Just curious of anyone(especially owners) knows the current 2.0 XT has any issues? Seems lots of seller of less than 1.5 years Forester 2.0XT. There is know engine stalling and failing to start issues in US. My Sister who reside in US owns it and has encounter this issue 3x in 15 mths,
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Just no good reason why are there so many seller of this relatively new SUV, at least 6~8 sales of this current model in Sgcarmart in less than a year? Or is the "problematic service" of motor image resulting new owner selling away the car? Being ex WRX owner, I can understands that!!!!!
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Any insight appreciated - drop me a PM is convenient�to disclose in the open.
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Subarus are actually quite well-known to be super-reliable mechanically ... like Toyotas.
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Subarus are actually quite well-known to be super-reliable mechanically ... like Toyotas.
From my checks with current and previous owners, the feedbacks have been positive.
The US forester had a number of issues. Engine starting is one problem but the major one is engine oil consumed from engine, it's so bad owners started to sue Subaru and Toyota. This rang my alarm and I checked further. Fortunately it only affected the 2.5 and older 2.0 engines. The XT was spared.Just curious of anyone(especially owners) knows the current 2.0 XT has any issues? Seems lots of seller of less than 1.5 years Forester 2.0XT. There is know engine stalling and failing to start issues in US. My Sister who reside in US owns it and has encounter this issue 3x in 15 mths,
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Just no good reason why are there so many seller of this relatively new SUV, at least 6~8 sales of this current model in Sgcarmart in less than a year? Or is the "problematic service" of motor image resulting new owner selling away the car? Being ex WRX owner, I can understands that!!!!!
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Any insight appreciated - drop me a PM is convenient�to disclose in the open.
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Anyway US foresters are build from different plants and have difficult reliability issues. The oil consumption issue did not effect Europe foresters and I presumed ours are ok.
But still I agree, would like to hear more from current Forester owners on know issues here.
That's why AD is impt, MI may be an arse in certain areas but they won't disappear overnight. If there are recalls and fixes at least we know AD will act.
As for the no. of Foresters on sale in SGCM, I only saw 3. Could be any reason, may be cannot tahan FC lol. May not be problems.
If like that you count the number of vezels on sales, also worrying.
[EDIT] sorry, is oil consumption issue, not oil leak.
Edited by Pocus, 21 July 2015 - 09:20 AM.
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That's not true actually. Plenty of cars that are turbocharged have this feature.
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My comment is only in the context of the turbocharged SJ series Forester XT. As far as I know they do not have auto start/stop even in Japan. Only the NA Foresters have the feature. I don't know about other models or makes.
i find it quiet. maybe because its not using performance tires. On my previous Toyota Mark x, which i am always using Michelin, PS3 or PSS. i find it a big difference.
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The sound systems they have in the forester seems to be acceptable, they do have a amp under the passenger seat, this is for the XT model
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so power wise, is forester XT better than the Mark X? or similar given that the extra weight on the forester cancels the added turbo power.
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The JDM spec requires "Hai Oku gasoline" - in Japan meaning 98-100 octane, and I believe the quality in terms of impurities is also better. The US version gets 250hp and still requires premium fuel (98 octane).
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Our local version (Singapore/Malaysia/Philippines/Australia all the same) runs on 95 Octane for 240hp. For Singaporeans this makes sense in case we travel up to Malaysia/Thailand where some places may have no 98 octane. Also given the cheaper price I don't mind the trade off.
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In Japan the collision mitigation is an option. In fact, they sell the base car very cheap with no features, then you add everything as an option (even radio need to add, leather seats need to add, pearl white paint need to pay more etc). So there is no standard JDM version that has all the items you mention.
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The JDM XT doesn't have engine auto start/stop either. Only the non-turbo can have such a feature. I have tried cars with engine auto start/stop and to me it is annoying actually.
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hai oku means anything 96RON and above. regular is at least 89RON.
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Given one has a turbo, from a performance point of view the FXT and the Harrier are not in the same category:
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Power: 240hp vs 149hp (Forester is +61% more)
Torque: 350Nm vs 193Nm (Forester is +81% more)
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From a performance point of view, it's more like a NX200t than a Harrier. However, that is a totally difference price point - even the Harrier is already more expensive.
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I like the interior of the Harrier, more stylish and layout whereas the FXT feels functional / nothing special. But driving experience goes to the FXT - not just the acceleration but also around the bends when exiting the AYE/PIE at high speed you really feel it stick to the road. Also, the AWD makes the FXT a genuine offroader, whereas the FWD Harrier is just for "SUV looks". For 99% of Singaporeans that won't matter though...
Hi Bro,
have you noticed while FXT engine in cool status,�cannot change to S# mode, is it normal? after few minutes it can be done
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so power wise, is forester XT better than the Mark X? or similar given that the extra weight on the forester cancels the added turbo power.
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hai oku means anything 96RON and above. regular is at least 89RON.
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Mark X peak hp is 200hp (Forester XT 240hp is 20% more)
Mark X torque is 243Nm (Forester XT 350nm is 44% more)
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However, it is not just the numbers that affect the driving experience. The 243Nm of the MarkX occurs at 4,800rpm, whereas the Forester XT delivers 350Nm at a more friendly 2,400rpm. And if you look at the torque curve in the brochure, around 320NM is already available at 2,000rpm.
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On the flip side the Forester XT is around 12.4% heavier and the AWD will have more losses than just a 2WD car.
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According to this link haioku is RON 98-100:
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Mark X peak hp is 200hp (Forester XT 240hp is 20% more)
Mark X torque is 243Nm (Forester XT 350nm is 44% more)
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However, it is not just the numbers that affect the driving experience. The 243Nm of the MarkX occurs at 4,800rpm, whereas the Forester XT delivers 350Nm at a more friendly 2,400rpm. And if you look at the torque curve in the brochure, around 320NM is already available at 2,000rpm.
