mycarforum: Rupiah/Rupee at risk, SG/HK risk property bubble part 43

mai tu liao

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another 5% drop in price will mean a good opportunity to buy! don;t wait until price rebound and regret deep deep

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like those pppl who thought D9 can drop to 700psf and end up buying at higher price � [laugh]

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Housing demand unlikely to decline significantly: experts

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Feb 3, 2015

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Some consultants believe the rising interest rates will not significantly affect the ability of homebuyers to service monthly mortgages.

�Rising mortgage costs will reduce housing demand but the decline is not expected to be significant,� said Colliers International�s Deputy Managing Director Grace Ng. This is because �interest rates are expected to remain low given that the US economy has yet to see a full recovery and Europe has just announced a series of stimulus.�

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And with the Total Debt Servicing Ratio (TDSR) in place, banks have to factor in a higher interest rate of 3.5 percent when computing the loan eligibility of buyers, she added.

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Owners who are holding multiple units or have over-committed to high loan quantums may face further �cash crunch�, said Ng. Colliers estimates around 78,402 units are set to be completed by 2018, of which 20,824 units are expected to be completed this year.

�If for a prolonged period, these property owners are not able to rent out their properties and service their mortgage loans, the market could see more mortgagee sales this year,� she added. The number of mortgagee sale listings is expected to increase from 160 last year to 200 this year.

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For investors who can manage their cashflow, Ng believes they may be better off renting the property out even at lower rent in order that may have some income to pay for their monthly mortgage bills, than selling their units at lower prices.

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For owner-occupiers, Ng believes it is the right time to commit to their preferred property. She noted a further five to eight percent slide in private home prices and a 10 percent drop in luxury home prices this year may offer a good opportunity for homebuyers.

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Edited by Wyfitms, 04 February 2015 - 11:36 AM.

Price is to be more "competitive" ?

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so after dropping for a whole year, a new development without balcony, and facing yishun industrial buildings is priced at above $1,000 psf

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and yishun condo opposite MRT is priced at $1,400 psf

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very low indeed

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Analysts expect new home prices to be more competitive

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Feb 11, 2015

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New private home units are expected to be competitively priced as developers prepare to roll out new residential projects amid challenging market conditions, according to analysts�media reports.

Real estate agency PropNex Realty said past transactions indicated prices of new homes moderated by 10 to 12 percent on average over the past year.

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Notably, prices of new units in the suburban areas as at end-2014 range between $1,000 psf for developments located further away from MRT station, and $1,400 psf for well-located projects, said PropNex.

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The range stands between $1,400 and $1,900 for units located within the city fringe and from $1,900 to $2,400 for those in the Core Central Region (CCR).

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El Development launched Symphony Suites at Yishun over the weekend.

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�In order to keep units affordable, we have done away with large units, we have no balconies, no personal enclosed space, no roof terraces and no penthouses. We have tried to keep the layout of our units optimised,� said Lim Yew Soon, managing director at EL Development.

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The 660-unit development saw 61 units snapped up at an average price of over $1,000 psf.

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Another upcoming project is the Sims Urban Oasis at Sims Drive by GuocoLand. Market watchers expect units at this development to be priced from $1,300 to over $1,400 psf. They also expect Frasers Centrepoint�s North Park Residences in Yishun Central to have about the same price.

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In recent years, sales of new homes slowed down after the government introduced a slew of property cooling measures and loan curbs.

Notably, new home sales plunged by over 50 percent year-on-year to more than 7,000 units in 2014. The drop in sales affected how new homes are being priced today.

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�What the buyers can expect is this � the price will be relatively attractive because today, buyers are price sensitive, developers are also relatively anxious in many of the launches to have that momentum,� said PropNex CEO Mohamed Ismail Gafoor.

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Edited by Wyfitms, 11 February 2015 - 01:30 PM.

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�In order to keep units affordable, we have done away with large units, we have no balconies, no personal enclosed space, no roof terraces and no penthouses. We have tried to keep the layout of our units optimised,� said Lim Yew Soon, managing director at EL Development.

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Did URA remove the free 10% GFA for balconies?

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Otherwise isn't it just extremely stupid not to have balconies? I would think that the additional cost of constructing a balcony would be extremely low compared to the price of the flat.

nabei ... really no $1000psf no talk for ulu condo ...

