Thứ Sáu, 30 tháng 12, 2016

2015 Forester 2.0 part 34

  • 12 April 2016 - 04:57 AM
    Abdulwz

    Congrats! What's the est delivery date your SE advise?

    End May or early June....
  • 12 April 2016 - 06:28 AM
    newbie12345
    Anybody have gone to the workshop? Care to share what is it all about??
  • 12 April 2016 - 07:20 AM
    razor54
    Bros driving the XT variant, do you notice any difference between running 95 and 98 petrol grade?

    The notice on the petrol flip door showed to use 95 and above but the manual recommended 98, although it also mentioned that using 95 will not cause damage to the engine. SE also said 95 will do. I have read somewhere that using 95 will have effect of power being reduced. Not sure how true...

    So asking XT drivers here for your experience if you have tried both grades.

    Edited by razor54, 12 April 2016 - 07:21 AM.

  • 12 April 2016 - 08:37 AM
    stripes

    Anybody have gone to the workshop? Care to share what is it all about??

    1st part watch video in the theatre. After that the engineer will bring you to the car and explain to you parts of the engine bay and interior and operational use. What you can touch in the engine and what not to touch... what petrol grade to use for XT and which grade for NA.

    I think it was quite good. I would recommend you to attend. If you got questions on your DUO points, got 1 personnel there to explain to you also.


  • 12 April 2016 - 08:56 AM
    razor54

    1st part watch video in the theatre. After that the engineer will bring you to the car and explain to you parts of the engine bay and interior and operational use. What you can touch in the engine and what not to touch... what petrol grade to use for XT and which grade for NA.

    I think it was quite good. I would recommend you to attend. If you got questions on your DUO points, got 1 personnel there to explain to you also.

    So what's the engineer's recommendation of petrol grade for XT?
  • 12 April 2016 - 08:59 AM
    stripes

    So what's the engineer's recommendation of petrol grade for XT?

    He recommended 0W40 for XT. For NA he mentioned 0W30.
  • 12 April 2016 - 09:01 AM
    razor54

    He recommended 0W40 for XT. For NA he mentioned 0W30.

    Sorry I meant the petrol grade. Any information from the engineer on that?
  • 12 April 2016 - 09:12 AM
    stripes

    Sorry I meant the petrol grade. Any information from the engineer on that?

    Not sure if he mentioned cos I left 20 mins early as I had something to attend to. My SE did tell me minimum to pump 95. But the book recommended 98. So I'll stick to the book. Pump 98.

    If pump 95, obviously the car will lose horsepower. How can a lower grade petrol give you the same power as a higher one? Just my opinion� [:)]


  • 12 April 2016 - 09:26 AM
    BenTong

    Not sure if he mentioned cos I left 20 mins early as I had something to attend to. My SE did tell me minimum to pump 95. But the book recommended 98. So I'll stick to the book. Pump 98.

    If pump 95, obviously the car will lose horsepower. How can a lower grade petrol give you the same power as a higher one? Just my opinion [:)]

    three considerations:

    (Horse power lost & FC goes up) vs $$$ savings (98 vs 95 quite a bit nowadays). Almost $0.3 to 0.35/litre diff.



    My experience with 95. Don't feel any HP lost on Caltex and SPC. Shell can really feel the HP lost. Esso not tried

    FC : avg 8-10% more.

    Edited by BenTong, 12 April 2016 - 09:29 AM.

  • 12 April 2016 - 09:29 AM
    Kayaloti

    Wow, you meant this is for NA or XT ?

    So, 95 will increase your FC? That's interesting.

    three considerations:

    (Horse power lost & FC goes up) vs $$$ savings (98 vs 95 quite a bit nowadays)

    My experience with 95. Don't feel any HP lost on Caltex and SPC. Shell can really feel the HP lost. Esso not tried

    FC : avg 8-10% more.


  • 12 April 2016 - 09:31 AM
    BenTong

    Wow, you meant this is for NA or XT ?
    So, 95 will increase your FC? That's interesting.

    On my previous OB. But still worth it. Coz the price differential b/w 95 vs 98 more than $0.35/litre vs FC increase by 10% or $0.17/litre

    Edited by BenTong, 12 April 2016 - 09:33 AM.

  • 12 April 2016 - 10:52 AM
    razor54

    On my previous OB. But still worth it. Coz the price differential b/w 95 vs 98 more than $0.35/litre vs FC increase by 10% or $0.17/litre

    That's a good way to calculate the savings.

    From what I gathered so far, 95 is able to be used in the current generation XT turbo charged engine. But because of the higher compression characteristics of the turbo engine, 98 is still recommended by Subaru. For the XT, power reduction will happen when the engine sensor pick up pinging from the lower RON 95 used and subsequently reduce compression (resulting in power cut) to eliminate the pinging. Petrol RON are calculated to reduce engine ping according to each individual engine model's design and compression to achieve maximum/most efficient combustion and power. Therefore in the case of the XT, power reduction comes not directly from the RON level in 95, but rather from the ECU receiving signals to cut power when ping is detected to prevent engine damage.

    So if I'm already spending that extra on the XT for the performance of a turbo charged engine, it make more sense to max out the performance from the turbo. Being able to switch to 95 is a good option in the newer engine. Maybe that will happen if petrol prices rocket to ridiculous levels beyond my pocket threshold....hahaha.

    So far still on my 2nd tank after car collection and using RON 98. I will try RON 95 after my 1st servicing and see if I can feel any discernible real life difference during driving.
  • 12 April 2016 - 11:27 AM
    Jamesgetz

    I would strongly advise those with FXT to pump RON98, esp since the compression ratio is quite high.�

    it's not just about 95 resulting in less power but also whether it causes knocking which can be very damaging to the engine.� the FXT has knock sensors which will retard the ignition timing if knocking occurs but it's safer to just pump 98 in case the sensors malfunction


  • 12 April 2016 - 12:44 PM
    Wattokkingu

    I would strongly advise those with FXT to pump RON98, esp since the compression ratio is quite high.
    it's not just about 95 resulting in less power but also whether it causes knocking which can be very damaging to the engine. the FXT has knock sensors which will retard the ignition timing if knocking occurs but it's safer to just pump 98 in case the sensors malfunction

    From sgcarmart, XT comp ratio is 10.6, just 0.1 higher than NA. Is 10.6 considered high? I have always thought that the Mazda skyactiv engine comp ratio at 14.0 is considered high. But i do agree that follow the car manual to pump the correct fuel type is the best bet.
  • 12 April 2016 - 01:53 PM
    Red_ryder

    Hi guys, this is my first Subaru, collecting my car next week!�

    Is it true that for AWD vehicles, if anything happen to one tire need to change all to match? If one tire punctured, or bald, all must change together? �


  • 12 April 2016 - 02:12 PM
    razor54

    From sgcarmart, XT comp ratio is 10.6, just 0.1 higher than NA. Is 10.6 considered high? I have always thought that the Mazda skyactiv engine comp ratio at 14.0 is considered high. But i do agree that follow the car manual to pump the correct fuel type is the best bet.

