bit boring. mourinho also does his job well, but at the same time pisses of everyone else not related to the club. this makes him adorable to the club bosses n fans. hate to love n love to hate.

benitez is the top who will do his job well, but wont impress the bosses. there's no air to him, which makes him a bit boring. mourinho also does his job well, but at the same time pisses of everyone else not related to the club. this makes him adorable to the club bosses n fans. hate to love n love to hate.

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Someone on f365 mailbox described mourinho as the "ultimate motivator of idiots (ie footballers)"

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The only difference is how JM does it lol� [grin]

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it was too good to be true that someone like depay would like to play for BR/ liverpool

was he really that good? honestly i dunno

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JM is a master of PR/human pyschology. I don't think anyone in the managerial world has ever seen his like before.

The way he does it is sublime and even manipulative.

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RB frankly won't be able to handle FSG anywhere close to the level of JM.

If RB comes back, i don't think he'll stay long actually. He's a nice guy but he obviously has some social communication problems.

Even his players don't relate well to him. Like that how to saka to bosses� �

cant compare.... JM has tons of $$, they can go in for anyone they want, success rate above 60% as long as Barca, RM not involved.

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Give JM liverpool 2005, i am sure he cant win UCL. but give him 2007 to 2009 => he might have won the 2007 UCL and the BPL in 08/09

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i dun like JM, but i admire his pragmatic approach. we live in a objective driven society, and JM and probably Rafa will prob meet above 50% of the objectives.�

I think liverpool not enough foreign talents. Think we have the highest number of English players starting each match haha.

was he really that good? honestly i dunno

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I dunno. I'm naturally dubious of anyone from the dutch leagues.�

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JM is a master of PR/human pyschology. I don't think anyone in the managerial world has ever seen his like before.
The way he does it is sublime and even manipulative.
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RB frankly won't be able to handle FSG anywhere close to the level of JM.
If RB comes back, i don't think he'll stay long actually. He's a nice guy but he obviously has some social communication problems.
Even his players don't relate well to him. Like that how to saka to bosses� �

No leh Liverpool fans like him except for small faction of fans. So I don't know why u say pr not good. His relationship with owner is another matter thought. JM have all his star player turn on him a few time so I don't see how special he is.

maybe liverwho should send their talent scouts to watch MSL in action

No leh Liverpool fans like him except for small faction of fans. So I don't know why u say pr not good. His relationship with owner is another matter thought. JM have all his star player turn on him a few time so I don't see how special he is.

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Ok lah. I'm just saying that i won't mind Rafa back.

Haha ... well i seriously doubt FSG will consider lah.

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Ok lah. I'm just saying that i won't mind Rafa back.
Haha ... well i seriously doubt FSG will consider lah.

His reputation with owner not good. Especially if fsg is interested in earning money instead of winning title. Then I doubt they want Rafa.

Its ok if we din sign Depay

especially if the player din want to come in the first place

but i do think that we should join the bidding... if we are interested in him

at least we can bring up the transfer fees

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wats important is: they better already identify and already working hard on the alternative

Anyone looking forward to Chelsea vs Pool game this Sunday?

Who can forget abt the famous slip last year that we lost our league hope ....

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This time round, Chelsea is league champion; while we are in no-mans land... its a reversal from last year ....

Anyone looking forward to Chelsea vs Pool game this Sunday?

Who can forget abt the famous slip last year that we lost our league hope ....

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This time round, Chelsea is league champion; while we are in no-mans land... its a reversal from last year ....

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I'd rather we lose. Why?

Can u imagine smug BR saying that "see see? we aren't far from the champions ... " ...

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I'd rather we lose. Why?

Can u imagine smug BR saying that "see see? we aren't far from the champions ... " ...

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but if we win

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there is an outside chance for top 4

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anyway, i might not catch the game.. dont have a good feeling about it

So, we are in a dilemma...

Win, and we have an outside chance for the 4th spot... will we?

Lose, and BR is nearer to the death or will he?

Anyone looking forward to Chelsea vs Pool game this Sunday?
Who can forget abt the famous slip last year that we lost our league hope ....
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This time round, Chelsea is league champion; while we are in no-mans land... its a reversal from last year ....

I still hope we win. Irregardless if end up saving br job. Because I support Liverpool.

So, we are in a dilemma...

