mycarforum: 2015 Forester 2.0 part 25

http://www.onemotori...Cost_Update.pdf

See the Jan 2016 registered car info, for every FXT (with COE) sold, MI earns $21,699.
For every FNA sold, MI earns $23,526.

So profit margin for FNA is higher than FXT.

FXT buyers "benefit" or "lose less" compared to FNA buyers.

NA cost so cheap. Cheaper then xv???

Forester.. most of the stuff riding on "not the latest' technology. just a repackaging.. previous model is was mainly a cosmetic facelift. Unlike the XV and the outback. Maybe that explains..

http://www.onemotori...Cost_Update.pdf

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See the Jan 2016 registered car info, for every FXT (with COE) sold, MI earns $21,699.

For every FNA sold, MI earns $23,526.

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So profit margin for FNA is higher than FXT.

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FXT buyers "benefit" or "lose less" compared to FNA buyers.

The selling price is listed price or net price after discounts? � I believe the $21k-$23k earnings still have not factor in the following: -

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fix costs for the showrooom�
cars for the test driving
commission for SE
non-commission staff
other overheads

The selling price is listed price or net price after discounts? I believe the $21k-$23k earnings still have not factor in the following: -
fix costs for the showrooom
cars for the test driving
commission for SE
non-commission staff
other overheads

Not included regardless of MI or Toyota or watver.

So i can cfm say will get car even coe go up liao...

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The selling price is listed price or net price after discounts? � I believe the $21k-$23k earnings still have not factor in the following: -

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fix costs for the showrooom�

cars for the test driving

commission for SE

non-commission staff

other overheads

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I highlight this not to compare the break even or absolute profit after taking into consideration all the cost.

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Different AD also have their own cost. It is up to them to determine their product peg level and associated cost to maintain that image.

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As the previous formner said, other ADs also have their overheads.

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Just focus on the base cost of the car and how much they are selling and compare to other ADs selling the competing models.

I highlight this not to compare the break even or absolute profit after taking into consideration all the cost.

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Different AD also have their own cost. It is up to them to determine their product peg level and associated cost to maintain that image.

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As the previous formner said, other ADs also have their overheads.

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Just focus on the base cost of the car and how much they are selling and compare to other ADs selling the competing models.

Noted but we can't only focus on base cost alone also e.g Ford Kuga Trend (quoted selling price in One Motoring is $143,999 but actual selling price around $121k i.e. $23k discount) vs Subaru Forester XT�(quoted selling price in One Motoring is $122.8K but actual selling price around $119.8k i.e. $3k discount). �The discounts given from the quoted selling prices are vastly different from AD to AD.

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From the above example, you can see that we're not comparing apple with apple!

Noted but we can't only focus on base cost alone also e.g Ford Kuga Trend (quoted selling price in One Motoring is $143,999 but actual selling price around $121k i.e. $23k discount) vs Subaru Forester XT�(quoted selling price in One Motoring is $122.8K but actual selling price around $119.8k i.e. $3k discount). �The discounts given from the quoted selling prices are vastly different from AD to AD.

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From the above example, you can see that we're not comparing apple with apple!

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Ford way of discount is basically conti AD style of discount. Look at PML/C&C.

Subaru discounts of 3K is standard across Jap/Korean.

We are not expecting to compare Granny Smith Apples to Granny Smith Apples, at the very least we try to compare green apple to green apple.

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Anyway main point being, FXT is slightly less profitable than FNA for each unit sold. Is it more worth it? up to you to decide.

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The selling price is listed price or net price after discounts? � I believe the $21k-$23k earnings still have not factor in the following: -

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fix costs for the showrooom�

cars for the test driving

commission for SE

non-commission staff

other overheads

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Even if gross profits, 5 years ago gross profits for most Japanese 2 litre and above makes averaged around 10k. In US/UK they will need to sell 5-6 cars to make the same gross profit that the local AD makes for 1 car.

