mycarforum: SG very stressful! part 5

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I'm not sure about him but if I am mistaken for someone who did something, I would NOT delete my online profile. I would come out and clarify that I'm not the person that people CSIed out. I would go all out to protect my name.
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Maybe that's just me.
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Anyway, the story is developing. We will see what happens the next few days. My interest in this incident is merely to know if the guy is apologetic in what he did. Truth be told, he did not commit a hideous crime. Just someone with a VERY foul mouth. If he come out and say sorry, peace is restored on earth. End of story.
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Want to share this incident.

When I was a nurse, there was this drunk who was brought in to hospital. Some cut near the eyelid. Maybe after a fight. Anyway, he screamed and call for a doctor to see him immediately. Unfortunately, there were a few resuscitations at that time so no one was free.

His friend ran up to me and demanded that I get a doctor. I told him all were busy but he would be seen next. He whipped up his phone and started taking a video of me and asked me

"Staff nurse so and so, can you guarantee my friend will not be blind? If so, please say this on tape. If not, get a doctor now"

Fortunately, a doctor rescued me. Otherwise I wonder if I would have been the star of the internet community. All it needs is some minor touch ups to the video to make me appear callous and uncaring. And seeing how vicious the internet community could be......

Want to share this incident.

When I was a nurse, there was this drunk who was brought in to hospital. Some cut near the eyelid. Maybe after a fight. Anyway, he screamed and call for a doctor to see him immediately. Unfortunately, there were a few resuscitations at that time so no one was free.

His friend ran up to me and demanded that I get a doctor. I told him all were busy but he would be seen next. He whipped up his phone and started taking a video of me and asked me

"Staff nurse so and so, can you guarantee my friend will not be blind? If so, please say this on tape. If not, get a doctor now"

Fortunately, a doctor rescued me. Otherwise I wonder if I would have been the star of the internet community. All it needs is some minor touch ups to the video to make me appear callous and uncaring. And seeing how vicious the internet community could be......

The Internet is the modern world colosseum
A place for blood entertainment
A place to let loose the basest of human desires
One day is pap, another is wp, yesterday was a rude chap
Who knows what tomorrow will bring?

Oh well, enough of this crap
Let the hooting begin!!! [laugh]

Just heard them interviewing the daughter on class95

Lets hear more and hopefully both parties can present their cases...

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Hope to hear the passenger's version... if he has done wrong, come out and apologise... if he is not the person, also come out and clarify...

Silence isn't going to do him any good leh...

Lets hear more and hopefully both parties can present their cases...
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Hope to hear the passenger's version... if he has done wrong, come out and apologise... if he is not the person, also come out and clarify...
Silence isn't going to do him any good leh...

From the look of it there is really no excuse for such a tirade except mental incapacity

Really! This takes the cake

Sounded like a dejected LAU kway bu nagging all the way.

Bavarian

Your friend ah

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this morning Class 95 had a talk with cabby's daughter, Claire, the one who created the video.� Her voice is quite sexy and speaks quite good... i like [laugh] � [laugh] .� i wonder how she looks like.

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anyone kaypo enough to see the entire clip......... this guy is really a SOB KNN. Karma will fall on him

https://www.facebook...047937505346968

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this morning Class 95 had a talk with cabby's daughter, Claire, the one who created the video.� Her voice is quite sexy and speaks quite good... i like � .� i wonder how she looks like.

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anyone kaypo enough to see the entire clip......... this guy is really a SOB KNN. Karma will fall on him

https://www.facebook...047937505346968

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OOOoooo... now you make every excited to find out what she looks like too [laugh] [laugh]

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OOOoooo... now you make every excited to find out what she looks like too

I no good in CSI work.� I hope someone will be able to do it. [laugh]

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I no good in CSI work.� I hope someone will be able to do it. [laugh]

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V Cheena kinda slang tho

U real ichibawa

I no good in CSI work.� I hope someone will be able to do it. [laugh]

Your C is another kind C n u Gd at tt

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I no good in CSI work.� I hope someone will be able to do it. [/quote

V Cheena kinda slang tho

U real ichibawa

Your C is another kind C n u Gd at tt

abit ah lian type....... I like.... she was almost using the F word on air....... [laugh]�� this kind is more fun mah..........

abit ah lian type....... I like.... she was almost using the F word on air....... �� this kind is more fun mah..........

Lol you caught that too haaaaa

Lol you caught that too haaaaa

She made�me smile on a�Monday morning. My P half standing after�hearing that...... [laugh] ��

Class 95 going to put up the interview on their FB page in the afternoon

I hope the hospital or clinic will give this prick the sack.........

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we cannot endure a nurse to behave this way. He may be abusing his own patients, for all we know......

I hope the hospital or clinic will give this prick the sack.........

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we cannot endure a nurse to behave this way. He may be abusing his own patients, for all we know......

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Since he lives in the east ... could he be working in cgh?

Just heard them interviewing the daughter on class95

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haha even the main stream media cannot afford to keep away from juicy�stuff like this [laugh]

entertainment sells [laugh]

From the look of it there is really no excuse for such a tirade except mental incapacity

Really! This takes the cake

Sounded like a dejected LAU kway bu nagging all the way.

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if he confess to be a siao lang, who will emply him in the future? [laugh]

maybe say moment of weakness, bad week [laugh]

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this morning Class 95 had a talk with cabby's daughter, Claire, the one who created the video.� Her voice is quite sexy and speaks quite good... i like�� i wonder how she looks like.

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anyone kaypo enough to see the entire clip......... this guy is really a SOB KNN. Karma will fall on him

https://www.facebook...047937505346968

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squating here for picture!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :wub:

Class 95 going to put up the interview on their FB page in the afternoon

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haha even the main stream media cannot afford to keep away from juicy�stuff like this

entertainment sells

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if he confess to be a siao lang, who will emply him in the future?

maybe say moment of weakness, bad week

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squating here for picture!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Don't squat too long, you might get piles. � [laugh]

Want to share this incident.

