mycarforum: 2015 Forester 2.0 part 10

soon it will be the Altis of SUV..

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I think that would be the Vezel...

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Ian.....just get it lah. I am driving one myself. hahaha.

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You too??? Small world...

Those still sitting on the fence, perhaps this will entice you.
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Introducing the Facelift Forester designs. Leaked to the internet earlier!
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What I noticed:
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Exterior
Finally equipped with a newly design headlamps with bi xenon projectors
New Rim design
New bumper design for 2.0i Premium
New rear lamp clusters
New grille design
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Interior
New steering wheel design with thumb grip
New trims�for door handles and gear shift
Colored LCD/LED�dashboard design
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Specs
Engine output and technical specs is expected to be the same as current version, but rumoured that the 2.0i has been�tuned to improve FC�slightly. Expect OMV to increase slightly too.
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Note: This is the JDM version, the export version may differ. Trims will arrive late 2015 to early 2016 in Japan. Not sure about international markets. You can try asking MI but I doubt they will give you a solid reply.

Edited by Pocus, 23 September 2015 - 12:40 AM.

Those changes you describe will bring the Forester much more in to 2015.

The new headlamp cluster looks like it is following the example set by the WRX/Legacy, and the projectors with the horizontal strip adds a "satki glare" to the front end for the XT with the gapping maw effect created by the "sports bumper".

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Subaru, I feel, need to be a little bit more trendy, imo. Perhaps this will be a step in that direction. [:p]

Edited by 7hm, 23 September 2015 - 02:52 AM.

The stock horn is quite terrible. Any recommendations for a louder legal horn?

Haha.. Who do you want to horn at? MILF at traffic light?

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Should be the standard sharp tone or super tone.

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The stock horn is quite terrible. Any recommendations for a louder legal horn?

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Haha.. Who do you want to horn at? MILF at traffic light?

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Should be the standard sharp tone or super tone.

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I know there are discussions about aftermarket horns in the group chat. But I'm not the horny type so I'll stick to stock horn.

The stock horn is quite terrible. Any recommendations for a louder legal horn?

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As long as it isn't one of those powered musical air horns, fog horns, just slap on a Hella horn from a stockist or car accessory shops like AutoBaccs -- test first in order NOT to waste your $$$.�

More incentive to wait then...

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Those still sitting on the fence, perhaps this will entice you.
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Introducing the Facelift Forester designs. Leaked to the internet earlier!
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What I noticed:
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Exterior
Finally equipped with a newly design headlamps with bi xenon projectors
New Rim design
New bumper design for 2.0i Premium
New rear lamp clusters
New grille design
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Interior
New steering wheel design with thumb grip
New trims�for door handles and gear shift
Colored LCD/LED�dashboard design
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Specs
Engine output and technical specs is expected to be the same as current version, but rumoured that the 2.0i has been�tuned to improve FC�slightly. Expect OMV to increase slightly too.
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Note: This is the JDM version, the export version may differ. Trims will arrive late 2015 to early 2016 in Japan. Not sure about international markets. You can try asking MI but I doubt they will give you a solid reply.

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Yeah gotten my Coe - hope to get my ride soon.

Usually within 2 weeks. awesome!

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Yeah gotten my Coe - hope to get my ride soon.

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Hi all,

planning to book this week, any tips on what to ensure is stated in the agreement or ask for in terms of freebies? Any other stuffs to take note?

Haha... try camera, sun visor, boot protector and tray, sun roof tinting.

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Agreement is std. Don't worry too much. If there is one saving grace, they usually get COE for the first bid and deliver car within few week if got stock.

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Congrats on making the choice to join the forester gang. �Can join us in our whatsapp grp.

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Hi all,

planning to book this week, any tips on what to ensure is stated in the agreement or ask for in terms of freebies? Any other stuffs to take note?

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Edited by Pioneer, 23 September 2015 - 08:04 PM.

You can think of what accessories you like to add on. Then no gst. Else after you sign, then you buy will have gst.

Hi all,

planning to book this week, any tips on what to ensure is stated in the agreement or ask for in terms of freebies? Any other stuffs to take note?

Haha... try camera, sun visor, boot protector and tray, sun roof tinting.
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Agreement is std. Don't worry too much. If there is one saving grace, they usually get COE for the first bid and deliver car within few week if got stock.
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Congrats on making the choice to join the forester gang. �Can join us in our whatsapp grp.
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Are those items successfully requested before?
Saw someone mentioned that the given window tint does no heat reduction. Better to do outside.

I only got floor mat and some accessories like umbrella, cap, key chain. Haha.. others have more luck.

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I am ok with the window tint but it is definitely not the best money can buy.

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Are those items successfully requested before?
Saw someone mentioned that the given window tint does no heat reduction. Better to do outside.

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You can think of what accessories you like to add on. Then no gst. Else after you sign, then you buy will have gst.

What will be worthwhile to buy from Motor Image for Forester?

I only got floor mat and some accessories like umbrella, cap, key chain. Haha.. others have more luck.
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I am ok with the window tint but it is definitely not the best money can buy.
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If its 3M car mat, then ok else normal type will Chui quite soon.

Anyone knows why local Forest doesn't come with GPS ? Singapore too small?

dont worry - you wont be worse off than me.

i got zero freebies. all i got was the standard - no free mat, no boot protector, nothing.

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i didnt take much loan - so i think the SE also didnt earn much so we cut the conversation short as well.�

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likely going to order 3m car mat, use back my old itronic camera and all is good to go. can i join the whatsapp group?

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Anyone knows why local Forest doesn't come with GPS ? Singapore too small?

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i think they wont want to up the omv much. the HU is factory fitted (not after market) so if need GPS need to order fro Factory one. my previous car - the GPS cost $7k (need to change the entire HU..

Food for thought; Subaru sold 83 SUVs in July and 146 SUVs in August. How many of these are Foresters? [:)]

Anyone knows why local Forest doesn't come with GPS ? Singapore too small?