Ford way of discount is basically conti AD style of discount. Look at PML/C&C.

Subaru discounts of 3K is standard across Jap/Korean.

We are not expecting to compare Granny Smith Apples to Granny Smith Apples, at the very least we try to compare green apple to green apple.

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Anyway main point being, FXT is slightly less profitable than FNA for each unit sold. Is it more worth it? up to you to decide.

I never been to any Kim Chi showroom but went to almost all Jap brands. �I think it's safe to say that 3k discount is not standard across Jap brands e.g. I was given 11k discount from the listed price when I went to Toyota

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Anyway, �the criteria when I choosing a car are my expectation of its performance, smooth & comfortable ride, space, safety, exterior, interior etc. as well as price that I can afford but not so much consideration of how much profits the AD can make as the info available is not without fraud...�

I never been to any Kim Chi showroom but went to almost all Jap brands. �I think it's safe to say that 3k discount is not standard across Jap brands e.g. I was given 11k discount from the listed price when I went to Toyota

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Anyway, �the criteria when I choosing a car are my expectation of its performance, smooth & comfortable ride, space, safety, exterior, interior etc. as well as price that I can afford but not so much consideration of how much profits the AD can make as the info available is not without fraud...�

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That in summary is how people choose cars. The LTA/onemotoring link just extra information for people to make their final choice if their final selections are from 2 different AD.

It gives a further insight in the pricing strategy and the models that the ADs are pushing harder compared to the rest of the range. Why the "fraud" level is different across ADs and models? Why not upfront pricing? why hide being all the discounts/overtrades/insurance fee/loan fee?

What is the best price now for XT? Any freebies? Maybe 10k discount ? Haha

FL deliveries have started.

What is the best price now for XT? Any freebies? Maybe 10k discount ? Haha

No $10k discount, only 10k servicing.

No $10k discount, only 10k servicing.

Haha..good one and of course have to be performed by AD to maintain warranty.

FL deliveries have started.

Anyone here collected?

Ordered and got my COE in Feb 1st bidding but no update from SE yet

FL deliveries have started.

How could have FL deliveries started when it is not even available for test drive yet?

why not? Could be there are too many orders to fulfil and they choose not to put in a test unit at this moment.

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As long as homologation is approved, can liao. So, check homologation status if you can.

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How could have FL deliveries started when it is not even available for test drive yet?

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Edited by Kangadrool, 24 February 2016 - 12:23 PM.

How could have FL deliveries started when it is not even available for test drive yet?

MI is more driven by sales than customer service.

Besides some customers do not mind... buy car like buy carrot...buy for 240 horses dead or alive...kc spider...have real needs...all kinds of reasons.

MI more than happy. Next time use catalogue can sell.

Ordered and got my COE in Feb 1st bidding but no update from SE yet

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Just to share. I suggest that you call your SE and tell her/him. This scenario happened to a friend but it is not with Motor Image (MI). It is a Borneo Motor (BM) SE.

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My friend booked a car and checked that he got his COE at the first bidding.�His SE did not call and when he called to ask her about it, she said he did not get the COE! My friend had to direct her to the LTA website and after she checked and realized her mistake, she apologized that her "other department"�gave her the wrong information:(�

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So, pls call soon.

Oops, what I meant is that my SE has not informed me of the car itself. We knew we got the COE already. Just that the stocks are in shipment and we are waiting for the good news. SE said most probably end feb/early march.

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Just to share. I suggest that you call your SE and tell her/him. This scenario happened to a friend but it is not with Motor Image (MI). It is a Borneo Motor (BM) SE.

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My friend booked a car and checked that he got his COE at the first bidding.�His SE did not call and when he called to ask her about it, she said he did not get the COE! My friend had to direct her to the LTA website and after she checked and realized her mistake, she apologized that her "other department"�gave her the wrong information:(�

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So, pls call soon.

why not? Could be there are too many orders to fulfil and they choose not to put in a test unit at this moment.