    The XT has a higher compression ratio of just 0.6 than the NA. I think there should be more variables to consider when taking into account compression ratio to necessitate the need for higher octane gas. The ridiculously powerful Nissan Skyline GTR R35 has a compression ratio of 9:1, so does the Mitsubishi Evo 10.

    Like you mentioned, just follow the recommendation from the manual will be the safest bet for the car (provided it's in stock form).

    Edited by razor54, 12 April 2016 - 02:14 PM.

  • 12 April 2016 - 02:13 PM
    Singtel88

    Hi guys, this is my first Subaru, collecting my car next week!�

    Is it true that for AWD vehicles, if anything happen to one tire need to change all to match? If one tire punctured, or bald, all must change together? �

    change in pair good enough... if money no issue change 4


  • 12 April 2016 - 02:18 PM
    Kayaloti

    I don't really seen any car that had a bold tire one sided, if that's the case perhaps your alignment is way way out.�

    I always changed mine all 4 together as they wore out quite evenly.


  • 12 April 2016 - 07:29 PM
    Sarion

    I would strongly advise those with FXT to pump RON98, esp since the compression ratio is quite high.
    it's not just about 95 resulting in less power but also whether it causes knocking which can be very damaging to the engine. the FXT has knock sensors which will retard the ignition timing if knocking occurs but it's safer to just pump 98 in case the sensors malfunction

    EJ25 turbo has no issue with 95RON. FB20DIT need 98RON?

    Seriously, u guys think u really need so much power?
    I advise that you drive on S# for a whole day or week before you decide if that is really what you want. It may be too much to handle for normal situations with this stock setup of not so great tyres and stock brakes.

    Edited by Sarion, 12 April 2016 - 07:32 PM.

  • 12 April 2016 - 07:39 PM
    BenTong

    EJ25 turbo has no issue with 95RON. FB20DIT need 98RON?

    Seriously, u guys think u really need so much power?
    I advise that you drive on S# for a whole day or week before you decide if that is really what you want. It may be too much to handle for normal situations with this stock setup of not so great tyres and stock brakes.

    True true BHP 250. Stock brakes, stock tyres, stock Drivers...
  • 12 April 2016 - 07:50 PM
    newbie12345

    The XT has a higher compression ratio of just 0.6 than the NA. I think there should be more variables to consider when taking into account compression ratio to necessitate the need for higher octane gas. The ridiculously powerful Nissan Skyline GTR R35 has a compression ratio of 9:1, so does the Mitsubishi Evo 10.

    Like you mentioned, just follow the recommendation from the manual will be the safest bet for the car (provided it's in stock form).

    What is your FC rate?

    Mine 11km/L 20/80 city/highway FXT. 2nd tank.
  • 12 April 2016 - 09:21 PM
    razor54

    What is your FC rate?

    Mine 11km/L 20/80 city/highway FXT. 2nd tank.

    Mileage 1000th now. FC at 10.2km/L 50/50 highway/city.
  • 12 April 2016 - 10:12 PM
    razor54

    EJ25 turbo has no issue with 95RON. FB20DIT need 98RON?

    Seriously, u guys think u really need so much power?
    I advise that you drive on S# for a whole day or week before you decide if that is really what you want. It may be too much to handle for normal situations with this stock setup of not so great tyres and stock brakes.

    I don't think I'll ever use the full boost available on the XT...at least not in Singapore.

    However, it's not a case of if I really need so much power. The power is there whether I need it or not. And I won't probably enjoy driving a whole day in S# (FC going to crash if I do that), the high rpm maintained in S# is best reserved for short burst of fun when I feel like it. S mode is more than enough for me to enjoy that creamy linear surge (FB-series) whenever I need to overtake another car.

    But ya, I wouldn't risk going full bore like a bat out of hell on the XT with those stock tyres and brakes. It'll be pushing it a little too far for me...especially this being more of a family car but with a little bit of extra fun available under that right foot anytime. :)
  • 12 April 2016 - 10:24 PM
    Sarion

    I don't think I'll ever use the full boost available on the XT...at least not in Singapore.

    However, it's not a case of if I really need so much power. The power is there whether I need it or not. And I won't probably enjoy driving a whole day in S# (FC going to crash if I do that), the high rpm maintained in S# is best reserved for short burst of fun when I feel like it. S mode is more than enough for me to enjoy that creamy linear surge (FB-series) whenever I need to overtake another car.

    But ya, I wouldn't risk going full bore like a bat out of hell on the XT with those stock tyres and brakes. It'll be pushing it a little too far for me...especially this being more of a family car but with a little bit of extra fun available under that right foot anytime. :)

    that's exactly what I mean. S# is fun, yeah, but one really needs to know the car well to brake well in time to handle that amount of acceleration, especially when there are so many idiot drivers and riders in Singapore that can easily swing into your lane without signaling/checking.

    I hope it doesn't come across as offensive, but for drivers who had never handled such power before in a car, you really need to be careful of it and know what to expect, what's the emergency braking distance, feel and handling, etc...

    to me, I have always think of the 3 modes in my car as I - Idiotic (too slow response for my car, not the SJG), S - Stupid (fast enough to make you do stupid things) and S# - Super Stupid (gets one into trouble really quickly) haha...


  • 12 April 2016 - 10:55 PM
    razor54

    that's exactly what I mean. S# is fun, yeah, but one really needs to know the car well to brake well in time to handle that amount of acceleration, especially when there are so many idiot drivers and riders in Singapore that can easily swing into your lane without signaling/checking.

    I hope it doesn't come across as offensive, but for drivers who had never handled such power before in a car, you really need to be careful of it and know what to expect, what's the emergency braking distance, feel and handling, etc...
    to me, I have always think of the 3 modes in my car as I - Idiotic (too slow response for my car, not the SJG), S - Stupid (fast enough to make you do stupid things) and S# - Super Stupid (gets one into trouble really quickly) haha...