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Might be OMV thing, but also might be that the Subaru StarLink system don't have maps in Singapore. A lot of brands don't have maps for Singapore.

like if you want rear under spoiler or front under spoiler, etc.
of cos, some u can also wait later use mi points to offset.

What will be worthwhile to buy from Motor Image for Forester?

If its 3M car mat, then ok else normal type will Chui quite soon.

Food for thought; Subaru sold 83 SUVs in July and 146 SUVs in August. How many of these are Foresters?

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Might be OMV thing, but also might be that the Subaru StarLink system don't have maps in Singapore. A lot of brands don't have maps for Singapore.

all foresters... U already say SUV and Subaru only have 1 suv
Is that a trick question?

all foresters... U already say SUV and Subaru only have 1 suv
Is that a trick question?

Outback ?

Thought I'd share this. For those still considering the Forester, safety is one of the key deciding factor why I bought the car...�http://www.iihs.org/...uv/2014#jump-to

Not bad, good to know. by the way - an the brothers here help recommend some of the things that need to be bought?

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i only thinking of 3m car mat at the moment (with boot). not sure if subaru comes with official boot protector - will get subaru one if there is.

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i think they wont want to up the omv much. the HU is factory fitted (not after market) so if need GPS need to order fro Factory one. my previous car - the GPS cost $7k (need to change the entire HU..

Thanks for the info. Is it a hardware part or just a software that I need to order?

all foresters... U already say SUV and Subaru only have 1 suv
Is that a trick question?

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Outback ?

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Indeed, I believe the Outback is classified as a SUV as well. A large one, but a SUV nontheless.

PM me your contact no.�

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dont worry - you wont be worse off than me.

i got zero freebies. all i got was the standard - no free mat, no boot protector, nothing.

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i didnt take much loan - so i think the SE also didnt earn much so we cut the conversation short as well.�

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likely going to order 3m car mat, use back my old itronic camera and all is good to go. can i join the whatsapp group?

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i think they wont want to up the omv much. the HU is factory fitted (not after market) so if need GPS need to order fro Factory one. my previous car - the GPS cost $7k (need to change the entire HU..

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Thought I'd share this. For those still considering the Forester, safety is one of the key deciding factor why I bought the car...�http://www.iihs.org/...uv/2014#jump-to

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I realized from the videos of many car models, the rim broke into many pieces... Perhaps it's also safer that way to prevent the rim from invading into the cabin.

Not bad, good to know. by the way - an the brothers here help recommend some of the things that need to be bought?

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i only thinking of 3m car mat at the moment (with boot). not sure if subaru comes with official boot protector - will get subaru one if there is.

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3A car mat quality is just as good but�at a much cheaper price. The longest I have used is 5 years but that is because I sold my car after 5 years. The mats�were still in good conditions when I sold the car. They can customized the mat size for your boot as well.

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Just booked the Forester 2.0X.

No freebies and no Blackvue camera.

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Did you break in your Subaru ? Or just drive normally for the 1st �1kkm?

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I went there today also no freebies�

No 5 years free servicing.

Maybe we kenna the same SE

Hi all,

planning to book this week, any tips on what to ensure is stated in the agreement or ask for in terms of freebies? Any other stuffs to take note?

Ask for free front & back camera!

Otherwise 5 yrs free servicing

dont worry - you wont be worse off than me.

i got zero freebies. all i got was the standard - no free mat, no boot protector, nothing.

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i didnt take much loan - so i think the SE also didnt earn much so we cut the conversation short as well.�

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likely going to order 3m car mat, use back my old itronic camera and all is good to go. can i join the whatsapp group?

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i think they wont want to up the omv much. the HU is factory fitted (not after market) so if need GPS need to order fro Factory one. my previous car - the GPS cost $7k (need to change the entire HU..

Yup, i went there today SE very stiff, no freebies too

Good luck with asking for free 5 yr servicing. It is worth 2.5k if you want to purchase it.

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Ask for free front & back camera!

Otherwise 5 yrs free servicing

Yup, i went there today SE very stiff, no freebies too

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Good luck with asking for free 5 yr servicing. It is worth 2.5k if you want to purchase it.
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Seems like nothing will be given. Other AD are more generous, like BM they gave 3M solar film, 3M car mat and 5 years free servicing.

Anyone knows why local Forest doesn't come with GPS ? Singapore too small?

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Nothing beats Google Maps. Because it takes into account live traffic. And it's constantly updated.

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Nothing beats Google Maps. Because it takes into account live traffic. And it's constantly updated.

Doesn't work in Malaysia if without data roaming.

Hai,� I need to have some advice from fellow Forester owner.

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I just gone for my 1000 km oil change.� Now I notice that my immobiliser

warning light keep blinking once I off the engine.� Is that normal?

How can I stop the warning light from blinking?

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Thanks.

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To be fair, you compare the profit margin between MI and PM.

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BMW 1 series - 44% Margin

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Forester - 33% Margin

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Considering the fact the MI install many more stuff in SG means the margin is even less. I guess it is easy to be generous when you have high profit.

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Seems like nothing will be given. Other AD are more generous, like BM they gave 3M solar film, 3M car mat and 5 years free servicing.

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Hai,� I need to have some advice from fellow Forester owner.

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I just gone for my 1000 km oil change.� Now I notice that my immobiliser

warning light keep blinking once I off the engine.� Is that normal?

How can I stop the warning light from blinking?

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Thanks.

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You mean this indicator? It's normal for it to blink when you turn off the engine.�

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You mean this indicator? It's normal for it to blink when you turn off the engine.�

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Yes, this is the indicator.� Thanks.� So its normal.� It will only go off when I on the engine.

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Nothing beats Google Maps. Because it takes into account live traffic. And it's constantly updated.

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I heard Waze does the same thing.

