Thứ Sáu, 30 tháng 12, 2016

2015 Forester 2.0 part 44

  • 13 June 2016 - 10:51 PM
    Muser

    subaru's response about grace note.

    Thank you for contacting Subaru of America, Inc. We appreciate you taking time out of your day to contact us.

    The Gracenote database is designed to be upgradeable by a Subaru retailer technician; this function is not designed for a customer to use.

    Although we don't currently have an available Gracenote update for your 2015 Legacy, our engineers are looking into the possibility of offering this type of update in the near future.

    Thanks for the opportunity to be of assistance.

    You wrote to them? I know this topic has cropped up on various Subaru forums around the world, including Legacygt.com, but I've yet to Google a solution. Other makes like Toyota have posted Gracenote updates but I doubt they are compatible. Maybe I'll write Gracenote directly. I think I might even have an old business card somewhere if I can find it on my messy desk.

    I don't think I'd want a Gracenote update from SOA (Subaru of America), but from Subaru in China. Do you think an American Gracenote update would include Chinese album info?
  • 13 June 2016 - 10:58 PM
    BenTong

    You wrote to them? I know this topic has cropped up on various Subaru forums around the world, including Legacygt.com, but I've yet to Google a solution. Other makes like Toyota have posted Gracenote updates but I doubt they are compatible. Maybe I'll write Gracenote directly. I think I might even have an old business card somewhere if I can find it on my messy desk.

    I don't think I'd want a Gracenote update from SOA (Subaru of America), but from Subaru in China. Do you think an American Gracenote update would include Chinese album info?

    I asked Uncle goo gle too
  • 13 June 2016 - 11:00 PM
    Muser

    I asked Uncle goo gle too

    Cheh, no wonder that info looked familiar.
  • 13 June 2016 - 11:10 PM
    BenTong

    Cheh, no wonder that info looked familiar.

    Great minds think alike
  • 13 June 2016 - 11:16 PM
    Summer_s1
    Just a question to ask.
    If install blow off valve only. And not changing anything else.
    Does it do more good to turbo or more harm to the turbo?
  • 13 June 2016 - 11:31 PM
    shev88
    Just curious only, is impossible to buy forester without the racks? Anyone has any idea?
  • 14 June 2016 - 12:26 AM
    thefalcon

    FXT price up by 6k to 133K as of today's MI webpage. Bookings gonna slow down for sure. Got to be patient then.

    Price list since 27May16, attached.�

    Since last 2 Saturday, Subaru no longer advertise Forester on Straits Time. Does it mean Ex-stock is sold out?

    Attached Files


    Edited by thefalcon, 14 June 2016 - 12:30 AM.

  • 14 June 2016 - 12:51 AM
    signer4

    Will Forester 2017 come to SG next year? Just saw some youtube videos of Forester 2017, but not sure if legit and whether the 2017 version is a FXT.


  • 14 June 2016 - 06:46 AM
    Rachdanom

    Price list since 27May16, attached.

    Since last 2 Saturday, Subaru no longer advertise Forester on Straits Time. Does it mean Ex-stock is sold out?

    By early June all Forester ex stock sold out liao.

    Edited by Rachdanom, 14 June 2016 - 06:46 AM.

  • 14 June 2016 - 08:51 AM
    Tryxx

    Hello,

    I'm new to the forum, have a Forester 2.0 bought end of last year. Thinking of putting in new solar film and doing some soundproofing (the road and wind noise a bit loud). Looked around, found many solar film, not sure which is good. Also dunno where to do soundproofing for Forester. Any good recommendations? thanks!!


  • 14 June 2016 - 08:57 AM
    wheelogist

    Yah I think I see more and more forester 森�人 on the road

    Imho, the forester has a more lasting and solid look than vezel.
  • 14 June 2016 - 09:39 AM
    Swaku

    Hello,

    I'm new to the forum, have a Forester 2.0 bought end of last year. Thinking of putting in new solar film and doing some soundproofing (the road and wind noise a bit loud). Looked around, found many solar film, not sure which is good. Also dunno where to do soundproofing for Forester. Any good recommendations?

    I was recommended by fellow owners to go to Zen for window film. Their package price for Forester including sun roof is $430. Workmanship is pretty good and most importantly, their film is decent.

    My�old car's film (think it's Rike Cool)�compared to my 2 colleague's Latio stock film was already quite good. I find the Zen one even better than my old car's film.

    When I was at Zen, another Forester was there too and he had the stock film provided by MI.�He was there to replace the stock film with Zen's. Zen boss took the Forester stock film and folded it to�give a double layer and put it under a lamp to test the heat. The heat rejection was quite bad. The single layer Zen film cuts more heat�under the same lamp. Zen contact number is 98459289 (Jimmy).���


  • 14 June 2016 - 09:41 AM
    SUV-Lover

    Imho, the forester has a more lasting and solid look than vezel.

    I agreed. How can Vezel be compared to Forester. Different class.�


  • 14 June 2016 - 10:45 AM
    Tohto

    I agreed. How can Vezel be compared to Forester. Different class.

    Vezel supporter will tell you Vezel is Honda.
    While Forester is Subaru, a Ah Meng/Seng car...
  • 14 June 2016 - 10:54 AM
    Davidtch

    Hello,

    I'm new to the forum, have a Forester 2.0 bought end of last year. Thinking of putting in new solar film and doing some soundproofing (the road and wind noise a bit loud). Looked around, found many solar film, not sure which is good. Also dunno where to do soundproofing for Forester. Any good recommendations? thanks!!

    I recommend Infratint.� Infratint done up my previous 2 cars.

    There is 1 flim which i can't rem the name now.� It is a clear flim that reject 90+% IR (source of heat in car) but 50% clarity.� For new car, u can keep it for 3 years before inspection.


  • 14 June 2016 - 11:25 AM
    WML888

    Vezel supporter will tell you Vezel is Honda.
    While Forester is Subaru, a Ah Meng/Seng car...

    I heard Vezel scores better in FC.

    FXT scores better in BHP/Torque.

    Which one suit your needs (and the 'animal' inside you... )�?