When I was a nurse, there was this drunk who was brought in to hospital. Some cut near the eyelid. Maybe after a fight. Anyway, he screamed and call for a doctor to see him immediately. Unfortunately, there were a few resuscitations at that time so no one was free.

His friend ran up to me and demanded that I get a doctor. I told him all were busy but he would be seen next. He whipped up his phone and started taking a video of me and asked me

"Staff nurse so and so, can you guarantee my friend will not be blind? If so, please say this on tape. If not, get a doctor now"

Fortunately, a doctor rescued me. Otherwise I wonder if I would have been the star of the internet community. All it needs is some minor touch ups to the video to make me appear callous and uncaring. And seeing how vicious the internet community could be......

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I am sorry to say I don't think you will be the star of the video,

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the fighting drunkard would have been the star.

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Sorry to disappiont you.

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If he says wait at his block then wait at his block lah.

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Why go to main road?

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Some people book a taxi and then if they see another taxi on the road

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will flag them down and no need to pay the booking fee.

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But the poor cabby will drive all the way there and then

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find he just wasted his time and diesel.

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Some people really too much.

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Companies need to protect their staff from abusive customers.

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If you reward the abusive customers it will encourage all customers

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to take advantage of the company.

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For all those people advocating not to lynch that jerrel phua...�

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here is wat i have to say to that jerrel... �

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1. if u didnt do it.. come out and say.. people will back off and leave u alone..�

� � dont hide away and pray that things will blow over... in sgp.. ONLY p8p can do that

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2. if u did it... come out.. issue a sincere apology... say something like it was a really off day and u apologize

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3. i doubt serious 1. or 2. going to happen based on the fact that you.. the lowlife got a guy trying to make � � � �an HONEST living fired.

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Usually i advocate bros here to chill and relax... but.. cannot fathom what type of self righteous pr*ck can be wrong and use a technicality to get someone to lose a job..�

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If you outburst was low and an one off event... ur follow-up action is deplorable... and for that.. i juz tell you�

??????... u will get your comeuppance

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For all those people advocating not to lynch that jerrel phua...�

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here is wat i have to say to that jerrel... �

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1. if u didnt do it.. come out and say.. people will back off and leave u alone..�

� � dont hide away and pray that things will blow over... in sgp.. ONLY p8p can do that

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2. if u did it... come out.. issue a sincere apology... say something like it was a really off day and u apologize

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3. i doubt serious 1. or 2. going to happen based on the fact that you.. the lowlife got a guy trying to make � � � �an HONEST living fired.

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Usually i advocate bros here to chill and relax... but.. cannot fathom what type of self righteous pr*ck can be wrong and use a technicality to get someone to lose a job..�

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If you outburst was low and an one off event... ur follow-up action is deplorable... and for that.. i juz tell you�

??????... u will get your comeuppance

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With so much hype, he is really timid like a mouse....

Coop inside room and don't want to face the music...

????????? ....

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With so much hype, he is really timid like a mouse....

Coop inside room and don't want to face the music...

????????? ....

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seriously bro.. to me.. the outburst could be a one-off thing... thats why didnt say anything prior... BUT.. to pursue comfort and let the uncle get fired is pure ??... �

Timid meh? from the video sound like he very satki le

everyone loves a sinner

because one can now throw stones [laugh]

Timid meh? from the video sound like he very satki le

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seriously bro.. to me.. the outburst could be a one-off thing... thats why didnt say anything prior... BUT.. to pursue comfort and let the uncle get fired is pure ??... �

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is the cabby confirmed sacked?

The original post was a EDMWer trying to be a troll saying that cabby was sacked. Confirmed by the daughter?

From their forum , one stated comfort will retract that notice

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is the cabby confirmed sacked?
The original post was a EDMWer trying to be a troll saying that cabby was sacked. Confirmed by the daughter?

Huh? The ah gua passenger is the A-hole and the taxi driver got sacked? Sure bo??

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Is it because of PDPA?

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seriously bro.. to me.. the outburst could be a one-off thing... thats why didnt say anything prior... BUT.. to pursue comfort and let the uncle get fired is pure ??... �

I dun normally join all these but this price needs a lesson

The uncle, steady! Bless him

Bavarian

Your friend ah

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No idea who tis fella is but neither do I hold taxi driver's I've came across in the highest regards.

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Since he lives in the east ... could he be working in cgh?

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His no more work as a nurse or in hospital. Presently doing sales for timber I think�

Netizens slam rude passenger on social media after video of him scolding taxi driver goes viral-
http://singaporeseen...m-scolding-taxi

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Netizens slam rude passenger on social media after video of him scolding taxi driver goes viral-
http://singaporeseen...m-scolding-taxi

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It really look like life getting a bit stressful nowadays in Singapore, so much so that ppl are venting out their stress and frustrations�on other ppl intentionally ...

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Maybe time to take a step back ... and relax one's mind and soul ...

Here's this morning's interview with cabbie daughter on class 95

https://m.soundcloud...ghter-interview

This is funny!

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http://www.straitsti...r=CS1-10http://

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Man fined $1.5k for throwing hot milk at doctor who accused him of 'tantrums'

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SINGAPORE - A homeless man who splashed a jug of hot milk at a doctor after she wrote that he was prone to tantrums was fined the maximum $1,500 on Monday.

When Dr Parvathy Babu Surendra Babu, 31, refused to delete the comment, 63-year-old Abdul Aziz Selamat told her that he would "show what a tantrum was", then grabbed the jug from a nearby pantry at Thye Hwa Kwan Hospital.

The attack left the 31-year-old doctor suffering redness on her face and chest.

Aziz was originally charged with acting rashly to endanger the personal safety of others, but admitted an amended charge of using criminal force on Sept 3 last year.

The court heard that he had been referred to the hospital for rehabilitation following surgery.

Dr Parvathy, in her summary form, stated that Aziz threw tantrums almost daily and often created trouble for hospital staff.

Two days after his discharge, Aziz returned to the hospital to retrieve his mobile phone charger. He met Dr Parvathy and asked her to delete the adverse comments but she refused, sparking his anger.