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Live Traffic does rely on data connection though, as mentioned, though GPS navigation itself can be used as long as the map is pre-installed I think

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LOL, I feel that complaining a car too powerful is like complaining one have too much money.

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She don't have to floor the pedal to use all the power, in fact all she now have to do is to tap it lightly.�Let the�CVT do it job, the car will still move smoothly like a normal car.

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Remember this:

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In terms of power, the XT can drive like a Qashqai, but a Qashqai can never drive like an XT.

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Some�drivers cannot control cars one... Too powerful,�some cannot handle...

Edited by Karu, 25 September 2015 - 03:32 PM.

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Nothing beats Google Maps. Because it takes into account live traffic. And it's constantly updated.

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Now I am using Waze, which I felt it is even better than google map.

Any idea why forester price increase while other car brand reduce in price after coe drop by 2k? Ty

Any idea why forester price increase while other car brand reduce in price after coe drop by 2k? Ty

The price was increased on 21st sept before the COE results. Maybe they have not update after the COE results are out. It's weird though why they increased the price so early.

Tot tat is for XT FC from some of the feedback here earlier?

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I got about 8 to 9km per litre for my XT... maybe it's my driving style.

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I got about 8 to 9km per litre for my XT... maybe it's my driving style.

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Oh... I drive from North West to CBD everyday for work.. using AYE... so about 50% highway...�

SE cannot hint one lah, must thick skin otherwise sure kenna makan

Don't hint leh, how abt u try to be direct?

28 September 2015 - 07:02 AM
Viking75

Since u have already test drive, probably u have already lock with the said SE. Why still asking for other SE?

Regarding the gear change sound, i believe i have the same experience.

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My XT do give a 'thudd' sound when i change from D to R or when P to R previously. I have 'resolved' or found the issue. i believe it is the speed of us changing gear..... we are too fast haha. It is more apparent when the car is 'cold'. I have since slow down on the speed of gear changing. Be gentle and a couple seconds slower.�

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In any case, i did bought up the issue when i send for my first servicing, Yes, the Service Representive said it is normal. The current gear stick was made tighter verus the previous versions (which said to have more freeplay/more loose). They tuned the gear stick and made it not as tight. It work well since and i also continue to be slower in gearing change.

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When car is cold, the gear fluid may not have fully distributed and thus the 'thudd' sound occurs more easily.�The service guy also say no issue on the gear box. Do make sure that the car is at complete stop before changing gear.

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The next apparent issue i had was the shuddering of the car, especially when car is cold. Once again, was assured that it was normal. XT is a turbo car, RPM is high (abv 1500 when car is idling) so it is a side effect. And also that the horizontal opposed configuration of the Boxer engine plays a part too. But well, small issue verus the good ride and the power of the XT. Enjoying every moment of it.�

28 September 2015 - 07:17 AM
Viking75

On FC of XT, i am having at 11.4-12.6L/100km. Not fantastic but very decent for me as it is 80% city driving, 20% expressway and i have a lot of waiting and queuing. It is ever better than my previous QQ+2.

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I would urge all fellow XT owners to try this.

Urban driving -> switch to 'S'

Expressway -> Maintain with 'I'

Or use 'S' throughout your drive.

However, if waiting or queuing, do switch to 'I'.�

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I use 'S' mode most of the time.

I do not change from 'S' to 'I' at traffic junction.

Will switch to 'I' only when waiting or queuing.

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Doesn't sound very logical isn't it. hahahah.

Well, it does give a better FC for me!

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Perhaps it is because in 'S' mode, the lighter the need to step on the accelerator.

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Do try and let me know if the same happens.

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Edited by Viking75, 28 September 2015 - 07:25 AM.

28 September 2015 - 07:34 AM
Axela72

May i know why u choose XT over CX-5 if exclude thier power difference?

What is their price Difference during yr purchase? Ty

Been following this forum since July. Tks to all fellow contributors, it made my decision to buy the XT so much easier. I been driving XT for the past month already, enjoying every moment of the drive.�
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Was driving QQ+2 prior. It had some problems and i decided to change car. Comparing the QQ+2 (version before this facelift) and XT, QQ no fight. QQ was so sluggish. FC was not good (slightly worse than XT). Perhaps the current QQ might do better than mine. Anyway, i lost confidence with Nissan and so didnt consider QQ or Xtrail.
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Test drive a few cars. Didn't consider much of continental cars as find Jap cars more trustworthy and more decently priced.
Mazda CX-5 .... my second best choice. Decent and smooth drive, nice shape, better FC, more modern interior.
Mazda 6 wagon - this is a beauty (well, at least to me)
Lexus NX - Sluggish, not worth the big price difference
CLA - Squeezy and sluggish
B200 - Sluggish, too family-oriented... lacked the fun element
Outback - more luxury, not bad, priced slightly higher than XT
Forester (XT and premium) �- like the XT for its Turbo. never sluggish, power whenever u need, can't feel any gear change.
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For freebies when buying Subaru, errr........ better dun have too much expectation.
Floor mat ok.
Cargo Step panel.... possible,�
Car camera.... not likely
Solar film... comes with already (However, my CO finds it no good and we replaced with Vcool.
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28 September 2015 - 08:15 AM
Viking75

I was test driving the 2.5 luxury CX-5. The price difference was about 20k. Should be around the same price differential as now. As it is a 2.5l car, it will demand a higher road tax too. The price difference is really a lot. XT is really decently priced. Though XT has a lower OMV, but, to me, the upfront price difference matters more.

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The drive in the XT is really good. Smooth, stable and powerful. This is a major draw for me. The CX5, while it is smooth, loses out in the power and stability (despite it being a 2.5l). I can take corners with XT without much braking (or even without braking) and it feels that ok. For CX5, i can feel the centrifugal force more.

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Like the CX5, hand brake thou. It is the 'press button' kind. It will be real good if XT comes with it. Outback has this 'press button' hand brake too.�

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The sun roof of XT which can open up is good. But seems i have no use for it.�

I would prefer to have the automatic sun shade.