    So far I have not found any situation that warrants S# yet...I'm not really into racing with others on our roads. There's enough of such idiots on the roads and they sure don't need another one to add to that tally...hahaha.

    Regardless of what car, turbo or NA, every owner needs to know their new car's capabilities and limits. Especially new drivers need extra care in that area and don't go blasting down the road thinking he is Vettel or Hamilton.

    Personally, I've being riding as well for more than 20 years. Being able to accelerate in my bike from 0-100km/hr in under 3 seconds is easily achievable on any day under the right conditions. When I ride, I put in double the effort to stay alive to go home to my family everytime I had that machine between my legs. Responsibility with any machines need to be learned over time, hopefully not by the hard way on the roads. I've been in accidents with my bikes and cars over the years (mostly because of some crazy or inattentive drivers). And no prizes for guessing which one I walk away with lesser damage to my body.

    We just have to respect technology and drive/ride responsibly. Our loved ones depend on that. I'm enjoying the new family car right now. The kids are having a blast in the car with the big moonroof and wife feels safe in the Forester. That's all that matters to me personally. As for the little extra which I paid for in the XT, I'm enjoying the power available as compared to my old car before this.

    Drive safe and enjoy the this awesome car, Forester owners!

    Edited by razor54, 12 April 2016 - 10:58 PM.

  • 12 April 2016 - 11:38 PM
    Pocus

    From sgcarmart, XT comp ratio is 10.6, just 0.1 higher than NA. Is 10.6 considered high? I have always thought that the Mazda skyactiv engine comp ratio at 14.0 is considered high. But i do agree that follow the car manual to pump the correct fuel type is the best bet.

    Compression Ratio of 10.6 in a Turbocharged engine is considered relatively high since the typical compression ratio for Force induced engine is typical below 10, about 9+.

    Compression Ratio of 10.6 for a NA car is considered within normal range. Anything above 11 is considered high for NA engine.

    For Mazda's skyactive engine, having a compression ratio of 14 IMHO is FREAKING high!! I dunno how they managed that without pinging. I once ask the Mazda SE before and he�replied with a smoky answer of how the ECU managed it.


    Hi guys, this is my first Subaru, collecting my car next week!�

    Is it true that for AWD vehicles, if anything happen to one tire need to change all to match? If one tire punctured, or bald, all must change together? �

    The AWD for current gen Subarus is not as sensitive as before, the front 2 or rear 2 is good enough. The key thing is to change ASAP.


    EJ25 turbo has no issue with 95RON. FB20DIT need 98RON?

    Seriously, u guys think u really need so much power?
    I advise that you drive on S# for a whole day or week before you decide if that is really what you want. It may be too much to handle for normal situations with this stock setup of not so great tyres and stock brakes.

    FA20DIT can settle for 95RON. 98RON for optimum power.


  • 12 April 2016 - 11:42 PM
    Kayaloti

    Wow, too much to digest.

    I always find scooby drivers do knows a lot about their car.

    Thank you all for all the info and facts.


  • 12 April 2016 - 11:58 PM
    BenTong

    Wow, too much to digest.
    I always find scooby drivers do knows a lot about their car.
    Thank you all for all the info and facts.

    That's where MI got it right. Hire "SO Tongs"as SEs.. And all us smarts n techies buy from them...hmmm who is the smarter one?
  • 13 April 2016 - 05:42 PM
    Sarion

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    I read this review and LOL.

    turbo will likely be ineffective on this car for city driving and POOR ROAD ON A CLEARER ROAD. It is altogether a different car from the 2L, sprightly and powerful.

    Above he said "The drive on the Forester 2litre was a real disappointment".

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    Do not like 4WD then why test drive? Haha... Maybe he was driving a Macan Turbo or QS5 so forester too slow for him
  • 13 April 2016 - 06:01 PM
    Jamesgetz

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    I read this review and LOL.

    turbo will likely be ineffective on this car for city driving and POOR ROAD ON A CLEARER ROAD. It is altogether a different car from the 2L, sprightly and powerful.

    Above he said "The drive on the Forester 2litre was a real disappointment".

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    how does he even judge the reliability from just a test drive and gave it such a low score...� crap review.� possibly from a sales exec with a competitor brand/model.


  • 13 April 2016 - 06:19 PM
    Joseph1978

    how does he even judge the reliability from just a test drive and gave it such a low score...� crap review.� possibly from a sales exec with a competitor brand/model.

    relax bros... �the crap review will help to slow down the demand a bit so that those bros who already booked will get their cars faster & those very keen will get cars cheaper. haha!

    Let that hao lian Ah Seng work harder lah or else he would increase prices like nobody business :-).


  • 13 April 2016 - 06:26 PM
    BenTong

    relax bros... the crap review will help to slow down the demand a bit so that those bros who already booked will get their cars faster & those very keen will get cars cheaper. haha!

    Let that hao lian Ah Seng work harder lah or else he would increase prices like nobody business :-).

    Bro, I am not that hopeful. Rumors has it that they almost sold out their next FXT shipment.
    http://www.onemotori...Cost_Update.xls

    For those interested.. MI apparently does have a price without COE
  • 13 April 2016 - 06:39 PM
    Tohto

    how does he even judge the reliability from just a test drive and gave it such a low score... crap review. possibly from a sales exec with a competitor brand/model.


    Cannot be trusted with someone who join MCF 2 days ago just to post a review..
  • 13 April 2016 - 08:08 PM
    Jerrimie

    since when xt's turbo can only be released at 3200 rpm lol


  • 13 April 2016 - 09:42 PM
    Nlatio

    Do not like 4WD then why test drive? Haha... Maybe he was driving a Macan Turbo or QS5 so forester too slow for him

    I also scratching my head�.. don't like 4WD, why go test drive a 4WD ride?? Like don't like Mee Pok go eat Mee Pok and say the portion is good, taste is good, the only bad thing is it is Mee Pok?? WTF�.�


  • 13 April 2016 - 10:24 PM
    Joseph1978
    Btw, Forester is a All-Wheel Drive (AWD) car but he tested a Four-Wheel Drive (4WD) car. Therefore, the car he tested was clearly not Forester lah:-).
  • 13 April 2016 - 11:09 PM
    XavierTan82
    Can I check if you've noticed whether this icon get lighted up when you've locked your car? Just realized that it's always blinking after I've locked my car or when I stopped my engine and remain in the car.