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Notably, prices of new units in the suburban areas as at end-2014 range between $1,000 psf for developments located further away from MRT station, and $1,400 psf for well-located projects, said PropNex.
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Edited by Wt_know, 11 February 2015 - 01:44 PM.

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Did URA remove the free 10% GFA for balconies?

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Otherwise isn't it just extremely stupid not to have balconies? I would think that the additional cost of constructing a balcony would be extremely low compared to the price of the flat.

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yes, cost is low, and it is free hence developers all max out balcony, living room, MBR all have

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i don't think the bonus balcony has been removed, there could be some revision to the policy though

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my guess why they opt to leave out the balcony is to market it as the cheapest condo in SG

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the units are around 700+ sqft for 3 bedder and cost under 900k. if they add in the balcony, quantum will exceed 900k?�

nabei ... really no $1000psf no talk for ulu condo ...

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2013 - ulu condo no $1k psf no talk

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2014 -�ulu condo no $1k psf no talk

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2015 -�ulu condo no $1k psf no talk?�

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[laugh] � [laugh]

Buy more , buy more !! Take more risk , put your fortune on the line. Listen to housing agents and part your money to their comm� !!

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I bought one of my condos at balestier at 300+psf in 2003 , historical high 1k+ psf , so ask yourself why should one pay such amounts in yishun ?? You mean yishun nearer to orchard or town than balestier which is 5~10 mins drive to both CTE and PIE?

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On top of that 99 years vs a freehold ?

Edited by CH_CO, 11 February 2015 - 02:22 PM.

By today, if people think that launch price is real transacted price, i am sorry to say that these people are STUPID.

By today, if investors (no real demand) still think they can make big bucks in a short time, i am sorry to say they are STUPID.

cheong ah, buy ah! Heeehehhehhe

Buy more , buy more !! Take more risk , put your fortune on the line. Listen to housing agents and part your money to their comm� !!

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I bought one of my condos at balestier at 300+psf in 2003 , historical high 1k+ psf , so ask yourself why should one pay such amounts in yishun ?? You mean yishun nearer to orchard or town than balestier which is 5~10 mins drive to both CTE and PIE?

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On top of that 99 years vs a freehold ?

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they are buying into the future�

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u might not have heard, the new orchard will soon be at yishun/ woodlands

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your cbd will be the old downtown liao�

By today, if people think that launch price is real transacted price, i am sorry to say that these people are STUPID.

By today, if investors (no real demand) still think they can make big bucks in a short time, i am sorry to say they are STUPID.

cheong ah, buy ah! Heeehehhehhe

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most of those who buy are not investors.. it';s real occupiers who need a house

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many ppl getting married and many ppl relocating to SG hor

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those who bought during the lehman crash in 2009 were called stupid cos the market was expected to tank

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those who bought in 2011 also labelled as stupid cos everyone knows that interest rates will soar soon and market will tank

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i would guess these stupid people don't feel so foolish today

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And i would soon be labelled stupid very soon cos i am also on the lookout to buy !� [:)]

Boy.... am I glad I am not stupid

Just poor nia

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Didn't know yishun is prime. Stop shifting goal post. Wow if you are a property agent , you are a damn low quality one.

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if yishun is not prime, then please explain why it is 1,400 psf and 99yrs

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whereas your balestier FH at the historical high only 1000+ psf?�

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u clearly do not appreciate what is prime and subprime� [shakehead]

Edited by Wyfitms, 11 February 2015 - 04:22 PM.

Thats why i said , go buy lor , buy more. Yishun is prime. By the way , show me to prove you bought. Else , same rules applies.

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I didn't know 1400 isn't 1k+ , i must have failed math.

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By the way , prices of condos in yishun range the same as those of balestier , thats was why i used it as reference.

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The volatility of prices are clearer in this context where prices went as low as 400-500per psf back in 2003 as well. So if you think 1.4k is sustainable , it is your choice.

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I have already stated my case to you, if you think otherwise , it is your opinion. I based mine on my own research , it isn't something i will buy at current prices. IF you wish to tell others that it is a good buy , please buy one yourself. Thats all. It is not convincing when people give all those shit and yet when asked if they committed , they say they are "looking" out.

Edited by CH_CO, 11 February 2015 - 04:52 PM.

The 660-unit development saw 61 units snapped up at an average price of over $1,000 psf.

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Wow , 10% take up rate , it used to be fully subscribed in 24 hours back then in its peak.

