mycarforum: 2015 Forester 2.0 part 16

I total agreed with your comment if there is only "take" but not required to "give."�It is a no brainer for someone whom�don't want extra power without the requirement to "Give."

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Nevertheless, if that extra power is so important, those small or mid size car (Altis, Mazda 3, Civic etc) can close shop already. Ppls should not drive a small cc�B&B�car as even a N.A. 2L can't even fit to drive on the road w/o and additional extra power given. In some turbo folk content, �it is�less confident to drive in traffic condition� [laugh]

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I kinda disagree bro. For its price point, the added power is a bonus. While not a sports car, the power available on tap do give more confidence in traffic condition which usually are not found in such SUV class. ( ignore cars like x6 etc).

So while u should drive and treat it like at normal car, do be happy to know when needed the power is there to do your bidding.

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In your content "fun" mean u can overtake other car easily because you are not skilled enough do it with a less performance car or, can speed a 150km/h at expressway?

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In our country, every now and then is traffic jam. Even someone manage to overtake me, I will tell them that "see you at next traffic light." And truly, that someone is waiting for me at next traffic light [laugh]

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Sweeping statement aside. Should have some context of where the writer is from. Many friends I know in the States have multiple vehicles, a suv/mpv for ferrying the kids and groceries, a weekend fun ride for trills. Trills depends on what they like, it could be a offroader or a performance sports car for kicks. Bottom line is, the cars are more affordable and options aplenty.

Here in SG, I for one can only afford a single car and I would try to make the best out of the resource available to me. So a spacious and comfortable day to day drive, with the knowledge that I have the capacity for "fun" when the weekends come.

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Edited by Axela72, 04 December 2015 - 12:15 PM.

Your definition of fun differs from me. Fun doesn't mean irresponsibly driving on the road. There's always the option of tracking up north, or whenever the heck tracks are built in SG. :)

Agreed. If the car is required to drive up north, then what you meant is very valid. But what you meant is minority. Cant represent the typical owner that doesn't drive up north.

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Your definition of fun differs from me. Fun doesn't mean irresponsibly driving on the road. There's always the option of tracking up north, or whenever the heck tracks are built in SG. :)

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Hi bros,

� � �New XT owner here :) I accidently threw away the key plate . Did not know what it is used for until i read the manual. Anyone know how much is the replacement? Asked my SE but he told me to ask the mechanics during 1st servicing.

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Agreed. If the car is required to drive up north, then what you meant is very valid. But what you meant is minority. Cant represent the typical owner that doesn't drive up north.

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From my daily travels, I notice the vast majority of Foresters being sold are the XT (different bumper design). The fact there are choices available on the market simply means that different people have different needs. The best choice for yourself may not be the best choice for the next guy.

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I suspect for the guys who went XT they value the following:

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For a $10,000 price premium, $900 more annual depreciation, $2 more annual road tax, and 0.9km/litre more thirst, they get 4k more OMV, 89 more horsepower, 152 more newton metres torque, electric tailgate, 18 inch alloys, and some other interior bits and bobs. I've left out insurance, because it is dependent on the individual.

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For an SUV that runs 4WD, a 2 litre motor putting out 140hp is barely adequate. You're down more than 50% horsepower, 50% slower to 100kph and only return 1km/litre more in fuel economy? I call that a bad tradeoff. I'd take the XT anytime over the 2.0i.�But that's me.�

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You could throw 10k at a 2.0i and not get it near the XT. According to SGCarmart, MI's margin on the 2.0i is 28%, and 22% on the XT. With a much better feature set, and a thinner profit margin, for the buyer, the XT is a better deal, even without factoring performance into the equation.

good point ... [thumbsup]

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You could throw 10k at a 2.0i and not get it near the XT. According to SGCarmart, MI's margin on the 2.0i is 28%, and 22% on the XT. With a much better feature set, and a thinner profit margin, for the buyer, the XT is a better deal, even without factoring performance into the equation.

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No point all the argument here.

Just buy the model that you like. Everyone has different priority...there is no really right or wrong on both model.

For me, I will go for the XT� :grin:

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No idea. If XT is that worthy than the N.A. counterpart, why would more than 50% in the�Forester.org�vote for the N.A. vs the XT, even though most of�vocal member are XT owner?

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Not to mention that their list price difference over there is not more than 3k. Ours price�is higher over here for XT is due to the 5k penalty on Cevs. Probably the mass market still prefer reliability, cheaper to maintain than power. Just like over in sg, why many ppls still prefer made in Thailand vs those made in Japan even though at the bottom of our heart, we know that made in Japan is better

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From my daily travels, I notice the vast majority of Foresters being sold are the XT (different bumper design). The fact there are choices available on the market simply means that different people have different needs. The best choice for yourself may not be the best choice for the next guy.

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I suspect for the guys who went XT they value the following:

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For a $10,000 price premium, $900 more annual depreciation, $2 more annual road tax, and 0.9km/litre more thirst, they get 4k more OMV, 89 more horsepower, 152 more newton metres torque, electric tailgate, 18 inch alloys, and some other interior bits and bobs. I've left out insurance, because it is dependent on the individual.

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For an SUV that runs 4WD, a 2 litre motor putting out 140hp is barely adequate. You're down more than 50% horsepower, 50% slower to 100kph and only return 1km/litre more in fuel economy? I call that a bad tradeoff. I'd take the XT anytime over the 2.0i.�But that's me.�

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You could throw 10k at a 2.0i and not get it near the XT. According to SGCarmart, MI's margin on the 2.0i is 28%, and 22% on the XT. With a much better feature set, and a thinner profit margin, for the buyer, the XT is a better deal, even without factoring performance into the equation.

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From another perspective, it is not a good pt. If XT is better or higher seller, why would MI want to earn thinner profit than the N.A? It could mean that MI take the cut in order to attract more�buyer [sly]

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good point ...

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because target customer
not everyone wants to throw in additional $10k
so the only way is to reduce profit margin
if want buyer to part additional $10k must give better value
you compare bmw 520 and 528 in fact 528 is more value for money in view for the specs and power but not everyone wants to pay more

From another perspective, it is not a good pt. If XT is better or higher seller, why would MI want to earn thinner profit than the N.A? It could mean that MI take the cut in order to attract more buyer

Depending on how ones view matter positively or negatively. In�someone perspective,�some may view as argument but in my perspective, I view as debating by highlighting each�other school of thought. A rational person (e.g. potential buyer) will�gain from this debate and analyse themselves rather than being clouded by only one sided comment�to choose which car suit them better� [:)]

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No point all the argument here.

Just buy the model that you like. Everyone has different priority...there is no really right or wrong on both model.

For me, I will go for the XT�

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Edited by Axela72, 04 December 2015 - 06:01 PM.

Axela72,

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Thanks for all your views.� Your spend a lot of time on the forum, even during working hours. You run your own business?