  • 14 June 2016 - 11:31 AM
    BenTong
    Vezel vs FXT

    (1) both are cars
    (2) both made in Japan
    (3) one always sees the other car's butt
    (4) in MY FXT always like to park next to a Honda
    (5) In MY FXT get scratch, Vezel don't..
  • 14 June 2016 - 11:32 AM
    Muser

    Hello,

    I'm new to the forum, have a Forester 2.0 bought end of last year. Thinking of putting in new solar film and doing some soundproofing (the road and wind noise a bit loud). Looked around, found many solar film, not sure which is good. Also dunno where to do soundproofing for Forester. Any good recommendations? thanks!!

    MI does soundproofing (which doubles as heat insulation) for all Subaru models, FYI. It isn't cheap - was quoted $1,150 for four doors plus roof for a Legacy - but, depending on how important soundproofing is to you, it might be worth it. A quiet cabin naturally give a more premium feel, zens you out in traffic, and of course lets you enjoy your music more, which is why I'm still considering it. Do let us know if you manage to find a cheaper quote elsewhere.


  • 14 June 2016 - 11:33 AM
    BenTong

    I recommend Infratint. Infratint done up my previous 2 cars.

    There is 1 flim which i can't rem the name now. It is a clear flim that reject 90+% IR (source of heat in car) but 50% clarity. For new car, u can keep it for 3 years before inspection.

    3 years inspection or when kena stopped by TP whichever is earlier..
  • 14 June 2016 - 11:41 AM
    BenTong

    Will not kenna from TP as it is cleared film. Our eye will not be able to tell the diff btw 50% and 75%

    Unfortunately yours sincerely kena...
  • 15 June 2016 - 10:04 PM
    Tohto

    May I know which package did you take up from ZenCool? I trust that you have done comparison with others and believe ZenCool is value for money compared to those double the price.

    Appreciate your advise. Thanks.


    For Forester, $430 will give the best package already.
  • 16 June 2016 - 08:11 AM
    Rayleigh

    What I like about Subaru's AWD doesn't require breaking traction to enjoy. The handling simply feels more precise and predictable when driving fast (but within speed limits), compared to many FWD and RWD cars I've driven. It's about confidence-inspiring poise, and steering accuracy.

    And when you do break traction, I've got to give credit to the electronics. VDC (Vehicle Dynamics Control) and active torque vectoring compensate for both understeer (FWD prob) and oversteer (RWD prob) to keep you on your line, and this comes with all Subaru models I know of except the XV. Many cars comes with smart traction control these days, but traction control is inherently more effective when you have more wheels to distribute power to.

    Of course, there are those who say that AWD is boring precisely because it's so safe. And I have a buddy who excels at RWD throttle steering, which you can't do with AWD - at least not in the same way. But my needs are different, so give me boringly safe and predictable any day, please, thank you very much.

    Think XV comes with VDC except active torque vectoring.
  • 16 June 2016 - 12:48 PM
    mrhan1982

    Went to MI TPY for some touch up paint due to paint chips from flying stones... End up took up the Clasani undercarridge coating. damage is $290. SA mentioned a lot of ppl took up the coating and it can prevent rust and improve sound insulation from road noise a bit. I sorta buy into his sales pitch. lol. Offset with $8000 DUO points ($50 off) ,end up paying $260 (after gst).

    On my way home via PIE towards changi, I kinda feel that the road noise seemed a little more muffled? Or maybe its just my imagination? anyway, they pasted 2 stickers on the boot window to indicate coating was done...

    Any bros did the coating? Any feedback?


    I received an invitation for new owner workshop for next sun (25 Jun), Anyone going? I should expect a lot of new forester owners since i saw the collection room filled with foresters of various colours!�

    Is the workshop useful? Anyone went already?


  • 16 June 2016 - 01:32 PM
    Icarus

    Went to MI TPY for some touch up paint due to paint chips from flying stones... End up took up the Clasani undercarridge coating. damage is $290. SA mentioned a lot of ppl took up the coating and it can prevent rust and improve sound insulation from road noise a bit. I sorta buy into his sales pitch. lol. Offset with $8000 DUO points ($50 off) ,end up paying $260 (after gst).

    On my way home via PIE towards changi, I kinda feel that the road noise seemed a little more muffled? Or maybe its just my imagination? anyway, they pasted 2 stickers on the boot window to indicate coating was done...

    Any bros did the coating? Any feedback?


    I received an invitation for new owner workshop for next sun (25 Jun), Anyone going? I should expect a lot of new forester owners since i saw the collection room filled with foresters of various colours!�

    Is the workshop useful? Anyone went already?

    I am going for the 25th Jun session.�

    On a side note - what exactly is done for the undercarriage coating? did they spray something on it? How long will the coating last?


  • 16 June 2016 - 01:48 PM
    Rachdanom

    Went to MI TPY for some touch up paint due to paint chips from flying stones... End up took up the Clasani undercarridge coating. damage is $290. SA mentioned a lot of ppl took up the coating and it can prevent rust and improve sound insulation from road noise a bit. I sorta buy into his sales pitch. lol. Offset with $8000 DUO points ($50 off) ,end up paying $260 (after gst).

    On my way home via PIE towards changi, I kinda feel that the road noise seemed a little more muffled? Or maybe its just my imagination? anyway, they pasted 2 stickers on the boot window to indicate coating was done...

    Any bros did the coating? Any feedback?

    I received an invitation for new owner workshop for next sun (25 Jun), Anyone going? I should expect a lot of new forester owners since i saw the collection room filled with foresters of various colours!

    Is the workshop useful? Anyone went already?


    MI touch up for you or you bought touch up paint from them? Any dents? FoC?

    I seen those touch up pens at Autobacs and supermarts, how do those fare compared to letting MI do it... Just like to know in case it happens to me. Think the rest can learn too.
  • 16 June 2016 - 02:42 PM
    mrhan1982

    I am going for the 25th Jun session.�

    On a side note - what exactly is done for the undercarriage coating? did they spray something on it? How long will the coating last?

    They spray a kind of foam with will harden to become a semi-flexible rubbery coating.

    �supposed to last as long as lifetime of vehicle if its not damage by sharp objects or extreme weather conditions such as winter.


    MI touch up for you or you bought touch up paint from them? Any dents? FoC?

