Thứ Năm, 29 tháng 12, 2016

2015 Forester 2.0 part 21

  • 05 February 2016 - 11:10 AM
    Kelfinity

    I have tested the XT but not the base model. Somehow I don't feel the kick though acceleration is pretty good. maybe it is because of CVT as I did not feel any gear change. Heard the facelift will have subtle gear change feel incorporated. Anyone knows?

    Other changes would be better sound insulation and DRL/LED head and rear lights.

    Any advice on is it worth to top up 10k just for XT over base? I have not tried the base model as I say this.


  • 05 February 2016 - 11:27 AM
    Chucky2007

    I have tested the XT but not the base model. Somehow I don't feel the kick though acceleration is pretty good. maybe it is because of CVT as I did not feel any gear change. Heard the facelift will have subtle gear change feel incorporated. Anyone knows?

    Other changes would be better sound insulation and DRL/LED head and rear lights.

    Any advice on is it worth to top up 10k just for XT over base? I have not tried the base model as I say this.

    That's a reasonable question and nobody can answer you bec:
    -it depends whether the 10k different means anything to you over 5-10 years..
    -whether the higher FC of maybe 2-3km/litre means a lot to you.
    -whether you dont care if there is electric tailgate.
    -whether better pick up is ok for you.

    If yes is at least 2 of 4.. the the 2L turbo is the choice. It's agonising when one chooses non turbo when they may have preferred the turbo, and there is a turbo choice.
  • 05 February 2016 - 11:30 AM
    hpy090909

    still deciding between 2.0xt and a BMW 116D�

    my monthly mileage around 3k km


  • 05 February 2016 - 11:36 AM
    Kelfinity

    That's a reasonable question and nobody can answer you bec:
    -it depends whether the 10k different means anything to you over 5-10 years..
    -whether the higher FC of maybe 2-3km/litre means a lot to you.
    -whether you dont care if there is electric tailgate.
    -whether better pick up is ok for you.

    If yes is at least 2 of 4.. the the 2L turbo is the choice. It's agonising when one chooses non turbo when they may have preferred the turbo, and there is a turbo choice.

    Would you know if the insurance premium is very different between XT and base? I was told XT is about 1.4k for me.


  • 05 February 2016 - 11:36 AM
    sunnymonk

    still deciding between 2.0xt and a BMW 116D�

    my monthly mileage around 3k km

    To me XT wins cos of practicality.

    And servicing cost is much lower than BMW's.

    But sometimes it's hard to see beyond the badge. :P


  • 05 February 2016 - 11:39 AM
    hpy090909

    ya but the overall cost (exclude servicing) of the XT is actually higher than the beemer due to the higher insurance and FC


  • 05 February 2016 - 11:43 AM
    Mkl22

    ya but the overall cost (exclude servicing) of the XT is actually higher than the beemer due to the higher insurance and FC

    you answered you own question. Buy the BMW lor


  • 05 February 2016 - 12:03 PM
    sunnymonk

    ya but the overall cost (exclude servicing) of the XT is actually higher than the beemer due to the higher insurance and FC

    Road tax is same.

    FC BM is better.

    Insurance I suppose XT is more.

    According to SGCM, depn is higher for BM at 12600 compared to 10500 of XT.

    Was told servicing at Performance is killer(my boss drives a 5 series) and step in means at least 500-600 for normal servicing.

    But end of the day, whatever you fancy you can justify it. So go with your heart.


  • 05 February 2016 - 12:07 PM
    hpy090909

    hopefully the beemer offers 5 years servicing , the subee only offers 1st 3 servicing free�

    beemer road tax actually higher than subee ...beemer $1384 , 2.0 xt $1201�

    insurance for me beemer $980+ , subee $1200�

    montlhtly fuel cost for beemer $100+ , subee $400 ...

    not sure if all these savings can cover the difference in depreciation, practicality and servicing cost�

    haiz ...really dunno which one to choose , i would really love to have a car that has adaptive cruise control , really very sick of driving in traffic jams


    Edited by hpy090909, 05 February 2016 - 12:11 PM.