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On the flip side the Forester XT is around 12.4% heavier and the AWD will have more losses than just a 2WD car.
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According to this link haioku is RON 98-100:
hi, Do you noticed any turbo lag�in acceleration?
I found a bit lag�in "I" mode, S# mode ok
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Japan: Since 1986, "regular" is >=89�RON, and "high octane" is >=96�RON, lead free. Those values are defined in standard JIS K 2202. Sometimes "high octane" is sold under different names, such as "F-1".
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taken from wiki. and confirm by checking JIS specs.
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Mark X peak hp is 200hp (Forester XT 240hp is 20% more)
Mark X torque is 243Nm (Forester XT 350nm is 44% more)
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However, it is not just the numbers that affect the driving experience. The 243Nm of the MarkX occurs at 4,800rpm, whereas the Forester XT delivers 350Nm at a more friendly 2,400rpm. And if you look at the torque curve in the brochure, around 320NM is already available at 2,000rpm.
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On the flip side the Forester XT is around 12.4% heavier and the AWD will have more losses than just a 2WD car.
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ok. don't just throw me the numbers la.
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want to know your experience cause i drive a Mark X and semi keen on the forester xt.
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Mark X peak hp is 200hp (Forester XT 240hp is 20% more)
Mark X torque is 243Nm (Forester XT 350nm is 44% more)
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However, it is not just the numbers that affect the driving experience. The 243Nm of the MarkX occurs at 4,800rpm, whereas the Forester XT delivers 350Nm at a more friendly 2,400rpm. And if you look at the torque curve in the brochure, around 320NM is already available at 2,000rpm.
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On the flip side the Forester XT is around 12.4% heavier and the AWD will have more losses than just a 2WD car.
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ok. don't just throw me the numbers la.
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want to know your experience cause i drive a Mark X and semi keen on the forester xt.
The US forester had a number of issues. Engine starting is one problem but the major one is engine oil consumed from engine, it's so bad owners started to sue Subaru and Toyota. This rang my alarm and I checked further. Fortunately it only affected the 2.5 and older 2.0 engines. The XT was spared.
Anyway US foresters are build from different plants and have difficult reliability issues. The oil consumption issue did not effect Europe foresters and I presumed ours are ok.
But still I agree, would like to hear more from current Forester owners on know issues here.
That's why AD is impt, MI may be an arse in certain areas but they won't disappear overnight. If there are recalls and fixes at least we know AD will act.
As for the no. of Foresters on sale in SGCM, I only saw 3. Could be any reason, may be cannot tahan FC lol. May not be problems.
If like that you count the number of vezels on sales, also worrying.
[EDIT] sorry, is oil consumption issue, not oil leak.
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The Foresters listed in Sgcarmart are not priced to sell.
Who in the right mind will buy a ~7mth old car at >$131k, which is the price of a brand new Forester XT.
Here is the photo shot from the latest catalog.
The latest car will have this LCD.
wah, very nice one, I am thinking whether can update my 2014 HU to LCD touch screen, don't know how much?
whether can the LCD� linkup whit mobile phone and project google GPS the screen?
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The Foresters listed in Sgcarmart are not priced to sell.
Who in the right mind will buy a ~7mth old car at >$131k, which is the price of a brand new Forester XT.
you mean�the brand�new FXT�selling on Sgcarmart from PI instead of AD?
He meant brand new from AD is 135k nego abit 132-133k.. 1 2nd hand dealer selling 7mths old car at 131k. Might as well buy brand newwah, very nice one, I am thinking whether can update my 2014 HU to LCD touch screen, don't know how much?
whether can the LCD� linkup whit mobile phone and project google GPS the screen?
you mean�the brand�new FXT�selling on Sgcarmart from PI instead of AD?
Dealers being dealers.. Always looking for carrots to chop.. They also need to price for nego.
Edited by Rayoflight, 21 July 2015 - 11:21 AM.
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ok. don't just throw me the numbers la.
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want to know your experience cause i drive a Mark X and semi keen on the forester xt.
Just a bit turbo lag, other than that it's fine for me
Hi Bro,
have you noticed while FXT engine in cool status,�cannot change to S# mode, is it normal? after few minutes it can be done
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I have not tried cold starting in S# mode yet. 90% of the time my car is in "I" mode, and 10% of the time it is in "S" mode. The car cold starts up directly in both these modes fine, and it still remembers if you were previously in S or I mode.
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However, I saw in this link someone said it cannot go into S# until the engine is warmed up, so I believe it is normal:
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http://www.subarufor...77/#post1456241
hi, Do you noticed any turbo lag�in acceleration?
I found a bit lag�in "I" mode, S# mode ok
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Yes, I find some lag in "I" mode. I think the throttle is also "buffering" your accelerator input to try to save fuel.
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Under normal driving not so much a problem, but in heavy start/stop traffic I actually don't like "I" mode. At first not enough reaction, then I press (too much) harder and then (too much) power surge comes. For those times I find "S" mode to be more linear and easier to control.
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My wife however is the opposite.. so depends on your driving style.
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I have not tried cold starting in S# mode yet. 90% of the time my car is in "I" mode, and 10% of the time it is in "S" mode. The car cold starts up directly in both these modes fine, and it still remembers if you were previously in S or I mode.
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However, I saw in this link someone said it cannot go into S# until the engine is warmed up, so I believe it is normal:
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http://www.subarufor...77/#post1456241
It make sense since S# mode will only change hear at higher rpm. So it need the engine to warm up.
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Japan: Since 1986, "regular" is >=89�RON, and "high octane" is >=96�RON, lead free. Those values are defined in standard JIS K 2202. Sometimes "high octane" is sold under different names, such as "F-1".