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28 September 2015 - 08:24 AM
Axela72

So meaning the 2L CX-5 might be cheaper than XT? Ty

I was test driving the 2.5 luxury CX-5. The price difference was about 20k. Should be around the same price differential as now. As it is a 2.5l car, it will demand a higher road tax too. The price difference is really a lot. XT is really decently priced. Though XT has a lower OMV, but, to me, the upfront price difference matters more.
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The drive in the XT is really good. Smooth, stable and powerful. This is a major draw for me. The CX5, while it is smooth, loses out in the power and stability (despite it being a 2.5l). I can take corners with XT without much braking (or even without braking) and it feels that ok. For CX5, i can feel the centrifugal force more.
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Like the CX5, hand brake thou. It is the 'press button' kind. It will be real good if XT comes with it. Outback has this 'press button' hand brake too.�
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The sun roof of XT which can open up is good. But seems i have no use for it.�
I would prefer to have the automatic sun shade.
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28 September 2015 - 08:35 AM
Chucky2007

So meaning the 2L CX-5 might be cheaper than XT? Ty

I don't think he mention anywhere that 2L CX5 cheaper than XT. You have to calculate to see if have difference.

28 September 2015 - 08:58 AM
Rayleigh

Hi all,

I went down a week ago to test the XT and loved it.

I only have a question.. When i came to a complete stop after the test drive, I shifted from D to P and there was a grinding sound and feel on the gear knob. I shifted back to D and moved say a metre and did same, stop with brake pedal fully engaged, shift from D to P, the grinding sound was there again.

The SE said it was normal for all Forresters..

Is that true or is the SE not that knowledgeable?

And any SE to recommend ? An SE that will be more willing to throw in freebies?

I think the lock in period for SE once assigned is one month. Sometimes, the silent SE might gives the best deal. If you have yet to sign, some SE would not want to commit further without prior info on your commitment e.g. loan amount and period etc.

28 September 2015 - 09:07 AM
Ngbernie

May i know why u choose XT over CX-5 if exclude thier power difference?

What is their price Difference during yr purchase? Ty

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Your heart says XT your mind says CX-5.�

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Test drive both cars a few more times and go with the heart.

28 September 2015 - 09:29 AM
Pioneer

Bro, you really very cute. There is no need to guess which car is cheaper. Sgcarmart and LTA got all the information like OMV and Parf rebate.

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Price of car should be based on depreciation per year, not solely parf rebate.

FXT is $12100 depreciation per year.
CX-5 $12700 depreciation per year. (Cheapest model)

The 2.5l CX-5 is $13500 depreciation per year. How can it be cheaper the FXT?

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Even if more the same depreciation, the one with higher parf rebate will imply higher selling price and hence higher interest paid, all things being the same.�

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In term of profit from AD, Mazda is 27%, 25% and 24% profit for the 2.0A, 2.0A Premium and 2.5 respectively. Subaru Forester is 30% and 25% profit for Forester and Forest XT respectively.

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Price per BHP no need to elaborate.
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If you are trying to convince yourself to buy another make, then the best way is to avoid this thread. Always see you complain about Forester but still always in the thread. Haha...�

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Bro, buying a car is not so complex.�

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So meaning the 2L CX-5 might be cheaper than XT? Ty
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Edited by Pioneer, 28 September 2015 - 09:44 AM.

28 September 2015 - 09:39 AM
Chucky2007

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Test drive both cars a few more times and go with the heart.
you are so spot on.. got to bear in mind CX5 boot space is 70L lesser.. if always have a lot of barang to put, expample one full child seat etc.. then it worth considering

28 September 2015 - 09:45 AM
Imac

Regarding the gear change sound, i believe i have the same experience.

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My XT do give a 'thudd' sound when i change from D to R or when P to R previously. I have 'resolved' or found the issue. i believe it is the speed of us changing gear..... we are too fast haha. It is more apparent when the car is 'cold'. I have since slow down on the speed of gear changing. Be gentle and a couple seconds slower.�

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In any case, i did bought up the issue when i send for my first servicing, Yes, the Service Representive said it is normal. The current gear stick was made tighter verus the previous versions (which said to have more freeplay/more loose). They tuned the gear stick and made it not as tight. It work well since and i also continue to be slower in gearing change.

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When car is cold, the gear fluid may not have fully distributed and thus the 'thudd' sound occurs more easily.�The service guy also say no issue on the gear box. Do make sure that the car is at complete stop before changing gear.

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The next apparent issue i had was the shuddering of the car, especially when car is cold. Once again, was assured that it was normal. XT is a turbo car, RPM is high (abv 1500 when car is idling) so it is a side effect. And also that the horizontal opposed configuration of the Boxer engine plays a part too. But well, small issue verus the good ride and the power of the XT. Enjoying every moment of it.�

I think the 'thudd' sound is normal for Forester.

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I test drove a 2nd hand Forester before, also encounter something like that..."thudd...thuddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd....thudd".

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The used-car dealer said it is normal....

28 September 2015 - 09:50 AM
Pioneer

I used to think handling very important and I have drove a mx-5 before. I was not impressed coz it is quite slow.

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I realised torque and bhp more important than handling. FXT has more bhp, torque and space than CX-5 and cheaper.�

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I would't say CX-5 is prettier than FXT. One is sleek and modern, the other one is rugged. Different cup of tea altogether.

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you are so spot on.. got to bear in mind CX5 boot space is 70L lesser.. if always have a lot of barang to put, expample one full child seat etc.. then it worth considering

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Even if you gear stick pop up from gear box, used-car dealer will also tell you it is normal.�

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I think the 'thudd' sound is normal for Forester.

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I test drove a 2nd hand Forester before, also encounter something like that..."thudd...thuddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd....thudd".

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The used-car dealer said it is normal....