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    Edited by XavierTan82, 13 April 2016 - 11:10 PM.

  • 13 April 2016 - 11:09 PM
    Nlatio

    Btw, Forester is a All-Wheel Drive (AWD) car but he tested a Four-Wheel Drive (4WD) car. Therefore, the car he tested was clearly not Forester lah:-).

    hmmm maybe he drive a chiong brand�. Horester??� [rolleyes]


  • 13 April 2016 - 11:32 PM
    LOOKS

    Collected my FXT ride this afternoon. I am enjoying every moment even though it was a short ride home. Nothing match what was reviewed. FXT is a good car. I�cannot say now is Reliability. However, I owned a Subaru for 8 years before this. Other than regular workshop servicing and replacement of parts which were specified by Subaru, the car had not fail me once. That said a lot about reliability. I expect FXT will live up to that.

    Busy scanning through the manual now. I was concerned about Ron 95. Double confirmed with the SE. He shown me the sticker at a fuel inlet that said Ron 95 or higher. I checked the manual and it is the same. Ron 95 can be used. This gives the flexibility for Ron 95 or 98, depending on your mood.


  • 14 April 2016 - 12:02 AM
    TameDriver

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    I read this review and LOL.

    turbo will likely be ineffective on this car for city driving and POOR ROAD ON A CLEARER ROAD. It is altogether a different car from the 2L, sprightly and powerful.

    Above he said "The drive on the Forester 2litre was a real disappointment".

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    The kook who wrote that unbalanced review probably an inexperienced driver or from a competitor brand.
    I test drove the XT a couple of wks ago. Stability is a feature I emphasised on as I'm driving a low coupe & the XT met my expectations on cornerings. On the turbo aspect, it kicked in effortlessly; taken by surprise fr someone who drives a 3litre car.

    Bounciness probably from the over inflated tyres.

    It's AWD allows nifty manoeuvres & smaller radius of turn. With normal straight drive, It's still on front wheel drive.

    At this moment in time, should I want to get a SUV, this would be the one I'd chose.




    Wahlau...I just written such a flattering review...hope MI won't use this to increase their list price.

    Edited by TameDriver, 14 April 2016 - 12:05 AM.

  • 14 April 2016 - 12:22 AM
    JohnSHL

    Bros driving the XT variant, do you notice any difference between running 95 and 98 petrol grade?

    The notice on the petrol flip door showed to use 95 and above but the manual recommended 98, although it also mentioned that using 95 will not cause damage to the engine. SE also said 95 will do. I have read somewhere that using 95 will have effect of power being reduced. Not sure how true...

    So asking XT drivers here for your experience if you have tried both grades.

    is the terminology the same? or does one say 95 is minimum while the other says 98 is recommended?

    generally speaking, using the lower octane fuel will�increase the likelihood for pre-detonation (aka "knock"),�causing the�ECU�to auto-retard ignition timing to prevent/reduce damage to the engine components, resulting in less power output.� The minimum octane rating will then be the limit to which the�ECU can retard timing.

    the effect�will be obvious�at wide open throttle, and less so at light throttle levels.�

    the engine will have been built and tuned to be optimal (by the manufacturer's requirements) at a particular fuel grade, but it will also be built to be robust enough to handle slightly lower fuel grades.

    your headache can be solved by going to a tuner and asking him to tune your engine for 95. Or even 92. This will allow the engine to run optimally at your chosen fuel�grade while still having�some buffer for lower than expected fuel grade (bad batches are known to occur). Fuel economy can also be improved in some cases, and/or having higher hp and torque too. A good tuner will be able to customise the tune to your requirements, as well as any hardware changes done to the car. This however will void the warranty [:p]


  • 14 April 2016 - 12:42 AM
    JohnSHL

    Hi guys, this is my first Subaru, collecting my car next week!�

    Is it true that for AWD vehicles, if anything happen to one tire need to change all to match? If one tire punctured, or bald, all must change together? �

    the owner's manual will state the maximum difference in rolling circumference (all four tyres must be within the same range)

    otherwise, the differentials�will not be happy and overheat/wear out faster than expected.

    puncture - a good % of them can be repaired.

    In my 12yrs of driving subarus, I hv never had to replace all four tyres just because�one was damaged.�But I do know of people that did, due to severe tire damage caused by driving over road debris.

    to reduce uneven wear, do rotation every 10k religiously. And better to use tyres that allow for flexible rotation. Directional tyres are restricted in the rotation, unless u wanna mount/dismount tires from rims.

    this is also the reason why some pple carry a full size spare, and use this as part of the tyre rotation (i.e. rotate 5 tires, not 4). So that if they have to use the spare while on a�long road trip, the spare is not "brand new" tire used with 3 old tires. How important this is is�very subjective. Also, this way, if one tire is damaged beyond repair, still got 4 usable tires [laugh]� personally, I carry a full sized spare but I have a used tire there. So the circumference isn't too much of a difference. Anyway it's only to get me to the nearest tire shop.


  • 14 April 2016 - 05:39 AM
    4orester
    So many good points here but why don't post on sgcarmart review? Words from a Forster owner outweighs a one-time tester.
  • 14 April 2016 - 08:32 AM
    Rayoflight

    pls write more bad reviews hahaha


  • 14 April 2016 - 12:31 PM
    newbie12345
    Seeing more and more forester on the road. Look like it not unique anymore. Sianz

    Edited by newbie12345, 14 April 2016 - 12:31 PM.

  • 14 April 2016 - 03:04 PM
    SJGDKK8
    Chery Proton Ssangyong or Mustang pretty unique... Plus Seat gonna launch in Singapore soon...
  • 14 April 2016 - 03:42 PM
    JX83

    Seeing more and more forester on the road. Look like it not unique anymore. Sianz


    Haiz.. Price also getting higher.. -.- getting more and more harder for me to get 1..
  • 14 April 2016 - 06:12 PM
    SJGDKK8

    Haiz.. Price also getting higher.. -.- getting more and more harder for me to get 1..

    Go write a few bad reviews lah


  • 15 April 2016 - 11:50 AM
    Joseph1978

    Haiz.. Price also getting higher.. -.- getting more and more harder for me to get 1..