  • 05 February 2016 - 01:13 PM
    Chucky2007

    hopefully the beemer offers 5 years servicing , the subee only offers 1st 3 servicing free

    beemer road tax actually higher than subee ...beemer $1384 , 2.0 xt $1201

    insurance for me beemer $980+ , subee $1200

    montlhtly fuel cost for beemer $100+ , subee $400 ...

    not sure if all these savings can cover the difference in depreciation, practicality and servicing cost

    haiz ...really dunno which one to choose , i would really love to have a car that has adaptive cruise control , really very sick of driving in traffic jams

    no one can decide for u man.. diesel cost at $100 sounds good. Go for it.

    ya but the overall cost (exclude servicing) of the XT is actually higher than the beemer due to the higher insurance and FC


    Maybe should consider a CatA car that's around 80-90k instead if you are concern with service cost, FC, insurance.. confirmed all cheaper
  • 05 February 2016 - 01:23 PM
    Vinceng
    Forester pricing at all time low. $103K can't even get you a bread and butter car when COE was at its peak.

    My gut feel is pricing will be revised upwards next week.

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  • 05 February 2016 - 01:29 PM
    Nav14

    I have tested the XT but not the base model. Somehow I don't feel the kick though acceleration is pretty good. maybe it is because of CVT as I did not feel any gear change. Heard the facelift will have subtle gear change feel incorporated. Anyone knows?

    Other changes would be better sound insulation and DRL/LED head and rear lights.

    Any advice on is it worth to top up 10k just for XT over base? I have not tried the base model as I say this.

    Isn't a seamless gear change better than one that jerks ? Maybe it is the CVT that masks the power of the car but what matters is the car being able to accelerate fast and smoothly without any feel of gears changing.

    The main improvements to look out for in the facelifted XT are how effective are the measures taken to reduce noise and the ride quality (based an improved suspension set up). If the improvements in these 2 areas are obvious , then the XT would become an even more attractive proposition. But if they induce some artificial feel of gear change , then for me it will be a put off.


  • 05 February 2016 - 02:05 PM
    Tohto

    Pro over Vezel:
    AD, AWD, Better handling, Less body roll, Better sound insulation, Cat B, More powerA Lot More Power

    Con over Vezel:
    Drinks alot more petrol, sticky AD policy on after market parts (if you are into pimping your ride), higher road tax, high insurance

    Change for you.

    There is no comparison in term of power.

    From the Japanese maker, only the Lexus NX200 turbo are similar. While from the conti brand, there are Volvo XC60, Audi Q5 etc..... But all this will cause at least $100k more.


    Edited by Tohto, 05 February 2016 - 02:17 PM.

  • 05 February 2016 - 02:18 PM
    hpy090909

    no one can decide for u man.. diesel cost at $100 sounds good. Go for it.

    Maybe should consider a CatA car that's around 80-90k instead if you are concern with service cost, FC, insurance.. confirmed all cheaper

    im not looking for the cheapest car , i have more or less strike off popluar cars like altis , k3, vezel or even the non turbo forester already .. cause i feel that for a few k more in depreciation ...why not get a better car even if servicing and FC cost are more...

    im more looking at value for money ...im sick and tired of my boring cerato 1.6 HB which i drove for the past 9 years�


    Edited by hpy090909, 05 February 2016 - 02:21 PM.

  • 05 February 2016 - 02:42 PM
    Chucky2007

    im not looking for the cheapest car , i have more or less strike off popluar cars like altis , k3, vezel or even the non turbo forester already .. cause i feel that for a few k more in depreciation ...why not get a better car even if servicing and FC cost are more...

    im more looking at value for money ...im sick and tired of my boring cerato 1.6 HB which i drove for the past 9 years

    If you want value for power for $$.. this is it... the forester XT turbo. If looking at badge, status and other yada yada.. top up 25k for the 116D.. Q3 etc.. if same power.. top up 100k
  • 05 February 2016 - 02:51 PM
    evo171