Win, and we have an outside chance for the 4th spot... will we?

Lose, and BR is nearer to the death or will he?

win, we are no nearer a top 4 spot with one game less ;p

lose, the best man will proclaim he is the best of best man for the job.

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the owners have not sacked him, likey he will be still be manager.

http://www.thisisanf...-memphis-depay/

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and now we were never interested because we have wingers. washing dirty linen in public again.

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And he knows those players are wingers, why are they always deployed as wingbacks?

season over for me, i going hols! yipee!

i hope pool win. jus so we can overtake man u. bcos i tink more or less the owners should hv planned on wat they want for next season.�

win, we are no nearer a top 4 spot with one game less ;p
lose, the best man will proclaim he is the best of best man for the job.
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the owners have not sacked him, likey he will be still be manager.

http://www.thisisanf...-memphis-depay/
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and now we were never interested because we have wingers. washing dirty linen in public again.
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And he knows those players are wingers, why are they always deployed as wingbacks?

season over for me, i going hols! yipee!

You hit the nail on the head!

I have an exclusive secret phone conversation between the best man for the job and depay and the reason why Liverpool didn't sign him:

"Hello depay, this is the best man for the job here speaking"

"Oh hi Jose"

"Erm... No"

"Pep?"

"Nope"

"Carlos?"

"No again"

"Louis?"

"Wrong"

"Rafa?"

Sound agitated, "Definitely no!"

"Arsene?"

"No, no. I am.."

"Wait I know already, Ronald!"

"FU you don't know who am I!? I am the best man for job!" And he slammed down the phone.

Few days later while looking at the contract man utd offer, depay's agent told him something:

"There is another top English club wanted to sign you. Did the manager call you?"

"Not sure about that. Though there is one guy who keep saying he is the best man for the job called me"

"Ic. Anyway this top English club's manager have great plans for you. You will have lots of playing time there"

"Great! Finally there are somemore top clubs appreciate my talent"

"Yes. According to this manager, you will be playing at wingback. He heard that Dutch players are total footballers, can play anywhere. So he wanted you to defend, attack and score goals from the flank"

"Wtf! Who is this manager so naive and stupid, really believe that rinus michels Johan cruyff myth"

"He is the Liverpool manager"

Dumb founded depay said " quick give me that man utd contract. Where do I sign?"

"But you haven't vet through the details yet. Man utd are offering 2pounds per week only"

"I don't care. At least I am signing for Louis van Gaal. Who the hell is Liverpool manager?!"

Edited by Bismarck, 09 May 2015 - 01:25 AM.

You hit the nail on the head!

I have an exclusive secret phone conversation between the best man for the job and depay and the reason why Liverpool didn't sign him:

"Hello depay, this is the best man for the job here speaking"

"Oh hi Jose"

"Erm... No"

"Pep?"

"Nope"

"Carlos?"

"No again"

"Louis?"

"Wrong"

"Rafa?"

Sound agitated, "Definitely no!"

"Arsene?"

"No, no. I am.."

"Wait I know already, Ronald!"

"FU you don't know who am I!? I am the best man for job!" And he slammed down the phone.

Few days later while looking at the contract man utd offer, depay's agent told him something:

"There is another top English club wanted to sign you. Did the manager call you?"

"Not sure about that. Though there is one guy who keep saying he is the best man for the job called me"

"Ic. Anyway this top English club's manager have great plans for you. You will have lots of playing time there"

"Great! Finally there are somemore top clubs appreciate my talent"

"Yes. According to this manager, you will be playing at wingback. He heard that Dutch players are total footballers, can play anywhere. So he wanted you to defend, attack and score goals from the flank"

"Wtf! Who is this manager so naive and stupid, really believe that rinus michels Johan cruyff myth"

"He is the Liverpool manager"

Dumb founded depay said " quick give me that man utd contract. Where do I sign?"

"But you haven't vet through the details yet. Man utd are offering 2pounds per week only"

"I don't care. At least I am signing for Louis van Gaal. Who the hell is Liverpool manager?!"

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This is a nice one :)

Gave me some laughter on a cool Saturday morning :))

i hope pool win. jus so we can overtake man u. bcos i tink more or less the owners should hv planned on wat they want for next season.�

Do you think BR dare to win against his teacher on the day they will be parading the cup. Hmm I go for a low scoring draw the very best if BR do has some sort of dignity remain. Anyway the likely (99%) we will lose this match.