He threw milk at the doctor's face and chest and she ran tap water over the affected area, although the redness subsided the next day,

The prosecution admitted to being unable to ascertain the temperature of the milk.

The court heard that Aziz had been afraid that the adverse comments would affect his applications for a Housing Board flat and financial assistance.

Mr Foo Juyuan, who represented Aziz under the Criminal Legal Aid Scheme Fellowship, urged the court not to jail Aziz, citing his various medical ailments, ill health and financial trouble.

He said Aziz, who is jobless, volunteers at Mercy Centre twice a week by packing and delivering food to fellow homeless people.

The lawyer said Aziz is trying to get a licence to busk around Singapore.

Aziz could have been jailed for up to three months on top of the fine.

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I think Stomp removed the article, no idea why though.

Check this one out- [laugh]

http://singaporeseen...an-for-oral-sex

Edited by Mercs, 16 March 2015 - 09:16 PM.

I think Stomp removed the article, no idea why though.

Check this one out-
http://singaporeseen...an-for-oral-sex

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hahaha some cabby are just a**hole�

Edited by Angcheek, 16 March 2015 - 09:35 PM.

I think Stomp removed the article, no idea why though.

Check this one out-
http://singaporeseen...an-for-oral-sex

Quick-fix for a fast-ride? Wonder what's the pent-up? Likely not his first-time request, who knows, he a veteran.

I think Stomp removed the article, no idea why though.

Check this one out-
http://singaporeseen...an-for-oral-sex

Hey guys! Check out this neat trick I learnt from edmw chaps [laugh]

http://webcache.goog...m-scolding-taxi

Netizens have taken to social media to show their discontent after a video of a passenger scolding a taxi driver went viral over the weekend.

The video posted on All Singapore Stuff was shared by someone who seemed to be the cabby's daughter.

The shocking video has over 500,000 views and has elicited various responses from netizens, most of which are targeted towards the rude passenger.

While other netizens showed their support for the cabby and commended him for his patience.

One netizen wrote:

"I admire that TD (taxi driver) who remain so cool and patience under attack from that abusive pax.

"I would have reacted differently, like refusing to continue the trip and getting that b*****d to get out of my cab.

"On what ground?. His abuse is distracting my driving attention and therefore endangering my life and other road users.

"My company will support me but certainly not COMFORT, who always side the pax without questions."

Another netizen wrote:

"Such a well tempered uncle getting bullied really make me furious.

"Please hug and sayang your dad for me."

In the video uploaded on Faceboook, the passenger - who had booked a cab to take him from Chai Chee to Telok Ayer MRT station - could be heard raising his voice and scolding the taxi driver from the start of the journey.

Related article:

Rude passenger yells at cabby for not picking him up at main road even though he stated "front of block" -- and that's not the worst part

The social media say the man (pax) is a nurse?? IMH ?? Really Stressed Nurse; kudos to the Taxi Driver for keeping his cool

Father of rude taxi passenger blames himself for 'not teaching my son well' - See more at: http://www.straitsti...g-m#xtor=CS1-10

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Hopefully the son can come out and apologise... and not ask his father to apologise on behalf of himself ....

Father of rude taxi passenger blames himself for 'not teaching my son well' - See more at: http://www.straitsti...g-m#xtor=CS1-10

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Hopefully the son can come out and apologise... and not ask his father to apologise on behalf of himself ....

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This sounds like the Korea Air Nut case incident!

Except the one in Korea is filthy rich, but this........

Father of rude taxi passenger blames himself for 'not teaching my son well' - See more at: http://www.straitsti...g-m#xtor=CS1-10

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Hopefully the son can come out and apologise... and not ask his father to apologise on behalf of himself ....

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That blardy son should come out and apologize. Got balls to scold people but no balls to say sorry. Need his father to say for him [:|] [:|] Be a man. Nabei... blardy guniang!

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I will never subject my family to these kind of humiliation.

he probably at the borderline, push him further and he will snap, or maybe already did.

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That blardy son should come out and apologize. Got balls to scold people but no balls to say sorry. Need his father to say for him Be a man. Nabei... blardy guniang!

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I will never subject my family to these kind of humiliation.

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yea... his dad's comments really heartfelt.... �still that pr*ck wants to play guniang games...

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http://news.asiaone....e-cab-passenger

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That blardy son should come out and apologize. Got balls to scold people but no balls to say sorry. Need his father to say for him Be a man. Nabei... blardy guniang!
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I will never subject my family to these kind of humiliation.

What do you expect from someone who's Pes E? A man?

What do you expect from someone who's Pes E? A man?

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thats abit harsh... some pes E chaps have genuine medical grounds la... �

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tho i have met women with more balls then that pr*ck

What do you expect from someone who's Pes E? A man?

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Cannot say because he Pes E, he is not a man lah. Nothing wrong if he is physically unable to train. But if he cannot even do a simple thing like apologize for his own actions, then he really is not a man. [:|]

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That blardy son should come out and apologize. Got balls to scold people but no balls to say sorry. Need his father to say for him Be a man. Nabei... blardy guniang!

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I will never subject my family to these kind of humiliation.

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Well said [thumbsup]

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thats abit harsh... some pes E chaps have genuine medical grounds la... �

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tho i have met women with more balls then that pr*ck

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Yeah in Thailand?

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Catfight at Jurong Point: Woman throws punches and kicks auntie

Stomp Wednesday, Mar 18, 2015

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A woman was seen throwing punches and kicking at an older woman in a heated argument at Jurong Point yesterday, Mar 16.

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Stomp contributor Jiahong witnessed the incident at about 4.30pm, and sent in the video to Stomp.

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It is unclear what sparked the fight, but the Stomp contributor recalls a vulgarity-laden conversation.

Jiahong said:

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"I was walking out of the arcade and saw the woman pushing and whacking the auntie.

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"I shouted at them, 'Please lah! Don't fight lah!'"

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However, it did not stop them. As passers-by watch, the woman yells loudly at the auntie while another woman tries to go in between them.

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At one point, the woman even flips over a chair.

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Jiahong's friend and a few bystanders then went up to them to stop the fight, however, they only ended up getting in an argument with the woman.