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taken from wiki. and confirm by checking JIS specs.
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ok. don't just throw me the numbers la.
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want to know your experience cause i drive a Mark X and semi keen on the forester xt.
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ok. don't just throw me the numbers la.
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want to know your experience cause i drive a Mark X and semi keen on the forester xt.
Forester for sure is nicer to drive both gentle or hard driving, other than the handling.
mark x Feels heavy when moving off. Forester seems to be light.
Forester Fuel consumption is also better than Mark x.�
i am getting about 10km per lit for mark x
forester is giving me about 11-12km per lit
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Forester for sure is nicer to drive both gentle or hard driving, other than the handling.
mark x Feels heavy when moving off. Forester seems to be light.
Forester Fuel consumption is also better than Mark x.�
i am getting about 10km per lit for mark x
forester is giving me about 11-12km per lit
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wah, bro
how come you get so good fc on forester? what is your driving pattern?
my experience normally 9 -10km/L in 70% urban and short distance (<10km)�driving, �
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I have not tried cold starting in S# mode yet. 90% of the time my car is in "I" mode, and 10% of the time it is in "S" mode. The car cold starts up directly in both these modes fine, and it still remembers if you were previously in S or I mode.
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However, I saw in this link someone said it cannot go into S# until the engine is warmed up, so I believe it is normal:
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looks its normal, unfortunately I threw the question to IM service advisor, they even don't know and need to check
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wah, bro
how come you get so good fc on forester? what is your driving pattern?
my experience normally 9 -10km/L in 70% urban and short distance (<10km)�driving, �
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i would say a good mix of highway and city driving. i would assume abt 60% highway.
40% downpayment ... right ?..haizzzz ...
looks its normal, unfortunately I threw the question to IM service advisor, they even don't know and need to check
Car so expensive now a day and they might not even own forester car. Don't expect so much from SE.
Currently there are 2 live Forester threads. I'll PM the mods to see if they combine both to 1. Easier to read
fully agree with you,
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Japan: Since 1986, "regular" is >=89�RON, and "high octane" is >=96�RON, lead free. Those values are defined in standard JIS K 2202. Sometimes "high octane" is sold under different names, such as "F-1".
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taken from wiki. and confirm by checking JIS specs.
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ok. don't just throw me the numbers la.
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want to know your experience cause i drive a Mark X and semi keen on the forester xt.
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Ha.. you've got the technical details. I was searching earlier and didn't find much info on what the RON rating was other than a few forum posts. Hard for me to comment on the relative driving experience since I've not driven a Mark X before. What I can use as reference is before the Forester XT I had a Honda Accord - similar type of non-turbo sedan car to your Mark X.
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Compared to Accord, driving the FXT is more fun because it is more responsive. When you see an opportunity to change lane or accelerate out to the main road etc it has the power to make it happen effortlessly. Some times when I am caught in the wrong lane, being able to outrun even the turbo-diesel taxis at the red light is a plus. I also like the great 360 visibility and feel a lot more confident in the rain and around bends.
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SUV suspensions are tuned for offroad, so they take bumps more easily - I slow down less for humps and patched up road works are all smoothed out. On the other hand, a sedan car's ride is more refined and quieter. On good roads the sedan is less bumpy and if your Mark X is like my Accord, it will also be better sound insulated from road noise.�
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Last year I went on a driving trip up Malaysia to Langkawi (last leg use ferry) using the Accord. We went with a convoy - a lot of people had large engine (3.5L - 4.8L) or turbocharged cars. It was hard in the naturally aspirated Accord to keep up with the group (however, it sipped the least petrol). I bought the Forester XT specifically as a replacement for this type of long distance road trip in mind. It has the power in reserve to safely overtake at highway speeds while going uphill, while smoothing out the potholes in the country side roads. The road presence is also more, so other cars are more aware you are coming!
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Will merge later
Carry on here
http://www.mycarforu...r-20/?hl=subaru
Just curious of anyone(especially owners) knows the current 2.0 XT has any issues?�
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Or is the "problematic service" of motor image resulting new owner selling away the car? B
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I have some rattling in the back seat or the back door since I got the car on day 1. Hard to pinpoint because when I sit at the back seat to search for it the sound will go away. Not too loud, so I just live with it.
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Brought to MI and reported the problem during servicing. They said they fixed it, but the sound is still there. Generally MI is fine to do servicing like change the oil, fluids, check battery (just follow proceedure in the manual). And with the 5Y servicing package included, might as well - the oil and fluids all already paid for. It's when you have something not standard like hunting for rattling noise that they don't know what to do.
wah, very nice one, I am thinking whether can update my 2014 HU to LCD touch screen, don't know how much?
whether can the LCD� linkup whit mobile phone and project google GPS the screen?
you mean�the brand�new FXT�selling on Sgcarmart from PI instead of AD?
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No, i mean 2nd hand used car listing on the Forester which is more expensive than a brand new pricing.
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No, i mean 2nd hand used car listing on the Forester which is more expensive than a brand new pricing.
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I saw it too. There are 2 less than 1 yr XT selling at almost new car price.�
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I saw it too. There are 2 less than 1 yr XT selling at almost new car price.�
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Really fishing for Goondus to buy from them, LOL
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Really fishing for Goondus to buy from them, LOL
Actually if it's a few months back it made some sense cos the XT was price 145k and above.
But now it looks stupid. I guess dealer didn't update price
Actually if it's a few months back it made some sense cos the XT was price 145k and above.
But now it looks stupid. I guess dealer didn't update price
They will claimed that their COE is $75k. Current COE is $65k.
current forester look squaries
current forester look squaries
If you are going for look, Forester is not suitable for you.
Subaru car had never be beautiful.