Edited by CH_CO, 11 February 2015 - 04:59 PM.

The 660-unit development saw 61 units snapped up at an average price of over $1,000 psf.

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Wow , 10% take up rate , it used to be fully subscribed in 24 hours back then in its peak.

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this one lousy lah

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the smart investors are saving bullets for the 1400 psf at northpark..�

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maybe if EL development hired me, i can help move more than the 61 units for them� [:)]

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this one lousy lah

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the smart investors are saving bullets for the 1400 psf at northpark..�

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maybe if EL development hired me, i can help move more than the 61 units for them�

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Dude go check the prices of THE INTERWEAVE which was completed last year before you talk about 1.4k is damn prime. Wow , employ you will move more than 61 units , so clever.� The other older ones , are pretty dated and ranged around 1k+ but they were sold at prices in the region 300~500 psf which represents a 200% return. For your yishun "prime" , it is at its highest prices in the area and it is only 1.4k and you call it prime? To me it is a risk given a potential higher interest rate and dropping rental yields.

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Go do your homework before you bark at me. Everything need to spoonfeed. Haiz , joker. What is new? Hahahaha aiyo , this forum is damn funny , filled with plenty which shoot themselves in the leg from time to time.

Edited by CH_CO, 11 February 2015 - 05:13 PM.

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Dude go check the prices of THE INTERWEAVE which was completed last year before you talk about 1.4k is damn prime. Wow , employ you will move more than 61 units , so clever. �

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chey, not near MRt or mall

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buy now sure lose money

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better buy those that are near mrt/ malls

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maybe can appreciate to 1700psf like jurong east condo

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chey, not near MRt or mall

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buy now sure lose money

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better buy those that are near mrt/ malls

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maybe can appreciate to 1700psf like jurong east condo

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Right , everything you say one. First you say property prices stablized and moving up , next claim he is no fortune teller , now tell me buy now sure lose money and still claims his 1.4k condo is prime when prices compared loses to the ones of 1.7k else where. Claims we are talking about places in yishun and claims he invest in prime , yet 1.4k is prime , 1.7k isn't prime and confirm lose money. WOW , not fortune teller but can tell me sure lose money but his property at yishun selling at 1.4k at a premium above the neighbouring condos wil not lose money. ?!?!

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Sorry no offense , i don't see any logic in your statements. You are flipping all over the place.

Edited by CH_CO, 11 February 2015 - 05:18 PM.

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Right , everything you say one. First you say property prices stablized and moving up , next claim he is no fortune telling , now tell me buy now sure lose money and still claims his 1.4k condo is prime when prices compared loses to the ones of 1.7k else where. Sorry no offense , i don't see any logic in your statements. You are flipping all over the place.

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Don't you realise he is trolling you on purpose?

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Don't you realise he is trolling you on purpose?

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actually i am pretty free and playing along with him. But it can be a fact when you talk to property agents eager to sell. LOL the conversation might be the same.

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Don't expose leh , i trying to play. Let's carry on .

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Eh those buy yishun damn smart , prime area , takes 1hour plus erp plus jam and mrt breakdowns to go to orchard. 1.4k damn prime , buy more. HAHA , dunno if the goons in propnex is reading this. HAHAHA

Edited by CH_CO, 11 February 2015 - 05:27 PM.

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Don't you realise he is trolling you on purpose?

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pichar lobang�

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ok, game over, time to go home� [wave]

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pichar lobang�

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ok, game over, time to go home�

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[wave]

i got lobang ...
only for the privillege few
venice of singapore wor ... muahahahha
nabei ... simi fancy word also can come out

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Edited by Wt_know, 11 February 2015 - 07:10 PM.

i got lobang ...
only for the privillege few
venice of singapore wor ... muahahahha
nabei ... simi fancy word also can come out

Wahahahah
So cheap ah
Can i buy 3 units?

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most of those who buy are not investors.. it';s real occupiers who need a house
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many ppl getting married and many ppl relocating to SG hor
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those who bought during the lehman crash in 2009 were called stupid cos the market was expected to tank
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those who bought in 2011 also labelled as stupid cos everyone knows that interest rates will soar soon and market will tank
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i would guess these stupid people don't feel so foolish today
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And i would soon be labelled stupid very soon cos i am also on the lookout to buy !�

Those who buy becos they need a place is fine becos there will be lots of leftovers.