    Latest LTA announcement, May-Jul 16 COE quota for Cat B has increased by about 20% when compare with last quarter i.e. previous monthly quota from 2417/month to new 2924/month. COE prices will soften but not quite sure about Forester, we're at the mercy of that Ah Seng
  • 15 April 2016 - 04:53 PM
    JX83

    Latest LTA announcement, May-Jul 16 COE quota for Cat B has increased by about 20% when compare with last quarter i.e. previous monthly quota from 2417/month to new 2924/month. COE prices will soften but not quite sure about Forester, we're at the mercy of that Ah Seng


    Ya saw the news these 3 months will release more papers.. Hopefully will soften abit the price lol..
  • 15 April 2016 - 05:51 PM
    Jthl

    wahahaah....

    I just written a review of the Forester [;)]


  • 15 April 2016 - 06:18 PM
    Pocus
    Guys relax, such reviews are aplenty in sgcarmart. You should go read the vezel or mazda 3 reviews, veey entertaining.

    Think most users are smart enough to know which review is worth their 2 cents.

    This bugger's probably just practicing his typing skills..


    EDIT: okay I kapo a bit to check his other reviews, he wrote rave reviews about the sienta. That a totally different type of car.

    Can roughly know his preference on cars, and its not SUVs.

    Edited by Pocus, 15 April 2016 - 06:30 PM.

  • 16 April 2016 - 01:28 AM
    JX83

    Guys relax, such reviews are aplenty in sgcarmart. You should go read the vezel or mazda 3 reviews, veey entertaining.

    Think most users are smart enough to know which review is worth their 2 cents.

    This bugger's probably just practicing his typing skills..


    EDIT: okay I kapo a bit to check his other reviews, he wrote rave reviews about the sienta. That a totally different type of car.

    Can roughly know his preference on cars, and its not SUVs.


    Haha ya sienta is a different type.. I am surprised he didn't wrote review on the Honda Freed last time since he is going for those smaller 7 seater car..
  • 16 April 2016 - 08:25 AM
    Ayuready

    Guys, any one have vibration or fluttering of lose item sound at the dash area when u drive at 90-100kmh

    I can't isolate it as my wife do not drive and I have hard time driving and identifying the source of the sound. Driving me mad as it is consistent as long as speed is 95 and above. Confirmed not related to any loose items around glove box etc.

    Anyone with similar experience?

    Went to MI and they took 2 days to rectify it.

    Hard to detect as I need to go one time with their technician at 95km to show them the sound. Quite a challenge given the traffic

    After that they took like 2 days to troubleshoot and fixed it. On the service chit, they show they refasten drivers eat, seat belt mount, b pillar, panels etc

    But sound is gone! Happy that they didn't trivialize the matter. I personally can accept rattling sound but was concern on speed induced sound. Glad to solve it
  • 16 April 2016 - 10:38 AM
    4orester
    From the Outback forum, it is mentioned the FXT memory seat module is locally fitted. So is it possible to install this module on FNA? And how much?
  • 17 April 2016 - 06:06 PM
    exhibitj

    Hi all, newbie to the Forester Forum, because I just purchased my 2015 FXT last week. Can't wait for the car to arrive.�

    Looking forward to learning from the bros here.�


  • 17 April 2016 - 09:25 PM
    SJGDKK8
    Any bro have installed sun shade on their Forester? If possible provide price and contact of workshop for sum shade installation?
  • 18 April 2016 - 08:58 AM
    Singtel88

    From the Outback forum, it is mentioned the FXT memory seat module is locally fitted. So is it possible to install this module on FNA? And how much?

    confirm is local fit.. When raw forester arrive in MI tpy i saw it.. the memory button is there ready to use, Leather is local fit. RIM and head unit they ship separately and assemble in singapore MI


    Hi all, newbie to the Forester Forum, because I just purchased my 2015 FXT last week. Can't wait for the car to arrive.�

    Looking forward to learning from the bros here.�

    Welcome come to forester family... overall is a fun car to drive in weekend and daily. I thought now forester made is MY2016.. motorimage still have 2015 stock?


  • 18 April 2016 - 10:11 AM
    BenTong

    confirm is local fit.. When raw forester arrive in MI tpy i saw it.. the memory button is there ready to use, Leather is local fit. RIM and head unit they ship separately and assemble in singapore MI


    Welcome come to forester family... overall is a fun car to drive in weekend and daily. I thought now forester made is MY2016.. motorimage still have 2015 stock?

    Memory module: any idea how to get it done if don't have?
  • 18 April 2016 - 11:33 AM
    razor54

    Hi all, newbie to the Forester Forum, because I just purchased my 2015 FXT last week. Can't wait for the car to arrive.
    Looking forward to learning from the bros here.

    Congrats on your purchase! Great car to drive.

    Did you get the facelifted 2016 model or the remaining 2015 models at a discounted price?
  • 18 April 2016 - 11:33 AM
    Red_ryder

    I'm collecting my FXT tomorrow, woohoo! I know there's a new car checklist in the forum somewhere. Any other tips the experienced bros have specific to Forester when taking over the car?�


  • 18 April 2016 - 11:35 AM
    razor54

    Any bro have installed sun shade on their Forester? If possible provide price and contact of workshop for sum shade installation?

    What kind of sun shades do you mean? Those snap on type?

    You don't mean solar film right?
  • 18 April 2016 - 12:42 PM
    Singtel88

    I'm collecting my FXT tomorrow, woohoo! I know there's a new car checklist in the forum somewhere. Any other tips the experienced bros have specific to Forester when taking over the car?

    The SE will have the check list
  • 18 April 2016 - 12:45 PM
    exhibitj

    confirm is local fit.. When raw forester arrive in MI tpy i saw it.. the memory button is there ready to use, Leather is local fit. RIM and head unit they ship separately and assemble in singapore MI


    Welcome come to forester family... overall is a fun car to drive in weekend and daily. I thought now forester made is MY2016.. motorimage still have 2015 stock?

    Yup, 2015 stock, MI clearing it at a discount, so I decided to get it instead of the facelift model. Saved me some $$$!
    When I got it, SE told me there were only a few units left, in blue and red only.
  • 18 April 2016 - 12:54 PM
    razor54

    I'm collecting my FXT tomorrow, woohoo! I know there's a new car checklist in the forum somewhere. Any other tips the experienced bros have specific to Forester when taking over the car?

    There is a checklist somewhere...but personally I did not use one during collection.