If you are going for look, Forester is not suitable for you.
Subaru car had never be beautiful.
From front maybe...
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But from back ???
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Don't you agreed the backside look awesome?
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From front maybe...
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But from back ???
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Don't you agreed the backside look awesome?
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The XT already No 1 in my shortlist car, definitely I like it.....
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I have some rattling in the back seat or the back door since I got the car on day 1. Hard to pinpoint because when I sit at the back seat to search for it the sound will go away. Not too loud, so I just live with it.
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Brought to MI and reported the problem during servicing. They said they fixed it, but the sound is still there. Generally MI is fine to do servicing like change the oil, fluids, check battery (just follow proceedure in the manual). And with the 5Y servicing package included, might as well - the oil and fluids all already paid for. It's when you have something not standard like hunting for rattling noise that they don't know what to do.
Interesting that you mention this, as I've a colleague who has the XT and also complains about rattling noises that MI is unable to pinpoint and fix. He says it's great value for money when it comes to performance but gets a bit annoyed by these little build quality issues.
Anyone who checked out Forester recently looked at the Outback?
How is it?
Interesting that you mention this, as I've a colleague who has the XT and also complains about rattling noises that MI is unable to pinpoint and fix. He says it's great value for money when it comes to performance but gets a bit annoyed by these little build quality issues.
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Subarus are generally known to have some rattle sooner or later. Having said that, the tailgate on my A class creaks a lot whenever I go over bumps, humps and pot holes. In comparison my Forester's tailgate is totally silent.
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Would be great if anyone knows a 3rd party shop that is good at fixing rattles...
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This is looking to be a really attractive car, am looking for an off-roader for road trips to Thailand and this certainly ticks all the boxes. Can I check with those in the know here:
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1) This is manufactured in Japan?
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2) Any high-spec engine variants or just the base 2L turbo with 240hp spec?
This is looking to be a really attractive car, am looking for an off-roader for road trips to Thailand and this certainly ticks all the boxes. Can I check with those in the know here:
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1) This is manufactured in Japan?
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2) Any high-spec engine variants or just the base 2L turbo with 240hp spec?
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We're on the same page! Can't wait to take my FXT on a road trip up to Phuket...!
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1) Yes, the Forester is made in Japan.
2) MI only brings in the 240hp 2L turbo, there are no higher spec choices.
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We're on the same page! Can't wait to take my FXT on a road trip up to Phuket...!
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1) Yes, the Forester is made in Japan.
2) MI only brings in the 240hp 2L turbo, there are no higher spec choices.
Actually the 240hp 2.0 turbo IS the higher spec. The base model is 2.0NA which is 10k cheaper.
In other countries they also have the 2.5NA, I think same engine as legacy, but MI didn't bring in.
Actually the 240hp 2.0 turbo IS the higher spec. The base model is 2.0NA which is 10k cheaper.
In other countries they also have the 2.5NA, I think same engine as legacy, but MI didn't bring in.
I though Malaysia import JDM�one at�280hp, isn't?
How come U.S FXT is 250hp?
Interesting that you mention this, as I've a colleague who has the XT and also complains about rattling noises that MI is unable to pinpoint and fix. He says it's great value for money when it comes to performance but gets a bit annoyed by these little build quality issues.
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A friend told me that the reason for low OMV for Subarus nowadays are that the cars are imported super bare from Japan - only chassis + engine + crap wheels, and many things are assembled locally. This is possible as Tan Chong had assembly facility set up many years ago to do WRX STI assembly for Subaru (can google it) for the region.�
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So suspect that the little issues are due to non-jap factory, "after-market" assembly - if this is true. Note that this is "rumour".
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But still good value lah
Different countries tuned their engines differently. Basically they are still the same engine block and same components. It's detuned in various countries for various reasons like emission standards or availability of high octane fuel.I though Malaysia import JDM�one at�280hp, isn't?
How come U.S FXT is 250hp?
SG has no say as we are getting the version suitable for our region where people are pumping lower grade fuel. If market here is big I think they will further down further (230hp?) To avoid the 5k CEVS surcharge.
But since JDM is 280hp, it show the potential our engines can reach if we take the effort to obtain the ECU of JDM version.
For me I don't really mind the lower hp as long as torque is the same, which is more relevant on local roads.
Edited by Pocus, 22 July 2015 - 10:19 AM.
with the coe down a bit and dealer stuck with the forester they bought earlier.....orbit good i say.
Compare Forester with RAV4, both are sold at JPY 2M+ in Japan for the base model, but OMV for RAV4 is $10k+ more than Forester in Singapore. My guess is MI imported base spec, and retrofit other features in Singapore to reduce that $10k ARF - leather seats, electronics, alloy wheels, etc.
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I wonder how come XT OMV so low? It's less than 20k normally..
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Also, I believe most Subaru cars share the same AWD platform. It should be more cost effective for the AD to stock parts locally compared with other makes that do not have the same cost effective platform.
Does RAV4 share the same platform as Thai Altis ? Camry ?
Actually the 240hp 2.0 turbo IS the higher spec. The base model is 2.0NA which is 10k cheaper.
In other countries they also have the 2.5NA, I think same engine as legacy, but MI didn't bring in.
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So the 2.0 NA engine is priced around 118k~120k thereabouts, with the 2.0T priced ~130k?
ok merged both topics as requested.
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Keep to 1 topic on the 2015 forrester
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So the 2.0 NA engine is priced around 118k~120k thereabouts, with the 2.0T priced ~130k?
Yup dude. SGCARMART is your best friend!
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Mark X peak hp is 200hp (Forester XT 240hp is 20% more)
Mark X torque is 243Nm (Forester XT 350nm is 44% more)
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However, it is not just the numbers that affect the driving experience. The 243Nm of the MarkX occurs at 4,800rpm, whereas the Forester XT delivers 350Nm at a more friendly 2,400rpm. And if you look at the torque curve in the brochure, around 320NM is already available at 2,000rpm.