As long as homologation is approved, can liao. So, check homologation status if you can.

One car also cannot keep aside for test drive? If you are right then MI is extremely unprofessional.
I am sure many are holding back from signing until they get to test drive the FL.

would just like to check, what are the warranty terms for those who got the FL FXT?

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my experience last time was 3year reducing coverage i.e. by 3rd year, almost just left to mainly engine and transmission covered if I remember correctly.

think even 1st year didn't cover the McIntosh system according to some other owners...

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How could have FL deliveries started when it is not even available for test drive yet?

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The FL version has the cosmetic changes. For engine and other mechanical parts, there is no change.

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I have test drove the pre-FL NA and XT version to feel the difference. In the end, I signed up for the XT... :secret-laugh: � � ��

Just wondering, what is the route taken for the test drive? Is there a chance to feel the difference between NA and XT versions?

Just wondering, what is the route taken for the test drive? Is there a chance to feel the difference between NA and XT versions?

Floor both for 3 secs and you will definitely see the difference.

Edited by evo171, 25 February 2016 - 12:42 PM.

The FL version has the cosmetic changes. For engine and other mechanical parts, there is no change.

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I have test drove the pre-FL NA and XT version to feel the difference. In the end, I signed up for the XT... � � ��

Mentioned earlier, supposed to have changes in sound insulation (thicker windows) and better suspension set up. Not just cosmetic - this is what SE will tell you to quickly�confirm his commission in case you wander off to another AD,

Edited by Nav14, 25 February 2016 - 01:18 PM.

Just wondering, what is the route taken for the test drive? Is there a chance to feel the difference between NA and XT versions?

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Not very clear. Do you mean at Leng Kee or Toa Payoh? I think there are standard and 'non-standard' routes for both locations. �

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What I mean by standard route is a shorter fixed route when the queue to test drive at the showroom is long, and the SE has to shorten each test drive (this usually happens on busy weekends).

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'Non-standard' route means when there is no queue for test drive and the SE has more time to spend with a customer (especially during the weekdays), he/she may take�you�out to the expressways for a longer drive.�

X5actor: thanks for your information :)

They have the test route printed out at Toa payoh show room. Think they will not go beyond. Usually I think shorter route is taken.
Otherwise if accident cannot answer.

Updated prices:
116,800 for XT
105,800 for iL
2k discount, solar film, car mat.
Test drove XT, easily hits 100km/h in S# mode. Fyi: leather seats are locally fitted. Costs 500 to change from black to other colours. Expected time to get car will be in May if book now.

Updated prices:
116,800 for XT
105,800 for iL
2k discount, solar film, car mat.
Test drove XT, easily hits 100km/h in S# mode. Fyi: leather seats are locally fitted. Costs 500 to change from black to other colours. Expected time to get car will be in May if book now.

S# mode, FC quite jalat leh, [sweatdrop]

S# mode, FC quite jalat leh,

I have to agree that FC for Forester is quite bad compared to its competitors.�

Be practical - when you have 250 horses as opposed to 150-160 horses to feed, you would expect to visit the pumps more often.

What's that Hokkien phrase - want it cheap, want it fresh, and want it big?

How bad is the fc? Everyone keep saying jialat. Is it 5-6km/ litre in 50/50?

Updated prices:
116,800 for XT
105,800 for iL
2k discount, solar film, car mat.
Test drove XT, easily hits 100km/h in S# mode. Fyi: leather seats are locally fitted. Costs 500 to change from black to other colours. Expected time to get car will be in May if book now.

ADs would not drop prices for no reason. �May be the ADs expecting the COE to drop big time in next few round of biddings:-)

How bad is the fc? Everyone keep saying jialat. Is it 5-6km/ litre in 50/50?

Not so jia lat la.. I'm driving a Forester NA and mostly 70-80% city driving and getting around 9km/l.