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Forester.Org folks have the 2.5L NA. Not our local 2.0NA

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Anyway, agree to each his own. Turbo does not necessarily mean higher maintenance. Likewise, a badly maintained NA will give more issues.

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You got the 2.0NA, right? Congrats on the ride...

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Depending on how ones view matter positively or negatively. In�someone perspective,�some may view as argument but in my perspective, I view as debating by highlighting each�other school of thought. A rational person (e.g. potential buyer) will�gain from this debate and analyse themselves rather than being clouded by only one sided comment�to choose which car suit them better�

whoever buy Forester�major�reasons,

1. Performance: enjoy X3, Q5, XC60, LR, NX200T performance, but paid less 100k�

2. AWD: Symmetrical

3. Safety Rating, 5-stars

if don't care this points, no meaning to buy forester,

Harrier, Vezel, QQ, Outlander, Xtrail... so many options, space, interior, FC, looks�etc all much better than Forester

Actual fact, i only start reading other forester forum after i have book the car. My earlier post is to hightlight on the 2 sec dwelling time on both start and stop for Turbo which someone here previous stated not required. Nothing to do with other aspect until someone touch on them.

I am clearing my annual leave atm. So very free.

Yr comment On maintainence is again subjective. Not apple to apple comparsion. U should compare the same owner that poorly maintain his N.A. vs his Turbo. I bet his N.A. will last slightly longer than his Turbo:) pls correct me if i am wrong. Ty

Axela72,

Thanks for all your views. Your spend a lot of time on the forum, even during working hours. You run your own business?

Forester.Org folks have the 2.5L NA. Not our local 2.0NA

Anyway, agree to each his own. Turbo does not necessarily mean higher maintenance. Likewise, a badly maintained NA will give more issues.

You got the 2.0NA, right? Congrats on the ride...

Edited by Axela72, 04 December 2015 - 06:57 PM.

Fun is in the drive and not necessarily getting to your destination faster.

Moreover for every traffic light that retained the faster guy, there's always one that let him pass but not the slower guy. =)

In your content "fun" mean u can overtake other car easily because you are not skilled enough do it with a less performance car or, can speed a 150km/h at expressway?

In our country, every now and then is traffic jam. Even someone manage to overtake me, I will tell them that "see you at next traffic light." And truly, that someone is waiting for me at next traffic light

Vs my current Honda Jazz, both Forester will be fun. The thing I will miss from my Jazz is the flat center back seat. :p

Frankly I am not sure why we are chatting on maintenance of NA vs Turbo.

If you book an NA, enjoy and take good care of it. We know you booked one, so good on your and your NA's longevity.

Subaru is a pretty reliable car to start off with, minus the oil leak issues in the 2.5NA in the pre 2014 models, which has since been rectified.

Have fun !

Probably someone whom used to drive a more powerful car previously may not feel that it is fun to drive a 2L N.A. car. When�1st test drive N.A. forester, I already feel shiok because I seldom drive a > 1.6L car. likewise, if I drive a 1k torque car, I may not feel fun to drive because I may not be able to control the car and resultant to accident [laugh]

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Vs my current Honda Jazz, both Forester will be fun. The thing I will miss from my Jazz is the flat center back seat. :p

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Probably someone whom used to drive a more powerful car previously may not feel that it is fun to drive a 2L N.A. car. When�1st test drive N.A. forester, I already feel shiok because I seldom drive a > 1.6L car. likewise, if I drive a 1k torque car, I may not feel fun to drive because I may not be able to control the car and resultant to accident

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ROFL.

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130hp 1 ton -> 150hp 1.5 ton

this�topic is kind of quiet vs the rest lately. creating subject to keep the thread going [laugh]

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Frankly I am not sure why we are chatting on maintenance of NA vs Turbo.

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Hahah..

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It seems like FXT is crap to you. I wouldn't imagine what is your impression of Forester NA then.

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Put bluntly, if it wasn't a family car I'd consider it. If it were a little more nimble, or a little quicker, I personally wouldn't mind having a turbocharger. But it's a family car, it's meant to carry your kids and your stuff from Point A to Point B in a comfortable, safe manner. It's not meant for the track, it's not meant to zip in and out of traffic, and it's not meant to race kids in Mustangs driving down the highway.

I couldn't have said it better. Coming from LGT, it's really nothing to shout about, not in terms of speed, handling, or agility. It's just a safe, taller vehicle which my passengers prefer. It can't corner for nuts despite being the XT version, it's heavy and sluggish unless you boost, and then your fuel efficiency goes down. It's not very luxurious or high class, or has lots of bells and whistles, and with the CVT, not that engaging to drive anyway.

I only buy it because there is not that many choices at that price.
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You think people would mind driving a altis, mazda 3, civic if it comes with 400 bhp, 1000 torque?

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Power is less important when it increase the cost of the selling price.

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I total agreed with your comment if there is only "take" but not required to "give."�It is a no brainer for someone whom�don't want extra power without the requirement to "Give."

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Nevertheless, if that extra power is so important, those small or mid size car (Altis, Mazda 3, Civic etc) can close shop already. Ppls should not drive a small cc�B&B�car as even a N.A. 2L can't even fit to drive on the road w/o and additional extra power given. In some turbo folk content, �it is�less confident to drive in traffic condition�

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Haha.. Someone told me subaru AWD is crap and it is pointless in urban SG but RWD is much more important in SG. #fanboys

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whoever buy Forester�major�reasons,

1. Performance: enjoy X3, Q5, XC60, LR, NX200T performance, but paid less 100k�

2. AWD: Symmetrical

3. Safety Rating, 5-stars

if don't care this points, no meaning to buy forester,

Harrier, Vezel, QQ, Outlander, Xtrail... so many options, space, interior, FC, looks�etc all much better than Forester

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Bro, you are the last person to know what is rational and what is irrational.

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Your journey of choosing your ride is every bit contrary to the idea of rationality.

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Depending on how ones view matter positively or negatively. In�someone perspective,�some may view as argument but in my perspective, I view as debating by highlighting each�other school of thought. A rational person (e.g. potential buyer) will�gain from this debate and analyse themselves rather than being clouded by only one sided comment�to choose which car suit them better�

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haha, you don't even know me in real life. What you have seen here is just face value. but that is human nature. I can understand that. I will treat it as a 2 cents comment as there is no�gain for me to proof�on whether your belief is correct or not. If I am irrational, I wouldn't not be able to qualify/sustain in my current career for decades as a six sigma black belt.

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I remember someone ever mentioned that I wont get a Forester before. In the end, someone is wrong as I am not predictable.

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Bro, you are the last person to know what is rational and what is irrational.

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Your journey of choosing your ride is every bit contrary to the idea of rationality.

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Edited by Axela72, 04 December 2015 - 08:51 PM.

why is this turning out to be a "my ride is better than yours" thread?

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NA or TC, we only use the car for 10 years tops.�95% of�Subaru vehicles�built in the last�10 years�are�still�on the�road, so you are worrying excessively.