    I seen those touch up pens at Autobacs and supermarts, how do those fare compared to letting MI do it... Just like to know in case it happens to me. Think the rest can learn too.

    Mine only 3 paint chips no dents. They don't sell the touch up paint. They only do for u FOC,�

    The touch up done by MI not fantastic. colour slightly off too. But the SA did warn me before doing. I agreed to that. It still beats better than not doing where I scared the chipped spot will expand lol...


  • 16 June 2016 - 03:45 PM
    Jthl

    Hold your front windshield mist spray for more than 2 seconds. The headlamp washers will pop out to wash your headlamps too.�

    i think NA dont have this function. My wife said "Nothing pop out"


  • 16 June 2016 - 05:26 PM
    Icarus

    i think NA dont have this function. My wife said "Nothing pop out"

    My 2016 FNA confirm has that... you try holding the water lever longer.�


  • 16 June 2016 - 06:23 PM
    Rayleigh

    i think NA dont have this function. My wife said "Nothing pop out"

    Eat more oyster
  • 16 June 2016 - 06:38 PM
    Jamesgetz

    i think NA dont have this function. My wife said "Nothing pop out"

    IRC, your headlamps need to be turned on for the headlamp�washer to be activated.�


  • 16 June 2016 - 08:19 PM
    Rachdanom

    1 week old owner. �Just learnt today that when I walk up to car with key fob the interior lights turn on. �Was telling my wife last 2 times I saw the lights on that we forgot to lock the car...haha. �Kinda cool.


  • 16 June 2016 - 10:22 PM
    Jamesgetz

    1 week old owner. Just learnt today that when I walk up to car with key fob the interior lights turn on. Was telling my wife last 2 times I saw the lights on that we forgot to lock the car...haha. Kinda cool.


    Yup. find this feature super cool too

    1 tip for those who washes their own car. If you carry the key with you while washing the car, water splashes and soap suds on the front door handles can trigger the car to lock and unlock. To overcome this, leave the key inside the car. The car will chime and not lock becos it senses the key is inside the car
  • 16 June 2016 - 10:49 PM
    Jthl

    My 2016 FNA confirm has that... you try holding the water lever longer.�

    kk...will try again...


    IRC, your headlamps need to be turned on for the headlamp�washer to be activated.�

    k. thanks


    Eat more oyster


    :slow:


  • 17 June 2016 - 06:57 AM
    Slowcat
    Re soundproofing ... I am told that STP slabs is about 1 kg each. Add 3 to each door when soundproof. So will increase weight of car. Add floor padding etc etc .. hv to compromise with higher weight of car
  • 17 June 2016 - 07:04 AM
    swong19

    If we are on the road driving, and for whatever reason press the start/ stop button, will the engine cut out?�

    Yup. find this feature super cool too

    1 tip for those who washes their own car. If you carry the key with you while washing the car, water splashes and soap suds on the front door handles can trigger the car to lock and unlock. To overcome this, leave the key inside the car. The car will chime and not lock becos it senses the key is inside the car


  • 17 June 2016 - 07:13 AM
    BenTong
    Let me share something that is ironic. I once bought a management car from MI. Those car they registered themselves and probably driven by management. I went for servicing and they also strongly recommended the anti rust thingy.

    I asked them how come you didn't do for your own car? The SA gave a "look" ...


    I believe the anti rust does work but think they also know its not a "real need". Useful for those I believe who likes to drive on the beach and kena exposed to salt water.

    Edited by BenTong, 17 June 2016 - 07:18 AM.

  • 17 June 2016 - 08:24 AM
    WML888

    Let me share something that is ironic. I once bought a management car from MI. Those car they registered themselves and probably driven by management. I went for servicing and they also strongly recommended the anti rust thingy.

    I asked them how come you didn't do for your own car? The SA gave a "look" ...


    I believe the anti rust does work but think they also know its not a "real need". Useful for those I believe who likes to drive on the beach and kena exposed to salt water.

    May be that time 'anti rusty' spray technology not common yet or too expensive to launch.�

    How long ago ?


  • 17 June 2016 - 08:29 AM
    Slowcat

    I tested also but does not work.

    Suspect that the person with the working HU is actually having a more up-to-date firmware.

    Maybe, can see if Fuji-Ten or MI can flash our HUs to that version.

    Hi, The dude here with the chinese filenames shown.�

    My version is same as yours:

    20160616_083550_zpsh4qwee54.jpg


  • 17 June 2016 - 08:33 AM
    BenTong

    May be that time 'anti rusty' spray technology not common yet or too expensive to launch.
    How long ago ?

    Anti rust pretty old tech.

    Btw was 3 years ago..I still did it coz I go off road pretty often...
  • 17 June 2016 - 08:43 AM
    jg2000

    Hi, The dude here with the chinese filenames shown.�

    My version is same as yours:

    20160616_083550_zpsh4qwee54.jpg

    Maybe what is required is not the Gracenote version to be same but the version of the main HU software has to be same as the HU that is successful with Chinese display?

    If HU software already same version and still not working, perhaps is because the one that can display Chinese has the Chinese language pack/font installed while the one not working does not have required language pack/fonts?

    Main thing perhaps can attempt is for someone to bring a USB with Chinese titled songs to try on the showroom/test car and confirm can display, and then show the MI service staff that the owner's own car cannot display.

    Then see if can consider as covered under the warranty for MI to fix for free.


    Edited by jg2000, 17 June 2016 - 08:46 AM.

  • 17 June 2016 - 08:57 AM
    jg2000

    Let me share something that is ironic. I once bought a management car from MI. Those car they registered themselves and probably driven by management. I went for servicing and they also strongly recommended the anti rust thingy.

    I asked them how come you didn't do for your own car? The SA gave a "look" ...


    I believe the anti rust does work but think they also know its not a "real need". Useful for those I believe who likes to drive on the beach and kena exposed to salt water.

    There was a need in the past.� I remember my parent's generation time, the cars can actually rust under the paint.

    Nowadays, the steel, without the paint, is already protected to some extent through galvanisation - i.e. a coating of another metal that will protect the steel surface and also sacrifiice/oxidise itself first before the steel will rust.