Not so jia lat la.. I'm driving a Forester NA and mostly 70-80% city driving and getting around 9km/l.

That's pretty bad. My previous outback NA 3.0 I got 9km/l for the similar situation. I used 95 Caltex.

That's pretty bad. My previous outback NA 3.0 I got 9km/l for the similar situation. I used 95 Caltex.

And I thought that was bad

That's pretty bad. My previous outback NA 3.0 I got 9km/l for the similar situation. I used 95 Caltex.
And I thought that was bad

You seem to have alot previous ride in 1-2yrs..so how many ride u have?

You seem to have alot previous ride in 1-2yrs..so how many ride u have?

Was a bit easier to own when COE was in their teens

My experience driving FXT on NSH is that when the FC in S-mode stopped getting better, switching to S# allowed for slightly improved FC. Likely due to the 8-speed.

My general experience so far is that better FC is achieved when driving 90 km/h, best trip clocked 6.5 l/100 km. When driving at 80 km/h, best FC is in 7+ l/100 km. When stuck in a jam, 2-hours at immigration, the FC is at a boggling 50+ l/100 km. This car likes to move. Even moving slowly on peak hour PIE/AYE, no matter how slow as long as it is moving, it is still possible to get 8+ l/100 km. So far, on expressways, difference in FC between I mode and S mode is not discernible. Relaxed v spirited driving does not make much difference also.

Non-expressway drives range from 11 a 15 l/100 km, again depends on how long the car is not moving. Spirited driving makes a significant difference here (eg., needlessly racing to the next traffic light; overtaking just to slow down in 100m etc).

Mixed drives, as long as there is an expressway involved (that moves), FC is always less than 10 l/100km.

Overall average is currently 9.8 l/100km.

The advice given at the new owners' workshop is that the average for all Subaru vehicles is 9.8 km/l (same as my experience - but note the change from l/100 km to km/l)). It does not matter (surprise!) whether turbo or NA. I assume this is taken from data extracted from vehicles when sent in to the workshop. Also, for FC, the advise given is that the best is achieved when the car is driven between 90-110 km/h (same as my experience); S# should be used in NSH (same as my experience); (surprise!) S-mode for Singapore expressways (experimenting); and I-mode for start-stop city traffic.

Saw a silver FLed XT at Sengkang today. Crusing like a boss on Sengkang East Way around 12pm lol..� :a-m1212: �

Edited by Wondertree, 26 February 2016 - 03:11 PM.

Hi, any bro here managed to check whether the door glass on FL version thicker than the pre FL version?

That's pretty bad. My previous outback NA 3.0 I got 9km/l for the similar situation. I used 95 Caltex.
And I thought that was bad

You are kidding right? Your hypermiling skills must be top notch. Cause I never heard that kind of figure for this kind of engine with these factors before.

Edited by GLZT, 26 February 2016 - 04:53 PM.

Hi, any bro here managed to check whether the door glass on FL version thicker than the pre FL version?

No point ask any of the SE, because they know nothing except the lists of cosmetic change they have.

New XT is here for test drive. Only 1 unit, so confirm long queue tomorrow..haha
SE say it is thicker. 5mm thicker glass.

New XT is here for test drive. Only 1 unit, so confirm long queue tomorrow..haha
SE say it is thicker. 5mm thicker glass.

The lack of confidence in what S?/AD says is a mark of poor customer service in the local auto industry. S? is trained by AD.

Hope there is a regional manufacturer office that can provide some kinda of oversight on local AD.

You are kidding right? Your hypermiling skills must be top notch. Cause I never heard that kind of figure for this kind of engine with these factors before.

I thought that was bad too

My experience driving FXT on NSH is that when the FC in S-mode stopped getting better, switching to S# allowed for slightly improved FC. Likely due to the 8-speed.