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bro axela, you've already made your decision, just look forward to your ride, don't need to keep justifying to yourself (and everyone else) that you made the right choice. there are no right choices, because everyone have different valuation of things. if there is only 1 correct answer, we will only see one car model on the road - all the rest are "wrong"

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about bhp, more is not always better. Your fellow road users may not share your superhuman reflexes and your fast-accelerating/quick-braking/sharp-turning zao chia just stresses other drivers more.�

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Just like how some people bros like E-cups F-cups, the bigger (bhp) the better!! Perosnally C-cup is enough for me.�

since everyone has differing tastes, to each his own. As long as we like girls (and cars), we are on the same page!� [laugh] � [laugh]

I am not going to argue whether you are rational or irrational. It is true I do not know you.

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I have seen stupid people who have PhDs or Master, rich businessman who get cheated.�

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Having a six sigma black belt only says you are good only in the narrow spectrum of performance. Anyone, with enough experience, practice and average intelligence can be expert in one narrow area of expertise.

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So ya, have XXX or YYY does not mean you are therefore incapable of being irrational.

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Haha.. I can only predict rationality not irrationality so ya, I was wrong about you not getting a forester, bro.

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haha, you don't even know me in real life. What you have seen here is just face value. but that is human nature. I can understand that. I will treat it as a 2 cents comment as there is no�gain for me to proof�on whether your belief is correct or not. If I am irrational, I wouldn't not be able to qualify/sustain in my current career for decades as a six sigma black belt.

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I remember someone ever mentioned that I wont get a Forester before. In the end, someone is wrong as I am not predictable.

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Haha but but what if Altis is AA-cup, Forester NA is A-Cup and only FXT is a B+ cup?

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More is better in terms of bhp. You don't have to use it but when you need it, you have it.

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Ask yourself, how often does an owner of a MPV drives 7 people? Maybe once a week, a month or a few months? But you aint going to hear them say that they don't need the extra 2 seats.�

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why is this turning out to be a "my ride is better than yours" thread?

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NA or TC, we only use the car for 10 years tops.�95% of�Subaru vehicles�built in the last�10 years�are�still�on the�road, so you are worrying excessively.

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bro axela, you've already made your decision, just look forward to your ride, don't need to keep justifying to yourself (and everyone else) that you made the right choice. there are no right choices, because everyone have different valuation of things. if there is only 1 correct answer, we will only see one car model on the road - all the rest are "wrong"

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about bhp, more is not always better. Your fellow road users may not share your superhuman reflexes and your fast-accelerating/quick-braking/sharp-turning zao chia just stresses other drivers more.�

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Just like how some people bros like E-cups F-cups, the bigger (bhp) the better!! Perosnally C-cup is enough for me.�

since everyone has differing tastes, to each his own. As long as we like girls (and cars), we are on the same page!� �

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like I said, this is human nature. since I am also human, sometime, I do made irrational judgement too. [:)]

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Is not easy to shift one's Paradigm. Typically those can manage to achieve that are those that are very successful in their real life

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I am not going to argue whether you are rational or irrational. It is true I do not know you.

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I have seen stupid people who have PhDs or Master, rich businessman who get cheated.�

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Having a six sigma black belt only says you are good only in the narrow spectrum of performance. Anyone, with enough experience, practice and average intelligence can be expert in one narrow area of expertise.

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So ya, have XXX or YYY does not mean you are therefore incapable of being irrational.

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Haha.. I can only predict rationality not irrationality so ya, I was wrong about you not getting a forester, bro.

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No idea. If XT is that worthy than the N.A. counterpart, why would more than 50% in the�Forester.org�vote for the N.A. vs the XT, even though most of�vocal member are XT owner?

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Not to mention that their list price difference over there is not more than 3k. Ours price�is higher over here for XT is due to the 5k penalty on Cevs. Probably the mass market still prefer reliability, cheaper to maintain than power. Just like over in sg, why many ppls still prefer made in Thailand vs those made in Japan even though at the bottom of our heart, we know that made in Japan is better

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Let's rationally work through your argument, because you aren't comparing apples to apples when you cite Forester.org's poll on owner preference. I am working based on North American prices listed on Subaru.com - your mileage may vary, but not significantly I suspect.

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In the North American Market, the base Forester is a 2.5i, not a 2.0i we get here. Thus the motor outputs 170hp and 235nM torque. To refresh our memory, the Singapore 2.0i puts out 148hp and 198nM torque. In the US market, their 2.0XT puts out 250hp and 350nM torque, and our 2.0XT puts out 237hp and 350nM torque. In talking deltas in the same market, here are the rational, numbers-backed facts:

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- In Singapore, for an additional 8% outlay, you get 89hp and 152nM more.

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-In the US (comparing the cheapest 2.5i and cheapest 2.0XT), the premium is 31%, for that you net 80hp and 115nM. Is it any wonder why people don't find this a fair value proposition? Take note that across the trims, the horsepower and torque ratings don't change; only the trims and options.

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-Even if we take the same "Premium" trim on a 2.5i and a 2.0XT, the price delta is an 18% premium. That is an apples-to-apples comparison.�

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-It is only when we compare the "Touring" trim, that the price gap starts getting similar to the Singapore situation - 9%. BUT! You're still getting a 2.5 litre motor that is closer in performance to the 2.0 turbocharged motor than the asthmatic 2.0i mill that we get in the Singapore car!�

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As someone else said, its perfectly ok to justify your choice of purchase by saying you don't need the power or you value the fuel economy, but to suggest a poll conducted by an internet forum in another country, with a car that has a different engine, supports your line of argument? I'm only too glad to call you out on that.

Edited by Macrosszero, 04 December 2015 - 09:50 PM.

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Example, if refer�to the various owner review from sgcarmart, most are�commenting�on XT but not the N.A. I can afford to pay for the XT but, can't accept the FC and the extra care need to take�care for Turbo engine. Wonder did I made the right choice to get the N.A. instead of XT

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Hmmm... if one can afford or want to drive FXT, they shouldn't worry about the FC in the first place.�

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It's like someone who got a Cayenne or X5 and then complaint about the FC and the maintenance costs....�

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Just get the car that best meets your needs...�

Edited by majere_r, 04 December 2015 - 09:59 PM.

You crazy fxxxkers, just buy the car you like it and drive it. What's there to compare? You want to share knowledge then come and share.

Look up a classic theead in the bmw-sg forum where one egoistic low self esteem member basically requested to exchange singpass to see how many properties he have just because someone casually said he was being cheap. Do we really need to go to that extent? Are Singaporeans too obsessed with comparison and competition?

Yap, you caught me�. I was waiting for someone to point me out that the�vote might be subjective because over�there, it is 2.5L vs XT, after I�made that comment. [laugh]

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But we are also not 100% sure that all those voted for N.A are surely from 2.5L because the voter can be also came from other countries with 2.0L N.A. as well. maybe minority, I am not sure until�proven (see the raw data).