For the records i was looking to buy in 2009 and concluded sale early 2010
Sold at prime segment market peak in 2013.

So i am really not sure who you talking about

The point is you talk so much, what did you do?
Only prata people to buy regardless of market
And prata people to sell regardless of market

Therefore dont talk so loud.
Be a bit humble.
Or at least make an honest claim that you hv put money where your mouth is lah.
Aiyoh....

Ouch.

What are you guys talking ah? I catch no ball

i got lobang ...
only for the privillege few
venice of singapore wor ... muahahahha
nabei ... simi fancy word also can come out

I went to see the terrace. Not many xxx of units sold....surrounding ....Left is bto, right is bto, front is very narrow water stream n another bto...

Watching this thread is much more exciting than watching Donnie Yen fight the Japanese in Ip Man� � :ph34r:

Watching this thread is much more exciting than watching Donnie Yen fight the Japanese in Ip Man� �

Well you have never seen anyone do kungfu with a cigar in his mouth right?

Muayhahahahah

Remeber to pay me some fees for the entertainment value i provided hor!! Wah lau

Edited by Throttle2, 11 February 2015 - 10:40 PM.

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pichar lobang�
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ok, game over, time to go home�

Hmmm...why everytime you post sure got 1 "praise". .? U self praise it it? Anyhow, I sure won't buy from u. Cos I dun like you. Talk until machiam all cows can sing like Andy lau.

Watching this thread is much more exciting than watching Donnie Yen fight the Japanese in Ip Man� �

Here donnie yen, jet li and jackie chan in one fight haha

See show must pay money hor. but nothing for lao pork to see.

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if entertaining , come come please donate/volunteer to this association below.

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http://www.ccf.org.sg , nothing is worst than a child having a shortened life because of cancer.

Edited by CH_CO, 11 February 2015 - 11:34 PM.

Hmmm...why everytime you post sure got 1 "praise". .? U self praise it it? Anyhow, I sure won't buy from u. Cos I dun like you. Talk until machiam all cows can sing like Andy lau.

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hmmm yeah dunno why suddenly got 1 anon praise for the last few posts

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maybe i make sense?�

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anyway thanks for the suggestion for self praise, maybe i shld try it, and give Jamesc�a run for his money in the member of the month competition!

Watching this thread is much more exciting than watching Donnie Yen fight the Japanese in Ip Man� �

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yes i feel that way too!

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sometimes it feels like i'm fighting 10 japs, but gotta remind myself it is just 1

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doesn't matter anyway cos the result also the same� [laugh]

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Those who buy becos they need a place is fine becos there will be lots of leftovers.

For the records i was looking to buy in 2009 and concluded sale early 2010
Sold at prime segment market peak in 2013.

So i am really not sure who you talking about

The point is you talk so much, what did you do?
Only prata people to buy regardless of market
And prata people to sell regardless of market

Therefore dont talk so loud.
Be a bit humble.
Or at least make an honest claim that you hv put money where your mouth is lah.
Aiyoh....

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look at my post, i wasnt talking about anyone

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i was talking about the tens of thousands who bought during that time

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no need to be so kan cheong and need to set the record straight, cos not every reference i make is about u lah� [laugh]

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as for your suggestion to be more humble, i will take it� [thumbsup]

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i shall show more humility by saying that i am no longer a property agent, but a cleaner in the property agent office

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and also i am staying in woodlands rental flat, only 23 sqm� [bigcry]

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look at my post, i wasnt talking about anyone
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i was talking about the tens of thousands who bought during that time
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no need to be so kan cheong and need to set the record straight, cos not every reference i make is about u lah�
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as for your suggestion to be more humble, i will take it�
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i shall show more humility by saying that i am no longer a property agent, but a cleaner in the property agent office
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and also i am staying in woodlands rental flat, only 23 sqm�

Ok take it i misunderstood. I sensitive. My bad.
But then dont quote me in your reply if you are not directing at me lah.

Your rental flat not bad. Good location.
You can capture the whole market in that "prime" area by staying there. Well done.

Ok take it i misunderstood. I sensitive. My bad.
But then dont quote me in your reply if you are not directing at me lah.

Your rental flat not bad. Good location.
You can capture the whole market in that "prime" area by staying there. Well done.