Do you think BR dare to win against his teacher on the day they will be parading the cup. Hmm I go for a low scoring draw the very best if BR do has some sort of dignity remain. Anyway the likely (99%) we will lose this match.

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JM will most likely play his young players, and if we can't even beat them then� :wacko:

Only after the battle was won then his other side will surface. Hopefully his apprentice will become gd and prove me wrong.

http://www.espnfc.co...adrid-and-inter

Cheeky JM :"...Who knows I play against Steven as a Liverpool manager someday..."

Anyone looking forward to Chelsea vs Pool game this Sunday?

Who can forget abt the famous slip last year that we lost our league hope ....

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This time round, Chelsea is league champion; while we are in no-mans land... its a reversal from last year ....

man u and pool fan look forward to this lol�

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man u on 3 game losing streak, 2 tough games coming,

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chel already won �. will they throw in reseve to gain experience???? imagine liv win, and palace draw against man u�

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next game man u vs asn�

Do you think BR dare to win against his teacher on the day they will be parading the cup. Hmm I go for a low scoring draw the very best if BR do has some sort of dignity remain. Anyway the likely (99%) we will lose this match.

The next two matches cheslki probably will play their young kids. This match I strongly doubt so. Lose the match and crown champion at the same times. In fact I look forwarbto cheslki going all out. No pressure on the players and the manager. So we might see an all Out fluent attack by cheslki.
As Liverpool fan what I want to see is BR learn how to play park bus and frustrate so call top team. This season so often we see failed when playing top team when points are more of priority.

the game vs chelsea will be a kelong game for both clubs to make money..

The next two matches cheslki probably will play their young kids. This match I strongly doubt so. Lose the match and crown champion at the same times. In fact I look forwarbto cheslki going all out. No pressure on the players and the manager. So we might see an all Out fluent attack by cheslki.
As Liverpool fan what I want to see is BR learn how to play park bus and frustrate so call top team. This season so often we see failed when playing top team when points are more of priority.

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BR don't believe in defense, he do not how to park bus one lah...

The next two matches cheslki probably will play their young kids. This match I strongly doubt so. Lose the match and crown champion at the same times. In fact I look forwarbto cheslki going all out. No pressure on the players and the manager. So we might see an all Out fluent attack by cheslki.
As Liverpool fan what I want to see is BR learn how to play park bus and frustrate so call top team. This season so often we see failed when playing top team when points are more of priority.

BR park bus? Hahaha, joke of the season !

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BR don't believe in defense, he do not how to park bus one lah...

Ya.... BR only know one tactic... And park bus is not one of them

And with Man U win last night, Pool can forgo abt 4th spot liao ...

As long as they give a good fight against Chelsea... It will be good enough for me...
Just don't go Stamford Bridge and let the atmosphere overrun them ...

http://www.football3...-A-Better-Boss-

Nice words by JM on uncle

Who is watching tonight? Losing tonight will mean confirm out of CL. Wonder what will the formation be? 3-4-3? 4-3-3? 3-1-2-3-1? 3-2-1-2-1-1? [laugh]

Who is watching tonight? Losing tonight will mean confirm out of CL. Wonder what will the formation be? 3-4-3? 4-3-3? 3-1-2-3-1? 3-2-1-2-1-1?

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Chelsea vs Pool:

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2-0: ktglfc

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First time, I predict a loss for Pool.... sian ....

Who is watching tonight? Losing tonight will mean confirm out of CL. Wonder what will the formation be? 3-4-3? 4-3-3? 3-1-2-3-1? 3-2-1-2-1-1?

BR stuck in a sure loss situation.

If tonight pool win, chelsea give chance since champ liao.
If loss, haiz BR forever JM apprentice not in their class.

I predict che 2 - 0 pool

In my heart i hope che 0 - 3 pool

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I expect a boring game. Wid chelsea nothing to play, they will likely play not to lose, instead of playing to win. So pool will hv lots of the ball but nothing to show for. Chelsea will score fm the counter. 2-0 for me too.

The next two matches cheslki probably will play their young kids. This match I strongly doubt so. Lose the match and crown champion at the same times. In fact I look forwarbto cheslki going all out. No pressure on the players and the manager. So we might see an all Out fluent attack by cheslki.
As Liverpool fan what I want to see is BR learn how to play park bus and frustrate so call top team. This season so often we see failed when playing top team when points are more of priority.