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On the flip side the Forester XT is around 12.4% heavier and the AWD will have more losses than just a 2WD car.
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According to this link haioku is RON 98-100:
actually �FXT turbo cut in point 2400rpm too high,�compare to most�conti brands 1700rpm,
my�experience rare ramp�up to 2400rpm in Singapore traffic condition, normally 1500 to 2000 rpm
I though Malaysia import JDM�one at�280hp, isn't?
How come U.S FXT is 250hp?
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According to the article below, Malaysia gets the same 240hp version as us.
http://paultan.org/2...orester-launch/
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The hardware is the same between all the versions (240hp/250hp/280hp). It's all about the ECU tuning and the octane requirement. For Singapore use I'm happy with the trade off having a little less peak power, but able to use 95 octane instead of needing 98 octane. And like Pocus said.. what's important is the�torque is the same, which is more relevant on local roads.�
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Those who want to mod their cars can look for ways to flash the ECU.
Edited by db597, 22 July 2015 - 01:02 PM.
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2400rpm is already peak torque, turbo should cut in earlier. But you're right, many contis achieve their peak torque at lower rpms. I was concerned about this also before I bought the car.
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Maybe you can test drive a C200 to compare, the specs show peak torque at 1,200 rpm. I remember test driving that one around the same time, but found the lag of the C200 was more (though I suspect it is due to the 7G-tronic hesitating for too long, whereas the FXT's CVT gave immediate power delivery).�
Given Subaru's performance heritage, I would assume their are still using the TD04 turbos which are mid size. This allows the turbo to have a higher peak boost which results in a higher force induction, which explain the high torque figure. But the drawback is it takes a longer time to reach the peak boost hence max torque is delivered at a higher rev.
Just booked a Forester 2.0i for 117.8k 6 bids non guarantee. No freebies except a floor mat... Wondering how bad is the servicing at MI? If its so bad rather go to my usual workshop outside. Also hope COE will drop a bit on Wed, else maybe gotta wait, suspect AD will play a bit on coe
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Subarus are generally known to have some rattle sooner or later. Having said that, the tailgate on my A class creaks a lot whenever I go over bumps, humps and pot holes. In comparison my Forester's tailgate is totally silent.
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Would be great if anyone knows a 3rd party shop that is good at fixing rattles...
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Try BMS at AMK Autopoint. Owner drives a 2006 Forester himself and shop specializes in Subaru cars.They may have come across this complain before.....good luck !
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Try BMS at AMK Autopoint. Owner drives a 2006 Forester himself and shop specializes in Subaru cars.They may have come across this complain before.....good luck !
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Thanks, good to have the contact! I'll give MI one more try (it is under warranty afterall). If they still cannot fix I will go to BMS.
For the c200 of other smaller engine, I presume they are using a smaller size turbocharger. The advantage is it reaches the peak boost faster hence the torque delivery is more efficient and max torque come in early. However the peak boost of the turbo is smaller hence the force induction of the engine is lower. For normal driving conditions it doesn't matter and in fact may benefit from the early torque delivery.
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Makes sense. Also, we need to valuate the package as a whole - the transmission and traction delivery combine together to create the whole driving experience. From the test drive I found the FXT to be less laggy, despite the torque peak occurring at a higher rpm.
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Thanks, good to have the contact! I'll give MI one more try (it is under warranty afterall). If they still cannot fix I will go to BMS.
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For non engine or electrical parts, I don't think warranty will be affected
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For non engine or electrical parts, I don't think warranty will be affected
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Don't get hopes too high though, from my experience with BMS, they can do engines, exhausts, suspensions and electricals, but never heard of them tackling rattles..
Don't get hopes too high though, from my experience with BMS, they can do engines, exhausts, suspensions and electricals, but never heard of them tackling rattles..
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I had a problem with wind noise whilst driving and two workshops I went to said it was the rubber seals on door. Ah Yan from BMS expertly diagnosed it was the side mirror seal that was worn. True enough, after changing; noise was gone. Seems many old Foresters had this issue too. So if the rattling noise is common enough, likely they will have come across the problem.
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Just wandering how much will MI reduce the produce after the drop in COE.
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FXT is also in my radar and i have been watching the price fluctuation. Hope to see 125K this time.
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FXT is also in my radar and i have been watching the price fluctuation. Hope to see 125K this time.
I have doubt they will reduce $8k.
My current car COE left 1yr, still got time to wait.
I have doubt they will reduce $8k.
My current car COE left 1yr, still got time to wait.
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What other cars have you shortlisted?
I haven't start my shopping actually. FXT caught my attention purely due to its spec vs price factor.
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What other cars have you shortlisted?
I haven't start my shopping actually. FXT caught my attention purely due to its spec vs price factor.
Wife like the B Class, but I prefer the XT.
Felt try that most value for money for it performance, space and price..
Also consider Harrier, but after test driving the XT I don't think will get the Harrier.
my wife prefers the Xtrail simply because she felt more comfortable with the Nissan interior.. But I am getting what I like instead of what she likes since I'm driving 99% of the timeWife like the B Class, but I prefer the XT.
Felt try that most value for money for it performance, space and price..
Also consider Harrier, but after test driving the XT I don't think will get the Harrier.
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Makes sense. Also, we need to valuate the package as a whole - the transmission and traction delivery combine together to create the whole driving experience. From the test drive I found the FXT to be less laggy, despite the torque peak occurring at a higher rpm.
how come FXT cabin air circulation always turn off itself, outside�air with smell�comes in cabin?
my wife prefers the Xtrail simply because she felt more comfortable with the Nissan interior.. But I am getting what I like instead of what she likes since I'm driving 99% of the time
So you like the Forester? Cat B price drop is now very tempting.