My general experience so far is that better FC is achieved when driving 90 km/h, best trip clocked 6.5 l/100 km. When driving at 80 km/h, best FC is in 7+ l/100 km. When stuck in a jam, 2-hours at immigration, the FC is at a boggling 50+ l/100 km. This car likes to move. Even moving slowly on peak hour PIE/AYE, no matter how slow as long as it is moving, it is still possible to get 8+ l/100 km. So far, on expressways, difference in FC between I mode and S mode is not discernible. Relaxed v spirited driving does not make much difference also.

Non-expressway drives range from 11 a 15 l/100 km, again depends on how long the car is not moving. Spirited driving makes a significant difference here (eg., needlessly racing to the next traffic light; overtaking just to slow down in 100m etc).

Mixed drives, as long as there is an expressway involved (that moves), FC is always less than 10 l/100km.

Overall average is currently 9.8 l/100km.

The advice given at the new owners' workshop is that the average for all Subaru vehicles is 9.8 km/l (same as my experience - but note the change from l/100 km to km/l)). It does not matter (surprise!) whether turbo or NA. I assume this is taken from data extracted from vehicles when sent in to the workshop. Also, for FC, the advise given is that the best is achieved when the car is driven between 90-110 km/h (same as my experience); S# should be used in NSH (same as my experience); (surprise!) S-mode for Singapore expressways (experimenting); and I-mode for start-stop city traffic.

On NSH, how is FXT when cruising 140-160km/hr ? Bumpy ?

The lack of confidence in what SẼ/AD says is a mark of poor customer service in the local auto industry. SẼ is trained by AD.

Hope there is a regional manufacturer office that can provide some kinda of oversight on local AD.

There is Google and there Internet.

There is Google and there Internet.

These cannot stop AD from flip flop and being dishonest in their dealings.

Edited by TurboAct, 26 February 2016 - 08:01 PM.

No point ask any of the SE, because they know nothing except the lists of cosmetic change they have.

Exactly, seems they only good at pointing out where is the dot line you should sign on it. haha

Booked XT after test driving the new XT. SE really good, PM me if any of you interested.

On NSH, how is FXT when cruising 140-160km/hr ? Bumpy ?

Smooth operator :-) Confidence in motion.

Smooth operator :-) Confidence in motion.

140? On NSH? You are hogging the road!!

Like to ask if any Bro get the serving package with new car purchase...any details.

Got free first 3 servicing for parts n labour. Didnt ask abt servicing package. Maybe can ask when collecting car or when pay the remaining amount. Or even after the first 3 free ones to see their servicing standards before deciding.

Got free first 3 servicing for parts n labour. Didnt ask abt servicing package. Maybe can ask when collecting car or when pay the remaining amount. Or even after the first 3 free ones to see their servicing standards before deciding.

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Its a Catch 22 situation....to keep the 5 year warranty, your car will need to be serviced by MI ....doing it at outside workshop may void warranty. Small jobs can slip through but the 10K servicing, I think they need to have this on their records otherwise they have many reasons to give if part fails, especially engine related
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Got free first 3 servicing for parts n labour. Didnt ask abt servicing package. Maybe can ask when collecting car or when pay the remaining amount. Or even after the first 3 free ones to see their servicing standards before deciding.

Can anyone advise whether the car warranty would be void if the car was serviced outside MI? � In MI website, �it states the �following regarding car warranty: -�

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"Motor Image shall not be obliged to honour any of the warranties stated in the booklet under any of the following circumstances:

The vehicle has been repaired or serviced by someone other than Motor Image or its Authorised Service Centres.
Any parts not supplied or installed by Motor Image.
There are unauthorized upgrades, modifications or alterations to the original specifications or structure of the vehicle.
The vehicle is damaged through misuse, negligence, improper maintenance or accident.
The vehicle has not been given periodic maintenance as recommended by Motor Image in this booklet.
The damage is due to normal wear and tear."