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yes, thank you, i think it is a good location too that is why i chose it

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hopefully when JB mrt is completed, the north region will boomz to stratosphere

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unfortunately i will not gain much also, cos it is just rental... i don't even have enough money to buy my own flat�

spore ... every place every inch is prime ... [sweatdrop]

yishun/woodland is simi new corridor

jurong is simi new cbd

punggol is simi venice of singapore

pinnacle no $1M no talk

D9/10 sibei expensive ... can only afford D24 and mao shan wang

tampinese got jewel ...

sentosa ... for FT

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north, south, east, west ... all prime leh ...

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so ... next area to develop is lim chu kang?

Edited by Wt_know, 12 February 2015 - 10:30 AM.

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so ... next area to develop is lim chu kang?

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ubi island..

spore ... every place every inch is prime ...

yishun/woodland is simi new corridor

jurong is simi new cbd

punggol is simi venice of singapore

pinnacle no $1M no talk

D9/10 sibei expensive ... can only afford D24 and mao shan wang

tampinese got jewel ...

sentosa ... for FT

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north, south, east, west ... all prime leh ...

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so ... next area to develop is lim chu kang?

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can buy land at LCK?�

why not ... LCK will be the new Bishan ... that's the future ... muahahaha

Sky Habitat II at LCK ... no $2000 psf no talk ...

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can buy land at LCK?�

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Edited by Wt_know, 12 February 2015 - 10:56 AM.

why not ... LCK will be the new Bishan ... that's the future ... muahahaha

Sky Habitat II at LCK ... no $2000 psf no talk ...

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better than bishan lah

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can create a bigger than bishan park plus can get seaview there

pulau ubin the next sentosa leh , you dunno meh.

Here donnie yen, jet li and jackie chan in one fight haha

Liao liao, forget the fight.
this year market anticipate more retrenchment and businesses may experience slowdown.
My bonus last year still can buy secondhand datejust. This year can only buy secondhand lady datejust.

How to buy another few properties with high stamp duty, high prop tax, high mcst fees, higher interest, lower rents

Finished already.

Now considering to sell my cheap car to buy a cheaper one.
Sell wife's car and ask her to take bus wth the kids.

Starting to sell Rolex too.
Oysterdate 115210 with black dial for sale at $4288 with box and warranty card.

spore every inch is prime ma
$1500psf is cheap ... $1.5M 99LH pigeon hole is a steal ... agent said one ... especially the sibei famous propnex ceo seminar
$1.5M is the norm affordable yardstick ... somemore what you want ... close close close deal ... lol

$1.5mil is confirm very affordable for average Singaporean for sure.
Why doesnt have a couple of hundred grand to down and his whole life to pay mortgage?

Chiong Yishun ah!
Heh heh heh.

Wah my tanah merah cheap cheap

Waw,after reading all these,thats mean my D9 FH condo bought at $1500psf is condiser than cheap liao� :� )

Edited by Ltk, 21 February 2015 - 03:33 PM.

Waw,after reading all these,thats mean my D9 FH condo bought at $1500psf is condiser than cheap liao� :� )

Yishun's 99 years leasehold already 1400psf, your D9 FH chow chow at least 2000 psf? D9 is now a bargain compared to prime Yishun real estate. hahaha...

Jia you buy more , more good years to come , not sure about lky but more good years.

Many lying low these years will be out to lay claims to our fat piece of meat and we shall see if there are changes and whether if there will be a smooth transition towards a better nation.

Where too much is given is not right and too much taken will cause social unrest. Good luck!!

Now i already affected badly already, hope no property bubble burst in sg

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U affected badly meh ?

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You have deep pocket can withstand any storms and test of time.

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No impact to you lah ...

Waw,after reading all these,thats mean my D9 FH condo bought at $1500psf is condiser than cheap liao� :� )

Anybody turned his head�and look at 2-3 years' ago purchased is cheap .

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I bought my FH behind Plaza Sing , 680sqft at 750k ....

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U affected badly meh ?

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You have deep pocket can withstand any storms and test of time.

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No impact to you lah ...

eh�

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u see me too up already haha

Wah my tanah merah cheap cheap

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Last year I bought a new launched at Tanah Merah, right infront of it MRT station

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I bought for it location in view of capital gain...�

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U affected badly meh ?

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You have deep pocket can withstand any storms and test of time.

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No impact to you lah ...

Anybody turned his head�and look at 2-3 years' ago purchased is cheap .