    It's always exciting on car collection day. If you have a good SE, he will make effort to go through the car with you in detail on their checklist. Anything not sure, just ask your SE on the spot during collection. Take your time and enjoy the moment. The car is under warranty, so no need to worry yourself unnecessarily. Just check the exterior, all the basic equipment and those items that was promised by the SE under the agreement.

    Then just drive out of the showroom with a big smile on your face...it's a great car.

    Edited by razor54, 18 April 2016 - 12:55 PM.

  • 18 April 2016 - 01:53 PM
    Singtel88

    I'm collecting my FXT tomorrow, woohoo! I know there's a new car checklist in the forum somewhere. Any other tips the experienced bros have specific to Forester when taking over the car?�

    Enjoy ur new car smell...


  • 18 April 2016 - 03:19 PM
    SJGDKK8

    What kind of sun shades do you mean? Those snap on type?

    You don't mean solar film right?

    I have seen some really nice ones, in BMW and Merc, think those are built in sun shades.

    The other day saw a Forester with those snap type sun shade... any idea where to get those?


  • 18 April 2016 - 03:37 PM
    razor54

    I have seen some really nice ones, in BMW and Merc, think those are built in sun shades.
    The other day saw a Forester with those snap type sun shade... any idea where to get those?

    I guess you are talking about either Laser Shades or Groovy Shades. Those are the ones customised to fit your windows exactly. Laser shades uses magnets to secure the shades to the top of your windows and Groovy Shades uses clips on the window frame.

    Can look up Carousell for contacts. I think it's by asc customed shades or something like that.

    Currently no Laser Shades for Forester, only Groovy Shades. Laser shades' shipment will be in May.

    Edited by razor54, 18 April 2016 - 04:06 PM.

  • 18 April 2016 - 03:50 PM
    BenTong

    I have seen some really nice ones, in BMW and Merc, think those are built in sun shades.
    The other day saw a Forester with those snap type sun shade... any idea where to get those?

    Apparently MI sells too.. Ask your SE. Not sure about costs though.
  • 18 April 2016 - 03:50 PM
    SJGDKK8

    I guess you are talking about either Laser Shades or Groovy Shades. Those are the ones customised to fit your windows exactly. Laser shades uses magnets to secure the shades to the top of your windows and Groovy Shades uses clips on the window free.

    Can look up Carousell for contacts. I think it's by asc customed shades or something like that.

    Currently no Laser Shades for Forester, only Groovy Shades. Laser shades' shipment will be in May

    Thanks for the information bro... I will definitely be getting those...


  • 18 April 2016 - 04:10 PM
    razor54

    Apparently MI sells too.. Ask your SE. Not sure about costs though.

    You have any idea what type of shades MI is carrying? Level 4?
  • 18 April 2016 - 04:23 PM
    BenTong

    You have any idea what type of shades MI is carrying? Level 4?

    No idea bro. Just heard they do..

    MI MY sells the groovy shades

    Edited by BenTong, 18 April 2016 - 04:23 PM.

  • 18 April 2016 - 04:51 PM
    SJGDKK8

    No idea bro. Just heard they do..

    MI MY sells the groovy shades

    I google and contacted the guy doing Groovy shades in Singapore, he quote $180 including installation for Forester


  • 18 April 2016 - 05:01 PM
    SJGDKK8

    Guys, for $180 6 piece - �laser shade or groovy shades, which will you choose for your forester?


  • 18 April 2016 - 06:23 PM
    Wahtk

    Hi folks,

    Got the Forester XT recently, and looking through the MI website, and under drosucts, they have slotted disk brakes and Broquet products. Do you guys think its worth it to upgrade the breaks for the Forester and also anyone tried the Broquet on the Forester XT and actually got better mileage?

    Thanks.


  • 18 April 2016 - 06:38 PM
    razor54

    Guys, for $180 6 piece - laser shade or groovy shades, which will you choose for your forester?

    Personally, I will choose Laser Shades with the 2 magnets on top. It is more neat when you remove the shades, unlike the Groovy Shades with clips taped to the window frame. It's faster to put up when needed too, not to mention easier for my kids behind to do it themselves.
  • 18 April 2016 - 06:50 PM
    Fannz

    Yup, 2015 stock, MI clearing it at a discount, so I decided to get it instead of the facelift model. Saved me some $$$!
    When I got it, SE told me there were only a few units left, in blue and red only.

    When did u order and how much cheaper if possible to share? Thanks
  • 18 April 2016 - 07:29 PM
    Tohto

    Apparently MI sells too.. Ask your SE. Not sure about costs though.


    Yes. MI have it.
    My brother got directly from MI for his XT.
  • 18 April 2016 - 07:57 PM
    DANNYLUM

    Hi all Forester fans here,

    Need your help to understand the Turbo part of the Forester.

    I have been going around the showrooms to test drive new cars for the last few months.

    Very interested in the Subaru Forester. Tested both the NA and XT version. �

    After reading forums and comments, got the idea that the Turbo only cuts in at around 3200 rpm.

    Does this means that practically the Turbo function will not be used most of the time when driving in�

    Singapore ? As most of the time my current car seldom reached / stays at above 3000 rpm.

    Kindly helps me to clear this doubt as I am quite interested in the Forester, especially the XT version.

    Thank you in advance.


  • 18 April 2016 - 08:16 PM
    BenTong

    Yes. MI have it.
    My brother got directly from MI for his XT.

    Which brand and costs?
  • 18 April 2016 - 08:48 PM
    Tohto

    Hi all Forester fans here,

    Need your help to understand the Turbo part of the Forester.

    I have been going around the showrooms to test drive new cars for the last few months.

    Very interested in the Subaru Forester. Tested both the NA and XT version. �

    After reading forums and comments, got the idea that the Turbo only cuts in at around 3200 rpm.

    Does this means that practically the Turbo function will not be used most of the time when driving in�

    Singapore ? As most of the time my current car seldom reached / stays at above 3000 rpm.

    Kindly helps me to clear this doubt as I am quite interested in the Forester, especially the XT version.

    Thank you in advance.

    You are reading a review that had all the false information..likely the reviewer plug the number from the air... or maybe he is a SE from competitor brand.

    Based on the XT torque curve, at 1.5k rpm, it produce about 250Nm. At 2k rpm it produce about 300Nm and max torque of 350Nm from 2.4k rpm to 3.6k rpm. The torque at 1.5k rpm already much higher than all others 2.0L NA SUV max torque.