Last year this time, Pool lost 2-0. But then, Pool was flying high and expected to maul Chelsea into pieces. Never mind we lost 2-0 at the match cos Pool was the team playing with confident and some arrogance while Chelsea parked the bus.

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This time, Pool is like a wounded cat waiting to be mauled at the mercy of Chelsea.�

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What a fate!�

N y the hell is gerrard n johnson stil in starting 11??? Don we hv Proper LB in moreno? or at least play emre as DM n johnson as RB. Put gerrard on the bench. Y the hell is he stil selecting players who r confirmed leaving?!?!

Liverpool

Simon Mignolet; Glen Johnson, Dejan Lovren, Martin Skrtel, Emre Can; Steven Gerrard, Jordan Henderson, Adam Lallana; Raheem Sterling, Rickie Lambert, Philippe Coutinho

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Chelsea playing 2 youngers. The already won and not particularly bothered about this game.�

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N we already nothing to win...so not psrticularly bothered as well. Hehe

N y the hell is gerrard n johnson stil in starting 11??? Don we hv Proper LB in moreno? or at least play emre as DM n johnson as RB. Put gerrard on the bench. Y the hell is he stil selecting players who r confirmed leaving?!?!

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Search me.

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Lucas shd be fit, and why don't BR play him? Lucas has better points per game record.

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Lucas shd be fit, and why don't BR play him? Lucas has better points per game record.

BR must have not liked so many players ....
He is the best manager... what can we say ...

I was thinking abt the players that were linked to our team before but somehow our appeal was not strong or we were not very keen in sewing up the deal astutely; costa, aguero, ronaldo, remy...

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Our traditions and past achievements do not count anything now...the club has to be bolder to stem our ambitions to be serious contenders in every competition we compete in and lure these players with better wage structures (not crippling our finances though), a mgr who can lure them with realistic footballing style etc.

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BR's selection of SG and GJ for this game puzzles me...He is really a Elephant Face.

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All the best to the lads for the game later. Even if we do not get ucl next season, we need to end the season strongly...

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Might be a sign of done and over with current season. Using this to tell current players who is wanted and who is not by the selecttion.

So can i go to sleep now?

ZZzzzz... game over for BR.

Some players like Johnson and sterling have left their brains at home.

BR park bus? Hahaha, joke of the season !

Why not? Behind goal post this brilliant guy he'll do.

N y the hell is gerrard n johnson stil in starting 11??? Don we hv Proper LB in moreno? or at least play emre as DM n johnson as RB. Put gerrard on the bench. Y the hell is he stil selecting players who r confirmed leaving?!?!

Gibe face mah . . . . Dare not offend lao da.

Totally being outclassed

How can half-baked disciple win the master when master only teach him to talk trash and charm media?

Fabregas willian and hazard

Old man SG scored!!!

Did fabregas borrowed the mask from Cech?

Uncle! But undeserved

Old man has rise to the occasion..... Many thought he can't anymore....

Please replace sterling with ibe.

Will SG atone his last year mistake?

Let's wait for 2nd half to know :)

Did fabregas borrowed the mask from Cech?

Petr Cech wore a head protector not a mask la,..... ��

1-1

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Pool played reasonably alright

sterling was right to reject the 100kpw contract. total undeserving of that amount at this moment. Current form think his current contract was just about right.

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Pool played reasonably alright

They did alright but got a feeling they like playing with 10 men. Probably due to no striker presence.

Creditable draw :)
If only we can play like that throughout the season...

Oh well....

More or less confirm, goodbye Champions League, hello Europa.....

sterling was right to reject the 100kpw contract. total undeserving of that amount at this moment. Current form think his current contract was just about right.

Yes, underserving for a mediocre player.

His running at defenders has become predictable. Real Madrid pleasecone and offer $20 million pounds for him.

Petr Cech wore a head protector not a mask la,..... ��

Hmm...I remembered he did wear a mask with head protector in the early stage of come back. Maybe I am wrong.

We were rubbish in the first half.
Admittedly we were better in the 2nd half but other than one countinho effort, none were serious threats.
I could also sense that Chelsea just took their foot off the pedal in the 2nd half. They were much better in the first half.