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�I did not mention that N.A. is better than Turbo. or maybe I mislead my post without knowing.

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Let's rationally work through your argument, because you aren't comparing apples to apples when you cite Forester.org's poll on owner preference. I am working based on North American prices listed on Subaru.com - your mileage may vary, but not significantly I suspect.

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In the North American Market, the base Forester is a 2.5i, not a 2.0i we get here. Thus the motor outputs 170hp and 235nM torque. To refresh our memory, the Singapore 2.0i puts out 148hp and 198nM torque. In the US market, their 2.0XT puts out 250hp and 350nM torque, and our 2.0XT puts out 237hp and 350nM torque. In talking deltas in the same market, here are the rational, numbers-backed facts:

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- In Singapore, for an additional 8% outlay, you get 89hp and 152nM more.

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-In the US (comparing the cheapest 2.5i and cheapest 2.0XT), the premium is 31%, for that you net 80hp and 115nM. Is it any wonder why people don't find this a fair value proposition? Take note that across the trims, the horsepower and torque ratings don't change; only the trims and options.

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-Even if we take the same "Premium" trim on a 2.5i and a 2.0XT, the price delta is an 18% premium. That is an apples-to-apples comparison.�

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-It is only when we compare the "Touring" trim, that the price gap starts getting similar to the Singapore situation - 9%. BUT! You're still getting a 2.5 litre motor that is closer in performance to the 2.0 turbocharged motor than the asthmatic 2.0i mill that we get in the Singapore car!�

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As someone else said, its perfectly ok to justify your choice of purchase by saying you don't need the power or you value the fuel economy, but to suggest a poll conducted by an internet forum in another country, with a car that has a different engine, supports your line of argument? I'm only too glad to call you out on that.

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But we are also not 100% sure that all those voted for N.A are surely from 2.5L because the voter can be also came from other countries with 2.0L N.A. as well. maybe minority, I am not sure until�proven (see the raw data).

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A few hours ago, you pointed to that poll to back up your position, and now you are discrediting said poll because it was proven that it was not a fair comparison? You're more slippery than I thought!

Haha... That is so funny if it is true.

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You crazy fxxxkers, just buy the car you like it and drive it. What's there to compare? You want to share knowledge then come and share.

Look up a classic theead in the bmw-sg forum where one egoistic low self esteem member basically requested to exchange singpass to see how many properties he have just because someone casually said he was being cheap. Do we really need to go to that extent? Are Singaporeans too obsessed with comparison and competition?

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How dare you question the 10 yr+++ six sigma black belt?� [lipsrsealed] �

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A few hours ago, you pointed to that poll to back up your position, and now you are discrediting said poll because it was proven that it was not a fair comparison? You're more slippery than I thought!

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probably he is not aware that if there are variances, we may test the hypothesis by assigning it as constant.

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How dare you question the 10 yr+++ six sigma black belt?� �

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Guys, don't need to waste your time with him lah.

Haha... That is so funny if it is true.

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How dare you question the 10 yr+++ six sigma black belt?� �

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Decades leh... can mean more than 20 years... go the black belt in early 20s or teens? High achiever leh...

Hi Foresters,

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Letting go extra�brand new 2.0�strut bar (NA)�

& cargo rear bumper protector stainless steel (common) both to let go.

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PM me your contact for pictures and pricing.

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Thanks

Edited by Fireheart71, 04 December 2015 - 11:03 PM.

Wa. No ending to this.
Views are subjective.
Ultimately you are the one to decide and u are the one to use it everyday.

Arguments like this will not get anywhere. It's like asking which is a better phone, samsung or apple or xiao mi or oneplus or sony or lg or google.
There is no answer actually.

Its also like asking which stall food taste better. For a certain stall, you feel it taste like shit, but well other people dun and are still queing for it.

There is no rational. The only rational is u like it, u use it and be happy with it.

Edited by Redsurfer777, 04 December 2015 - 11:02 PM.

I can't stop admiring my neighbour's new white forester. I think it looks better than vezel!

Guys, I think bro Axela72 is right. NA is better than TC. Period.

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I gotta sell my brand new FXT and downgrade to a NA. Six Sigma Black Belt can't be wrong. (People already put credentials already, must give face lah)

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Cheers :)�

Haha... That is so funny if it is true.

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Got Link Got Talk

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http://www.bmw-sg.co...up-display.html

wow, pls don't mislead others leh. Where did I mention NA is better than TC? I was going to change to�XT but rationale holding me back

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Guys, I think bro Axela72 is right. NA is better than TC. Period.

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I gotta sell my brand new FXT and downgrade to a NA. Six Sigma Black Belt can't be wrong. (People already put credentials already, must give face lah)

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Cheers :)�

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Just to share some datapoints, this tank I was on course and driving pattern was now 80% high way.

The FC is now around 12.5km per litre, haven go for first oil change.

I lend my friend to drive my car for a short drive, he was amazed by the smooth cvt, he drives the previous gen Honda oydessy. He said he didn't expect Subaru to have changed so much.

Coming from a manual wrx and selespeed Alfa, let me just say my wife is damn happy with the smoother ride :)

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wah.. u sold your alfa for Forester....

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haha.. i sold mine for Xtrail.

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Hi five.�

wow, pls don't mislead others leh. Where did I mention NA is better than TC? I was going to change to�XT but rationale holding me back

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oic. So NA is not better than FXT. Like that I can keep my FXT. Heng ar... I was worried about additional power not important, turbo easy to spoil and dunno why I keep seeing NA cars at the next traffic lights.�

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Now you confusing me, dunno want to sell my FXT for NA. How ar, bro Axela72?� :slow:

Good choice bro to get the XT...Someone saw a 2016 facelift version arrrived at MI think few days ago, but not too sure when they'll put it on display at the showroom...some SE commented that probably Mar'16 may release the sales details of the facelift...?

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Any more updates on the 2016 Forester. Hope will be launched soon with a reasonable Promotion price !

O.M.G

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Interesting rich man....�

Got Link Got Talk

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http://www.bmw-sg.co...up-display.html

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Bro, I own a Forester but I think Vezel more chio le.

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Forester is just look rugged.

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I can't stop admiring my neighbour's new white forester. I think it looks better than vezel!

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I also need to sell.

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We do group trade in with MI.

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Guys, I think bro Axela72 is right. NA is better than TC. Period.

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I gotta sell my brand new FXT and downgrade to a NA. Six Sigma Black Belt can't be wrong. (People already put credentials already, must give face lah)

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Cheers :)�

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Any more updates on the 2016 Forester. Hope will be launched soon with a reasonable Promotion price !

When it newly launch, I expect the price to go up instead of promotion.

O.M.G

Interesting rich man....

Bro, I own a Forester but I think Vezel more chio le.