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28 September 2015 - 09:56 AM
Imac

you are so spot on.. got to bear in mind CX5 boot space is 70L lesser.. if always have a lot of barang to put, expample one full child seat etc.. then it worth considering

Err..bro....child seat suppose to be place in the front and secure with the safety-belt...it is very dangerous to put a child in the boot.

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If space is of concern..please consider getting a MPV instead.

28 September 2015 - 10:17 AM
Sopskysalat

Bro,

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Depreciation per year is useful if one finishes off the 10 year cycles. Else, the parf will play an important component in resale value.

Well, to start with higher OMV=100% Parf, i believe the selling price for new unit is higher too.

Anyway, selling price will largely depends on prevailing COE price.

Tks

Bro, you really very cute. There is no need to guess which car is cheaper. Sgcarmart and LTA got all the information like OMV and Parf rebate.

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Price of car should be based on depreciation per year, not solely parf rebate.

FXT is $12100 depreciation per year.
CX-5 $12700 depreciation per year. (Cheapest model)

The 2.5l CX-5 is $13500 depreciation per year. How can it be cheaper the FXT?

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Even if more the same depreciation, the one with higher parf rebate will imply higher selling price and hence higher interest paid, all things being the same.�

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In term of profit from AD, Mazda is 27%, 25% and 24% profit for the 2.0A, 2.0A Premium and 2.5 respectively. Subaru Forester is 30% and 25% profit for Forester and Forest XT respectively.

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Price per BHP no need to elaborate.
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If you are trying to convince yourself to buy another make, then the best way is to avoid this thread. Always see you complain about Forester but still always in the thread. Haha...�

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Bro, buying a car is not so complex.�

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Can I ask if idling rpm is above 1000rpm during traffic stop? 1500rpm at cold start is common even for NA car.

But if normal idling stays above 1000rpm for reason like it is a turbo car will mean it is burning more fuel at traffic stop and jams....

Hope someone can clarify.

Thank you.

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The next apparent issue i had was the shuddering of the car, especially when car is cold. Once again, was assured that it was normal. XT is a turbo car, RPM is high (abv 1500 when car is idling) so it is a side effect. And also that the horizontal opposed configuration of the Boxer engine plays a part too. But well, small issue verus the good ride and the power of the XT. Enjoying every moment of it.�

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28 September 2015 - 10:39 AM
Pocus

Err..bro....child seat suppose to be place in the front and secure with the safety-belt...it is very dangerous to put a child in the boot.
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If space is of concern..please consider getting a MPV instead.

Its quite ok if you anchor the seat in the boot and cover it with a tonneau cover.

28 September 2015 - 10:40 AM
Pioneer

Resale price is determined more by brand rather than parf rebate. Some cars can only be sold at paper value, some cars are sold way above paper value.

Look at toyotas vs says opel or skoda.

Idle rpm is below 1k at stops.

Bro,
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Depreciation per year is useful if one finishes off the 10 year cycles. Else, the parf will play an important component in resale value.
Well, to start with higher OMV=100% Parf, i believe the selling price for new unit is higher too.
Anyway, selling price will largely depends on prevailing COE price.
Tks
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Hi Bro,
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Can I ask if idling rpm is above 1000rpm during traffic stop? 1500rpm at cold start is common even for NA car.
But if normal idling stays above 1000rpm for reason like it is a turbo car will mean it is burning more fuel at traffic stop and jams....
Hope someone can clarify.
Thank you.
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28 September 2015 - 10:40 AM
Pocus

So meaning the 2L CX-5 might be cheaper than XT? Ty

2.0l CX-5 is stripped to the bone. Maybe not fit your expectations

Edited by Pocus, 28 September 2015 - 10:41 AM.

28 September 2015 - 10:41 AM
Axela72

I don't see asking too much question in forum is forbidden. Seeking various opinion is an offence here? The problem I am having is there is no clear cut winner. If not, I wouldn't have difficulty to made up my mind . There are priority, pro & con in my context and I am trying to figure out which car has the highest weightage to me. And I have concerns to test frive�all car in my list & check with their SE due the lock up period with the SE and time too (50% of my time are travelling aboard).

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As for the pricelist in sgcarmart, that is only meant for reference as it is not the actual selling price of the car. Some car has more hidden discount than others. e.g Altis OMV is 19.6k but currently selling at 107k due to promotion.

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Bro, you really very cute. There is no need to guess which car is cheaper. Sgcarmart and LTA got all the information like OMV and Parf rebate.

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Price of car should be based on depreciation per year, not solely parf rebate.

FXT is $12100 depreciation per year.
CX-5 $12700 depreciation per year. (Cheapest model)

The 2.5l CX-5 is $13500 depreciation per year. How can it be cheaper the FXT?

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Even if more the same depreciation, the one with higher parf rebate will imply higher selling price and hence higher interest paid, all things being the same.�

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In term of profit from AD, Mazda is 27%, 25% and 24% profit for the 2.0A, 2.0A Premium and 2.5 respectively. Subaru Forester is 30% and 25% profit for Forester and Forest XT respectively.

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Price per BHP no need to elaborate.
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If you are trying to convince yourself to buy another make, then the best way is to avoid this thread. Always see you complain about Forester but still always in the thread. Haha...�

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Bro, buying a car is not so complex.�

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28 September 2015 - 11:46 AM
Pioneer

It is not forbidden to ask questions but your questions all are pointing to "better not buy forester" because

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1. Speakers no good

2. FC no good

3. Parf rebate too low

4. CX-5 got more parf rebate

5. Tucson got better speakers

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Many brothers here already say there is no cheaper car in SG for 237 bhp and 350nm. Speakers can go buy aftermarket. Lower parf not an issue as selling price also lower. Poor FC is a result of its power and AWD.