    If you want value for power for $$.. this is it... the forester XT turbo. If looking at badge, status and other yada yada.. top up 25k for the 116D.. Q3 etc.. if same power.. top up 100k

    Agree with Chucky2007. Go test drive xt. Then test drive volvo xc60. U will see the value for similiar power.
  • 05 February 2016 - 03:04 PM
    Macrosszero

    im not looking for the cheapest car , i have more or less strike off popluar cars like altis , k3, vezel or even the non turbo forester already .. cause i feel that for a few k more in depreciation ...why not get a better car even if servicing and FC cost are more...

    im more looking at value for money ...im sick and tired of my boring cerato 1.6 HB which i drove for the past 9 years�

    You have no idea how contradictory you sound.


  • 05 February 2016 - 03:13 PM
    BenTong

    can anyone help me justify getting the 2.0XT over the vezel ? other then the engine specs

    Huh?
    FXT or Outback?
    Which one to choose?
  • 05 February 2016 - 04:32 PM
    X5actor

    Agree with Chucky2007. Go test drive xt. Then test drive volvo xc60. U will see the value for similiar power.

    I think Kelfinity mentioned in an�earlier post that he/she had test-driven the XT?


    Edited by X5actor, 05 February 2016 - 04:32 PM.

  • 05 February 2016 - 04:49 PM
    Yeshe

    You have no idea how contradictory you sound.

    because its ai pee, ai qi, ai tua liap nee [laugh] [laugh]


  • 05 February 2016 - 05:17 PM
    Puiru

    I kept reading that the FC of Forester is bad. How bad is bad? If a car is rated to achieve 20km/l, can it achieve in real life? I am talking about average FC and not one time FC. As for my Forester, its rated to achieve 12.5km/l and I am getting this FC on average. Further more, please compare with equality. e.g. 2.0cc vs. 2.0cc, and not 1.5cc vs. 2.0cc.


  • 05 February 2016 - 05:28 PM
    Tohto

    I kept reading that the FC of Forester is bad. How bad is bad? If a car is rated to achieve 20km/l, can it achieve in real life? I am talking about average FC and not one time FC. As for my Forester, its rated to achieve 12.5km/l and I am getting this FC on average. Further more, please compare with equality. e.g. 2.0cc vs. 2.0cc, and not 1.5cc vs. 2.0cc.


    There many driver out there, want to buy a 2.0L Turbo AWD SUV but want a FC of a 1.5L saloon. They should just buy the 1.5L saloon.
    Like my college, bought a X3 and keep on heard him complain FC only 9km/L+
  • 05 February 2016 - 05:38 PM
    Chucky2007
    IMHO.. the best SUV is Cayenne Turbo S..
    The most comfortable SUV is XC90.. some say GL class Merc

    Go with either of this 2 wouldn't be wrong. Depends on if you need 7 or 5 seat.

    There many driver out there, want to buy a 2.0L Turbo AWD SUV but want a FC of a 1.5L saloon. They should just buy the 1.5L saloon.
    Like my college, bought a X3 and keep on heard him complain FC only 9km/L+

    Haha so is he driving frugally to achieve the best FC?
  • 05 February 2016 - 05:53 PM
    Mkl22

    There many driver out there, want to buy a 2.0L Turbo AWD SUV but want a FC of a 1.5L saloon. They should just buy the 1.5L saloon.
    Like my college, bought a X3 and keep on heard him complain FC only 9km/L+

    precisely. maybe the engine power should only be used to power the alternator and aircon compressor. then open a hole in the floor to use leg power to move the car... hahaha


  • 05 February 2016 - 05:54 PM
    Yeshe

    There many driver out there, want to buy a 2.0L Turbo AWD SUV but want a FC of a 1.5L saloon. They should just buy the 1.5L saloon.
    Like my college, bought a X3 and keep on heard him complain FC only 9km/L+

    9km/l for suv is very good seriously. I have never tested better than 8km/l for almost 10yrs already :D
  • 05 February 2016 - 06:15 PM
    BenTong

    I kept reading that the FC of Forester is bad. How bad is bad? If a car is rated to achieve 20km/l, can it achieve in real life? I am talking about average FC and not one time FC. As for my Forester, its rated to achieve 12.5km/l and I am getting this FC on average. Further more, please compare with equality. e.g. 2.0cc vs. 2.0cc, and not 1.5cc vs. 2.0cc.