Forester is just look rugged.

I also need to sell.

We do group trade in with MI.

I still waiting at the side line, fast fast sell your FXT at cheap cheap price since it is not good. I am willing to take over your ride...

Any more updates on the 2016 Forester. Hope will be launched soon with a reasonable Promotion price !

I also waiting...

This is the first time I saw anybody so desperately and ridiculously insecure over his purchase of a car, not to mention the process of selecting a car.�

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Six Sigma? LOL, I didn't know organisations of any distinguishable scale still practice it. It's as relevant and 3.5 inch floppy disks in today's environment.

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The Forester XT is an awesome car for its price-point. It's definitely topping my shopping list when I look at replacing my car next year.

LoL my last post in this topic. since you have no idea,�let me�share with you some insight.�the automotive manufacturing industry I am working mandate employee to be Six sigma trained. If you believed it is outdated, probably�u should not trust driving your current drive because it manufactured by such folk. I didn't know that this is a XT post. All the folk that rebuke seem to be XT owner or follower. Can't look another angle perspective or accept critic. Should have changed the subject for this topic as 2015 Forester XT.

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Good luck on yr next year purchase.�wholeheartedly agreed that this is a good car.

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This is the first time I saw anybody so desperately and ridiculously insecure over his purchase of a car, not to mention the process of selecting a car.�

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Six Sigma? LOL, I didn't know organisations of any distinguishable scale still practice it. It's as relevant and 3.5 inch floppy disks in today's environment.

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The Forester XT is an awesome car for its price-point. It's definitely topping my shopping list when I look at replacing my car next year.

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O.M.G

Interesting rich man....

Bro, I own a Forester but I think Vezel more chio le.

Forester is just look rugged.

I also need to sell.

We do group trade in with MI.

Haha coz I like rugged2 look lei... Haha

O.M.G

Interesting rich man....

Bro, I own a Forester but I think Vezel more chio le.

Forester is just look rugged.

I also need to sell.

We do group trade in with MI.

Haha coz I like rugged2 look... Haha vezel looks like hamster lei.. to me la..

Vezel different category from Forester.

If want to compare with a Subaru, then compare with XV.

Looks wise both nice but in Singapore only XV have AWD while Vezel is FWD.

Those who like the AWD corner and wet road hugging will prefer XV.

XV also more refined i.e. quieter.

Also, Vezel now too common. XV more unique.

O.M.G

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Interesting rich man....�

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Bro, I own a Forester but I think Vezel more chio le.

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Forester is just look rugged.

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I also need to sell.

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We do group trade in with MI.

I don't drive a forester but I do check this thread occasionally cos my car also have a turbo, 1.6t only. Frankly I would buy the fxt today if I have not bought anything. It's good.

Amused by this fellow forummer whom spent a really long time deciding which car to buy. Then he decided to buy a na forester. After booking one, was persuaded by forummers that the turbo one better. Tried to change his order but rejected. Then tried funny ways to justify his purchase online. Interesting read.

I think many turbo newbies like myself all go through this phase where u hearsay about moving slowly on start and then after stop, and actually tried practicing it on getting the car. Then u realize this is really not applicable on 99.99% of your drives. The remaining 0.01% includes cases like you drove for 3h at 180km/h up north, pull into a petrol station and immediately switch off. Or go tracking. And then it is probably more of historical and modern turbo these days don't need.

Then there is the debate on reliability of having a turbo. Assuming a reliable brand like most Japanese, I think it is true base on theory. Whenever a module is more complicated or have more parts or is operated under more stress it should last shorter and have more random failures. The na forester probably have a life of 20 years while the turbo one is good for 18 years. So in local context, I think most forester owners will not even drive their car till 10 years scrap. Less reliable yes, but does it matter in local context? Summary, turbo cars are reliable.

For maintenance, my own experience is that I have yet to spend more money on maintenance vs the na version. And there is no evidence that it is going to change.

Oh, just to add, I have nothing against turbo or na cars, forester or not. Just buy the car you like. Everybody is diff just as cars are diff. But if you desire the turbo one, then just get it and have no regrets like I did. The maintenance, reliability and operating stuffs are really trivial.

Edited by Columbian78, 05 December 2015 - 10:00 AM.

LoL my last post in this topic. since you have no idea,�let me�share with you some insight.�the automotive manufacturing industry I am working mandate employee to be Six sigma trained. If you believed it is outdated, probably�u should not trust driving your current drive because it manufactured by such folk. I didn't know that this is a XT post. All the folk that rebuke seem to be XT owner or follower. Can't look another angle perspective or accept critic. Should have changed the subject for this topic as 2015 Forester XT.

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Good luck on yr next year purchase.�wholeheartedly agreed that this is a good car.

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You assume that you are the only one who has looked at the other angle and perspective, which you have obviously discarded, you made your purchase decision. But you do not have sufficient mental flexibility that other guys may have needs and requirements different from yours.

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Your outcome is already pre-determined - your choice is the best choice, and you hope to convince more people to adopt your best choice in order to endorse you. Unfortunately, from where I can stand, you have made a niche choice that few other people in this forum are taking. I can see retirees, soccer moms, the budget conscious penny-pinching types being the ones who will buy the 2.0i, but they usually aren't the ones who frequent internet forums.

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All you need to do, is ask your SE, how many 2.0i are being sold in comparision to the XT?�

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By the way, they accept Six Sigma Black Belts with language skills like yours? Your English is rudimentary at best - a secondary school student writes better than you.

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And isn't Six Sigma just another fancy name for Quality Improvement?

Forester, XV looks rugged.

A man's car.

You assume that you are the only one who has looked at the other angle and perspective, which you have obviously discarded, you made your purchase decision. But you do not have sufficient mental flexibility that other guys may have needs and requirements different from yours.

Your outcome is already pre-determined - your choice is the best choice, and you hope to convince more people to adopt your best choice in order to endorse you. Unfortunately, from where I can stand, you have made a niche choice that few other people in this forum are taking. I can see retirees, soccer moms, the budget conscious penny-pinching types being the ones who will buy the 2.0i, but they usually aren't the ones who frequent internet forums.

All you need to do, is ask your SE, how many 2.0i are being sold in comparision to the XT?

By the way, they accept Six Sigma Black Belts with language skills like yours? Your English is rudimentary at best - a secondary school student writes better than you.

And isn't Six Sigma just another fancy name for Quality Improvement?

Chill bro. This is going down a slippery path.

I believe you have made your point. No need witch hunt.

Chill chill

Go grab some tits. Helps you live longer too

LoL my last post in this topic. since you have no idea,�let me�share with you some insight.�the automotive manufacturing industry I am working mandate employee to be Six sigma trained. If you believed it is outdated, probably�u should not trust driving your current drive because it manufactured by such folk. I didn't know that this is a XT post. All the folk that rebuke seem to be XT owner or follower. Can't look another angle perspective or accept critic. Should have changed the subject for this topic as 2015 Forester XT.