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I know there are hidden discounts from various models you are looking at. Generally, Conti makes have more discount off their published price than Jap, ceteris paribus.�

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Once in a while, they need to clear stock so got more discount, like the altis right now.�

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If you want to go for precision to compare cars, then give a weightage for each criteria lo. Then award marks for each criteria and then add up total. Buy the one with the highest marks lo.

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Price should be an issue if the difference is 10k but the cars you mention, minus that expensive tuscon, all less than 10k difference. Depending on COE trend, promotion, etc, it is hard to say which is the cheapest at any month in the future.

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I don't know why you scare to lock in with SE. In fact for your case, it makes sense to test drive all the car on a day and then come back to look at it a few month later so you are not locked in with anyone.

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Before I buy a car, I will check review for performance and reliability, compare the models I am keen, in terms of design can price, then test drive and commit. It usually take me a month or so to research. I though I very KS liao but I realised you more champion than me.�

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I don't see asking too much question in forum is forbidden. Seeking various opinion is an offence here? The problem I am having is there is no clear cut winner. If not, I wouldn't have difficulty to made up my mind . There are priority, pro & con in my context and I am trying to figure out which car has the highest weightage to me. And I have concerns to test frive�all car in my list & check with their SE due the lock up period with the SE and time too (50% of my time are travelling aboard).

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As for the pricelist in sgcarmart, that is only meant for reference as it is not the actual selling price of the car. Some car has more hidden discount than others. e.g Altis OMV is 19.6k but currently selling at 107k due to promotion.

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28 September 2015 - 12:23 PM
Xefera

Link to the facelifted forester to be released

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http://indianautosbl...revealed-195760

28 September 2015 - 01:43 PM
7hm

Test drive a few cars. Didn't consider much of continental cars as find Jap cars more trustworthy and more decently priced.

Mazda CX-5 .... my second best choice. Decent and smooth drive, nice shape, better FC, more modern interior.

Mazda 6 wagon - this is a beauty (well, at least to me)

Lexus NX - Sluggish, not worth the big price difference

CLA - Squeezy and sluggish

B200 - Sluggish, too family-oriented... lacked the fun element

Outback - more luxury, not bad, priced slightly higher than XT

Forester (XT and premium) �- like the XT for its Turbo. never sluggish, power whenever u need, can't feel any gear change.

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Surprised those are "sluggish" cars. I thought the NX is pretty strong output in the turbo? CLA 180 slow feeling I understand, but CLA 200 & B200?

28 September 2015 - 01:45 PM
SimonChua_160516

It is not forbidden to ask questions but your questions all are pointing to "better not buy forester" because

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1. Speakers no good

2. FC no good

3. Parf rebate too low

4. CX-5 got more parf rebate

5. Tucson got better speakers

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Many brothers here already say there is no cheaper car in SG for 237 bhp and 350nm. Speakers can go buy aftermarket. Lower parf not an issue as selling price also lower. Poor FC is a result of its power and AWD.

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I know there are hidden discounts from various models you are looking at. Generally, Conti makes have more discount off their published price than Jap, ceteris paribus.�

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Once in a while, they need to clear stock so got more discount, like the altis right now.�

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If you want to go for precision to compare cars, then give a weightage for each criteria lo. Then award marks for each criteria and then add up total. Buy the one with the highest marks lo.

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Price should be an issue if the difference is 10k but the cars you mention, minus that expensive tuscon, all less than 10k difference. Depending on COE trend, promotion, etc, it is hard to say which is the cheapest at any month in the future.

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I don't know why you scare to lock in with SE. In fact for your case, it makes sense to test drive all the car on a day and then come back to look at it a few month later so you are not locked in with anyone.

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Before I buy a car, I will check review for performance and reliability, compare the models I am keen, in terms of design can price, then test drive and commit. It usually take me a month or so to research. I though I very KS liao but I realised you more champion than me.�

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If Alexa72 says "50% of my time are travelling aboard" - then don't have to worry about pumping petrol every 2 to 4 days (as quoted by Alexa72... since not around to fully finished the petrol so fast.

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For me before buying my FXT, did a bit of research on the cars that fits my needs (less than a week). Go to showroom on sunday (didn't manage to test drive cause my son was cranky already)... so went to test drive on Monday lunch time (Outlander, FXT and HRV* after narrowing it down the cars) and booked my car on tuesday :)

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*Testing HRV was to see what the fuss is all about with Vezel/HRV. :)

Edited by SimonChua_160516, 28 September 2015 - 01:48 PM.

28 September 2015 - 01:45 PM
7hm

I think the 'thudd' sound is normal for Forester.

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I think most cars is normal for there to be a thudd noise when engaging a gear... some cars manual box even have loud "ker-bluk" noise when pulling into a notch supposedly to give more assured shift feel... hahaha.

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Sometimes is just the gear-stick assembly design. It's not impossible to design the thing so it makes a sound when it moves through notches.

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As for Forester's noise, I dunno about that.

Edited by 7hm, 28 September 2015 - 01:46 PM.

28 September 2015 - 02:30 PM
Axela72

Why not? my current drive is 7km/L. Journey to my designation is ~1.5hr�(near�2nd link)�Return another ~1.5hrs. Per trip cost me more than a quarter to 1/3 of my tanks. Not to mention if need to travel to other locations. Besides, I don't use all my petrol before top up. usually a quarter�tank I top up,

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Not all test drive is as per expected. It is either need to wait for very long or no car to test drive. e.g. when I told the SE I want to test drive X-trail, she told me no car atm.

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If Alexa72 says "50% of my time are travelling aboard" - then don't have to worry about pumping petrol every 2 to 4 days (as quoted by Alexa72... since not around to fully finished the petrol so fast.