Can anyone advise whether the car warranty would be void if the car was serviced outside MI? In MI website, it states the following regarding car warranty: -

"Motor Image shall not be obliged to honour any of the warranties stated in the booklet under any of the following circumstances:
The vehicle has been repaired or serviced by someone other than Motor Image or its Authorised Service Centres.
Any parts not supplied or installed by Motor Image.
There are unauthorized upgrades, modifications or alterations to the original specifications or structure of the vehicle.
The vehicle is damaged through misuse, negligence, improper maintenance or accident.
The vehicle has not been given periodic maintenance as recommended by Motor Image in this booklet.
The damage is due to normal wear and tear."

That is why we need subaru office to oversee AI.

If you refer to car manual, any competent mechanic following the recommended servicing is required to have warranty valid.

But AI is big boss now due to lack of regulation.

Can anyone advise whether the car warranty would be void if the car was serviced outside MI? In MI website, it states the following regarding car warranty: -

"Motor Image shall not be obliged to honour any of the warranties stated in the booklet under any of the following circumstances:
The vehicle has been repaired or serviced by someone other than Motor Image or its Authorised Service Centres.
Any parts not supplied or installed by Motor Image.
There are unauthorized upgrades, modifications or alterations to the original specifications or structure of the vehicle.
The vehicle is damaged through misuse, negligence, improper maintenance or accident.
The vehicle has not been given periodic maintenance as recommended by Motor Image in this booklet.
The damage is due to normal wear and tear."

Bro please advise to have MI honour the warranty. What is THEIR requirement ?

10k or 6 months. So minimum 2 servicing per year ?

This is in my opinion ridiculous. Subaru give warranty. AI who is the dealer controls the requirements.

Like buying aircon say from courts but no warranty unless courts do monthly service.

Understand AI have invested in equipment but the AI do charge back subaru for warranty works.

Well the taste of the cake is to eat it. Who in this forum who bought a new Subaru from MI with a 5 year warranty will be noble enough to try servicing outside and see whether MI will still able to honor the warranty? I am happy to buy you Kopi anytime...
it is true that Subaru gave the warranty. In the event of issues, you can either go to their approved dealer to get things repaired and the AD will claim the warranty on your behalf or you can send the car to Subaru Japan directly yourself (logistics costs on you of course)
And my sensing is that it's the local AD that gives the 5 year warranty. While back to back they buy warranty from Subaru. Subaru maybe gives first 2 years warranty but then it is still priced in the "OMV".

That is why we need subaru office to oversee AI.

If you refer to car manual, any competent mechanic following the recommended servicing is required to have warranty valid.

But AI is big boss now due to lack of regulation.
Bro please advise to have MI honour the warranty. What is THEIR requirement ?

10k or 6 months. So minimum 2 servicing per year ?

This is in my opinion ridiculous. Subaru give warranty. AI who is the dealer controls the requirements.

Bro, think the local AD is he one that gives you the warranty. And back to back they buy the warranty from Subaru. The contract is between you and the local AD not between you and Subaru. So if you want the warranty to be direct from Subaru, theoretically can be done. But practically almost not possible to claim unless u do it yourself.
So be watchful when you buy from PI. Make sure you get from the reputable PI. If not your warranty.. Signed but cannot claim

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Can anyone advise whether the car warranty would be void if the car was serviced outside MI? � In MI website, �it states the �following regarding car warranty: -�

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"Motor Image shall not be obliged to honour any of the warranties stated in the booklet under any of the following circumstances:

The vehicle has been repaired or serviced by someone other than Motor Image or its Authorised Service Centres.

Any parts not supplied or installed by Motor Image.

There are unauthorized upgrades, modifications or alterations to the original specifications or structure of the vehicle.

The vehicle is damaged through misuse, negligence, improper maintenance or accident.

The vehicle has not been given periodic maintenance as recommended by Motor Image in this booklet.

The damage is due to normal wear and tear."

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You answered your own question, but you knew that, right?

You answered your own question, but you knew that, right?

Haiya.. Maybe he is willing to try on our behalf leh?