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Good luck on yr next year purchase.�wholeheartedly agreed that this is a good car.

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Dude, it's just a damn car with a typical lifespan of 10 year in Sg's context. Don't think too much about your purchase and just enjoy it.

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Anyway, thanks for behaving like a joker. You have high entertainment value. You have no idea how famous you are in chatgroups.� [lipsrsealed]

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i would like to ask the average�fuel consumption�for

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1.) 2.0I

2.) FXT.

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and anyone using Ron95 for FXT, if yes, any side effect? or no issue at all.

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Hope to see reply soon. thanks in advance

Hi bro,

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i would like to ask the average�fuel consumption�for

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1.) 2.0I

2.) FXT.

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and anyone using Ron95 for FXT, if yes, any side effect? or no issue at all.

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Hope to see reply soon. thanks in advance

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I have driven solely on RON95 petrol for my Legacy GT, no issues for the whole 6yr plus.

drivers go across causeway also equivalent to our RON95 max anyway right?

I don't think you have to worry about it for FB20 DIT engine.

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no need to pump RON98 unless u really really need that much power or have the moolah to burn...

Alexa72, don't be a cheapskate. Just change car if not happy.

Use Ron95 for FXT, so far ok.

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I have some bros here who said they can hear knocking sounds with Ron95.

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Browse through this thread again. We spoke about FC several times alrdy. 10km/l is possible.

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Hi bro,

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i would like to ask the average�fuel consumption�for

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1.) 2.0I

2.) FXT.

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and anyone using Ron95 for FXT, if yes, any side effect? or no issue at all.

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Hope to see reply soon. thanks in advance

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You call him cheapskate wait he also ask you to exchange singpass� [lipsrsealed]

Alexa72, don't be a cheapskate. Just change car if not happy.

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If coe continues to climb, with his non-guranteed option, he may not get his NA in the end. This present a good leeway to get his next car he liked. But he did mention he may just get the C4P which he rated with the lowest in term of reliability in other thread. Quite interesting.

I bought a GC4P but I do lament not getting FXT. Haha... If I get FXT, I might still sigh on not getting QQ...

Personally I think a forester or wrx is an enthusiasts car with its awd and (turbo) boxer engine. Forester is a true semi off roader unlike qq/vezel.

Don't buy these cars if efficiency is your concern or you just need a daily runaround car.

Having said that personally if I were to buy the forester it will be the XT in a heartbeat. If you buy a Subaru you should experience its tradition of rugged/rough high power turbo boxer engine with its full time awd.

I total agreed with your comment if there is only "take" but not required to "give." It is a no brainer for someone whom don't want extra power without the requirement to "Give."

Nevertheless, if that extra power is so important, those small or mid size car (Altis, Mazda 3, Civic etc) can close shop already. Ppls should not drive a small cc B&B car as even a N.A. 2L can't even fit to drive on the road w/o and additional extra power given. In some turbo folk content, it is less confident to drive in traffic condition

Everyone need to choose their priority as no car is perfect for me, space and pace supersede other small issue like fuel economy. Ur examples are not relevant as I had never insisted power as the overriding factor for all factor but rather for my own case.

wah.. u sold your alfa for Forester....

haha.. i sold mine for Xtrail.

Hi five.

Bro, yeah man. Need more space for second baby. The high middle arch in rear seat not going to go well with wife sitting in center seat.

Haha first car was Subaru, then Alfa, now Subaru maybe next car will be Alfa again hehe

Different person, different times have different needs and wants so choices that suits them may not apply to others. Like the way u like your eggs cooked with be different (fried, watery, sunny side up, boiled, etc).

What we can agree on is eggs are nutritious and value for money, like current forester. As long as eat in moderation, it will not affect your cholesterol.

hope all personal attacks stop here.

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many are here to know more about forester.

Bro, yeah man. Need more space for second baby. The high middle arch in rear seat not going to go well with wife sitting in center seat.

Haha first car was Subaru, then Alfa, now Subaru maybe next car will be Alfa again hehe

Quite a big change. But I think I'll love the extra space that I will never use. Lol

Assembled in Malaysia Subaru Forester !

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Malaysia already assembling XV for their local market. Next will be Forester !� But don't think MI Singapore imports cars from Bolehland.

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http://paultan.org/2...ion-april-2016/

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Edited by Cosmicclaw, 06 December 2015 - 12:51 PM.

Assembled in Malaysia Subaru Forester !

Malaysia already assembling XV for their local market. Next will be Forester ! But don't think MI Singapore imports cars from Bolehland.

http://paultan.org/2...ion-april-2016/

Meaning currently Msia XV is manufactured in Msia whereas SG XV is from Japan yes?

hope all personal attacks stop here.

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many are here to know more about forester.

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shaddup lah, exchange singpass ai mai?�

shaddup lah, exchange singpass ai mai?�

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one word. Uncouth.

one word. Uncouth.

[smash] � [smash] � [smash] (you know I am just trolling, right)

Edited by Detach8, 06 December 2015 - 02:23 PM.

Forester NA or XT, both have�their own prefer driver.

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There are many deciding factors in one to decide which model to�suit�their�10 years�need on the road.�

The main�factor that LTA knew was to push the�$$$ 50-50 or 40-60 loan cap and the 5 years instalment. [sweatdrop]

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2 weeks already, I�enjoy ever moment of my�Forester NA after upgrading�from my previous ride 1.6� [:p]

The feeling was good from the overall robust outlook�and�immediately falling in lover after�test ride both models.

Which eventually�I give up the idea�of getting K3 Sport and switch to Forester.�

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The deciding factor for me to sign on the doted line either for�NA and XT,�will be�my budget to sustain the 60 months instalment.

I understanding that the�car don't below to us unless we clear the loan completely.

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So to be in a comfort zone, I decided to sign on the dotted line for the NA model. [:)]

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This my own though to enjoy my 10 years ride. [inlove]

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Edited by Fireheart71, 06 December 2015 - 10:02 PM.

I think no one really cares whether XT is better or NA is better. It is ultimately a personal opinion. We buy what we like.

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It is that one individual stirring shit to try to justify he made the right choice.

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Forester NA or XT, both have�their own prefer driver.

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There are many deciding factors in one to decide which model to�suit�their�10 years�need on the road.�

The main�factor that LTA knew was to push the�$$$ 50-50 or 40-60 loan cap and the 5 years instalment.

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2 weeks already, I�enjoy ever moment of my�Forester NA after upgrading�from my previous ride 1.6�

The feeling was good from the overall robust outlook�and�immediately falling in lover after�test ride both models.

Which eventually�I give up the idea�of getting K3 Sport and switch to Forester.�

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The deciding factor for me to sign on the doted line either for�NA and XT,�will be�my budget to sustain the 60 months instalment.

I understanding that the�car don't below to us unless we clear the loan completely.