How many times have we started out completely rubbish and take one entire half to fix the changes???

Lambert is at best a 4th choice striker. There was a very good henderson pass that would have been a chance at goal if Ds was around. But he's just too slow to make the run in between the DCs though he tried

Hmm...I remembered he did wear a mask with head protector in the early stage of come back. Maybe I am wrong.

Now you have got me confused, perhaps he did.....sign of me getting old [laugh]

Now you have got me confused, perhaps he did.....sign of me getting old

YAWN . . . what a day.

YAWN . . . what a day.

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Time to take a back seat and rest away from EPL for the next 3 months...

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Really can't feel the excitement in this off-season period.... cos I don't think we can attract any top talents when we are not in UCL ....

Sianzzzz ....

YAWN . . . what a day.

What a season, I meant.

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Really can't feel the excitement in this off-season period.... cos I don't think we can attract any top talents when we are not in UCL ....

Sianzzzz ....

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In which case next season will also be a similar write off....

Hopefully Liverpool can get to sign some good players to strengthen their squad. Wonder how many current players will be let go? 3-4?

Hopefully Liverpool can get to sign some good players to strengthen their squad. Wonder how many current players will be let go? 3-4?

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In which case next season will also be a similar write off....

With Europa mean lesser training time. Yes u are right.

nowadays, it's either UCL or nothing. europa looks like a waste of timestar players wont join bcos u r in europa. unless the scouts r good, then they can use the europa to scout gd players. im sure there r good players in the teams participating in europa. for now, thtat's the highest grade players pool can attract.

Monk managing Swansea very well. Ditto for Koeman at Soton. With much smaller transfer budget + less talk� [:)]

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Monk managing Swansea very well. Ditto for Koeman at Soton. With much smaller transfer budget + less talk�
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The majority of us here is pushing for his head, I wonder what is the situation like over in UK�

They want roger out Rafa in??

We were rubbish in the first half.
Admittedly we were better in the 2nd half but other than one countinho effort, none were serious threats.
I could also sense that Chelsea just took their foot off the pedal in the 2nd half. They were much better in the first half.

How many times have we started out completely rubbish and take one entire half to fix the changes???

Lambert is at best a 4th choice striker. There was a very good henderson pass that would have been a chance at goal if Ds was around. But he's just too slow to make the run in between the DCs though he tried

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oh yeah, can see the glare which JH gave when lambert couldnt reach the ball

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then Lambert stared back like saying 'wtf do u expect from me?'

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Henderson better be careful with his attitude, don't be like gerrard expect everyone around to be as good as him and when passes don't work out then it's the other players' fault. My favourite player king Kenny never give this kind of attitude to his own team mates.

Henderson better be careful with his attitude, don't be like gerrard expect everyone around to be as good as him and when passes don't work out then it's the other players' fault. My favourite player king Kenny never give this kind of attitude to his own team mates.

able to pass base on team mate strenght is a skill also. I think db7 surprising. Have that skill.

This best man for the job, really thick skin, keep on getting his media friends to spin stories putting blame on transfer committee and anyone else except his. He is really the most disgraceful Liverpool manager I have ever known. Totally never his responsibility, never his fault.

http://www.liverpool...-manquillo.html

Rubbish... why loan him if you think he cant offer much going forward... no matter what, the RB in 4-4-2 or the RWB in 3-5-2 is expected to surge forward to provide the width....

And why keep him if your intention is to push the full backs high up anyway?

http://www.liverpool...-manquillo.html

Rubbish... why loan him if you think he cant offer much going forward... no matter what, the RB in 4-4-2 or the RWB in 3-5-2 is expected to surge forward to provide the width....

And why keep him if your intention is to push the full backs high up anyway?

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2 year loan somemore�

tia gong RS is putting up his house for sale and looking at London ppty ....

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http://www.liverpool...-manquillo.html

Rubbish... why loan him if you think he cant offer much going forward... no matter what, the RB in 4-4-2 or the RWB in 3-5-2 is expected to surge forward to provide the width....

And why keep him if your intention is to push the full backs high up anyway?

i tot he was doing not bad b4 being dropped. for me, i jus don get why he would rather put a player out of position, than to select a natural player at that position. it happened not only at RB, but at LB also. dropping moreno, who is better than manquillo, in favour of old johnson at LB, n putting emre, a midfielder by trade, at RB. how does that even makes sense??!!

