Thứ Hai, 31 tháng 10, 2016

Tok Kok Sing Song Thread - Part 2 part 230

  • 09 January 2012 - 10:39 AM
    Raymondism

    I want also cannot. sad.gif


    can.. want me to send u the template?
    its very simple abt 3 lines only laugh.gif biggrin.gif tongue.gif
  • 09 January 2012 - 10:39 AM
    Mazdaowner
    Go overseas lor.

    no still working
    leave office around 9pm on friday.. last person somemore...
    waited for some stats to work on..


  • 09 January 2012 - 10:40 AM
    Mazdaowner
    Not with my present cars!! No lah. You thinking of doing that ah?
    Plane faster and cheaper lah.

    i can use for my LJ also?

    btw u guys drove to Thailand before?


  • 09 January 2012 - 10:41 AM
    Mazdaowner
    No need, I also got the template. laugh.gif laugh.gif

    can.. want me to send u the template?
    its very simple abt 3 lines only laugh.gif biggrin.gif tongue.gif


  • 09 January 2012 - 10:42 AM
    Whathefish

    I just washed and hand wax. No time over the weekend, plus both cars had to go out.


    err.. is your the other "Car" RB? u wax for her?
  • 09 January 2012 - 10:44 AM
    Mazdaowner
    Knn lap sap now, One Cayman and other MX-5, RB name is neither. dry.gif

    err.. is your the other "Car" RB? u wax for her?


  • 09 January 2012 - 10:51 AM
    Whathefish

    Knn lap sap now, One Cayman and other MX-5, RB name is neither. dry.gif

    wau hahaha....u might want to start your own WAXING business
  • 09 January 2012 - 10:53 AM
    Raymondism

    wau hahaha....u might want to start your own WAXING business


    r u saying tt MO wax for RB? sweatdrop.gif lipsrsealed.gif
  • 09 January 2012 - 10:54 AM
    Raymondism

    Not with my present cars!! No lah. You thinking of doing that ah?
    Plane faster and cheaper lah.


    pengz... i also know plane faster....
    then we dun need infantry and tanks anymore...

    Edited by Raymondism, 09 January 2012 - 10:59 AM.

  • 09 January 2012 - 10:58 AM
    Mazdaowner
    My car waxing and that kind of waxing is different hor.

    wau hahaha....u might want to start your own WAXING business


  • 09 January 2012 - 10:59 AM
    Mazdaowner
    I scat you forget mah. laugh.gif laugh.gif

    pengz... i also know plane faster....


  • 09 January 2012 - 11:12 AM
    Raymondism

    I scat you forget mah. laugh.gif laugh.gif


    i m not lau nang tongue.gif
  • 09 January 2012 - 11:19 AM
    Whathefish

    r u saying tt MO wax for RB? sweatdrop.gif lipsrsealed.gif

    wau hahaha....ENVY hor?
  • 09 January 2012 - 11:22 AM
    Mazdaowner
    Cho buay loh. shakehead.gif

    wau hahaha....ENVY hor?


  • 09 January 2012 - 11:44 AM
    Whathefish

    Cho buay loh. shakehead.gif


    then i CHO ..u see ? ahahaha
  • 09 January 2012 - 11:49 AM
    Hondacub777

    or u prefer sugar mommy?
    sleep.gif

    Dun care mummy or daddy,as long as got sugar can liao biggrin.gif
  • 09 January 2012 - 11:52 AM
    Hondacub777

    r u saying tt MO wax for RB? sweatdrop.gif lipsrsealed.gif

    Ah pork will say ERECT if he sees this wub.gif
  • 09 January 2012 - 11:53 AM
    Mazdaowner
    You knn really donno what is DIE. shakehead.gif shakehead.gif

    then i CHO ..u see ? ahahaha


  • 09 January 2012 - 11:54 AM
    Mazdaowner
    Don't use sugar, LJ add condanced milk and stand over ant hole. laugh.gif laugh.gif