    So in normal city use no need rust proofing.

    For use outside of city or in winter countries where they throw salt on the roads to melt the ice, not sure how well the galvanisation can protect against rust.

    If go to beach or off-road, with or without rust proofing, most important is still to do a good wash to get rid of the dirt/salt etc.


  • 17 June 2016 - 10:13 AM
    Icarus

    1 week old owner. �Just learnt today that when I walk up to car with key fob the interior lights turn on. �Was telling my wife last 2 times I saw the lights on that we forgot to lock the car...haha. �Kinda cool.

    I never noticed this... maybe its because i always park in the open.�

    What if you walked up to the car and walked away without unlocking?�


  • 17 June 2016 - 10:42 AM
    Cboonh

    I never noticed this... maybe its because i always park in the open.�

    What if you walked up to the car and walked away without unlocking?�

    It'll auto dim after a few seconds~

    Quite a nice touch!

    There are aftermarket puddle lights options can tap to this circuit for added omph!

    Nice and practical. �:D


  • 17 June 2016 - 10:56 AM
    Cboonh

    There was a need in the past.� I remember my parent's generation time, the cars can actually rust under the paint.

    Nowadays, the steel, without the paint, is already protected to some extent through galvanisation - i.e. a coating of another metal that will protect the steel surface and also sacrifiice/oxidise itself first before the steel will rust.

    So in normal city use no need rust proofing.

    For use outside of city or in winter countries where they throw salt on the roads to melt the ice, not sure how well the galvanisation can protect against rust.

    If go to beach or off-road, with or without rust proofing, most important is still to do a good wash to get rid of the dirt/salt etc.

    Tend to agree with you. Manufacturing tech and quality has come a long long way. I would think that the metal surface come with some level of rust protection. Having said that, the metal is only protected if the covering material (paint or manufacturing process) is intact... the under carriage is prone to more abuse than the sides of the car, so higher chance of the protective layer coming off... stone chipping it off for instance.

    So the rust protection may not be a bad thing. Hearsay that the other +ve side effect includes improved sound insulation. :D

    I personally would not do it... how long are we renting owning the car for again?� [laugh][laugh]


  • 17 June 2016 - 11:02 AM
    Rachdanom

    There was a need in the past. I remember my parent's generation time, the cars can actually rust under the paint.
    Nowadays, the steel, without the paint, is already protected to some extent through galvanisation - i.e. a coating of another metal that will protect the steel surface and also sacrifiice/oxidise itself first before the steel will rust.
    So in normal city use no need rust proofing.

    For use outside of city or in winter countries where they throw salt on the roads to melt the ice, not sure how well the galvanisation can protect against rust.
    If go to beach or off-road, with or without rust proofing, most important is still to do a good wash to get rid of the dirt/salt etc.

    How to wash the undercarriage? By the time I try cover all the areas with my bought from Giant hose...dont know how many 20cts gone down and washbay flooded liao :-)

    Edited by Rachdanom, 17 June 2016 - 11:03 AM.

  • 17 June 2016 - 12:01 PM
    newbie12345
    Anyone know our battery is liquid type or non liquid type? Is liquid type faster to battery dead?
  • 17 June 2016 - 12:18 PM
    Muser

    Maybe what is required is not the Gracenote version to be same but the version of the main HU software has to be same as the HU that is successful with Chinese display?

    If HU software already same version and still not working, perhaps is because the one that can display Chinese has the Chinese language pack/font installed while the one not working does not have required language pack/fonts?

    Main thing perhaps can attempt is for someone to bring a USB with Chinese titled songs to try on the showroom/test car and confirm can display, and then show the MI service staff that the owner's own car cannot display.
    Then see if can consider as covered under the warranty for MI to fix for free.

    Probably a font issue.

    If anyone is willing to go down MI to compare Chinese fonts on demo cars and our cars, I'd be happy to meet you there with my Legacy to support the case. I'll even bring a USB drive with Chinese songs. Anyone with a 7-inch Fuji Ten HU (not the 6.2-inch HU in FNA, etc) can be affected, which means all you FXT, OB, Legacy and Levorg folks are included. Unless you don't care about Chinese characters on your HU. I do.

    Tend to agree with you. Manufacturing tech and quality has come a long long way. I would think that the metal surface come with some level of rust protection. Having said that, the metal is only protected if the covering material (paint or manufacturing process) is intact... the under carriage is prone to more abuse than the sides of the car, so higher chance of the protective layer coming off... stone chipping it off for instance.

    So the rust protection may not be a bad thing. Hearsay that the other +ve side effect includes improved sound insulation. :D

    I personally would not do it... how long are we renting owning the car for again? [laugh] [laugh]

    MI offers three different underside coatings, and at least two of them are Clasani coats. All of them reduce road noise to some extent. The more coats, the quieter your car. Depends how much that matters to you. Matters to me.
  • 17 June 2016 - 12:32 PM
    jg2000

    How to wash the undercarriage? By the time I try cover all the areas with my bought from Giant hose...dont know how many 20cts gone down and washbay flooded liao :-)

    In countries with snow/ice and need to put salt on the roads, some of their auto-car wash with have undercarriage spray also - see video below.

    Singapore I don't think have such auto car wash but can try DIY - see 2nd video but need own free flow water supply which is hard to find in Singapore also - unless you live in landed property.


  • 17 June 2016 - 12:37 PM
    Davidtch

    In countries with snow/ice and need to put salt on the roads, some of their auto-car wash with have undercarriage spray also - see video below.

    Singapore I don't think have such auto car wash but can try DIY - see 2nd video but need own free flow water supply which is hard to find in Singapore also - unless you live in landed property.

    Don't waste time

    The only way to hoist the car up in the air & wash.


  • 17 June 2016 - 06:29 PM
    Cboonh

    MI offers three different underside coatings, and at least two of them are Clasani coats. All of them reduce road noise to some extent. The more coats, the quieter your car. Depends how much that matters to you. Matters to me.