So you like the Forester? Cat B price drop is now very tempting.
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Forester or Legacy would be very tempting...
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Forester or Legacy would be very tempting...
Legacy? forget it lah,
2.5NA got high road tax, and sluggish pickup
how come FXT cabin air circulation always turn off itself, outside�air with smell�comes in cabin?
That is similar to BMW. I think that is a requirement for Europe market.
Legacy? forget it lah,
2.5NA got high road tax, and sluggish pickup
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haha okok... you are the 2nd person in 2nd day to shoot legacy.
Legacy? forget it lah,
2.5NA got high road tax, and sluggish pickup
Cannot understand why can't they use the engine for XT.
That is similar to BMW. I think that is a requirement for Europe market.
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I thought a lot of cars are like that?
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Mitsubishi and Hyundai at least.
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Got manual override for the Forester?
how come FXT cabin air circulation always turn off itself, outside�air with smell�comes in cabin?
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I think the Forester automatically tries to take in fresh air if it thinks it can save energy by taking fresh air instead of cooling recycled air. Problem is their air filter doesn't remove the odour of the air coming in. Normally I change it so that the "Auto" word is off, then it won't try to take in fresh air anymore.
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P.s. my A Class always defaults to fresh air whenever I first turn on the car. It never remembers my previous setting. However, it has a better filter and the odour from other cars' exhaust is not much.
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I am interested in the forester XT. Would like to ask does MI usually secure on first bid? I heard SE always claim they dont fail on first bid(although this is SE common trick to get you to signing 6 bids non guaranteed.) What is the best option to take, of course not at exorbitant premium
I am interested in the forester XT. Would like to ask does MI usually secure on first bid? I heard SE always claim they dont fail on first bid(although this is SE common trick to get you to signing 6 bids non guaranteed.) What is the best option to take, of course not at exorbitant premium
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Existing owner can advise.... this will help potential buyer to negotiate....
I signed for a XT.� First bid did not made it.� Wait for the 2nd bid next month.� Cost $132++ Got no extra.� List price minus $3k.
I signed for a XT.� First bid did not made it.� Wait for the 2nd bid next month.� Cost $132++ Got no extra.� List price minus $3k.
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I thought list price before July 2nd bid is $133,800? Why minus $3k still $132++??
Plus insurance and Blackvue in car camera.
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I'm in similar position with you i.e. comparing Harrier vs Forester. But I'm looking at the Premium model so the price difference is substantial. $120K vs average of $147 for a Harrier Elegance with Panoramic Roof.
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I had been eyeing the Harrier as from pictures, the interior looks really lush. But after sitting in the car two times with different PI, somehow I didn't feel it was what I am looking for and didn't like the red "leather" trim all round the dash and car door. Doubt it may be easy to maintain after a few years.
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When I sat in the Forester Premium, whilst it was more basic, it had everything I need and I love the sunroof as it really made the whole interior brighter and more spacious. The steering wheel with all the fancy buttons is also a selling point as I'm looking for something like this.
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I have no qualms about the rest of Forester drive etc as my current ride is a 2006 Forester NA so I am totally convinced about reliability, drivability, safety etc, Seating in the new 2015 Forester, its like a totally different car altogether.
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I was looking at changing brands after 9 years and have viewed Mazda, Harrier, Volvo.� But having sat inside all the cars, somehow I felt Forester is the one I feel most comfortable with . The savings comparing to the other cars are also significant and I rather keep the money for family holidays etc.
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All that said, I have not made my booking yet but will likely do so soon as I expect the COE to soften in next couple of months.
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Hi Bro Cosmicclaw and all
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U can all see from my user id that I am a new Subaru convert (today) ! :)
Like some of you here, I managed to get my 2.0 premium after yday COE results, and yes to all who wish to know,� got it at first bid.
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Quoting Cosmiclaw report here as he also prefers the non TC one and is current driving one now.��I like to ask you for advice a new Forester newbie here.
Was told the solar file ( autotint) provided by MI is not ideal.� Can anyone advise if I shd change it ?� Car park at the workplace has no shelter so it is impt for me to look for a reasonably good film especially for heat rejection.
My colleague recommended me Vcool, my current airtrek used rikecool but it isn't good enough for me all these years of using.
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I look forward to your advice guys, and I am all excited to get my Forester, albeit a NA one....
Bro Cosmic, u shd seriously consider to make a move now ....:)
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Best Rgds
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Hi Bro, congratulations! �
Can share how much you paid?
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Hi Bro Cosmicclaw and all
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U can all see from my user id that I am a new Subaru convert (today) ! :)
Like some of you here, I managed to get my 2.0 premium after yday COE results, and yes to all who wish to know,� got it at first bid.
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Quoting Cosmiclaw report here as he also prefers the non TC one and is current driving one now.��I like to ask you for advice a new Forester newbie here.
Was told the solar file ( autotint) provided by MI is not ideal.� Can anyone advise if I shd change it ?� Car park at the workplace has no shelter so it is impt for me to look for a reasonably good film especially for heat rejection.
My colleague recommended me Vcool, my current airtrek used rikecool but it isn't good enough for me all these years of using.
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I look forward to your advice guys, and I am all excited to get my Forester, albeit a NA one....
Bro Cosmic, u shd seriously consider to make a move now ....:)
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Best Rgds
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Got mine at 1 bid in June. Had opt out of the window film they give, and got it done at v kool.
Any deduction of price when you opt out?
Any deduction of price when you opt out?
Only sgd 50.00.
Got mine at 1 bid in June. Had opt out of the window film they give, and got it done at v kool.
hi DTSW,
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Congrats! i got my COE at first bid yesterday.