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all along, everything has been the players fault. in this case, he is saying that it's manquillo's fault for not being able to play to his system. which in the 1st place shouldnt b the system if he had played to the players' strengths.

i tot he was doing not bad b4 being dropped. for me, i jus don get why he would rather put a player out of position, than to select a natural player at that position. it happened not only at RB, but at LB also. dropping moreno, who is better than manquillo, in favour of old johnson at LB, n putting emre, a midfielder by trade, at RB. how does that even makes sense??!!
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all along, everything has been the players fault. in this case, he is saying that it's manquillo's fault for not being able to play to his system. which in the 1st place shouldnt b the system if he had played to the players' strengths.

Manager is a self proclaim tactical genius. He must be right. The players are not good enough to fit his philosophy... Oppps the players were sign under his tenure!

Sq pegs in round holes is not new.. Rafa did it.. Mou did it, alex ferguson n wenger did it. Nladdy problem is the others who put sq pegs in round holes, manage to get 6-7/10 for doing a solid if not spectacular job. But this genius manage to get them playing at 3/10, and the best thing make the team play at 3/10 as well

Manager is a self proclaim tactical genius. He must be right. The players are not good enough to fit his philosophy... Oppps the players were sign under his tenure!

Sq pegs in round holes is not new.. Rafa did it.. Mou did it, alex ferguson n wenger did it. Nladdy problem is the others who put sq pegs in round holes, manage to get 6-7/10 for doing a solid if not spectacular job. But this genius manage to get them playing at 3/10, and the best thing make the team play at 3/10 as well

yes u r rite.... the team Is playing towards down slide, or shld I say they r already on the down slide... I was puzzled y on earth will he wan to play GJ on LB... I seriously dun think tat guy is gd enuff anymore... cant defend, cant beat players wif his dribble n cant cross.... I rather Moreno to play as he's a natural player to dis position... like one of the bros said earlier, y does he put on players who r going to leave like stevie... other than the goal, he din offer much... can tell he's v disappointed wif dis team as he even din bother to celebrate his goal like how he used to... I would rather put on balo for the rest of the season to play as I feel he has a better chance to get a goal than lambert?? 1st can build his confident infront of goals, 2nd if wanna sell, can let other clubs take a look at him(provided he can score or improve his overall play? but cum to thnk of it, its not his fault tat he cant score for pool, its the tactics used by the manager not suitable for him, so blame BR)

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all n all, I believe BR has alr lost the dressing room... I believe there r more n more players who r unhappy wif him.... can c the whole team got no mood or spirit to play for him.... next season we got nothing to look forward to again, hopefully it will oso b BR's last as I doubt FSG is going to axe him dis round... another thing is I really doubt we will get any players to get us to our feet next season too

Martin Montoya linked to us. Is he good? Hope he don't end up as left back if he does come haha.

Martin Montoya linked to us. Is he good? Hope he don't end up as left back if he does come haha.

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maybe he will become central midfielder

Now even Tevez linked to us. Totally unbelievable for me...I think now we can only get those rejects.

I dun think BR is so bad til not able to spot under performing players. Could it be the clause in players' contract that state minimum number of games they have to play or else have to pay compe nsation? Imo, modern football management is more complex now.

pool's problem didn't happen overnight.

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the previous season it just happened that suarez's form was red hot. and his goals papered over the flaws in defence and midfield.

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without him, the cracks are alot more obvious.

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pool doesn't need a tune up. they need a complete overhaul of the squad to make a title challenge

I dun think BR is so bad til not able to spot under performing players. Could it be the clause in players' contract that state minimum number of games they have to play or else have to pay compe nsation? Imo, modern football management is more complex now.

No one will sign this sort of contract one.

Basically it's proven he is biase. From the way he handle skirtel and agger in the past u can tell.

pool's problem didn't happen overnight.
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the previous season it just happened that suarez's form was red hot. and his goals papered over the flaws in defence and midfield.
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without him, the cracks are alot more obvious.
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pool doesn't need a tune up. they need a complete overhaul of the squad to make a title challenge

Or just a new manager that know how to use the player available instead of keep complaining don't have this don't have that.

pool's problem didn't happen overnight.
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the previous season it just happened that suarez's form was red hot. and his goals papered over the flaws in defence and midfield.
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without him, the cracks are alot more obvious.
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pool doesn't need a tune up. they need a complete overhaul of the squad to make a title challenge

Or just a new manager that know how to use the player available instead of keep complaining don't have this don't have that.