    You'll be interested in proper sound proofing too I guess. 4doors and wheel arches at least? I did. :)
  • 17 June 2016 - 06:32 PM
    Muser

    You'll be interested in proper sound proofing too I guess. 4doors and wheel arches at least? I did. :)

    And how are you liking it? How much did you pay, please? MI quoted me $1,150 got 4 doors plus roof.
  • 17 June 2016 - 07:11 PM
    Cboonh

    And how are you liking it? How much did you pay, please? MI quoted me $1,150 got 4 doors plus roof.


    Enjoying it! 4 doors, 2 layers. Front arch, rear boot area, whole floor - 1 layer. Total need about 22-24 pieces of Sp materials (Stp brand). Each piece (depending on the thickness) cost 50-70 each. You do the math. :)

    MI doing how many layers? Using what materials?
  • 17 June 2016 - 07:18 PM
    Rachdanom
    I find the stock 2016 facelift FXT very quiet already.
  • 17 June 2016 - 07:31 PM
    Linux8998

    Enjoying it! 4 doors, 2 layers. Front arch, rear boot area, whole floor - 1 layer. Total need about 22-24 pieces of Sp materials (Stp brand). Each piece (depending on the thickness) cost 50-70 each. You do the math. :)

    MI doing how many layers? Using what materials?

    May I know where you did it? �Looking for a reliable shop who can do a proper job. �Thanks.


  • 17 June 2016 - 08:58 PM
    JuzFXT
    To all, just curious when you all sign on the dot. Is insurance premium inclusive in the grand total?
  • 17 June 2016 - 09:02 PM
    BenTong

    To all, just curious when you all sign on the dot. Is insurance premium inclusive in the grand total?

    Insurance usually is excluded from the cost available for financing coz differs for each buyer. But will form part of the total amount you need to pay before they pass you the car.

    Edited by BenTong, 17 June 2016 - 09:08 PM.

  • 17 June 2016 - 10:00 PM
    thefalcon

    1 week old owner. �Just learnt today that when I walk up to car with key fob the interior lights turn on. �Was telling my wife last 2 times I saw the lights on that we forgot to lock the car...haha. �Kinda cool.

    Bro is your Car plate start with SLE yet?


  • 17 June 2016 - 10:05 PM
    thefalcon

    To all, just curious when you all sign on the dot. Is insurance premium inclusive in the grand total?

    Mine is not, the SE said for FNA is about $1300, after 50% NCD. BUt never confirm the actual price yet.

    Waiting for coming 22Jun COE bidding( round 2 ). �


  • 17 June 2016 - 10:14 PM
    Muser

    Enjoying it! 4 doors, 2 layers. Front arch, rear boot area, whole floor - 1 layer. Total need about 22-24 pieces of Sp materials (Stp brand). Each piece (depending on the thickness) cost 50-70 each. You do the math. :)

    MI doing how many layers? Using what materials?

    My math fail leh. Okay, so about $1.4k based on median cost, excluding labour, but covering more total area than what MI was proposing to me. Dunno how many layers or what specific material cuz I got sticker shock and stopped inquiring. But when I brought up my concerns about weight, my SA said the material wasn't oil-based and hence wouldn't be that heavy. Sounds like it could involve some sort of applied coating in addition to layers of material. I'll ask for more details at my 5k servicing so that I'll be able to compare it more usefully to your package.

    I don't think I'd do the floor because the Clasani coats are quite effective, but I can see why the front arches could be worthwhile. Why is the boot area worth doing?
  • 17 June 2016 - 10:30 PM
    Zommy3

    You'll be interested in proper sound proofing too I guess. 4doors and wheel arches at least? I did. :)

    Can advise where you did it?� How much is the damage?� Keen to do the same.


  • 18 June 2016 - 07:10 AM
    Slazen
    Any ways to tune the reverse sensors? They are like my wife, always overly sensitive and overacting

    And now within 2 weeks of marriage they refuse to beep

    Edited by Slazen, 18 June 2016 - 07:13 AM.

  • 18 June 2016 - 07:17 AM
    Civicguy
    Sigh. Got my car and first day scratched like badly at turning in MCSP.

    Anyway indeed the car studio cannot show double byte characters from my iPhone via the charging cable. Both Songs in Apple and Spotify.

    Sad.
  • 18 June 2016 - 07:35 AM
    mrhan1982

    My math fail leh. Okay, so about $1.4k based on median cost, excluding labour, but covering more total area than what MI was proposing to me. Dunno how many layers or what specific material cuz I got sticker shock and stopped inquiring. But when I brought up my concerns about weight, my SA said the material wasn't oil-based and hence wouldn't be that heavy. Sounds like it could involve some sort of applied coating in addition to layers of material. I'll ask for more details at my 5k servicing so that I'll be able to compare it more usefully to your package.

    I don't think I'd do the floor because the Clasani coats are quite effective, but I can see why the front arches could be worthwhile. Why is the boot area worth doing?

    Hmm, I'm also can't quite decide on doing soundproofing for my fxt. The car itself is actually very quiet already. The engine is pretty silent except when u rev hard and need the sudden urge to overtake. Even then the engine sounds pretty refine. Wind noise is noticeable at > legal hw speeds of 100,110 and beyond. Even the doors are pretty well insulated as I find the HK system to work well even when listening to sounds with heavier bass. The doors may not feel as solid as a bmw x3, but they certainly don't vibrate or sound hollow. The biggest culprit i find is the road noise, especially driving over very rough patches of road. To be honest, even a bmw 3 series with 18 inch wheels suffer from pretty bad road noises despite its excellent sound insulation. Doing a complete enhance floor and wheel arches sound proofing is the only way to reduce road noise. But i find this to be a bit too extensive as it requires the removal of all seats (our electric chairs!) and floor carpet, which i feel very uncomfortable about it.

    BTW, the clasani undercoat does help a bit on the road noise. On well-paved roads, the car appear to be more silent. On rougher patches, road noise also sounded more muffled. $290 is quite well spent, especially its done by our agent MI.

    Hmm... But SP for boot is kinda questionable leh. I used to layer my boot floor with 2 layers of mat and that will reduce some noise from the undercarriage. I know of some who also SP the boot cover but aside from making the boot cover heavier and close with a nicer thud, i'm not sure how that will help in reducing noise? Some audio shops also do boot SP by removing the spare tire and filling it up with SP mats.