    Dun care mummy or daddy,as long as got sugar can liao biggrin.gif


  • 09 January 2012 - 12:03 PM
    Whathefish

    You knn really donno what is DIE. shakehead.gif shakehead.gif

    wau hahaha.....by the next MU...u will forget about it liao...so i am safe haahha
  • 09 January 2012 - 12:12 PM
    Mazdaowner
    Not even remotely possible. RB will remember for me, plus the fact that,
    "Nin peh kah li ki tiow tiow, sia pang pia hor!" sly.gif

    wau hahaha.....by the next MU...u will forget about it liao...so i am safe haahha


  • 09 January 2012 - 12:33 PM
    Hondacub777

    Not even remotely possible. RB will remember for me, plus the fact that,
    "Nin peh kah li ki tiow tiow, sia pang pia hor!" sly.gif

    I got write in my note pad.
    Next MU,I attack on the front,u go on his back.Ask Ray to bring whip and handcuffs wub.gif
  • 09 January 2012 - 12:49 PM
    Mazdaowner
    Knn, you don't come and kay si, kay si hor, you also tio, for driving a Honda! laugh.gif laugh.gif

    I got write in my note pad.
    Next MU,I attack on the front,u go on his back.Ask Ray to bring whip and handcuffs wub.gif


  • 09 January 2012 - 12:54 PM
    Hondacub777

    Knn, you don't come and kay si, kay si hor, you also tio, for driving a Honda! laugh.gif laugh.gif

    Nabeizzzzz,I tot u too busy forget liao laugh.gif

    Let's settle him first.Then I volunteer to bend down for u and ray wub.gif
  • 09 January 2012 - 12:58 PM
    Mazdaowner
    Lan sai, no bargaining, you two tio together, think I donno, we hoot that fish si kow kow, you chow
    while we busy hooting him. dry.gif Clever, but not clever enough. laugh.gif laugh.gif

    Nabeizzzzz,I tot u too busy forget liao laugh.gif

    Let's settle him first.Then I volunteer to bend down for u and ray wub.gif


  • 09 January 2012 - 01:20 PM
    Jman888
    how come I cannot access to mcf since this morning, both phone and office??
  • 09 January 2012 - 01:22 PM
    Mazdaowner
    Lau nang ming kia is liddat one. laugh.gif laugh.gif

    how come I cannot access to mcf since this morning, both phone and office??


  • 09 January 2012 - 01:30 PM
    Rainbowbiatch
    wat happened to MCF ah???
  • 09 January 2012 - 01:31 PM
    RadX

    wat happened to MCF ah???


    must be that KARTer lah......hog forum laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
  • 09 January 2012 - 01:44 PM
    Raymondism

    Don't use sugar, LJ add condanced milk and stand over ant hole. laugh.gif laugh.gif


    copyright hor
  • 09 January 2012 - 01:45 PM
    Raymondism

    wau hahaha.....by the next MU...u will forget about it liao...so i am safe haahha


    i help to remind lor laugh.gif
  • 09 January 2012 - 01:45 PM
    Mazdaowner
    How can you say people like that ah? TRUE! laugh.gif laugh.gif

    must be that KARTer lah......hog forum laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif


  • 09 January 2012 - 01:45 PM
    Raymondism

    I got write in my note pad.
    Next MU,I attack on the front,u go on his back.Ask Ray to bring whip and handcuffs wub.gif


    my specialty is honey over ant hole...
  • 09 January 2012 - 01:46 PM
    Raymondism

    Nabeizzzzz,I tot u too busy forget liao laugh.gif

    Let's settle him first.Then I volunteer to bend down for u and ray wub.gif


    u wan honey over a** hole?
  • 09 January 2012 - 01:47 PM
    Mazdaowner
    I paid royalties liow. biggrin.gif

    copyright hor


  • 09 January 2012 - 01:47 PM
    Raymondism

    how come I cannot access to mcf since this morning, both phone and office??


    last time in iRC also got similar pattern call netsplit..
    here i dunno
  • 09 January 2012 - 01:50 PM
    Raymondism

    wat happened to MCF ah???


    MCF down cos u not well..
    now u know how important u r.... bigcry.gif
  • 09 January 2012 - 01:50 PM
    Bavarian

    how come I cannot access to mcf since this morning, both phone and office??


    sama sama.

    maju kehadapan, pandai cari, penlan jalan. happy.gif
  • 09 January 2012 - 01:51 PM
    Mazdaowner
    We play "Follow the trail"

    Tie them backside facing up. Use satay sticks to open butt cheeks, spray water on esshole, then sprinkle some sugar to STICK on esshole and legs. Then sprinkle a long trail, the ants will follow the trail all the way. Bring video camera. laugh.gif laugh.gif
    I will bring the picnic basket and mat. biggrin.gif

    u wan honey over a** hole?