    You are getting 12.5km/l for the FXT ? Or for the NA?
  • 05 February 2016 - 06:21 PM
    Pocus

    can anyone help me justify getting the 2.0XT over the vezel ? other then the engine specs

    This is the funniest comparison I ever heard people asking, clearly you haven't even driven both.

    The XT outclass the Vezel in every way from driving, power, features and comfort. But it's not for the faint heart due to the price and maintenance cost. It's not a fair comparison to begin with.

    It's like comparing the�FXT with a BMW X5. For money of course but X5, no money FXT loh.


  • 05 February 2016 - 06:23 PM
    BenTong

    This is the funniest comparison I ever heard people asking, clearly you haven't even driven both.

    The XT outclass the Vezel in every way from driving, power, features and comfort. But it's not for the faint heart due to the price and maintenance cost. It's not a fair comparison to begin with.

    It's like comparing the FXT with a BMW X5. For money of course but X5, no money FXT loh.

    How bad is the maintenance costs bro? Thinking of going for FXT. Care to share your experience?
  • 05 February 2016 - 06:50 PM
    Puiru

    You are getting 12.5km/l for the FXT ? Or for the NA?

    It's a NA.
  • 05 February 2016 - 07:07 PM
    Tohto

    Haha so is he driving frugally to achieve the best FC?


    Yup. Seating in his car just felt so irritating because can felt he is controlling his right foot a lot.
    I don't think he has even get the engine speed above 3000rpm. What a waste for his car.
  • 05 February 2016 - 09:36 PM
    Vinceng

    How bad is the maintenance costs bro? Thinking of going for FXT. Care to share your experience?

    You count the savings from purchasing a FORESTER XT , compared to getting a Volvo XC60. You will know FORESTER is a good buy.

    Japanese cars, no matter how expensive in maintenance costs, is still cheaper compared to Continental cars.

    Edited by Vinceng, 05 February 2016 - 09:36 PM.

  • 05 February 2016 - 11:03 PM
    sunnymonk
    Does anyone golf?
    If yes, any idea how many golf bags can fit into the boot?
    I estimate maybe 3 cart bags. One horizontal and 2 diagonal.

    And still got space to fit a few bags.

    Haha this is important to me so appreciate any input.
  • 05 February 2016 - 11:07 PM
    Pocus

    How bad is the maintenance costs bro? Thinking of going for FXT. Care to share your experience?

    It's as much as any 2.0 car. I'm comparing it with the vezel.

    The extras including a 18" tire replacements in the future, extra differential fluid for awd, extra care for cvt like most other cvt cars and some typical maintenance for turbo.
  • 06 February 2016 - 12:46 PM
    zofz
    Anyone torn between forester xt and mazda cx-5?
  • 06 February 2016 - 01:00 PM
    evo171

    Anyone torn between forester xt and mazda cx-5?

    Nope. I would take fxt in a heartbeat.
  • 06 February 2016 - 01:11 PM
    zofz

    Nope. I would take fxt in a heartbeat.

    Can share why?�

    I am torn because...

    XT

    1. more powerful, more torque

    2. safer

    3. more space (boot and rear passengers)

    CX-5

    1. more continental/attas feel

    2. better fuel economy

    3. better in-car software/entertainment

    4. engine easier to service?? (claims by SE)

    Haven't had a chance to test drive the 2016 forester yet. so cannot quite compare comfort and road noise etc.

    Any factor to tip the scales?


  • 06 February 2016 - 01:22 PM
    sunnymonk

    Anyone torn between forester xt and mazda cx-5?