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So to be in a comfort zone, I decided to sign on the dotted line for the NA model.

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This my own though to enjoy my 10 years ride.

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Ultimately the one that really affects the decision on which car to buy is the one sitting on the vehicle comd sit. The co.
Norhing else actuallly matter.

Edited by Redsurfer777, 06 December 2015 - 11:15 PM.

Forester NA or XT, both have�their own prefer driver.

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There are many deciding factors in one to decide which model to�suit�their�10 years�need on the road.�

The main�factor that LTA knew was to push the�$$$ 50-50 or 40-60 loan cap and the 5 years instalment.

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2 weeks already, I�enjoy ever moment of my�Forester NA after upgrading�from my previous ride 1.6�

The feeling was good from the overall robust outlook�and�immediately falling in lover after�test ride both models.

Which eventually�I give up the idea�of getting K3 Sport and switch to Forester.�

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The deciding factor for me to sign on the doted line either for�NA and XT,�will be�my budget to sustain the 60 months instalment.

I understanding that the�car don't below to us unless we clear the loan completely.

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So to be in a comfort zone, I decided to sign on the dotted line for the NA model.

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This my own though to enjoy my 10 years ride.

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Well said.

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One can argue which model is better but may fail to understand that�the variables affecting car buying differs from person to person. To some, they place a very heavy weightage on things like maintenance, Fuel efficiency or even the sound system but to another person, these factors are non-decisive for them.

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At the end of the day, there is no right or wrong.

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For me, I chose XT based on these fundamental:

- Better/similar Driving experience�compared my old car

- Turbocharged

- Best value for performance in SUV category

- Still enjoy the cabin size of the vehicle for my family

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Sound impractical? That's me!

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Coming from a Turbocharged hatch and knowing the facts�& myths of turbo maintenance,�I don't see myself�going back to�an�NA anytime soon, and you can see that looks�or FC does not hold a large weightage on my choice.

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Some person argue to think with our heads when buying a car. But I believe many here think with their hearts, else they would be in the Altis�thread.

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I thought with my head before, and the car didn't last 3 years before I itch for another. The 2nd car which I bought with my heart is current still with me after 8 years.

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I believe the FXT will be with me as long. :)

Hi, will upgrading my rims increase FC?

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(I'm trying to change topic, so please don't spoil it.)

Hi, will upgrading my rims increase FC?

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(I'm trying to change topic, so please don't spoil it.)

of course?

upgrading rims interpret to increase rims weight,��vehicle is sensitive to wheels weigh, in general wheel increasing 1kg�equal to 10 times vehicle body weight, if you 4 wheels weight increase 5kg, interpret to 50kg vehicle body weight increased,

Hi, will upgrading my rims increase FC?

(I'm trying to change topic, so please don't spoil it.)

If your priority in upgrading rims is to reduce fuel consumption go for the smallest and lightest rim available that will still clear your brake calipers. However, rims especially branded Japanese ones can be pretty expensive and it will take you some time to recoup your investment and actually start seeing savings. But aesthetically the stock rims aren't that pretty anyway so you could probably justify that better.

Hi Anyone received collection date for FXT in December?

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I am eagerly waiting for an update from my SE...

Can I put big wheels behind and small wheels in front? Does it affect 4WD?

Yes it will. As with any AWD system. Same size and profile. If can same brand and model best.

Hi Anyone received collection date for FXT in December?

I am eagerly waiting for an update from my SE...

Latest news from my SE is that the shipment is delayed but collection will still be within Dec.

guys, what is good for duo rewards redemption? [:p]

guys, what is good for duo rewards redemption?

Can I check what is duo rewards? Rewards program from MI?

Can I put big wheels behind and small wheels in front? Does it affect 4WD?

Staggered set up for rwd lah

yes, when you buy ur ride, they give you duo membership with some points. can redeem some stuff like service �vouchers etc .. Not sure what is good

Can I check what is duo rewards? Rewards program from MI?

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Can I put big wheels behind and small wheels in front? Does it affect 4WD?

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U will damage AWD car differential when you do that.�

Dont play play. �Even improper air pressure causing tyres to end up with different loaded radius (axle to road distance at each wheel) can also cause problem sooner or later.�

The differentials allow for different speed of rotation between the wheels but they are only designed for small sustained differences. Too much and the differentials will over work as nd get damaged (even burn up).

U will damage AWD car differential when you do that.�

Dont play play. �Even improper air pressure causing tyres to end up with different loaded radius (axle to road distance at each wheel) can also cause problem sooner or later.�

The differentials allow for different speed of rotation between the wheels but they are only designed for small sustained differences. Too much and the differentials will over work as nd get damaged (even burn up).

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Are there are some models out there that designed to use different wheel/tyre ratios for front and rear with their 4WD systems?

Are there are some models out there that designed to use different wheel/tyre ratios for front and rear with their 4WD systems?

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Yup, BMW and Mercedes SUVs are the obvious examples. Look at the X5. It has a staggered setup. Of course, I heard that if you change your wheels you will have to reprogram the computer to know that the tyres have been changed from a staggered to non-staggered setup.

Forester can be fuel efficient too. Approximately 17.8km/L. Travelled off peak from airport to home in the west. Mine is a 2.0 i-L.

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Yup, BMW and Mercedes SUVs are the obvious examples. Look at the X5. It has a staggered setup. Of course, I heard that if you change your wheels you will have to reprogram the computer to know that the tyres have been changed from a staggered to non-staggered setup.

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Staggered setup which can be changed by computer probably means not a permenant AWD but mainly FWD and rear only gets traction in situations when front slips.

For Subaru, it is permanent AWD so cannot change to staggered unless it comes from factory already staggered and the mechanicals (esp. the differential) already designed for that.

Staggered setup which can be changed by computer probably means not a permenant AWD but mainly FWD and rear only gets traction in situations when front slips.

For Subaru, it is permanent AWD so cannot change to staggered unless it comes from factory already staggered and the mechanicals (esp. the differential) already designed for that.

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I believe the BMW X5 xDrive is a permanent AWD just like Subaru's.

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https://en.wikipedia...wiki/BMW_xDrive

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It just intelligently splits the load front to rear and is able to vary that with a servo motor.

I believe the BMW X5 xDrive is a permanent AWD just like Subaru's.

https://en.wikipedia...wiki/BMW_xDrive

It just intelligently splits the load front to rear and is able to vary that with a servo motor.

With more than 3X the price of FXT, not surprise it will had a much better set up.

based on youtube video (not by bmw), it seems xdrive is better than awd and quattro especially when the front or rear slip ... xdrive intelligently push the power to front or rear

based on youtube video (not by bmw), it seems xdrive is better than awd and quattro especially when the front or rear slip ... xdrive intelligently push the power to front or rear

From YouTube, the Forester X-mode also seems to diverting power to the wheel that had no grip.

From YouTube, the Forester X-mode also seems to diverting power to the wheel that had no grip.