Who is their authorized service centers?

Edited by Roadhogger, 27 February 2016 - 10:47 AM.

I fitted my fxt with a hks legalmax exhaust which my service advisor told me will void warranty. Last month went back MI to rectify some ecu problems, and they honoured their warranty without asking anything ie they reflashed my ecu foc.

You answered your own question, but you knew that, right?

Yes, I understand the T&C for warranty but would like to stir up some discussion esp. on "its Authorised Service Center" as I'm not quite sure:-) �Any other "authorised" service center other than MI Singapore? �Whether MI Singapore consider MI Malaysia as "authorised" as I need to travel quite frequently to Malaysia & may consider to get it service there while I'm there

Yes, I understand the T&C for warranty but would like to stir up some discussion esp. on "its Authorised Service Center" as I'm not quite sure:-) Any other "authorised" service center other than MI Singapore? Whether MI Singapore consider MI Malaysia as "authorised" as I need to travel quite frequently to Malaysia & may consider to get it service there while I'm there

happy that you try and let us know. Thanks man!

Yes, I understand the T&C for warranty but would like to stir up some discussion esp. on "its Authorised Service Center" as I'm not quite sure:-) Any other "authorised" service center other than MI Singapore? Whether MI Singapore consider MI Malaysia as "authorised" as I need to travel quite frequently to Malaysia & may consider to get it service there while I'm there

Why bother asking here? Are we MI? Even if someone says yes no problem. Will you believe? Can't believe the level of intelligence here!

Edited by Mkl22, 27 February 2016 - 12:05 PM.

Why bother asking here? Are we MI? Even if someone says yes no problem. Will you believe? Can't believe the level of intelligence here!

Bro.. Let our bro try la. Then we all can benefit..

Hi all, booked an XT myself before CNY. I was at Motor Image again yesterday & the sales showed me the facelift XT. I tot the facelift comes with DRL? But the grey 1 on display and the 1 for test drive doesn't. Do you guys know about this? Or was my assumption wrong?

Ask your SE la. We not MI leh.

Why bother asking here? Are we MI? Even if someone says yes no problem. Will you believe? Can't believe the level of intelligence here!

You've to give some credit for the info. given by the bros here otherwise why we need a forum... �Of course one need to filter the info (not follow blindly bro) and verify with MI before proceed. � I benefited from the info provided in the forum i.e. sharing of the discounts given by SE as you'll be surprised that not all SEs offer same discount. �Some try to 'eat' you.. �

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Some may have already done that i.e. service in MI Malaysia... we only�follow the path that others have laid

Edited by Joseph1978, 27 February 2016 - 12:27 PM.

Ask your SE la. We not MI leh.

Already did. Apparently when i pointed out at where is the DRL, my SE was like blur and pointed at another light.

I fitted my fxt with a hks legalmax exhaust which my service advisor told me will void warranty. Last month went back MI to rectify some ecu problems, and they honoured their warranty without asking anything ie they reflashed my ecu foc.

Bro, can pm me the price of the hks? From GarageR rite?

Already did. Apparently when i pointed out at where is the DRL, my SE was like blur and pointed at another light.

Bro, can pm me the price of the hks? From GarageR rite?

Think maybe good idea to go down again and ask. Good excuse/reason to escape from your OC.

I still don't really understand why people like those LED strip on bumper type...

Only a certain category of people will like it. I believe you can guess which category I am referring to.

How bad is the fc? Everyone keep saying jialat. Is it 5-6km/ litre in 50/50?

not so bad lah, I think average 8 to 9km/L at 50/50�subject to your right foot itchy level

don't like Vezel, QQ, Harrier etc easily clock 15km/L

not so bad lah, I think average 8 to 9km/L at 50/50 subject to your right foot itchy level
don't like Vezel, QQ, Harrier etc easily clock 15km/L

My NA has consistently achieving 12km/L

Hi bros, keen to book the New Forester XT. Used to drive Forester 2.0T 2003 years back. Enjoyed it very much.