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For me before buying my FXT, did a bit of research on the cars that fits my needs (less than a week). Go to showroom on sunday (didn't manage to test drive cause my son was cranky already)... so went to test drive on Monday lunch time (Outlander, FXT and HRV* after narrowing it down the cars) and booked my car on tuesday :)

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*Testing HRV was to see what the fuss is all about with Vezel/HRV. :)

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28 September 2015 - 02:39 PM
SimonChua_160516

Why not? my current drive is 7km/L. Journey to my designation is ~1.5hr�(near�2nd link)�Return another ~1.5hrs. Per trip cost me more than a quarter to 1/3 of my tanks. Not to mention if need to travel to other locations. Besides, I don't use all my petrol before top up. usually a quarter�tank I top up,

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Not all test drive is as per expected. It is either need to wait for very long or no car to test drive. e.g. when I told the SE I want to test drive X-trail, she told me no car atm.

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What car are you driving now? Mazda RX8? The PI is worst than the FXT or some of the super cars . :)

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Well, I guess Vezel or Harrier is a better fit for you... better milage per litre and can change to audio that suits you... only thing it's PI. But then again, you have to compromise somewhere.�

Edited by SimonChua_160516, 28 September 2015 - 02:40 PM.

28 September 2015 - 02:44 PM
Pioneer

How's the outlander and HRV? I am curious about their feel too.�

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If Alexa72 says "50% of my time are travelling aboard" - then don't have to worry about pumping petrol every 2 to 4 days (as quoted by Alexa72... since not around to fully finished the petrol so fast.

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For me before buying my FXT, did a bit of research on the cars that fits my needs (less than a week). Go to showroom on sunday (didn't manage to test drive cause my son was cranky already)... so went to test drive on Monday lunch time (Outlander, FXT and HRV* after narrowing it down the cars) and booked my car on tuesday :)

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*Testing HRV was to see what the fuss is all about with Vezel/HRV. :)

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28 September 2015 - 02:53 PM
Axela72

My initial choice is Harrier. But after reconsideration, due to it is PI, sound systems need to mod (which I will never mod) and can't even test drive, it is�removed from my buy list

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What car are you driving now? Mazda RX8? The PI is worst than the FXT or some of the super cars . :)

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Well, I guess Vezel or Harrier is a better fit for you... better milage per litre and can change to audio that suits you... only thing it's PI. But then again, you have to compromise somewhere.�

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28 September 2015 - 02:59 PM
7hm

My initial choice is Harrier. But after reconsideration, due to it is PI, sound systems need to mod (which I will never mod) and can't even test drive, it is�removed from my buy list

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Didn't try the JBL 11 speaker system?

28 September 2015 - 03:00 PM
SimonChua_160516

How's the outlander and HRV? I am curious about their feel too.�

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For the Outlander - although it's a 2.4, it's a bit sluggish when starting off but after that it's OK. But handling and all (can't compare to FXT �).It's spacious 7 seater but no 2nd or 3rd row aircon.

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Able to �switch between 2WD and 4WD, which is good if want to better FC... but don't think can save much due to the engine size and weight.

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Another thing is that you have to manually fold the side windows.. there's no buttons to press to fold the mirror. Visibility from the driver point of view is not as wide as FXT. The all-round viewing like X-Trail will be a good addition to the outlander to improve visibility when parking

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For HRV, punchy engine.. expected from Honda cars. Interior wise, kinda basic but functional. The boot space is small, especially when you have toddler(s)... won't be enough when going for road trips up NSHW.

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But the price of HRV (S$130k end July price - premium)... might as well go for FXT or outlander (S$130k at the facelift launch)

28 September 2015 - 03:05 PM
Pioneer

Hmm.. Always feel that the interior of vezel is confusing, design wise. For some reason, the new interior design from honda has no coherence across most model.

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I shall go try HRV during their off peak period one of these days.�

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For the Outlander - although it's a 2.4, it's a bit sluggish when starting off but after that it's OK. But handling and all (can't compare to FXT �).It's spacious 7 seater but no 2nd or 3rd row aircon.

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Able to �switch between 2WD and 4WD, which is good if want to better FC... but don't think can save much due to the engine size and weight.

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Another thing is that you have to manually fold the side windows.. there's no buttons to press to fold the mirror. Visibility from the driver point of view is not as wide as FXT. The all-round viewing like X-Trail will be a good addition to the outlander to improve visibility when parking

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For HRV, punchy engine.. expected from Honda cars. Interior wise, kinda basic but functional. The boot space is small, especially when you have toddler(s)... won't be enough when going for road trips up NSHW.

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But the price of HRV (S$130k end July price - premium)... might as well go for FXT or outlander (S$130k at the facelift launch)

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28 September 2015 - 03:07 PM
7hm

Hmm.. Always feel that the interior of vezel is confusing, design wise. For some reason, the new interior design from honda has no coherence across most model.

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I shall go try HRV during their off peak period one of these days.�

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I agree on that, it's the main turn off for Honda's interiors for me these days. Too many clashing shapes resulting in totally incoherent design.

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The new 10th gen Civic that was unveiled in the USA looks like it finally ends that senseless trend of theirs.

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For Subaru though, I would like to see them use less rigid rectangular shapes. Maybe throw some chamfers or angled edges in. Everything is so... straight.

Edited by 7hm, 28 September 2015 - 03:08 PM.

28 September 2015 - 03:09 PM
SimonChua_160516

Hmm.. Always feel that the interior of vezel is confusing, design wise. For some reason, the new interior design from honda has no coherence across most model.

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I shall go try HRV during their off peak period one of these days.�

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Yeah... honda seems to focus more on the engine and handling than the interior space design.. that's the feedback I got from my friends too.�

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I agree on that, it's the main turn off for Honda's interiors for me these days. Too many clashing shapes resulting in totally incoherent design.

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The new 10th gen Civic that was unveiled in the USA looks like it finally ends that senseless trend of theirs.

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For Subaru though, I would like to see them use less rigid rectangular shapes. Maybe throw some chamfers or angled edges in. Everything is so... straight.