  • 09 January 2012 - 01:51 PM
    Raymondism

    I paid royalties liow. biggrin.gif


    when???

  • 09 January 2012 - 01:52 PM
    Rainbowbiatch

    MCF down cos u not well..
    now u know how important u r.... bigcry.gif


    wow. sleep.gif
  • 09 January 2012 - 01:53 PM
    Bavarian
    how come we have Mama Lemon but no Papa Banana?
  • 09 January 2012 - 01:55 PM
    Raymondism

    how come we have Mama Lemon but no Papa Banana?


    hv... banana in mama's mouth... LOL
  • 09 January 2012 - 02:00 PM
    Bavarian

    hv... banana in mama's mouth... LOL


    ewww...momma swallowed all the siblings... sweatdrop.gif
  • 09 January 2012 - 02:00 PM
    Whathefish

    Not even remotely possible. RB will remember for me, plus the fact that,
    "Nin peh kah li ki tiow tiow, sia pang pia hor!" sly.gif

    wau hahahahaha... i will wear amour for the next MU
  • 09 January 2012 - 02:02 PM
    Jman888
    so only some important people cannot access to mcf rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif
  • 09 January 2012 - 02:02 PM
    Whathefish

    I got write in my note pad.
    Next MU,I attack on the front,u go on his back.Ask Ray to bring whip and handcuffs wub.gif

    wau hahaha.......NBZ...so u like to "sing" har....go for microphone
  • 09 January 2012 - 02:03 PM
    Rainbowbiatch

    so only some important people cannot access to mcf rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif


    me,u n bear. happy.gif
  • 09 January 2012 - 02:04 PM
    Whathefish

    so only some important people cannot access to mcf rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif

    important or impotent?
  • 09 January 2012 - 02:05 PM
    Raymondism

    so only some important people cannot access to mcf rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif


    ya la...
    song bo..
    hard already or not
    got pre cum or not?
  • 09 January 2012 - 02:05 PM
    Jman888

    important or impotent?



    you important, bear and i impotent laugh.gif laugh.gif
  • 09 January 2012 - 02:06 PM
    Raymondism

    wau hahaha.......NBZ...so u like to "sing" har....go for microphone


    better change car and change allies
  • 09 January 2012 - 02:07 PM
    Jman888

    ya la...
    song bo..
    hard already or not
    got pre cum or not?



    if i say cum liao you will feel excited right shakehead.gif shakehead.gif
  • 09 January 2012 - 02:07 PM
    Mazdaowner
    If Mama was a Lemon, and Papa a banana, what are the off springs called? biggrin.gif

    how come we have Mama Lemon but no Papa Banana?


  • 09 January 2012 - 02:07 PM
    Mazdaowner
    FARK YOU! Wahahahahaah! Even better!! I HAVE APIT rounds!! laugh.gif laugh.gif

    wau hahahahaha... i will wear amour for the next MU


  • 09 January 2012 - 02:08 PM
    Mazdaowner
    Only lau nangbuay sai.

    so only some important people cannot access to mcf rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif


  • 09 January 2012 - 02:08 PM
    Whathefish

    you important, bear and i impotent laugh.gif laugh.gif

    :P so u & bear are both VIP? (very impotent people)
  • 09 January 2012 - 02:12 PM
    Whathefish

    better change car and change allies


    so ex to change now? i rather get fark wub.gif
  • 09 January 2012 - 02:32 PM
    Raymondism

    so ex to change now? i rather get fark wub.gif


    true hor wink.gif
  • 09 January 2012 - 02:33 PM
    Raymondism

    if i say cum liao you will feel excited right shakehead.gif shakehead.gif


    i m not ah pork....
  • 09 January 2012 - 02:45 PM
    Whathefish

    true hor wink.gif



    win win right..they can vent anger, I enjoy and still need not pay more laugh.gif
  • 09 January 2012 - 02:46 PM
    Raymondism

    win win right..they can vent anger, I enjoy and still need not pay more laugh.gif


    ENJOY?