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The Stomp contributor recounted that the fight only stopped when three security guards came by to break it up.

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http://singaporeseen...kicks-at-auntie

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Kid in blue learning to stomp at a young age [laugh] [laugh]

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Cannot say because he Pes E, he is not a man lah. Nothing wrong if he is physically unable to train. But if he cannot even do a simple thing like apologize for his own actions, then he really is not a man.

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Until now, still no hear anything from him....

If he can't even open his mouth to say sorry for his actions, then its really pathetic for his life ...

So, if he couldn't say sorry, meaning he isn't feeling remorseful... this is really jialat !

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Hopefully he can just come out and apologise ... just a heartfelt sorry would be sufficient to the uncle and all can be forgiven...

And we can all forgive and move on....

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Until now, still no hear anything from him....

If he can't even open his mouth to say sorry for his actions, then its really pathetic for his life ...

So, if he couldn't say sorry, meaning he isn't feeling remorseful... this is really jialat !

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Hopefully he can just come out and apologise ... just a heartfelt sorry would be sufficient to the uncle and all can be forgiven...

And we can all forgive and move on....

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with so much cyberspace bile frothing at the mouths, I think his balls shrinked until bo liao lah [laugh]

wait...�

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i just read in TNP... according to comfort-delgro.. �w*nker wanted to meet and apologize.. but patient cabby not willing.... �

wait...�

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i just read in TNP... according to comfort-delgro.. �w*nker wanted to meet and apologize.. but patient cabby not willing.... �

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hmmmmmmm.....why ah? [sly]

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hmmmmmmm.....why ah?

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i just read in TNP... according to comfort-delgro.. �w*nker wanted to meet and apologize.. but patient cabby not willing.... �

Here's the updates so far...

"I did not educate my son well", says 'dad' of rude cab passenger-
http://singaporeseen...e-cab-passenger

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hmmmmmmm.....why ah?
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patience is a virtue and virtue has it's limit!

Edited by Eviilusion, 18 March 2015 - 08:43 PM.

Remembering a song .... ????????

I've waited till flowers withered away by Jacky Cheung

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hmmmmmmm.....why ah?

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stir ah... stir ah..... stir ahhhhhhhhhh................. :wacko:

Still no apology huh?

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Still no apology huh?

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Maybe he think nothing wrong, so why apologise?!

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jialat leh

Still no apology huh?

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Hur..... :huh:

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Apologise what hur ..

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Still no apology huh?

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give ang pao better ... more practical haaha

Passenger books cab to go to Beach Rd -- and receives THIS as a response-
http://singaporeseen...s-as-a-response

In life the biggest bullies are always the biggest cowards.

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No testi sachel to apologise.

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Some people will never admit they are wrong.

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Edited by Jamesc, 20 March 2015 - 10:07 AM.

Cabby tries to change lanes without signalling -- then flashes middle finger at driver-
http://singaporeseen...iddle-finger-at

Cabby tries to change lanes without signalling -- then flashes middle finger at driver-
http://singaporeseen...iddle-finger-at

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Red taxi, again..... -_-

In life the biggest bullies are always the biggest cowards.

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No testi sachel to apologise.

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Some people will never admit they are wrong.

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Surprisingly so much said about this pax in many forums/facebook but nothing so far (maybe I missed out) in the local Straights Time

Cabby tries to change lanes without signalling -- then flashes middle finger at driver-
http://singaporeseen...iddle-finger-at

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It only shows that there are good taxi uncles and bad taxi drivers ...

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just like in life, there are good and bad ppl...

Passenger books cab to go to Beach Rd -- and receives THIS as a response-
http://singaporeseen...s-as-a-response

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They clarified the msg was from the passenger to the cabby.

40-year-old woman drowns after jumping into Singapore River

AsiaOneThursday, Mar 19, 2015

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40-year-old woman drowns after jumping into Singapore River

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SINGAPORE - A 40-year-old woman drowned after jumping into the Singapore River early Thursday morning.

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According to Lianhe Wanbao, the incident occurred at 2am outside Liang Court. The victim was secretary Tan Bee Eng.

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It is understood that Ms Tan went to a bar on Wednesday night where her 22-year-old son was working.

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An eyewitness told the Chinese evening daily that she was drunk and started arguing with her son. She reportedly looked agitated and jumped into the river, said the eyewitness.

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A man in his 30s jumped in after her in a bid to rescue her, but failed to do so, reported Lianhe Wanbao.

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He was then seen comforting Ms Tan's husband, who arrived shortly after.

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The Singapore Civil Defence Force (SCDF) was alerted to the incident at 2am. Ms Tan was pronounced dead at the scene.

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Seven of Ms Tan's family members and friends, including her husband and son, were seen at the mortuary on Thursday morning.

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klim.com.sg

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Red taxi, again.....

Cabby repeatedly hurls vulgarities at woman during argument after accident-
http://singaporeseen...-after-accident

Cabby repeatedly hurls vulgarities at woman during argument after accident-
http://singaporeseen...-after-accident

Must see how the incident started. Can't figure out.

Cabby repeatedly hurls vulgarities at woman during argument after accident-
http://singaporeseen...-after-accident

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Another red !!!! [sweatdrop]

Folks, like or not, we are headed here like in this experiment. �God bless us all

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What Humans Can Learn From The Mice Utopia Experiment

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In 1950, an American ethologist named�John Calhoun created a series of experiments�to test the effects of overpopulation on the behaviour of�social animals.�The animals which Calhoun chose for his experiments where mice (and later on rats). He chose rodents as these reproduce rapidly thus allowing him to observe the development of several generations of mice �in a relatively short space of time.

Calhoun and his researchers found that in a space-limited/resource unlimited environment, the population of mice would explode; peak-out and then collapse to extinction.�This test was replicated several times and it was found that these led to the same outcome each time.�The reason for this phenomenon was found to derived from social decay which worsened with each generation. The social decay led to�unrest in the environment, which in turn led to�sub replacement fertility.�It was concluded that nature has a limit in which social animals can interact.