Just for discussion - what do you guys think of Ancelotti if he were to become available ? Klopp is ideal but I doubt he'll want to join us.

pool's problem didn't happen overnight.

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the previous season it just happened that suarez's form was red hot. and his goals papered over the flaws in defence and midfield.

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without him, the cracks are alot more obvious.

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pool doesn't need a tune up. they need a complete overhaul of the squad to make a title challenge

ur point is wat most fans would hv agreed on n very clear for all to see. but, he sees it as his own brilliance that the team did so well last season. suarez was out of this world, but instead of him who had his head n ego swelled, it was rodgers. it also made him blind to the fact that other parts of the team was not as gd as they seem.

Just for discussion - what do you guys think of Ancelotti if he were to become available ? Klopp is ideal but I doubt he'll want to join us.

Liverpool have no big $$ to spend... that is why BR is the best man for the job now

Just for discussion - what do you guys think of Ancelotti if he were to become available ? Klopp is ideal but I doubt he'll want to join us.

I like ancelotti. He is a coach who knows how to set up his team according to the players available to him. Although his formation is always 4-4-2, he has different variations of 4-4-2 depending on the players he has. Proven record. Don't talk nonsense, as in talk down on other teams or his own players, a proper ex player and coach. And he learn from mistakes too.

Ancelotti is good. We need a manager with vast experience and had tasted winning before. More importantly good players are willing to join this type of manager.

Edited by Extinguisher, 14 May 2015 - 10:54 AM.

Just for discussion - what do you guys think of Ancelotti if he were to become available ? Klopp is ideal but I doubt he'll want to join us.

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Last time he wanted Pool job but he was contracted to�Chelsea till end of season ....

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He is just as good as Klopp or better�... [bounce2]

Edited by Picnic06, 14 May 2015 - 03:06 PM.

I wonder if the media in uk is so lazy or the brain of the best man for the job is so small and narrow, according to rumour transfer news Liverpool has been linked with Jose Fonte, ex partner in defence of Lorven in Southampton.

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And before that keep on linking with Ashley Williams. Not saying that these are not good players but I find that the best man for the job really cannot be trusted with buying players. He really think signing players he thinks he knew is the solution for everything. And time needed to coach the team. We are Liverpool. If we are successful playing 2 matches per week is very common. If the best man for the job cant set up the team in short period of time and change tactics effectively then better sack him asap before more conflict of interest start to get in between the managers, the players he wants or dont want and the formation and way of playing.�

I wonder if the media in uk is so lazy or the brain of the best man for the job is so small and narrow, according to rumour transfer news Liverpool has been linked with Jose Fonte, ex partner in defence of Lorven in Southampton.
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And before that keep on linking with Ashley Williams. Not saying that these are not good players but I find that the best man for the job really cannot be trusted with buying players. He really think signing players he thinks he knew is the solution for everything. And time needed to coach the team. We are Liverpool. If we are successful playing 2 matches per week is very common. If the best man for the job cant set up the team in short period of time and change tactics effectively then better sack him asap before more conflict of interest start to get in between the managers, the players he wants or dont want and the formation and way of playing.�

Usually he only buy player from those mid table team. So I think the rumors likely true.

3rd year he do that mean that he think he is very good can turn average player into great player. *shake head*

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Last time he wanted Pool job but he was contracted to�Chelsea till end of season ....
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He is just as good as Klopp or better�...

He is better in the sense he had manage a few club with good result. So we know for sure he got it in him.

Kloop might be a one club wonder if u understand what I mean.

List of players bought by the best man for the job

http://www.lfchistor.../ByManager/25-1

List of players bought by the best man for the job

http://www.lfchistor.../ByManager/25-1

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interesting that BR bought a total of $211m pounds while wenger bought a total of $123 pounds in the same time frame

Ancelotti might be too good for us I'm afraid. I don't even dare think of it.

Ancelotti might be too good for us I'm afraid. I don't even dare think of it.

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All media speculations lah ... nothing much to write for Pool, so have to write this lor

Better don't harbor too much hope....

Let nature takes its own course ...

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