  • 09 January 2012 - 02:49 PM
    Whathefish

    ENJOY?

    tongue.gif tio fark mah
  • 09 January 2012 - 03:01 PM
    Jman888
    RB still on MC?

    or still cannot access mcf?
  • 09 January 2012 - 03:01 PM
    Rainbowbiatch

    RB still on MC?

    or still cannot access mcf?


    halo?
    u never see me?
  • 09 January 2012 - 03:04 PM
    Jman888

    halo?
    u never see me?


    see you but duno if you are back to work or not tongue.gif


  • 09 January 2012 - 03:06 PM
    Rainbowbiatch

    see you but duno if you are back to work or not tongue.gif


    oh sorry..
    i am back at work. biggrin.gif
  • 09 January 2012 - 03:10 PM
    Whathefish

    oh sorry..
    i am back at work. biggrin.gif

    u is back....but y so quiet...
  • 09 January 2012 - 03:10 PM
    Joseph22
    now a day, TKSS topic so chim i also dont know how to cut in.
  • 09 January 2012 - 03:11 PM
    RadX

    now a day, TKSS topic so chim i also dont know how to cut in.


    you see...that is the idea....we dun miss u laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
  • 09 January 2012 - 03:16 PM
    Hondacub777

    so ex to change now? i rather get fark wub.gif

    If kena fark can get a free car,I also want.I dun mind kena fark 3 times in half an hour ph34r.gif
  • 09 January 2012 - 03:17 PM
    Joseph22

    you see...that is the idea....we dun miss u laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

    so many Sodomiser here i also dont want you all to miss sleep.gif
  • 09 January 2012 - 03:18 PM
    Whathefish

    now a day, TKSS topic so chim i also dont know how to cut in.


    dun worry so much...just cut in...sure have people answer u
  • 09 January 2012 - 03:19 PM
    Mazdaowner
    Knn, you open, the casino all toh! laugh.gif laugh.gif

    If kena fark can get a free car,I also want.I dun mind kena fark 3 times in half an hour ph34r.gif


  • 09 January 2012 - 03:19 PM
    Hondacub777

    now a day, TKSS topic so chim i also dont know how to cut in.

    If u see WTF and Ray around,beri ez.They luvs to fark around biggrin.gif
    As long as u join in the farking team,u shld be able to cut in.Make it threesome with MO.
    Enjoy ur cum laugh.gif

    Edited by Hondacub777, 09 January 2012 - 03:20 PM.

  • 09 January 2012 - 03:19 PM
    Mazdaowner

    you see...that is the idea....we dun miss u laugh.gif


    laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
  • 09 January 2012 - 03:20 PM
    Mazdaowner
    You and honda go corner hold hands and stare into each other's eyes. laugh.gif laugh.gif

    so many Sodomiser here i also dont want you all to miss sleep.gif


  • 09 January 2012 - 03:20 PM
    Whathefish

    If kena fark can get a free car,I also want.I dun mind kena fark 3 times in half an hour ph34r.gif


    say so earlier lah....MO gave away many almost brand new MATCH BOX Cars many months ago.....
    he can shower you with his C&C (cum & car)

  • 09 January 2012 - 03:22 PM
    Raymondism

    If u see WTF and Ray around,beri ez.They luvs to fark around biggrin.gif
    As long as u join in the farking team,u shld be able to cut in.Make it threesome with MO.
    Enjoy ur cum laugh.gif


    U LJ...
    must be jealous of us
  • 09 January 2012 - 03:22 PM
    Hondacub777

    Knn, you open, the casino all toh! laugh.gif laugh.gif

    Wow,u look highly on me liao.
    But I believe so,I think even genting can close also laugh.gif
  • 09 January 2012 - 03:22 PM
    Rainbowbiatch

    u is back....but y so quiet...


    abit lost..
    2 days wean off carbo (as instructed by MO) so abit no energy..

    BUT TODAY I EAT CARBO! LOL!!!!!!!
  • 09 January 2012 - 03:22 PM
    Raymondism

    abit lost..
    2 days wean off carbo (as instructed by MO) so abit no energy..