    Absolutely not.
    Cx5 more expensive, no electric tailgate, smaller interior and boot space , less power, maintenance same or more expensive.
    Only thing cx5 has is better looks.
  • 06 February 2016 - 01:23 PM
    evo171

    Can share why?

    I am torn because...

    XT
    1. more powerful, more torque
    2. safer
    3. more space (boot and rear passengers)

    CX-5
    1. more continental/attas feel
    2. better fuel economy
    3. better in-car software/entertainment
    4. engine easier to service?? (claims by SE)

    Haven't had a chance to test drive the 2016 forester yet. so cannot quite compare comfort and road noise etc.

    Any factor to tip the scales?

    Sorry was not specific earlier. Different buyers look for different things. For me, I was looking for a bigger car that had more rear seat space (compared to my jazz).

    So Forester had the following that win me over:
    - more rear seat space,
    - more power
    - cheaper
    - better handling (awd, less body roll when cornering)

    Have you test drive both cx-5 and the current fxt? The current fxt should already give u a good feel of what to expect. If the current fxt does not tip the scale now, the facelift will not too.

    Edited by evo171, 06 February 2016 - 01:27 PM.

  • 06 February 2016 - 01:25 PM
    Sgmanwtf
    How much is CX5 now compare to FXT which is at 112800?
    And if anyone know when the 2016 FXT will be at MI for test drive?
    Thks
  • 06 February 2016 - 01:29 PM
    evo171

    How much is CX5 now compare to FXT which is at 112800?
    And if anyone know when the 2016 FXT will be at MI for test drive?
    Thks

    Sgcarmart app puts 2.0 at $122888 and premium at $127888.
  • 06 February 2016 - 03:40 PM
    Chucky2007

    Can share why?

    I am torn because...

    XT
    1. more powerful, more torque
    2. safer
    3. more space (boot and rear passengers)

    CX-5
    1. more continental/attas feel
    2. better fuel economy
    3. better in-car software/entertainment
    4. engine easier to service?? (claims by SE)

    Haven't had a chance to test drive the 2016 forester yet. so cannot quite compare comfort and road noise etc.

    Any factor to tip the scales?

    I drive a FXT, while my brother drive the CX5 2.5. CX5 cabin is smaller especially the passenger row. Boot is slightly better.

    Will I take CX5 2.5 over FXT even if they are same price? Nah.. I'll stick to the FXT. And the fact is CX5 is more expensive in singapore as well.
  • 06 February 2016 - 04:06 PM
    BenTong

    How much is CX5 now compare to FXT which is at 112800?
    And if anyone know when the 2016 FXT will be at MI for test drive?
    Thks

    FXT FL already in showroom today. Molested by many people.
  • 06 February 2016 - 06:41 PM
    Cosmicclaw

    I see. Cos I did a test drive in Nov last year. In this case, I'll have to check with the SE if the one I drove is new or old.

    Don't think any changes to engine, ride etc except for some additional safety features. But if you hear any different from your SE, do share.


  • 06 February 2016 - 06:52 PM
    Mkl22

    Ben, that's not the FXT FL. That white forester on display is the FXT Black Edition (17" rims and no DRL). The FL version has not arrived yet. The one behind the curtain is the FL for the non turbo forester.

    That is the specs of the facelift XT. Another item is driver memory seats. No sure if it's down at the showroom floor but the brown car is available for viewing on the 2nd level carpark.
  • 06 February 2016 - 06:53 PM
    sunnymonk
    My SE just confirmed new XT is back in LK showroom. I'll have to pop over next week to take a look. Will ask him about the new features of the outback if any. Backside getting very itchy.. Hope I don't get impetuous and sign on the dotted line while I'm there..
  • 06 February 2016 - 07:05 PM
    BenTong

    Ben, that's not the FXT FL. That white forester on display is the FXT Black Edition (17" rims and no DRL). The FL version has not arrived yet. The one behind the curtain is the FL for the non turbo forester.

    There are 2 XT in the showroom. One white STI current model and the other 2 cars back the new FL FXT. The new FL NA behind the screens.

    Don't think any changes to engine, ride etc except for some additional safety features. But if you hear any different from your SE, do share.