    Actually, MI's proposal for SP the 4 doors and roof �is quite tempting except for the slightly high cost. its about $1150 for Forester. Can offset $200 (for every $1000 spent) if u have enough DUO points. essentially almost 20% discount. But then again, i doubt it will help to reduce road noise further which is the main culprit. Change to better tires may be the cheaper and more effective option to reduce road noise further.


    Sigh. Got my car and first day scratched like badly at turning in MCSP.

    Anyway indeed the car studio cannot show double byte characters from my iPhone via the charging cable. Both Songs in Apple and Spotify.

    Sad.

    Tan Chong charges about $200 for full bumper respray if no dents. Half day job. MI might charge similar since they are affiliated.

    The HU can display eng only, chinese only, mix eng and chinese characters perfectly when i play music using my iphone (music app) via bluetooth. haven tried pluggig in cable though.


    Edited by mrhan1982, 18 June 2016 - 07:32 AM.

  • 18 June 2016 - 09:05 AM
    SJGDKK8

    Sigh. Got my car and first day scratched like badly at turning in MCSP.

    Anyway indeed the car studio cannot show double byte characters from my iPhone via the charging cable. Both Songs in Apple and Spotify.

    Sad.


    I just choose "blue tooth audio" and YouTube a song. It works.

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  • 18 June 2016 - 09:07 AM
    JuzFXT
    Today got forester ad at $114k guaranteed coe for FNA. $2k drop from promotion price. Seem to show not much taker after price increase.
  • 18 June 2016 - 10:43 AM
    wheelogist

    Today got forester ad at $114k guaranteed coe for FNA. $2k drop from promotion price. Seem to show not much taker after price increase.


  • 18 June 2016 - 10:48 AM
    wheelogist
    Bookings must have dropped tremendously since price increase last week or stocks for anticipated sales arrived, but no sales. Price drop back down to lure back buyers.
    Good for buyers though.
  • 18 June 2016 - 12:10 PM
    MrYotsuba
    Hi

    What is the insurance premiums like for the NA & XT?

    Thanks!
  • 18 June 2016 - 12:24 PM
    L23

    Hi

    What is the insurance premiums like for the NA & XT?

    Thanks!

    Age, NCD level, year of exp?


  • 18 June 2016 - 01:02 PM
    ChristopherChia

    Age, NCD level, year of exp?

    50, 50% NCD and 25 years of experience, thanks!


    Edited by ChristopherChia, 18 June 2016 - 01:02 PM.

  • 18 June 2016 - 01:32 PM
    Tohto

    50, 50% NCD and 25 years of experience, thanks!

    Around $1300+
  • 18 June 2016 - 01:43 PM
    ChristopherChia

    Around $1300+

    I guessed that is for the NA one, thanks!


  • 18 June 2016 - 01:49 PM
    Muser

    I just choose "blue tooth audio" and YouTube a song. It works.

    Wah, no joke. Anyone else replicated this? I don't use Bluetooth for music, only phone hands-free, so I haven't had the chance to test this yet. If true, then it's not a general font support problem, but perhaps support for only particular font encodings. Today, while listening to Apple Music via Lightning cable, an English song displayed no metadata at all.
  • 18 June 2016 - 02:05 PM
    Muser

    Hmm, I'm also can't quite decide on doing soundproofing for my fxt. The car itself is actually very quiet already. The engine is pretty silent except when u rev hard and need the sudden urge to overtake. Even then the engine sounds pretty refine. Wind noise is noticeable at > legal hw speeds of 100,110 and beyond. Even the doors are pretty well insulated as I find the HK system to work well even when listening to sounds with heavier bass. The doors may not feel as solid as a bmw x3, but they certainly don't vibrate or sound hollow. The biggest culprit i find is the road noise, especially driving over very rough patches of road. To be honest, even a bmw 3 series with 18 inch wheels suffer from pretty bad road noises despite its excellent sound insulation. Doing a complete enhance floor and wheel arches sound proofing is the only way to reduce road noise. But i find this to be a bit too extensive as it requires the removal of all seats (our electric chairs!) and floor carpet, which i feel very uncomfortable about it.

    BTW, the clasani undercoat does help a bit on the road noise. On well-paved roads, the car appear to be more silent. On rougher patches, road noise also sounded more muffled. $290 is quite well spent, especially its done by our agent MI.

    Hmm... But SP for boot is kinda questionable leh. I used to layer my boot floor with 2 layers of mat and that will reduce some noise from the undercarriage. I know of some who also SP the boot cover but aside from making the boot cover heavier and close with a nicer thud, i'm not sure how that will help in reducing noise? Some audio shops also do boot SP by removing the spare tire and filling it up with SP mats.

    Actually, MI's proposal for SP the 4 doors and roof is quite tempting except for the slightly high cost. its about $1150 for Forester. Can offset $200 (for every $1000 spent) if u have enough DUO points. essentially almost 20% discount. But then again, i doubt it will help to reduce road noise further which is the main culprit. Change to better tires may be the cheaper and more effective option to reduce road noise further.

    Tan Chong charges about $200 for full bumper respray if no dents. Half day job. MI might charge similar since they are affiliated.

    The HU can display eng only, chinese only, mix eng and chinese characters perfectly when i play music using my iphone (music app) via bluetooth. haven tried pluggig in cable though.

    Honestly, I also find my Legacy very quiet, especially after doing the various undercarriage coats, which is why it's a bit hard to justify splurging on additional soundproofing, though of course it's always easy to be tempted.

    I don't like the idea of removing panelling without good reason because you always risk introducing rattling and other noises, when before everything was swee. And that would drive me nuts. If I wanted to upgrade speakers, then maybe I'd consider soundproofing at the same time, but the HK system's turned out more than good enough for me, such that my old Eton speakers I planned to install are still sitting in my store room.

    Interesting to know that MI's soundproofing price ($1,150) is the same for both Forester and Legacy, which means Outback's probably the same too.

    Thanks for the bumper respray pricing. So far, Nissan and Subaru service pricing's been identical for many things, such as auto-fold mirrors. I wouldn't say that MI and TC are affiliated. I'd say they are essentially the same company, both owned and operated by TCI, with some staff even moving between Subaru and Nissan showrooms.