John Calhoun�s experiments gained world-wide recognition and his expertise was sought after by government bodies�such as NASA.�They present a useful yet�grim insight into what could be our own�future, for no matter how many times Calhoun�repeated the experiment, the results led to the�same inevitable conclusion: extinction.

The Experiment

His team created a comfortable environment ideal for the mice. This was achieved by fitting a pen (box-shaped enclosure) with unlimited food and water. The room had space for up to 3000 mice. The room was closed off so that neither the mice could get out�nor predators get in. By removing the risk of predation, the mice could grow in an environment free from external stress.�The room was then compartmentalised into different units, this allowed Calhoun to identify how different social groupings formed.

Four pairs of mice were screened for diseases (four male and four female). Upon verifying that they were healthy they were introduced into the enclosure.

Calhoun observed the mice population over the�course of the experiment. He noted down behavioural changes and population numbers.�He found that there were four distinct phases of population change observed during the experiment.�The first stage, named �Strive�, was a phase in which the mice explored and adjusted to their new habitat, set territories and created nests.

The second stage was named the �exploit period�.�During this stage the mice population exploded.�Calhoun observed that some compartments became more populated than others, and therefore some units used more resources. It was also observed that some units started to become crowded.

The third phase was named the �equilibrium phase�. During this phase, the mice population peaked at 2200 individuals, although there was space for 3000. During the third phase Calhoun�observed the collapse of the mice civilisation. He noted that the new generations were inhibited since most space was already socially defined.

The mice showed different types of social dysfunctions. Some mice became violent. Males fought each other for acceptance, those that where defeated withdrew. Some males became repeated targets of attacks.

Calhoun had noted during his experiments:

�Many [female mice] were unable to carry pregnancy to full term, or to survive delivery of their litters if they did. An even greater number, after successfully giving birth,�fell short in their maternal functions. Amongst the males the�behaviour disturbances ranged from sexual deviation to cannibalism�and from�frenetic over-activity to a pathological withdrawal from which individuals�would emerge to eat, drink and move about only when other members of the community were asleep. The social organisation of the animals showed equal disruption��
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�The common source of these disturbances became most dramatically apparent in the populations of our first series of three experiments, in which we observed the development of what we called a behavioural sink. The animals would crowd together in greatest number in one of the four interconnecting pens in which the colony was maintained. As many as 60 of the 80 mice in each experimental population would assemble in one pen during periods of feeding. Individual mice would rarely eat except in the company of other mice. As a result extreme population densities developed in the pen adopted for eating, leaving the others with sparse populations.�
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��In the experiments�in which the behavioural sink developed, infant mortality ran as high as 96 percent�among the most disoriented groups in the population.� � John Calhoun

Newer generations born in the now dysfunctional mouse utopia became withdrawn, spending their days grooming obsessively and dedicating their time solely to eating , drinking and sleeping. This generation, for all the emphasis they placed on grooming, would not reproduce. Moreover, these mice were noted to be unintelligent compared to previous generations.

��the limit Calhoun imposed on his population [of mice] was space � and as the population grew, this became increasingly problematic. As the pens heaved with animals, one of his assistants described the rodent utopia as having become hell.�

The fourth phase was the decline. In this phase the population plummeted. The last mouse died 600 days after the experiment began.

What Can Humans Learn From Mice?

The limiting factor of�Calhoun�s�experiment�s was space. As time transpired, the mice passed on the negative behavioural attitudes to the next generation, and these, subsequently passed them on to the next generation, with the addition of new unsocial attitudes.�What is it that makes space, and lack there off, such a decisive factor in the development of social animals? And what are the consequences for population condensation?

Notice how the evolution of the behaviours displayed by the mice, parallel those of the people of Easter Island, as explored by Quintus Curtius in his�ROK article�The Power Of Choice. The people of Easter Island are a historical example of a human version of the mice utopia experiment:

�When humans first arrived there about A.D 900, it [Easter Island] was densely forested, and was capable of sustaining numerous tribes and a relatively high population.�

The conditions of the islanders were similar to that of Calhoun�s mice. On an isolated island, with a lush environment, a group of humans settlers arrived on boats to Easter Island. The settlers could thrive with almost endless resources without natural predators nor external factors of stress.

With time, the island became over populated.�Quintus explains what befell the Islanders:

�The islanders then began to compete with each other more and more fiercely for an ever-declining volume of natural resources; vendettas multiplied, intertribal warfare flared, and a pall of hostility and fear descended on the island. As the trees vanished, the islanders were unable to build boats to escape to other islands: they became trapped in their own hell, doomed to fight each other in perpetuity for the last crumbs that the barren land could offer. Eventually the islanders began to starve, and feed�literally�off each other. As wild meats became unavailable, and escape off the island became impossible, the natural consequences followed. Cannibalism stalked the island, animating its folklore and infecting its archaeological sites. Perhaps the islanders compensated for their misery by focusing more and more on the empty ritual of building and raising statutes, as their means of sustenance melted away.�

This is reminiscent of the �behavioural sink� observed in the mouse utopia. It also resembles the abhorrent behaviours observed in Calhoun�s experiments resemble several shocking stories from recent times.�Is it be possible that it�s social decay rather than a shortage of food that led the people of Easter Island �to near extinction?

There are natural limitations on the degrees of social interaction we can manage on a daily basis, just like with the mice. In humans this is referred to as �Whilst it could be argued that this could not happen to humans; as we have large swathes of unpopulated land, it has to be noted that at the peak population, only half the colony space was being used. The mice had a tendency to congregate and overpopulate certain sectors of space, something reminiscent of modern day cities.

In Germany, the Spiegel�reports�of a growing problem of population condensation in it�s large cities and of ghost towns in rural areas.�Rents are soaring in Munich and Hamburg while in other cities apartments stand abandoned.

Whilst this example is not a perfect representation of the mouse utopia, we can make some comparisons. The mice pen was compartmentalised. Similarly, Germany is divided into several regions all with ample resources. In Germany, some regions are becoming more crowded, this is driven by labour demand in some regions and lack of labour demand in others.