New Forester with torque vectoring...

This is one of the reason I got the Forester :)

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New Forester with torque vectoring...

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New Forester with torque vectoring...

Torque vectoring is only for the new xt yes?

I experienced the foresters AWD 3 week's ago on NSHW at high speed on rainy day and extreme wet road... Stable like what's shown on video

This is one of the reason I got the Forester :)

True that X-mode is one help of a traction control. But how often we do this in SG?

I've never used X-mode since I got my FXT!

Perhaps more relevant to those who travel frequently up north to gravel roads.

I experienced the foresters AWD 3 week's ago on NSHW at high speed on rainy day and extreme wet road... Stable like what's shown on video

Kena VSC kick it before. Flashing on the info screen. But its a false alarm as I chiming past a hump..lol

I was gathering info on boxer engine on the internet and realised that engine oil consumption is an issue, even an law suite in USA against Subaru due to this.... I read Forester around 2011 to 2014 included. Any boxer engine owner can share how much engine oil does it consume maybe over 10k km period?

Edited by Octopus, 10 December 2015 - 07:30 AM.

I was gathering info on boxer engine on the internet and realised that engine oil consumption is an issue, even an law suite in USA against Subaru due to this.... I read Forester around 2011 to 2014 included. Any boxer engine owner can share how much engine oil does it consume maybe over 10k km period?

If you dig further, you would have realised FB engines are the affected ones. There's the old 2.5l and 2.5l turbo.

The newer FA DIT and FA20 used by our local foresters are not affected.

With more than 3X the price of FXT, not surprise it will had a much better set up.

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I think there's much more to that lah, of course brand itself is already $$$, the comfort, sound insulation, iDrive, etc. all add up.�

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But seriously, Forester even the 2.0i is very very very attractively priced. If I was in the market for a budget SUV, I'd definitely buy Forester over the other "crossovers" like Qashqai (spelling?), HR-V/Vezel, etc.

I am keen to go for just 2.0i.. anyone have a good SE to recommend. Many thanks.

I think there's much more to that lah, of course brand itself is already $$$, the comfort, sound insulation, iDrive, etc. all add up.�

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But seriously, Forester even the 2.0i is very very very attractively priced. If I was in the market for a budget SUV, I'd definitely buy Forester over the other "crossovers" like Qashqai (spelling?), HR-V/Vezel, etc.

I have drove many cars from Honda, VW, Mazda, Toyota.�Comparing the sound insulation of Forester to these cars, Forester wins.

Didnt have chance to drive Merc, BMW or AUDI so cannot compare. But then the price range of these cars are way out of the league for comparision.

True that X-mode is one help of a traction control. But how often we do this in SG?

I've never used X-mode since I got my FXT!

Perhaps more relevant to those who travel frequently up north to gravel roads.
Kena VSC kick it before. Flashing on the info screen. But its a false alarm as I chiming past a hump..lol

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Never got a chance to use X-mode yet too... but you never know when you might need it, going up a wet car park at Taka or Wisma Atria on a rainy day?

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Yeah... I got VSC kicked in before too... when I was turn out and there was a hump ...

I have drove many cars from Honda, VW, Mazda, Toyota.�Comparing the sound insulation of Forester to these cars, Forester wins.

Didnt have chance to drive Merc, BMW or AUDI so cannot compare. But then the price range of these cars are way out of the league for comparision.

sound insulation is too good also bad, on Singapore road, motorbikes are too many, sometimes detect them buy sound

Watch this...

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sorry, but the previous model turbo is EJ25 not FB.

EJ25 has no issue with engine oil consumption for my car.

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If you dig further, you would have realised FB engines are the affected ones. There's the old 2.5l and 2.5l turbo.

The newer FA DIT and FA20 used by our local foresters are not affected.

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Watch this...

Wah, X-mode great!

sorry, but the previous model turbo is EJ25 not FB.
EJ25 has no issue with engine oil consumption for my car.

Sorry. Not prev model. Is current model 2.5 which is not sold here. Anyway it happened for they 2014 batch. Read the 2015 batch is ok.

Watch this...

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looking at how the speedo climb is really impressive.

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Forester turbo rocks big times!!!!!!!! :a-happy:

I don't drive a forester but I do check this thread occasionally cos my car also have a turbo, 1.6t only. Frankly I would buy the fxt today if I have not bought anything. It's good.

Amused by this fellow forummer whom spent a really long time deciding which car to buy. Then he decided to buy a na forester. After booking one, was persuaded by forummers that the turbo one better. Tried to change his order but rejected. Then tried funny ways to justify his purchase online. Interesting read.

I think many turbo newbies like myself all go through this phase where u hearsay about moving slowly on start and then after stop, and actually tried practicing it on getting the car. Then u realize this is really not applicable on 99.99% of your drives. The remaining 0.01% includes cases like you drove for 3h at 180km/h up north, pull into a petrol station and immediately switch off. Or go tracking. And then it is probably more of historical and modern turbo these days don't need.

Then there is the debate on reliability of having a turbo. Assuming a reliable brand like most Japanese, I think it is true base on theory. Whenever a module is more complicated or have more parts or is operated under more stress it should last shorter and have more random failures. The na forester probably have a life of 20 years while the turbo one is good for 18 years. So in local context, I think most forester owners will not even drive their car till 10 years scrap. Less reliable yes, but does it matter in local context? Summary, turbo cars are reliable.

For maintenance, my own experience is that I have yet to spend more money on maintenance vs the na version. And there is no evidence that it is going to change.

Oh, just to add, I have nothing against turbo or na cars, forester or not. Just buy the car you like. Everybody is diff just as cars are diff. But if you desire the turbo one, then just get it and have no regrets like I did. The maintenance, reliability and operating stuffs are really trivial.

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once made your choice just move on.

I read that joker's post too, had a good laugh and brighten my Friday

I am keen to go for just 2.0i.. anyone have a good SE to recommend. Many thanks.

over at�Leng Kee this afternoon..

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SE quoted $115,800 ( 3k down from list price)�for 2.0i only free solar film..

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any bro got better deal ? Good buy ?

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Thanks

I got mine at the Car Expo - non-guaranteed at $113.8k
But COE was lower than (57.5k). Is this guaranteed or non guaranteed? My SE told me I got my COE this week though.

I got mine at the Car Expo - non-guaranteed at $113.8k
But COE was lower than (57.5k). Is this guaranteed or non guaranteed? My SE told me I got my COE this week though.

was told six bids guaranteed

was told six bids guaranteed

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When I signed the paper it was indicated as non-guaranteed, although the SE did assure me it was guaranteed as part of Car Expo promotion.

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The fact that I got my COE this week confirmed the SE was right. My car is supposed to arrive later�this month.

The latest price drop of $3k vs COE drop of $1k makes it tempting...

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Thứ Năm, 29 tháng 12, 2016

2015 Forester 2.0 part 16

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