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Looking forward to tips and pointers from fellow Forester owners!
Hi Bro, Congratulations! �
Can share your package and price?
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hi DTSW,
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Congrats! i got my COE at first bid yesterday.
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Looking forward to tips and pointers from fellow Forester owners!
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how come FXT cabin air circulation always turn off itself, outside�air with smell�comes in cabin?
�you need to set the temp below 24 degree C. �example 20.5 etc. � �The vent will automatically open (outside air) once the interior temp reaches 24 or 25 degree c.
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One bro here set at 18 degree c and the other suggested double tap the circulation button every time �you turn on the air con. �I set mine at 20.5
Hi Bro Cosmicclaw and all
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U can all see from my user id that I am a new Subaru convert (today) ! :)
Like some of you here, I managed to get my 2.0 premium after yday COE results, and yes to all who wish to know,� got it at first bid.
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Quoting Cosmiclaw report here as he also prefers the non TC one and is current driving one now.��I like to ask you for advice a new Forester newbie here.
Was told the solar file ( autotint) provided by MI is not ideal.� Can anyone advise if I shd change it ?� Car park at the workplace has no shelter so it is impt for me to look for a reasonably good film especially for heat rejection.
My colleague recommended me Vcool, my current airtrek used rikecool but it isn't good enough for me all these years of using.
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I look forward to your advice guys, and I am all excited to get my Forester, albeit a NA one....
Bro Cosmic, u shd seriously consider to make a move now ....:)
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Best Rgds
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Congrats on your new ride ! My 2006 Forester came with Huper Optik. Not too bad as it lasted 9 years although I can't really tell if it really works any more as I'm so used to the car
. I have a target price in mind and will probably wait for next few COE bidding before I decide.
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Booked at 117.8k with the std freebies.
Hi Bro, Congratulations! �
Can share your package and price?
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U looking at premium version?
Anyone gone to groomers lab for paint protection?
I was quoted 900, not sure will carrot head.
Please let me know via pm if not convenient to post here, thanks!
I set 26 Degree C already very cold, cannot further low�you need to set the temp below 24 degree C. �example 20.5 etc. � �The vent will automatically open (outside air) once the interior temp reaches 24 or 25 degree c.
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One bro here set at 18 degree c and the other suggested double tap the circulation button every time �you turn on the air con. �I set mine at 20.5
U must be feeling terrible at not getting the Coe despite price falling more than 7k.I signed for a XT.� First bid did not made it.� Wait for the 2nd bid next month.� Cost $132++ Got no extra.� List price minus $3k.
Wonder why AD just cannot bid the same level as me.
Did u drive a very hard bargain?
Edited by kingfisher1688, 23 July 2015 - 11:00 PM.
Booked at 117.8k with the std freebies.
U looking at premium version?
Anyone gone to groomers lab for paint protection?
I was quoted 900, not sure will carrot head.
Please let me know via pm if not convenient to post here, thanks!
Good deal..$117.8
Kingfisher, i am also considering some paint protection coating. Where/which is the lobang u mentioning?
Hi Etoh,Hi guys, am new here. Had also booked a Forester 2.0 premium and gotten the coe yday. A bit sian coe dropped so much, but well, not regretting and looking forward to collecting the new ride. Mine is a metallic grey, with the usual freebies. Top up for the blackvue front n back camera. SE says can only collect first wk of aug.
Kingfisher, i am also considering some paint protection coating. Where/which is the lobang u mentioning?
Also feel a bit sian cos nvr expect such drastic drop.
The smell of the new car will erase our sian-ness soon!
The paint protection place is At kaki bukit
If u can get a better quote do share with me.
How much did u top up for in car camera?
Edited by kingfisher1688, 23 July 2015 - 11:27 PM.
Hi Etoh,
Also feel a bit sian cos nvr expect such drastic drop.
The smell of the new car will erase our sian-ness soon!
The paint protection place is At kaki bukit
If u can get a better quote do share with me.
How much did u top up for in car camera?
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I feel that the moment you sign the dotted line, you must have worked out that you are comfortable with the purchase price and financially capable to handle it. So stop fret over it and enjoy the privilege of owning the car earlier than the bench sitters. Moreover you get to enjoy the higher trade off of your current car (I assumed you have) cos if COE drop, 2nd hand car value also drop.
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It's like stock market, selling too early or selling too late.
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If it's me I'll be drooling over what mods to do, what film to paste, what coat is the best�and what rims to change instead of sianing the prices. Priorities change liao..
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cheers!!
I heard MI will be bringing in Forester Manual drive. A few of my friend is waiting for that.
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Manual is only for the premium non-turbo. XT is exclusively CVT only, even the JDM STI version.
I like to ask you for advice a new Forester newbie here.
Was told the solar file ( autotint) provided by MI is not ideal.� Can anyone advise if I shd change it ?� Car park at the workplace has no shelter so it is impt for me to look for a reasonably good film especially for heat rejection.
My colleague recommended me Vcool, my current airtrek used rikecool but it isn't good enough for me all these years of using.
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I read that the Sunroof tend to heat up pretty fast so I reckon I would change outside if I were you.
Can try 3M, exp but good. I would invest on the best film they have to offer solely for the sunroof.
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Here is the photo shot from the latest catalog.
The latest car will have this LCD.
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I'm read from the US Forester forum, this HU is OEM from Clarion.
The us version comes with SatNav Maps, Starlink and satellite Radio, I doubt our version have all this goodies.
u also booked at 117.8k? seems it's unnecessary to choose guarantee package, right?
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btw, can also enjoy $2500 loan discount if I do full payment?�
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Hi guys, am new here. Had also booked a Forester 2.0 premium and gotten the coe yday. A bit sian coe dropped so much, but well, not regretting and looking forward to collecting the new ride. Mine is a metallic grey, with the usual freebies. Top up for the blackvue front n back camera. SE says can only collect first wk of aug.