    Saw the specs and features list. 3 items

    (1) auto dimming mirror
    (2) auto headlights leveller? I think
    (3) rear vehicle detection system
  • 06 February 2016 - 07:06 PM
    Sgmanwtf
    Alamak.. double confirm with SE and that new FXT is in LK showroom.
    Somehow, like some of the Bros here, Outback does tempt me and esp wifey and kids actually prefer as what Bro Ben mentioned - more refined and comforter ride... scratch head liao..hah

    SE a mentioned - part from bro Ben mentioned on outback, think got lane departure thingy? Yes/No?

    Edited by Sgmanwtf, 06 February 2016 - 07:09 PM.

  • 06 February 2016 - 07:14 PM
    BenTong

    Alamak.. double confirm with SE and that new FXT is in LK showroom.
    Somehow, like some of the Bros here, Outback does tempt me and esp wifey and kids actually prefer as what Bro Ben mentioned - more refined and comforter ride... scratch head liao..hah

    SE a mentioned - part from bro Ben mentioned on outback, think got lane departure thingy? Yes/No?

    the lane departure may not. Think that's part of the eyesight system. Which is not brought in by MI. As for the rear vehicle detection system you got to consult bro Cosmicclaw
  • 06 February 2016 - 07:16 PM
    Sgmanwtf

    the lane departure may not. Think that's part of the eyesight system. Which is not brought in by MI. As for the rear vehicle detection system you got to consult bro Cosmicclaw

    Oh I see
    Thks..
  • 06 February 2016 - 08:07 PM
    Tohto
    Different for facelift FXT.

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  • 06 February 2016 - 08:41 PM
    evo171

    Different for facelift FXT.

    These are cosmetics differences. What about technical differences, do they have a list?

    Like does it have thicker glass, digital speedo, realigned gear system, etc?

    Edited by evo171, 06 February 2016 - 08:44 PM.

  • 06 February 2016 - 08:52 PM
    Tohto

    These are cosmetics differences. What about technical differences, do they have a list?

    Like does it have thicker glass, digital speedo, realigned gear system, etc?

    I also want to know.

    Thicker glass will mean better sound insulation, gear box will improve the driving dynamic etc....

    I won't be surprised the SE will not know very technical information change to the car.


    Edited by Tohto, 06 February 2016 - 08:53 PM.

  • 06 February 2016 - 10:18 PM
    Mkl22

    These are cosmetics differences. What about technical differences, do they have a list?

    Like does it have thicker glass, digital speedo, realigned gear system, etc?

    I think you can google and find. Off hand, steering rack ratio. Suspension shocks recalibration. Thicker door glass. Urethane injected into the chassis.
  • 06 February 2016 - 11:15 PM
    Tohto

    I think you can google and find. Off hand, steering rack ratio. Suspension shocks recalibration. Thicker door glass. Urethane injected into the chassis.


    The problem is whether MI bring in these items or not.
  • 07 February 2016 - 01:27 AM
    Mkl22

    The problem is whether MI bring in these items or not.

    Highly likely. Subaru is not going to have a special production line to sort out thin and thick glass. Of course options like eye sight is different but glass, suspension and steering rack etc should be the same

    Edited by Mkl22, 07 February 2016 - 01:40 AM.

  • 07 February 2016 - 06:30 AM
    Highmount

    There are 2 XT in the showroom. One white STI current model and the other 2 cars back the new FL FXT. The new FL NA behind the screens.
    Saw the specs and features list. 3 items

    (1) auto dimming mirror
    (2) auto headlights leveller? I think
    (3) rear vehicle detection system

    There's a forester STI model?


  • 07 February 2016 - 07:56 AM
    BenTong

    There's a forester STI model?

    Salah describe. The black edition
  • 07 February 2016 - 11:35 AM
    ChangeCar2016
    I am a family man with 2 adults and 2 children (one in child seat and 1 boaster seat). Mainly use my car to send and fetch my Wife and kids daily and occasionally with my Aging parents.