What sort of free gifts should I asked? SE only offered window film and car mats. Have auto fold module? Visors? Front and back recorder?

I dont like the HU. Cant play video and no GPS. Can I changed to after market HU like Pioneer? Will it sync with the steering control?

Can ask for front and back camera.

Can ask for front and back camera.

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Thanks. Possible to change HU?

Edited by Mh23, 29 February 2016 - 03:35 PM.

Only a certain category of people will like it. I believe you can guess which category I am referring to.

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I like to stick to original DRLs. Then no need to tangle with LTA and the design usually more swee.

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But I still see Vezels and other kinds around with additional dot-strip LED on bumper... then at night they are at full brightness or drive without headlamps, thinking can use them like foglamps...

:a-bang:

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I like to stick to original DRLs. Then no need to tangle with LTA and the design usually more swee.

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But I still see Vezels and other kinds around with additional dot-strip LED on bumper... then at night they are at full brightness or drive without headlamps, thinking can use them like foglamps...

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Yah. Factory DRL will auto dimmed when head light is turn ON.

After market one mostly cannot.�

Yah. Factory DRL will auto dimmed when head light is turn ON.

After market one mostly cannot.�

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What about those aftermarket-type headlamps, though?

Like this Civic one

Do those dim the DRL?
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Recently I saw an Outback. The new projector-style design that Subaru is phasing in is definitely more attractive, but the C-shape still lacks some... flair.

I actually thinking now... since it's easy to make fancy DRL using fibreoptics nowadays... Subaru can also make one in the 4-point star shape used in their logo [laugh]

Edited by 7hm, 29 February 2016 - 04:25 PM.

Guys, any recommended SE at MI...

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went to the showroom yesterday at Leng Kee but not comfortable with the SE. Seems like he is not interested to sell. He just stand there like statue and not sharing with me about the car features (New XT).

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He even showed me the older model initially even after I asked for the 2016 Model.

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If you have any recommended SE, pls PM me. Thanks

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Btw other than the front/back rec camera is there any other freebies to consider for the Forester XT model?

Edited by Nastrix, 29 February 2016 - 04:31 PM.

MI increased the price for the Forester. Must be having a good sale.

MI increased the price for the Forester. Must be having a good sale.

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MI increased the list price by $8k after the last COE bidding.

But reduced the list price by $5k since 25th Feb.

Thanks. Possible to change HU?

Yes, possible to change the HU, but u gotta buy the center panel from JapanParts, as the stock's HU is integrated with the aircon panel too...

MI increased the list price by $8k after the last COE bidding.

But reduced the list price by $5k since 25th Feb.

Two possibilities that I can think of for the sudden price drop of $5k - MI expecting COE to drop in next few biddings or Subara ramp up production so need their ADs to move stock fast, maybe both scenarios combined ...�

sgcarmart just updated the price list. Forester up $1k to $106.8k for NA

sgcarmart just updated the price list. Forester up $1k to $106.8k for NA

because tmr got COE bet,�expect up for CAT B

Two possibilities that I can think of for the sudden price drop of $5k - MI expecting COE to drop in next few biddings or Subara ramp up production so need their ADs to move stock fast, maybe both scenarios combined ...�

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Singapore market is just a small change in term of their production volume.� [drivingcar] �

because tmr got COE bet, expect up for CAT B

1st bidding for March 16 should be from 7-9 Mar. Longer than usual i.e. 3 weeks from last bid vs usual 2 weeks

because tmr got COE bet,�expect up for CAT B

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What is COE bet?

Next COE tender on 9 Mar 2016 right?

because tmr got COE bet,�expect up for CAT B

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COE next week lah...

3 weeks interval for this round..

sgcarmart just updated the price list. Forester up $1k to $106.8k for NA

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FL Forester photos updated too� [laugh]

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