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I bought my FH behind Plaza Sing , 680sqft at 750k ....

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2 thumbs up for you .I bought 3-4years ago,along Kim Seng Road,this about 1000sqf unit is for me and my�wife after our retirement stay �:� )�

Edited by Ltk, 23 February 2015 - 11:15 AM.

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2 thumbs up for you .I bought 3-4years ago,along Kim Seng Road,this about 1000sqf unit is for me and my�wife after our retirement stay �:� )�

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I missed the good buy at Dorsett and Imperial .�

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Bang my head so hard ... sigh

Wah, so many buyers.

The market sure huat one lah.

No fear, cheong ah

it's REDAS turn to assist developer to cry papa cry mama ... huat ah!!!

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http://www.channelne...gh/1683804.html

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who say we don't welcome high network investor ... no $10M no talk la ...

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"Some high net worth foreign investors, who create jobs for Singaporeans and who have many choices of where they want to be from the world over, now feel that they are not welcome in Singapore," he added.

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Edited by Wt_know, 27 February 2015 - 08:49 PM.

If our gahmen is sultan johor, we might see certain developers no need pay stamp duty

it's REDAS turn to assist developer to cry papa cry mama ... huat ah!!!

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http://www.channelne...gh/1683804.html

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who say we don't welcome high network investor ... no $10M no talk la ...

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I find this argument more reasonable. If ABSD is to ensure affordable housing for Singaporeans, there is no need to have it for properties costing above 5m.

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Those rich people can easily fend for themselves.

Redas = developers = sellers

Pwui pwui pwui

Of course they want Govt to reduce CMs lah.

Wah lau eh......

If truly want to fine tune CM.
Govt should apply ABSD to beyond two properties per married couple and not per single ownership.

This means that a married couple can jointly own two properties without AbSD.

Instead of husband owns one and wife owns one.

At the end of the day it is still two properties max for two people except one creates a social rift and much possibly ugly endings.

So much for scholars.....ho hum...

Edited by Throttle2, 27 February 2015 - 11:52 PM.

Redas = developers = sellers

Pwui pwui pwui

Of course they want Govt to reduce CMs lah.

Wah lau eh......

If truly want to fine tune CM.
Govt should apply ABSD to beyond two properties per married couple and not per single ownership.

This means that a married couple can jointly own two properties without AbSD.

Instead of husband owns one and wife owns one.

At the end of the day it is still two properties max for two people except one creates a social rift and much possibly ugly endings.

So much for scholars.....ho hum...

Development charge and land price cannot go up mah

How cheap is cheap?

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500 psf I will buy.

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By the way, what is 2.5 bedrooms? Room for a hobbit?

0.5 normally refer to study lah

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500 psf I will buy.
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By the way, what is 2.5 bedrooms? Room for a hobbit?

Extra storage room, cant fit one person to sleep but can store many many cigars [laugh]

we are aiming hk style

600 sqft 2-bedder and toilet size can only fit hobbit

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0.5 normally refer to study lah

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Edited by Wt_know, 28 February 2015 - 10:16 PM.

How cheap is cheap?

Cheaper than all those silly outskirt ones lah
Will reveal only to serious buyers

Extra storage room, cant fit one person to sleep but can store many many cigars

Correct

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500 psf I will buy.
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By the way, what is 2.5 bedrooms? Room for a hobbit?

I would buy too (two)

resale EC huat ah
buy toyota price drive for 5-years and sell as Lexus price
free drive + make $400k-$500k ...

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Edited by Wt_know, 07 March 2015 - 11:27 AM.

May i humbly refer you to this article?
Thank you for reading
Have a nice weekend
Best regards
Tom

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Mai spread fear mai fear fear!!! More good years!!!

more good years ahead ... scientist also jump into property ... huat ah!

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Mai spread fear mai fear fear!!! More good years!!!

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Edited by Wt_know, 09 March 2015 - 10:03 AM.

No fear no fear

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Property agents so poor things

Value drop, commissions will also drop if still based on same %

and the effective rate is even higher?

Can you help me and some of us here understand what are is the difference and what the hell is this effective rate? Last time school got teach but I stupid, no understand. Keep seeing this word popping up.

Can choose not to borrow but cannot choose not to save

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Thứ Tư, 4 tháng 1, 2017

Rupiah/Rupee at risk, SG/HK risk property bubble part 43

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