    So you've had luck with Chinese characters via Bluetooth too, eh? I must try.
  • 18 June 2016 - 02:23 PM
    Jamesgetz

    Any ways to tune the reverse sensors? They are like my wife, always overly sensitive and overacting

    And now within 2 weeks of marriage they refuse to beep


    Actually I find it quite accurate and useful. It's better to be more sensitive than less for sensors. Anyway, it only beeps on reverse so just get used to it (like your wife's nagging)

    Honestly, I also find my Legacy very quiet, especially after doing the various undercarriage coats, which is why it's a bit hard to justify splurging on additional soundproofing, though of course it's always easy to be tempted.

    I don't like the idea of removing panelling without good reason because you always risk introducing rattling and other noises, when before everything was swee. And that would drive me nuts. If I wanted to upgrade speakers, then maybe I'd consider soundproofing at the same time, but the HK system's turned out more than good enough for me, such that my old Eton speakers I planned to install are still sitting in my store room.

    Interesting to know that MI's soundproofing price ($1,150) is the same for both Forester and Legacy, which means Outback's probably the same too.

    Thanks for the bumper respray pricing. So far, Nissan and Subaru service pricing's been identical for many things, such as auto-fold mirrors. I wouldn't say that MI and TC are affiliated. I'd say they are essentially the same company, both owned and operated by TCI, with some staff even moving between Subaru and Nissan showrooms.

    So you've had luck with Chinese characters via Bluetooth too, eh? I must try.


    For soundproofing, I suggest going to a good and reputable audio shop. Not sure how good MI's workmanship is but dismantling and re-assembling panels and parts tend to loosen things. The danger is after a while, u may get vibrating/ rattling becos parts were not as tight and put together securely
  • 18 June 2016 - 04:58 PM
    Tohto

    I guessed that is for the NA one, thanks!

    XT. My XT I am paying around that.
  • 18 June 2016 - 05:11 PM
    mrhan1982

    Honestly, I also find my Legacy very quiet, especially after doing the various undercarriage coats, which is why it's a bit hard to justify splurging on additional soundproofing, though of course it's always easy to be tempted.

    I don't like the idea of removing panelling without good reason because you always risk introducing rattling and other noises, when before everything was swee. And that would drive me nuts. If I wanted to upgrade speakers, then maybe I'd consider soundproofing at the same time, but the HK system's turned out more than good enough for me, such that my old Eton speakers I planned to install are still sitting in my store room.

    Interesting to know that MI's soundproofing price ($1,150) is the same for both Forester and Legacy, which means Outback's probably the same too.

    Thanks for the bumper respray pricing. So far, Nissan and Subaru service pricing's been identical for many things, such as auto-fold mirrors. I wouldn't say that MI and TC are affiliated. I'd say they are essentially the same company, both owned and operated by TCI, with some staff even moving between Subaru and Nissan showrooms.

    So you've had luck with Chinese characters via Bluetooth too, eh? I must try.

    Hmm I nv had any problems with Chinese characters displaying on the HU when playing music off my iPhone. But I'm haven tried using Usb sticks with MP3s. Dun think I will need to do that since I'm Apple Music subscription.

    Think I will skip the MI SP. quite happy with my xt sound insulation already. My wife and I can enjoy a peaceful conversation without having to talk loudly compared to our previous Honda, Nissan and Mazda. Sat on my friend's 320i (current gen) and it didn't sound any quieter... In fact I think his low profile 18 inch sports tires generate more road noise. Haa.

    Edited by mrhan1982, 18 June 2016 - 05:14 PM.

  • 18 June 2016 - 05:28 PM
    mrhan1982

    Hi

    What is the insurance premiums like for the NA & XT?

    Thanks!

    MI's AIG quote for me was very ex. $2.6k 34yr 20% ncd, 10yrs driving. I got aviva myself at 1.3k, with ncd protector, comprehensive, act of God covered, can go back mI for repairs.

    Above for xt btw.
  • 18 June 2016 - 07:22 PM
    JuzFXT

    MI's AIG quote for me was very ex. $2.6k 34yr 20% ncd, 10yrs driving. I got aviva myself at 1.3k, with ncd protector, comprehensive, act of God covered, can go back mI for repairs.

    Above for xt btw.


    Just curious for 1st year we need to buy from MI their insurance right? After that can change to anyone right. I was quoted expensive too.
  • 18 June 2016 - 07:53 PM
    Rachdanom

    Just curious for 1st year we need to buy from MI their insurance right? After that can change to anyone right. I was quoted expensive too.

    You need not take AIG, you can take anyone you want but there is a penalty of $300. �So if your insurance is > $300 less it is worth getting. �I did not take AIG but went for AXA when I bought the car.


  • 18 June 2016 - 09:16 PM
    Civicguy

    I went for DirectAsia at less than $1000 and even got $150 petrol voucher due to a particular promotion.


  • 18 June 2016 - 10:16 PM
    JuzFXT
    Yah directasia is really cheap.. just checked.

    Can't find the aviva and axa offer as mentioned by mrhan1982. The quote is higer
  • 18 June 2016 - 10:18 PM
    mrhan1982

    I went for DirectAsia at less than $1000 and even got $150 petrol voucher due to a particular promotion.

    Yours is fna I presumed? I used DA before. It's hard to make repair at AD. They will keep telling u to go to their authorised workshops...

    Yah directasia is really cheap.. just checked.

    Can't find the aviva and axa offer as mentioned by mrhan1982. The quote is higer

    Aviva just go online get quote. If your profile similar to mine then should be around 1.3k only. If u buy 2 years one shot it's even cheaper and comes with $200 petrol voucher. Btw, my job is indoor. Fna they quote around 1k only.

    Edited by mrhan1982, 18 June 2016 - 10:20 PM.

  • 18 June 2016 - 10:22 PM
    Axela72

    According to my SE, if there is accident claim but repair is not done�by MI, warranty will void.

    Yours is fna I presumed? I used DA before. It's hard to make repair at AD. They will keep telling u to go to their authorised workshops...


  • 18 June 2016 - 10:27 PM
    mrhan1982

    According to my SE, if there is accident claim but repair is not done by MI, warranty will void.