    BUT TODAY I EAT CARBO! LOL!!!!!!!


    u wanna try my protein diet????

  • 09 January 2012 - 03:23 PM
    Rainbowbiatch

    u wanna try my protein diet????


    protein pu zua one. no thanks. laugh.gif laugh.gif
  • 09 January 2012 - 03:23 PM
    Raymondism

    protein pu zua one. no thanks. laugh.gif laugh.gif


    for u.. i will drink three legged water before that
  • 09 January 2012 - 03:24 PM
    Rainbowbiatch

    for u.. i will drink three legged water before that


    laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif like tat will dilute ah?
  • 09 January 2012 - 03:25 PM
    Hondacub777

    U LJ...
    must be jealous of us

    No lah,me ???
    Prefer to do on my own wub.gif
  • 09 January 2012 - 03:26 PM
    Whathefish

    U LJ...
    must be jealous of us


    dun think he jealous...he is dying to join us....the BEND of Brothers
  • 09 January 2012 - 03:27 PM
    Hondacub777

    u wanna try my protein diet????

    Urs effective? Bro,I need some.I want to build my body to take part this year manhunt.
  • 09 January 2012 - 03:28 PM
    Whathefish

    abit lost..
    2 days wean off carbo (as instructed by MO) so abit no energy..

    BUT TODAY I EAT CARBO! LOL!!!!!!!

    carbo loading now? u need alot of Banana....call me cool.gif
  • 09 January 2012 - 03:28 PM
    Raymondism

    Urs effective? Bro,I need some.I want to build my body to take part this year manhunt.


    i see u tonight near the new year day coffee place...

  • 09 January 2012 - 03:28 PM
    Joseph22

    You and honda go corner hold hands and stare into each other's eyes. laugh.gif laugh.gif


    i not interested in honda. i prefer RB. give me honda, i confirm sodomise him together with you all. sleep.gif
  • 09 January 2012 - 03:29 PM
    Hondacub777

    dun think he jealous...he is dying to join us....the BEND of Brothers

    I prefer to video the 3 of u.Then go back watch alone wub.gif
  • 09 January 2012 - 03:29 PM
    Raymondism

    laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif like tat will dilute ah?


    maybe.....

    i just go donate blood yesterday.... so need to drink more water
  • 09 January 2012 - 03:29 PM
    Joseph22
    Rb, you know of any games that is similar to Jing yong Online??
  • 09 January 2012 - 03:29 PM
    Rainbowbiatch

    carbo loading now? u need alot of Banana....call me cool.gif


    WTFish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ok.called.
  • 09 January 2012 - 03:29 PM
    Mazdaowner
    For him I will give one more extra, up his backside. laugh.gif

    say so earlier lah....MO gave away many almost brand new MATCH BOX Cars many months ago.....
    he can shower you with his C&C (cum & car)


  • 09 January 2012 - 03:29 PM
    Raymondism

    i not interested in honda. i prefer RB. give me honda, i confirm sodomise him together with you all. sleep.gif


    u sodomise him can liao

    i drink coffee nearby...

  • 09 January 2012 - 03:30 PM
    Hondacub777

    i see u tonight near the new year day coffee place...

    Great! But do I need to bring anything more?
  • 09 January 2012 - 03:30 PM
    Whathefish

    Urs effective? Bro,I need some.I want to build my body to take part this year manhunt.


    chey...all u have to do is ask...am pretty sure...most of us will throw our protein away after piak piak...

    will collect for u n put in fridge
  • 09 January 2012 - 03:30 PM
    Rainbowbiatch

    Rb, you know of any games that is similar to Jing yong Online??


    wah sorry.. dun follow chinese warrior or the likes game at all.
    metal gear ok? LOL!!!
  • 09 January 2012 - 03:31 PM
    Mazdaowner
    Knn, next MU I bring baseball bat, iron rod, kitchen clever, parang, jungle knife, granite stone,
    25kg dumbbell............ dry.gif

    U LJ...
    must be jealous of us


  • 09 January 2012 - 03:31 PM
    Raymondism

    chey...all u have to do is ask...am pretty sure...most of us will throw our protein away after piak piak...

    will collect for u n put in fridge



    u free or not?
    lets go geylang make one round... bring a container...
    we help honda gather more...

    sure can salvage alot.... but come with fishy rubbery smell...
  • 09 January 2012 - 03:31 PM
    Joseph22

    wah sorry.. dun follow chinese warrior or the likes game at all.
    metal gear ok? LOL!!!

    chinese warrior?? confused.gif

    BTW, is fable nice??