    Go test drive yourself to feel it.


  • 18 April 2016 - 09:44 PM
    razor54

    Yes. MI have it.
    My brother got directly from MI for his XT.

    I'm also interested to know the brand/type and cost...
  • 18 April 2016 - 09:58 PM
    Tohto

    I'm also interested to know the brand/type and cost...

    I will check with my brother and get back..


  • 18 April 2016 - 10:00 PM
    razor54

    Hi all Forester fans here,

    Need your help to understand the Turbo part of the Forester.

    I have been going around the showrooms to test drive new cars for the last few months.

    Very interested in the Subaru Forester. Tested both the NA and XT version.

    After reading forums and comments, got the idea that the Turbo only cuts in at around 3200 rpm.

    Does this means that practically the Turbo function will not be used most of the time when driving in
    Singapore ? As most of the time my current car seldom reached / stays at above 3000 rpm.

    Kindly helps me to clear this doubt as I am quite interested in the Forester, especially the XT version.

    Thank you in advance.

    If you are testing the XT, most likely you tested it in 'i' mode by default when you started the engine. It will keep rpm in the lower range (around 1600rpm) under normal light footed driving to balance power and economy. Power is there but much more linear in delivery.

    Switching to 'S' mode will keep the rpm closer to 2000rpm under normal driving. Depress the accelerator further and you will feel the surge from the turbo starting to flex a bit more. Pass 3000rpm, and the pull will get much more pronounce till pass 4000rpm.

    I did not test 'S#' mode much because engine still running in. But can feel the rpm holding to much higher ranges in the tachometer before changing to the next 'gear'. You will also notice the simulated 8 gears indicator appearing on the screen. Power is always at the peak rpm ready to be unleashed anytime.

    But do not expect to be thrown to the seat back from the turbo in the XT. I don't think it was mapped to perform that way in the XT. Moreover, we are talking about a SUV here. But the addictive pull from the turbo at the right rpm should make you forget that you are in a SUV that only cost slightly more than $100k in Singapore context with 240hp and 350nm of torque from its twin scroll turbo (which produces the useful torque at a lower rpm than other typical bigger turbos).

    Time for another test drive perhaps?

    :)
  • 18 April 2016 - 10:52 PM
    Newkid

    Hi all Forester fans here,

    Need your help to understand the Turbo part of the Forester.

    I have been going around the showrooms to test drive new cars for the last few months.

    Very interested in the Subaru Forester. Tested both the NA and XT version. �

    After reading forums and comments, got the idea that the Turbo only cuts in at around 3200 rpm.

    Does this means that practically the Turbo function will not be used most of the time when driving in�

    Singapore ? As most of the time my current car seldom reached / stays at above 3000 rpm.

    Kindly helps me to clear this doubt as I am quite interested in the Forester, especially the XT version.

    Thank you in advance.

    Hi newbie, don't believe everything you read horrrr, especially from another newbie. Best is go test drive yourself and share with us your impression after that, especially the part about turbo cut in after 3200rpm.


  • 18 April 2016 - 11:05 PM
    Sarion

    Hi folks,

    Got the Forester XT recently, and looking through the MI website, and under drosucts, they have slotted disk brakes and Broquet products. Do you guys think its worth it to upgrade the breaks for the Forester and also anyone tried the Broquet on the Forester XT and actually got better mileage?

    Thanks.

    dun waste ur money on this. if you want better braking power, upgrade to sports tyres like CSC5 or Goodyear AS2 (or 3 when they make the suitable size) or similar.

    when brake pads are done after 40k km, get some STI pads.

    that will be sufficient.


  • 19 April 2016 - 07:55 AM
    Jaris32

    Personally, I will choose Laser Shades with the 2 magnets on top. It is more neat when you remove the shades, unlike the Groovy Shades with clips taped to the window frame. It's faster to put up when needed too, not to mention easier for my kids behind to do it themselves.

    For 2015/2016 Forester

    Laser Shades: 6 pieces for $180

    � � � � � � � � � � � � 7 pieces for $250

    No moonroof piece available

    Group buy 5 sets: Less $10 per set

    Available in Mid May

    Wanna?


  • 19 April 2016 - 08:10 AM
    razor54

    For 2015/2016 Forester

    Laser Shades: 6 pieces for $180
    7 pieces for $250

    No moonroof piece available

    Group buy 5 sets: Less $10 per set

    Available in Mid May

    Wanna?

    Yes, interested. Where are you getting the Laser Shades from? Because I've also pre-ordered one set from a local dealer. But if can save $10 from a group buy, why not...
  • 19 April 2016 - 08:18 AM
    Jaris32

    Yes, interested. Where are you getting the Laser Shades from? Because I've also pre-ordered one set from a local dealer. But if can save $10 from a group buy, why not...

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  • 19 April 2016 - 09:20 AM
    razor54

    Yes, interested. Where are you getting the Laser Shades from? Because I've also pre-ordered one set from a local dealer. But if can save $10 from a group buy, why not...

    Ok, count me in the group buy for the Forester Laser Shades. Once you have 5 buyers, can private message me for confirmation. I will then cancel my pre-order from my dealer.

    Thanks!
  • 19 April 2016 - 12:34 PM
    newbie12345

    For 2015/2016 Forester

    Laser Shades: 6 pieces for $180
    7 pieces for $250

    No moonroof piece available

    Group buy 5 sets: Less $10 per set

    Available in Mid May

    Wanna?

    Got pics? Im interested as i have no idea of what a laser shades. Will google.

    Edited by newbie12345, 19 April 2016 - 12:36 PM.

  • 19 April 2016 - 02:36 PM
    Jetteo

    Count me in for the laser shades as well.� [:)]


  • 19 April 2016 - 04:30 PM
    DANNYLUM

    You are reading a review that had all the false information..likely the reviewer plug the number from the air... or maybe he is a SE from competitor brand.

    Based on the XT torque curve, at 1.5k rpm, it produce about 250Nm. At 2k rpm it produce about 300Nm and max torque of 350Nm from 2.4k rpm to 3.6k rpm. The torque at 1.5k rpm already much higher than all others 2.0L NA SUV max torque.

    Go test drive yourself to feel it.

    Sorry, don't know how to properly make a quote and reply earlier. �How to reply all responses in one post ?

    Thanks for the detailed explanation of the torque performance. �Understand how torque is delivered now.