    Yup u r right. My se told me the same thing when I opt out their AIG insurance. That's y I went with aviva instead of DA though DA is cheaper. I've check with aviva that they allow us to repair at MI before I submit my online application. Comparatively, i understand that forester na and xt insurance are considered cheaper coz of lower omv and its safety features despite it being an suv.

    I was told that subaru's awd system and boxer engine are kinda complicated high tech stuff that's y MI is very particular about getting repairs done outside.

    Edited by mrhan1982, 18 June 2016 - 10:29 PM.

  • 18 June 2016 - 10:44 PM
    Axela72

    My previous HL insurance quote ~$300 cheaper if require to use back MI for repair. However,�due to opt out�AIG have a penalty of $300, I rather stay with AIG for the 1st year and move back to other insurance after that.

    Yup u r right. My se told me the same thing when I opt out their AIG insurance. That's y I went with aviva instead of DA though DA is cheaper. I've check with aviva that they allow us to repair at MI before I submit my online application. Comparatively, i understand that forester na and xt insurance are considered cheaper coz of lower omv and its safety features despite it being an suv.

    I was told that subaru's awd system and boxer engine are kinda complicated high tech stuff that's y MI is very particular about getting repairs done outside.


  • 18 June 2016 - 11:01 PM
    JuzFXT

    Yours is fna I presumed? I used DA before. It's hard to make repair at AD. They will keep telling u to go to their authorised workshops...
    Aviva just go online get quote. If your profile similar to mine then should be around 1.3k only. If u buy 2 years one shot it's even cheaper and comes with $200 petrol voucher. Btw, my job is indoor. Fna they quote around 1k only.


    Hi mrhan1982, I checked with aviva online but my quote is $1.9k plus no way near ur $1.3k. Not sure is there any changes. 20% NCD
  • 18 June 2016 - 11:08 PM
    Civicguy
    Wow you all got me so worried. I was not careful when thinking of where to repair (FNA here). So quickly went check. Think I am ok ? Can still go Mi touch wood ?

    p33nju2.jpg

    Edited by Civicguy, 18 June 2016 - 11:08 PM.

  • 18 June 2016 - 11:25 PM
    Axela72

    HL insurance agent give me 2 quote.�one which is more ex (cant remember is like $200+ more), can go back to MI for repair. He ask me to check with my�SE on whether if kana accident can don't go back to MI for repair anot before confirming which coverage is better for me.

    Wow you all got me so worried. I was not careful when thinking of where to repair (FNA here). So quickly went check. Think I am ok ? Can still go Mi touch wood ?

    p33nju2.jpg


    Edited by Axela72, 18 June 2016 - 11:28 PM.

  • 18 June 2016 - 11:28 PM
    Yeowww

    50, 50% NCD and 25 years of experience, thanks!

    about 1,4k for FXT


  • 18 June 2016 - 11:31 PM
    Civicguy

    HL insurance agent give me 2 quote. one which is more ex (cant remember is like $200+ more), can go back to MI for repair. He ask me to check with my SE on whether if kana accident can don't go back to MI for repair anot before confirming which coverage is better for me.

    You mean I cannot go back to MI ? Cause it said my Authorized Distributor Workshop ? Think I will call on Monday to confirm.
  • 18 June 2016 - 11:37 PM
    BenTong
    Looks like it's gonna be sleepness in Spore for some tonight
  • 19 June 2016 - 07:16 AM
    Aitam_Kia
    Can any bros here recommend a third party workshop in KL area that can service Subaru cars?

    Cheers
  • 19 June 2016 - 10:05 AM
    Kho686

    anyone know will MI install mirrorlink into our Headunit?


  • 19 June 2016 - 10:08 AM
    mrhan1982

    My past experience with DA is that they are very reluctant to let us go to AD workshops for repairs. They will keep pushing us to go to their own workshops. But that was more than 3 years ago. Things might have change for now.

    Wow you all got me so worried. I was not careful when thinking of where to repair (FNA here). So quickly went check. Think I am ok ? Can still go Mi touch wood ?

    p33nju2.jpg


    Hi mrhan1982, I checked with aviva online but my quote is $1.9k plus no way near ur $1.3k. Not sure is there any changes. 20% NCD

    Hmm. your age? years of driving? Oh ya i got SAF group insurance too and that will give another 15%.�

    But the quote can change from time to time. I got my quote in early May.�


  • 19 June 2016 - 11:24 AM
    Civicguy

    I just choose "blue tooth audio" and YouTube a song. It works.

    Mine does not :(

    Sad

    Jacky Cheung canto song in his album "Smile". Only smile appear :)

    CugSBfF.jpg
  • 19 June 2016 - 12:17 PM
    JohnSHL

    Can any bros here recommend a third party workshop in KL area that can service Subaru cars?

    Cheers

    what kind of service are you looking for?

    the well-known ones are:

    1) Auto Enginuity (AE)

    +60355693028

    hicom glenmarie industrial park 18

    Jalan Pengetua U1/32

    40150 Shah Alam, Selangor

    2) RS

    I don't hv the contact for this


  • 19 June 2016 - 01:43 PM
    Aitam_Kia

    what kind of service are you looking for?

    the well-known ones are:

    1) Auto Enginuity (AE)
    +60355693028
    hicom glenmarie industrial park 18
    Jalan Pengetua U1/32
    40150 Shah Alam, Selangor

    2) RS
    I don't hv the contact for this

    Thanks bro. I am still considering whether to sign up the servicing package from MI. So, was thinking to use opportunity to visit in laws for servicing. Unfortunately her family is all about Honda and Toyota. It is the usual 20,30k servicing I am asking.
  • 19 June 2016 - 03:18 PM
    Icecube187

    Mine does not :(

    Sad

    Jacky Cheung canto song in his album "Smile". Only smile appear :)

    CugSBfF.jpg

    Our FNA HU sucks. I didnt know I was getting the outdated HU and speedo when i booked the car.
  • 19 June 2016 - 03:31 PM
    Civicguy

    Our FNA HU sucks. I didnt know I was getting the outdated HU and speedo when i booked the car.

    Ya lo. And if we change we void warranty ?
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