Kingfisher, i am also considering some paint protection coating. Where/which is the lobang u mentioning?
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yes, also interested in premium version.
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can still get $2500 discount if I don't take loan?�
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Booked at 117.8k with the std freebies.
U looking at premium version?
Anyone gone to groomers lab for paint protection?
I was quoted 900, not sure will carrot head.
Please let me know via pm if not convenient to post here, thanks!
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Err..... it's loan discount.
Thanks for the kind words.
Greatly appreciate.
u also booked at 117.8k? seems it's unnecessary to choose guarantee package, right?
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btw, can also enjoy $2500 loan discount if I do full payment?�
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yes, also interested in premium version.
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can still get $2500 discount if I don't take loan?�
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U can do a cash deal with the 117.8k price with no adder
isnt 49k rebate value by MI too low considering the previous round was 66k. and the irony is some of the buyers who purchased didnt get their COE (even though it ended 58k). �curious to know the updated rebate value MI would give after this 7+ k drop in coe.
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does anyone know whats the premium to pay for a guaranteed bid with MI.�
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also is it true they "may" give open cat coe if they missed the bids (or isit another SE trick)
Top up $650 for the blackvue cam.
Have not shortlisted any shop or brand to do the paint protection but def something i will like to do to prolong the paintworks as i am likely to drive this car for a long time.
If you can get a better quote with Groomers Lab and decide to go with it, let me know.
Hi Bro Pocus, , thanks your advice on film.
I am still second minded on doing it myself outside, cos I dunno how to check if workmanship is good.
and if Vcool is overly priced.
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Congrats to all bros who gotten the car after Wed COE bidding, I am also new to the club, new to Forester.
I am hoping to like it ( 2.0 premium) like how I liked my airtrek non turbo which I drove for 10 yrs !!� haha
Am collecting it early Aug too..
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I look forward to more advice from you all rgds to solar films/ suppliers.
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Cheers !
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I heard MI will be bringing in Forester Manual drive. A few of my friend is waiting for that.
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Not sure where this info is coming from. Checked with my SE and he said no plans to bring in. A pity as I would far prefer manual to CVT.
Booked at 117.8k with the std freebies.
U looking at premium version?
Anyone gone to groomers lab for paint protection?
I was quoted 900, not sure will carrot head.
Please let me know via pm if not convenient to post here, thanks!
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Hi, you booked at $117.8K Is this without guaranteed COE?�
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Also, what are the standard freebies? Solar film and floor mat?
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Thanks in advance for your reply :)
Hi Bro Pocus, , thanks your advice on film.
I am still second minded on doing it myself outside, cos I dunno how to check if workmanship is good.
and if Vcool is overly priced.
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If you fear doing outside, Why not ask your SE if they can provide better grade film? I'm sure can be done if you willing to top up a bit more.
But imho still better to do outside, workmanship for solar film is pretty standard imho. It's the film quality that counts.
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Not sure where this info is coming from. Checked with my SE and he said no plans to bring in. A pity as I would far prefer manual to CVT.
Manual already lunched�in U.S market couple years ago, unfortunately its 2.0NA instead of TC�
Yeap, now jus looking forward to collect the car and enjoy! Well, its jus human nature to hv this heartpain feeling to see the prices crashes right after u signed on the dotted line. Like pocus mentioned, jus hv to move on to have fun with the new car. Nvr easy to time a purchase at a lowest level. Yes, i guessed i had a decent reasonable trade in price for my current car.
Top up $650 for the blackvue cam.
Have not shortlisted any shop or brand to do the paint protection but def something i will like to do to prolong the paintworks as i am likely to drive this car for a long time.
Which model of blackvue and come battery?
isnt 49k rebate value by MI too low considering the previous round was 66k. and the irony is some of the buyers who purchased didnt get their COE (even though it ended 58k). �curious to know the updated rebate value MI would give after this 7+ k drop in coe.
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does anyone know whats the premium to pay for a guaranteed bid with MI.�
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also is it true they "may" give open cat coe if they missed the bids (or isit another SE trick)
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U must be feeling terrible at not getting the Coe despite price falling more than 7k.
Wonder why AD just cannot bid the same level as me.
Did u drive a very hard bargain?
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Don't know what to bargain. Let Sale Rep do everything. They bid $57,600 for me. I find this amount is on the low side. Maybe they don't have the stock so delay my bid.� That's what I feel.
Hi all Forester bros here. I'm a 2015 XV owner, allow me to give my view on the MI's own in-house AutoTint film.
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Honestly speaking, I would suggest just take the in-house film if given as a freebie. � I feel the film is adequate enough. �The main aim is to prevent short term heat built-up, under the sun right? � If left for longer than 30mins, there will not be much differences between the various films in the market. � It will be hot !
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My workplace car park is without shelter and seriously I do not feel any differences with the film and other films which I tried on the previous cars I owned.
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So, save the money and spend it on other mods, I would say. � Those vertical LED DRL are exceptionally nice�
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On the topic of MI service, it is quite ok for me too, just go in with a realistic expectation (still a b&b brand afterall). � One good thing is the MI service is not too difficult to book (no long waiting queue compare to other popular brands) �
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Just my 2 little cents.
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Cheers, and enjoy your new ride !
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Hi, you booked at $117.8K Is this without guaranteed COE?�
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Also, what are the standard freebies? Solar film and floor mat?
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Yes, it is without guaranteed COE.
Lucky to have gotton it on the first bid.
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Several Bros who booked XT (turbo) didnt get their COE last Wed.
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Standard freebies includes Solar film, floor mat. Nothing much actually.
what you see is what you get on the showroom car.
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