Prediction: I predict that as cities become crowded, some of the behaviours observed by Calhoun will become apparent. These will include social unrest and lower fertility rates.

Population condensation was a major�cause�of social unrest in the mouse utopia. Time will tell if this will be the case in Germany.

Depopulation (failure to achieve replacement fertility)

World wide phenomenon.

Case Study: Republic of Korea [South Korea], Japan

The main correlation between the mouse utopia experiment and our times is depopulation.

Depopulation led to the extinction of the mice. It is fascinating yet terrifying to think that without the hardships of life, a species cannot survive.�If we think about this from a human perspective, we see that our struggle for survival unites us as a species. Without hardship our life�s become pointless and shallow.

If we look at South Korea�s fertility rate per woman, which stands at 1.24, we can predict that this nation of 50 million will peak out by 2017. From there the population is expected to decrease to decrease to 42 Million by 2050.

The source of this decline is lack of jobs and thus lack of income needed to rear children. Like in many other nations, the job ladder is stuck as older people retire later in life. South Korea, like Japan, had a booming job�s market which guaranteed lifetime employment. Sadly, this is no longer the case. The job�s from the cities attracted many away from the country side and created a population concentration in cities such as Seoul.

Depopulation presents our species with an ever-growing�problem�since sub replacement fertility is becoming more prevalent in the developed world.

If we look at Japan, we see that Japan now faces a�precipitous depopulation.�Depopulation is estimated to drive Japan�s population to 87 million, down from 127 million by 2050. In economic terms it would be catastrophic as Japan�s has an advance welfare state like that of the United Kingdom and depends on having a larger tax base than a retiree base. The problem is getting so out of hand in Japan that the Japanese government is even considering immigration (a big no-no over there).

Sub replacement fertility is also being noted in the Republic of Korea, Spain, Germany, China, Russia, US, UK, Denmark, Sweden and Norway.

Depopulation is likely to be an�effect�of the social breakdown and not a�cause.

Senseless Aggression

Word wide phenomenon.

Case Study:�Easter Island.

Aggression is an obvious aspect in both the mice utopia and the East Island case. It is also easily comparable to our society in present day. Whilst violence has always existed amongst our species, this had always been attributed to a range of factors such as poverty or inter-tribal warfare (aggression due to lack or resources) and not as a factor of population condensation (aggression despite of abundant resources).

The first signs of trouble in the mice utopia were male mice fighting for acceptance. This appears to have led a spiral of other societal problems.

��there where three times as young mice aspiring to enter social groups as there were vacancies in socially established groups��

Aggression is the�cause�of the societal breakdown. What was the�cause�of the aggression? As observed, a lack of space, both physically and socially, which sets into motion a series of events that led to the outcome of extinction.

Breakdown Of Gender Roles

Developed world phenomenon.

Case Study: USA, Japan

At ROK, we place a large importance on gender roles. Looking at this subject from a perspective of another species may give us some further insight on the topic.�We have observed that depopulation is an effect, so what is the cause? Perhaps there is more than one cause. The behavioural sink observed in the mouse utopia showed several abnormal social behaviours.

In the male mice, a limited space and a boom in population caused the males to fight more to be accepted. Since not all mice can be alpha males, the losers withdrew.�With excess males fighting for dominance, older males gave up, leaving the females to fend for the family. These would then become increasingly aggressive and some even began attacking their own offspring.

Calhoun noted that as time progressed ��mothers fell short of maternal expectations�.�In recent years there have been an increasing amount of cases [1], [2], [3], [4] of child neglect and abuse by human mothers that have made it to national headlines. It is not hard to speculate that there are many more we have not heard.�In Australia, police have released�data�that attribute half of the nation�s infanticides to their mothers.

Since these are the more notorious cases which the media publishes, the less extreme cases go unnoticed, under reported or unreported in the media (in the last few decades there have been a string of stories in the media, which when examined as a whole tells us that women are starting to lose their�natural�instincts�for nurture).�We know that women in developed nations are suppressing maternal instincts, either intrinsically or extrinsically. It is also becoming more common for women to seek a sex-fueled lifestyle, something that was also observed in the mouse utopia.

��the mice became more promiscuous�mice would roam around attacking others or mounting them irrespective of gender��

��phase C, the incidence of conception in females declined and the resorption in foetuses increased. Maternal behaviour was disrupted. Some mothers in desperate searches for quieter areas abandoned young that fell on the way�� Tragedy in Mouse Utopia,�Dr.J.R Vallentine

As the behaviour in the pen deteriorated, females would abandon their offspring leaving them to fend for themselves. With no parents around to teach them how to be well adjusted mice,

��prematurely rejected, first by their fathers, then by their mothers, and then by established groups in the community, the young grew up without knowing how to behave, personally or socially as mice�� Tragedy in Mouse Utopia,�Dr.J.R Vallentine

Gender roles are vital in a social species, without that the break down of these lead to sub replacement fertility, depopulation, and finally, extinction.

Withdrawal

Case Study:�Japan

�Individuals would only emerge to eat and sleep when the rest were�asleep.� When I read this, the first thing that came to my mind was the Hikikomori. It�s a term used to refer to a reclusive adolescent who is too introverted to function in society. These youth are so socially inept that they shut themselves indoors and only venture out at night to stock up on groceries.�This is a phenomenon that has been occurring for 20 years but�that is only recently coming to light in Japan.

The Hikikomori are estimated to number a million. Something that has alarmed the Japanese government who have been unable to tackle an issue they do not fully understand.�In Japan, an entire generation of young Japanese have been born into a society in where�all space is already socially defined�just like in the mice utopia were �the new generations were inhibited since most space was socially defined�.

However�this trend is not exclusive to Japan. Japan is however a very close approximation to a mice utopia experiment for humans just like Easter island.�Under stress, these boys (and men) have been impaired by a stressed and dysfunctional society.�Withdrawal is a�cause�for depopulation and the�effect�of an over stressed society which is in turn caused by the behavioural sink.