    Actually make blur by some youtube reviews. �Like this one, it says there is a turbo lag and obvious power only comes in at around

    3000 rpm.

    � � - � �14:46 min

    Anyway, now better take advice from actual owners here.

    Thanks.


    Edited by DANNYLUM, 19 April 2016 - 04:39 PM.

  • 19 April 2016 - 04:54 PM
    DANNYLUM

    If you are testing the XT, most likely you tested it in 'i' mode by default when you started the engine. It will keep rpm in the lower range (around 1600rpm) under normal light footed driving to balance power and economy. Power is there but much more linear in delivery.

    Switching to 'S' mode will keep the rpm closer to 2000rpm under normal driving. Depress the accelerator further and you will feel the surge from the turbo starting to flex a bit more. Pass 3000rpm, and the pull will get much more pronounce till pass 4000rpm.

    I did not test 'S#' mode much because engine still running in. But can feel the rpm holding to much higher ranges in the tachometer before changing to the next 'gear'. You will also notice the simulated 8 gears indicator appearing on the screen. Power is always at the peak rpm ready to be unleashed anytime.

    But do not expect to be thrown to the seat back from the turbo in the XT. I don't think it was mapped to perform that way in the XT. Moreover, we are talking about a SUV here. But the addictive pull from the turbo at the right rpm should make you forget that you are in a SUV that only cost slightly more than $100k in Singapore context with 240hp and 350nm of torque from its twin scroll turbo (which produces the useful torque at a lower rpm than other typical bigger turbos).

    Time for another test drive perhaps?

    :)

    Thank you for the explanation. �Now got better understanding of the power performance of the Forester.

    After test drive quite a few cars, still don't know which is the best.

    Each one got their own merit.

    Qashqai (2.0 L), �Tucson , Forester etc.�

    Main thing about the forester is the torque and hp, and the panaromic all round view. Interior is not so nice as the other 2.


    Hi newbie, don't believe everything you read horrrr, especially from another newbie. Best is go test drive yourself and share with us your impression after that, especially the part about turbo cut in after 3200rpm.

    Hi, and, yes, thanks for the advice.�

    Better take advice from actual owners here.


  • 19 April 2016 - 04:55 PM
    Macrosszero

    Just to point out that the FXT is currently going at $125,800 - it is not the segment bargain that it used to be. With COE hovering at the $46-47k level since March, their prices have increased by a whopping $7000!


  • 19 April 2016 - 07:01 PM
    JohnSHL

    dun waste ur money on this. if you want better braking power, upgrade to sports tyres like CSC5 or Goodyear AS2 (or 3 when they make the suitable size) or similar.

    when brake pads are done after 40k km, get some STI pads.

    that will be sufficient.

    agreed, except for the part abt sti pads [lipsrsealed]� there are other options out there.


  • 19 April 2016 - 10:05 PM
    Sarion

    agreed, except for the part abt sti pads [lipsrsealed]� there are other options out there.

    cos if dun get STi pads from MI�but others like DIXCEL M Type or ACRE SuperFighter�or ENDLESS SSM, not sure if will void warranty mah...


  • 19 April 2016 - 10:24 PM
    Cosmicclaw

    Just to point out that the FXT is currently going at $125,800 - it is not the segment bargain that it used to be. With COE hovering at the $46-47k level since March, their prices have increased by a whopping $7000!

    Demand and Supply......and make hay whilst the sun shine for MI� [:p]


  • 19 April 2016 - 10:29 PM
    Tohto

    Just to point out that the FXT is currently going at $125,800 - it is not the segment bargain that it used to be. With COE hovering at the $46-47k level since March, their prices have increased by a whopping $7000!


    Good. Higher price, less people buy. Less on the road.
  • 19 April 2016 - 11:03 PM
    Cosmicclaw

    Good. Higher price, less people buy. Less on the road.


    Too late liao ....practically every car park or a few minutes on the road, you can see a FNA or FXT.
  • 19 April 2016 - 11:16 PM
    Tohto

    Too late liao ....practically every car park or a few minutes on the road, you can see a FNA or FXT.


    Not yet like a Vezel lah.
    At least my mscp still don't have yet..
  • 19 April 2016 - 11:43 PM
    4orester

    For 2015/2016 Forester

    Laser Shades: 6 pieces for $180
    7 pieces for $250

    No moonroof piece available

    Group buy 5 sets: Less $10 per set

    Available in Mid May

    Wanna?

    What is the 7th piece for? Moonroof?
  • 19 April 2016 - 11:52 PM
    LPPL

    Thank you for the explanation. �Now got better understanding of the power performance of the Forester.

    After test drive quite a few cars, still don't know which is the best.

    Each one got their own merit.

    Qashqai (2.0 L), �Tucson , Forester etc.�

    Main thing about the forester is the torque and hp, and the panaromic all round view. Interior is not so nice as the other 2.


    Hi, and, yes, thanks for the advice.�

    Better take advice from actual owners here.

    I think the forester is a smart-looking car, and very much a no-nonsense car like the landrover. The turbo version of the forester and its 4wd offroad/onroad performance will blow the qashqai 2.0 and tucson away by a far margin. ��


    Edited by LPPL, 19 April 2016 - 11:53 PM.

  • 20 April 2016 - 12:10 AM
    Jaris32

    What is the 7th piece for? Moonroof?

    Rear windscreen
  • 20 April 2016 - 12:24 AM
    JX83

    Good. Higher price, less people buy. Less on the road.


    Don't like that ah higher price I can't get liao.. Haha.. I not greedy la drop to 100+k can already.. Lol
  • 20 April 2016 - 02:25 AM
    JohnSHL

    cos if dun get STi pads from MI�but others like DIXCEL M Type or ACRE SuperFighter�or ENDLESS SSM, not sure if will void warranty mah...

    ask MI if must pump Subaru-branded petrol n Subaru-branded air in order to avoid warranty issues [laugh]


  • 20 April 2016 - 07:20 AM
    Jaris32

    Count me in for the laser shades as well.� [:)]

    Ok we have 4 cars keen now:

    jaris32

    razor54

    sfym

    jetteo


  • 20 April 2016 - 08:19 AM
    Tohto

    Apparently MI sells too.. Ask your SE. Not sure about costs though.

    The window shadefrom MI is under MotorImage brand. 6 pieces at $180. With manget and can wind down window with shade in place
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