    Edited by Joseph22, 09 January 2012 - 03:31 PM.

  • 09 January 2012 - 03:31 PM
    Whathefish

    WTFish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ok.called.

    so many !!!...must be pretty SONG right? told u i am good cool.gif
  • 09 January 2012 - 03:31 PM
    Hondacub777

    u sodomise him can liao

    i drink coffee nearby...

    Nabeizzzz I tot u cum alone? sleep.gif
  • 09 January 2012 - 03:32 PM
    Raymondism

    Knn, next MU I bring baseball bat, iron rod, kitchen clever, parang, jungle knife, granite stone,
    25kg dumbbell............ dry.gif



    bring honey chilli powder and broken glass....
  • 09 January 2012 - 03:32 PM
    Mazdaowner
    Switch off carbs is like that one, after 4 days no carbs, you will change
    and be better then back to normal.

    abit lost..
    2 days wean off carbo (as instructed by MO) so abit no energy..

    BUT TODAY I EAT CARBO! LOL!!!!!!!


  • 09 January 2012 - 03:32 PM
    Raymondism

    Nabeizzzz I tot u cum alone? sleep.gif



    i ask u to meet me there...
    i never say i cum alone....

  • 09 January 2012 - 03:32 PM
    Whathefish

    u free or not?
    lets go geylang make one round... bring a container...
    we help honda gather more...

    sure can salvage alot.... but come with fishy rubbery smell...



    or can ask him to go rob sperm bank
  • 09 January 2012 - 03:33 PM
    Mazdaowner

    dun think he jealous...he is dying to join us....the BENDDOWN of Brothers


  • 09 January 2012 - 03:33 PM
    Rainbowbiatch

    chinese warrior?? confused.gif

    BTW, is fable nice??


    haven tried playing yet leh.. woops. laugh.gif laugh.gif
    BUT BUT BUT... my frn said it's nice.

    u done with skyrim liao?
    knn i kena glitch.play halfway no sound.
  • 09 January 2012 - 03:34 PM
    Mazdaowner
    They will need to hunt for you when we're done...........in the jungle. laugh.gif laugh.gif

    Urs effective? Bro,I need some.I want to build my body to take part this year manhunt.


  • 09 January 2012 - 03:34 PM
    Hondacub777

    chey...all u have to do is ask...am pretty sure...most of us will throw our protein away after piak piak...

    will collect for u n put in fridge

    Must be -5 in order to keep its freshness.
  • 09 January 2012 - 03:34 PM
    Mazdaowner
    Ah Huat!! Today you VELLY VELLY HIONG leh!! laugh.gif laugh.gif

    i not interested in honda. i prefer RB. give me honda, i confirm sodomise him together with you all. sleep.gif


  • 09 January 2012 - 03:34 PM
    Joseph22

    u sodomise him can liao

    i drink coffee nearby...

    leave it to WTF, i buy u coffee. laugh.gif
  • 09 January 2012 - 03:35 PM
    Mazdaowner
    Pah mahjong mai? biggrin.gif

    u sodomise him can liao

    i drink coffee nearby...


  • 09 January 2012 - 03:36 PM
    Joseph22

    Ah Huat!! Today you VELLY VELLY HIONG leh!! laugh.gif laugh.gif

    today topic on sodomisation mah, even anwar case also report. Honda are usually for us to fark around if dont sodom him, sodom who?? laugh.gif .
  • 09 January 2012 - 03:36 PM
    Hondacub777

    i ask u to meet me there...
    i never say i cum alone....

    But I no feelings with others leh bigcry.gif
  • 09 January 2012 - 03:36 PM
    Mazdaowner
    Painkillers, specially Morphine. biggrin.gif

    Great! But do I need to bring anything more?


  • 09 January 2012 - 03:37 PM
    Whathefish

    Must be -5 in order to keep its freshness.


    freeze it so it is easier for u to swallow?
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