The Beautiful Ones

Case Study:�Japan

There is another social ill in Japan that is comparable to Calhoun�s mice. These are the grass eaters (Soshoku kei Danshi�) of Japan.�The term, �grass eater�, refers to males who have no interests in seeking relationships with the opposite sex. The media and the manosphere has confused these guys with whatever pre-conceptions they may have had. For example, the BBC documentary �No Sex please, we are Japanese�, explores the phenomenon with bias and poor journalism.�So to ensure we don�t fall for the same pre-conceptions allow me to reiterate that the grass eaters are men who have no interest in pursuing relationships with the opposite sex. They are not homosexuals, asexual�s, otaku nor Hikikomori.

The difference between grass eaters and the Hikikomori is that the Soshoku kei Danshi are withdrawing from relationships and the Hikikomori are withdrawing from society all together. Grass eaters are not asexual, the prefer the vast array of porn available to them.�Many grass eaters, although not all, are metro-sexual. These are guys who spend a lot of time and money into personal grooming. Once again this is not applicable to all grass eaters.

Some grass eaters show resemblance to the �Beautiful ones�, spending their time ��[obsessively] grooming, eating and sleeping�.[and]�not reproducing�.�The correlation appears to be that individuals are not conforming to a stressed societal model and are opting out of relationships and a male gender role.�The grass eaters have become so numerous that is has pushed some Japanese girls to initiate the courtship.�This phenomenon is most pronounced in Japan but is applicable to other developed nations.

In the Republic of Korea,�10% of men wear make up.�In other developed nations, the �beautiful ones� are the vapid and shallow celebrity and beautify obsessed youth.�It is possible that grass eaters could become a�cause�of depopulation and that is�caused�by the behavioural sink.

Conclusion

The mice utopia experiment presents us with a stark vision of our present and our future. As time progresses we will see more evidence that we are heading for a decline in population which is largely driven by social decay.

Through history we have developed an anthropocentric world view. This is folly. Humans are animals�highly advanced animals, yet animals nonetheless. Regardless of what we may think of ourselves, or how we may try to dissociate ourselves from the rest of the animal kingdom, the rules of nature that apply�to mice often apply to us. Not learning or accepting the results of these experiments can only be detrimental for us as a species.

Social animals appear to be regulated by intrinsic behavioural factors.�The question is if there is a�nature kill switch�for a�species�that has no predators. Calhoun concluded that the�stress from�social interaction caused the�disturbances in behaviour seen in his experiments.�If we truly stand apart�from the rest of the animal kingdom, we ought to be able to avoid the same pitfalls.�What is certain is that unless humans collectively apply some soul-searching, we will fall for the mouse trap.

Read More:�The Power Of Choice

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Yap ... sg is heading that way
Yap ... sg is heading that way

why they never choose Singapore or HK for doing case studies??

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People just want to be rich

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I rather make people laugh

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Why just blindly chase money

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when you can be so funny?

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Why go for 6.9 million ==> GDP

(population lah not toto, By all means go for the 6.9 mil toto)� �

What is more important than GDP ==> Mental health

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The China professor knows the price of everything

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but he knows the value of nothing.

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China's 6000 years of values wiped out

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by 100 years of communism.

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China is a now a country with greed and no soul.

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Is this really what we want Singapore to be too?

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Do everything you can to protect your mental health.�

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People just want to be rich
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I rather make people laugh
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Why just blindly chase money
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when you can be so funny?
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Why go for 6.9 million ==> GDP
(population lah not toto, By all means go for the 6.9 mil toto)� �
What is more important than GDP ==> Mental health
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The China professor knows the price of everything
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but he knows the value of nothing.
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China's 6000 years of values wiped out
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by 100 years of communism.
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China is a now a country with greed and no soul.
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Is this really what we want Singapore to be too?
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Do everything you can to protect your mental health.�
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Do everything you can to be Happy :))
Life is simple if one stay contented :)
And outcome will be less stressful :)))

Folks, like or not, we are headed here like in this experiment. �God bless us all

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What Humans Can Learn From The Mice Utopia Experiment

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In 1950, an American ethologist named�John Calhoun created a series of experiments�to test the effects of overpopulation on the behaviour of�social animals.�The animals which Calhoun chose for his experiments where mice (and later on rats). He chose rodents as these reproduce rapidly thus allowing him to observe the development of several generations of mice �in a relatively short space of time.
Read More:�The Power Of Choice

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Wow, this is an extremely long read, but thanks for sharing.

http://singaporeseen...ng-separated-by

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Wow, this is an extremely long read, but thanks for sharing.

Cannot but help Tt we are indeed headed for utopia

This thread alone is evidence

in reality not so scary lah.

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just use a sane mind to judge what's right or wrong.

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taking into consideration of circumstances,environment and prioritize things.

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basically 3 meals and a cover is enough. [:p]

if you compare with USA, road rage in SG is sub sub soi.

So SG is not really that bad / stressful...

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if you compare with USA, road rage in SG is sub sub soi.

So SG is not really that bad / stressful...

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the senior generations pushing a bit too hard to ensure viability of a country.

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but i expect it to soften later on.

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current stress level won't last forever as we are building many things now.

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building things is not infinite.

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this is part of nation building. [:p]

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after that enjoy till you pass away. [laugh]

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LHL like to build things.

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small that time play LEGO isit? [laugh]

Edited by Gitanic, 21 March 2015 - 06:16 PM.

if you compare with USA, road rage in SG is sub sub soi.

So SG is not really that bad / stressful...

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Cars too cheap in US they can afford to use them as bumper cars

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In sg everyone sayang their cars too much

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Rude driver shows middle finger after stopping at junction near Yishun-
http://singaporeseen...ion-near-yishun

Excuse me miss, aren't your shorts way too short?-
http://singaporeseen...t-ikea-tampines

Eww: What Stomper found on board a bus will gross you out-
http://singaporeseen...l-gross-you-out

Woman so afraid of sunlight -- she even has to open umbrella inside MRT-
http://singaporeseen...ella-inside-mrt

Two men very stressful .........