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The new Civic looks good and i heard it's a turbo engine too :)

28 September 2015 - 03:12 PM
Axela72

Too many different spec�and price range�from different PI and I don't want to take the risk & bet to trust PI. Not to mention some of the words�in �the car systems�are in Japanese. don't wish to�pay money to accommodate in order to own such car. Just my personal preference only.

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Didn't try the JBL 11 speaker system?

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28 September 2015 - 03:26 PM
Pocus

For HRV, punchy engine.. expected from Honda cars. Interior wise, kinda basic but functional. The boot space is small, especially when you have toddler(s)... won't be enough when going for road trips up NSHW.

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Punchy engine?? Are you sure you are testing a HRV and not a Vezel?

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I tested the car out of curiousity too. All I hear is the exhaust sound like it's fast�but the car is not really moving fast.

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You try suddenly accelerate from 40km/h to a target speed of 80km/h, can feel the engine is struggling while the exhaust note sounded like it's no problem. But I do admit the throttle response is fairly quick, typical of Honda.

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The Nissan QQ 1.2 powertrain felt more refine, as I said before if I were to choose HRV and QQ, I'd take the QQ..

28 September 2015 - 03:29 PM
SimonChua_160516

Too many different spec�and price range�from different PI and I don't want to take the risk & bet to trust PI. Not to mention some of the words�in �the car systems�are in Japanese. don't wish to�pay money to accommodate in order to own such car. Just my personal preference only.

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So what are your car choices left?�

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- FXT is probably out cause of the FC and the Premium does not meet your sound system requirements,

- PI cars are out.�

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Punchy engine?? Are you sure you are testing a HRV and not a Vezel?

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I tested the car out of curiousity too. All I hear is the exhaust sound like it's fast�but the car is not really moving fast.

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You try suddenly accelerate from 40km/h to a target speed of 80km/h, can feel the engine is struggling while the exhaust note sounded like it's no problem. But I do admit the throttle response is fairly quick, typical of Honda.

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The Nissan QQ 1.2 powertrain felt more refine, as I said before if I were to choose HRV and QQ, I'd take the QQ..

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Yep, tested HRV ... punchy engine compared to my old Mit Lancer EX. :)�

Edited by SimonChua_160516, 28 September 2015 - 03:34 PM.

28 September 2015 - 03:36 PM
Pocus

So what are your car choices left?�
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- FXT is probably out cause of the FC and the Premium does not meet your sound system requirements,
- PI cars are out.�

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Yep, tested HRV ... punchy engine compared to my old Mit Lancer EX. :)�

Mit lancer EX 1.5? Ok ok I get it...lol

28 September 2015 - 03:39 PM
SimonChua_160516

Mit lancer EX 1.5? Ok ok I get it...lol

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Yep.. EX 1.5... pick up is sluggish... after 2 to 3 gear it's fine.

On FC of XT, i am having at 11.4-12.6L/100km. Not fantastic but very decent for me as it is 80% city driving, 20% expressway and i have a lot of waiting and queuing. It is ever better than my previous QQ+2.

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I would urge all fellow XT owners to try this.

Urban driving -> switch to 'S'

Expressway -> Maintain with 'I'

Or use 'S' throughout your drive.

However, if waiting or queuing, do switch to 'I'.�

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I use 'S' mode most of the time.

I do not change from 'S' to 'I' at traffic junction.

Will switch to 'I' only when waiting or queuing.

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Doesn't sound very logical isn't it. hahahah.

Well, it does give a better FC for me!

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Perhaps it is because in 'S' mode, the lighter the need to step on the accelerator.

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Do try and let me know if the same happens.

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Hmmm... I shall try it for the drive home tonight

28 September 2015 - 03:49 PM
Pioneer

He's really very cute de. Come to forester thread say its not good enough. Go to other thread says he most likely buying forester xt.�

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So what are your car choices left?�

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- FXT is probably out cause of the FC and the Premium does not meet your sound system requirements,

- PI cars are out.�

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Yep, tested HRV ... punchy engine compared to my old Mit Lancer EX. :)�

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Bro, were you at the subaru workshop on last sat afternoon? Coz one of owners also shared that FC is better with S mode in city drive.

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Regarding the gear change sound, i believe i have the same experience.

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My XT do give a 'thudd' sound when i change from D to R or when P to R previously. I have 'resolved' or found the issue. i believe it is the speed of us changing gear..... we are too fast haha. It is more apparent when the car is 'cold'. I have since slow down on the speed of gear changing. Be gentle and a couple seconds slower.�

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In any case, i did bought up the issue when i send for my first servicing, Yes, the Service Representive said it is normal. The current gear stick was made tighter verus the previous versions (which said to have more freeplay/more loose). They tuned the gear stick and made it not as tight. It work well since and i also continue to be slower in gearing change.

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When car is cold, the gear fluid may not have fully distributed and thus the 'thudd' sound occurs more easily.�The service guy also say no issue on the gear box. Do make sure that the car is at complete stop before changing gear.

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The next apparent issue i had was the shuddering of the car, especially when car is cold. Once again, was assured that it was normal. XT is a turbo car, RPM is high (abv 1500 when car is idling) so it is a side effect. And also that the horizontal opposed configuration of the Boxer engine plays a part too. But well, small issue verus the good ride and the power of the XT. Enjoying every moment of it.�

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28 September 2015 - 04:10 PM
SimonChua_160516

He's really very cute de. Come to forester thread say its not good enough. Go to other thread says he most likely buying forester xt.�

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28 September 2015 - 04:20 PM
Axela72

Since none of the car is perfect, I still have to choose the "darkest crow" in order to get one right?

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I raise my opinion (critic). Too many ppls comment good (pro) about their prefer model/brand. If�ppls cant take critic (con), only want to listen to good words, how to improve?�

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He's really very cute de. Come to forester thread say its not good enough. Go to other thread says he most likely buying forester xt.�

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Bro, were you at the subaru workshop on last sat afternoon? Coz one of owners also shared that FC is better with S mode in city drive.

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