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CNA:��Duo arrested for organising public assembly without permit outside Istana

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SINGAPORE: Two men between the ages of 24 and 25 were arrested by police outside the Istana on Saturday afternoon (Apr 4).

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Police said the duo had turned up in front of the Istana with placards at about 4pm. Channel NewsAsia understands that the men were holding signs that read �You can�t silence the people� and �Injustice� for about half an hour. They were clad in identical red hoodies and dark blue jeans.

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Police also said both of them had refused to stop the activity despite requests from officers. As such, they were arrested for organising a public assembly without a permit, under Section 16(1)(a) of the Public Order Act, Chapter 257A.

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Channel NewsAsia also understands that the two men are not affiliated to any groups or organisations. Police investigations are on going.

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link: http://www.channelne...or/1766516.html

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Seow lang plenty ...... [hur]

Excuse me miss, aren't your shorts way too short?-
http://singaporeseen...t-ikea-tampines

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Can never please everyone [:p]

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that short short will stress some and de-stress others

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that short short will stress some and de-stress others

Yes. Even if she de-dressed, some will still be stressed.

Yes. Even if she de-dressed, some will still be stressed.

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Only�women feel stressed ... [sly] � cos bigger & more curves then them ... [lipsrsealed]

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Two men very stressful .........

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CNA:��Duo arrested for organising public assembly without permit outside Istana

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SINGAPORE: Two men between the ages of 24 and 25 were arrested by police outside the Istana on Saturday afternoon (Apr 4).

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Police said the duo had turned up in front of the Istana with placards at about 4pm. Channel NewsAsia understands that the men were holding signs that read �You can�t silence the people� and �Injustice� for about half an hour. They were clad in identical red hoodies and dark blue jeans.

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Police also said both of them had refused to stop the activity despite requests from officers. As such, they were arrested for organising a public assembly without a permit, under Section 16(1)(a) of the Public Order Act, Chapter 257A.

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link: http://www.channelne...or/1766516.html

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Seow lang plenty ......

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This is what I called... eat full, no shit come out, so have to destress in this way

Two men very stressful .........

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CNA:��Duo arrested for organising public assembly without permit outside Istana

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SINGAPORE: Two men between the ages of 24 and 25 were arrested by police outside the Istana on Saturday afternoon (Apr 4).

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Police said the duo had turned up in front of the Istana with placards at about 4pm. Channel NewsAsia understands that the men were holding signs that read �You can�t silence the people� and �Injustice� for about half an hour. They were clad in identical red hoodies and dark blue jeans.

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Police also said both of them had refused to stop the activity despite requests from officers. As such, they were arrested for organising a public assembly without a permit, under Section 16(1)(a) of the Public Order Act, Chapter 257A.

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They must�be testing our SG Laws.

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If 5 or more peoples gathers together with a common intention could constitute an offence of illegal assembly, they tried 2 ...... [sly]

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Still kana arrested ... [laugh]

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They must�be testing our SG Laws.

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If 5 or more peoples gathers together with a common intention could constitute an offence of illegal assembly, they tried 2 ......

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Still kana arrested ...

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actually they were arrested not because of "illegal" assembly. As below, ONE person will also kenna �

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�assembly� means a gathering or meeting (whether or not comprising any lecture, talk, address, debate or discussion) of persons the purpose (or one of the purposes) of which is��

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to demonstrate support for or opposition to the views or actions of any person, group of persons or any government;

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to publicise a cause or campaign; or

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to mark or commemorate any event,

and includes a demonstration by a person alone for any such purpose referred to in paragraph�(a), (b) or (c);

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actually they were arrested not because of "illegal" assembly. As below, ONE person will also kenna �

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�assembly� means a gathering or meeting (whether or not comprising any lecture, talk, address, debate or discussion) of persons the purpose (or one of the purposes) of which is��

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to demonstrate support for or opposition to the views or actions of any person, group of persons or any government;

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to publicise a cause or campaign; or

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to mark or commemorate any event,

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Agreed.

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They are holding playcards �You can�t silence the people� and �Injustice�.

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The qestion on my mind : What are they demonstrating for ... [confused] ��

Edited by Picnic06, 06 April 2015 - 10:32 AM.

siao lang

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They are holding playcards �You can�t silence the people� and �Injustice�.

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The qestion on my mind : What are they demonstrating for ... ��

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i was thinking more of them trying to promote/advertise something instead of demonstrating, trying to catch attention.

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but then if that is what they are doing then i really worried about the two guys, not that they will be punished by law but their intelligent [sweatdrop] ��

I find it quite ironic how those who try to champion for the freedom of speech yada yada yada will then go on to kpkb and tell those who voice opposing views about them to shut up. Shouldn't they be embracing all views if they are all about "freedon of speech" ?

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Police also said both of them had refused to stop the activity despite requests from officers.

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idiots

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Y censor face? Got upshorts photo?

Edited by Mockngbrd, 06 April 2015 - 10:59 AM.

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Hmmmm.............. the auntie behind was carrying a stool. Maybe ask her to stand higher for more pple to see.... [:p] �

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She could be carrying also name cards to distribute that can find her at Lor 18 Geylang, Unit #01-** and the Stomper spoiled everything by taking a photo of it. Thats why the girl in picture turn her head back.... :ph34r: �

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Edited by Picnic06, 06 April 2015 - 11:59 AM.

Man catches 70kg fish at Pasir Ris Fishing Pond -- but told to throw it back without any compensation-
http://singaporeseen...it-back-without

Passenger injured after jumping out of taxi when cabby drives off before he can alight at Boon Lay-
http://singaporeseen...f-before-he-can

'Pantang' cabbies refuse to take man at Jurong Point taxi stand to cemetery-
http://singaporeseen...and-to-cemetery

What's he doing? Man puts hand into shorts on board MRT train-
http://singaporeseen...board-mrt-train

What's he doing? Man puts hand into shorts on board MRT train-
http://singaporeseen...board-mrt-train

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Only when a�person with STD cannot wait to go toilet to scratch and need to relief�the itch on the sport ..... [sly] ��

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I no experience, must ask those with experience before ... [grin]

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U sounds like u have experience leh.

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