    I am considering between forester and wish.

    For forester, should I go for XT or normal ?
  • 07 February 2016 - 11:52 AM
    sunnymonk

    I am a family man with 2 adults and 2 children (one in child seat and 1 boaster seat). Mainly use my car to send and fetch my Wife and kids daily and occasionally with my Aging parents.

    I am considering between forester and wish.

    For forester, should I go for XT or normal ?

    If you need to pick up parents, then wish will be more comfy for everyone.

    If you take forester, XT is more worth it to many people.
  • 07 February 2016 - 12:31 PM
    Macrosszero

    The Wish was $100,988 at BM yesterday, for a Japan made 7-seater people-mover, it seems a pretty good value at the current COE level. Running costs and insurance will be cheaper. And it is a Toyota.


  • 07 February 2016 - 01:16 PM
    Jay1980

    The Wish was $100,988 at BM yesterday, for a Japan made 7-seater people-mover, it seems a pretty good value at the current COE level. Running costs and insurance will be cheaper. And it is a Toyota.

    I thought it's from 105888 onwards from BM?
  • 07 February 2016 - 02:01 PM
    Lurker

    Hi,

    I've been looking at Outback and Forester (non turbo). Wondering if any owners have tried driving up Genting and did it have enough power to scale the last leg of the climb or was the engine struggling?

    Will also be posting on Outback, Legacy threads to garner more feedback.

    Appreciate all inputs before I make my decision.Thank you !!!


  • 07 February 2016 - 03:22 PM
    Chucky2007

    Hi,

    I've been looking at Outback and Forester (non turbo). Wondering if any owners have tried driving up Genting and did it have enough power to scale the last leg of the climb or was the engine struggling?

    Will also be posting on Outback, Legacy threads to garner more feedback.

    Appreciate all inputs before I make my decision.Thank you !!!

    Don't think that's any issue with the outback or forester non turbo..
  • 07 February 2016 - 03:25 PM
    BenTong

    Don't think that's any issue with the outback or forester non turbo..

    the taxis that goes up n down Genting are mostly proton wiras. Don't think it's the car leh...
  • 07 February 2016 - 03:31 PM
    Chucky2007

    I would choose a CX-5 2.2 SkyActiv-D... if it wasn't many thousands more than the FXT

    Individual choice I guess. Everything on diesel turbo engine looks good haha.

    I just sat in my brother petrol 2.5 CX5 this 2 days.. I realised the interior is slightly smaller than the current 3 series.. smaller than what i had thought initially.

    his istop is off always as he hates it.

    Interior dash.. erm ok la, quite neat and piano black finish but nothing out of the ordinary.

    Wheel arc is huge though.. housing the stock 225/55r19 wheel and the wheel actually looks not big and the wheel arc looks like able to take 21" rims with ease.

    I guess the mazda designer has spent considerable thoughts into making the outlook attractive..but huge wheel arc will sacrifice on the interior space of the car. That's why CX5 has a slightlu larger exterior dimension than Forester but interior space wise it's like 3 series and 5 series difference in terms of space.
  • 07 February 2016 - 03:55 PM
    Cosmicclaw

    the taxis that goes up n down Genting are mostly proton wiras. Don't think it's the car leh...


    Those taxis are manual gear and can easily chiong upslope. Just like the kancils. Tried a Focus 1.6 Auto many years ago and quite breathless going up the steep ascent just before the hotels.

    But Forester and Outbacks have bigger and newer engines. Think should be fine.
  • 07 February 2016 - 04:20 PM
    Tohto

    Those taxis are manual gear and can easily chiong upslope. Just like the kancils. Tried a Focus 1.6 Auto many years ago and quite breathless going up the steep ascent just before the hotels.

    But Forester and Outbacks have bigger and newer engines. Think should be fine.


    Driving on this type of slop with auto gear, you must down shift to 3rd or 2nd gear manually for normal auto gear.
    If car had manual over right or paddle shift, then better.

    Some driver out there are so light foot that never let the rpm go above 3000rpm. And complaint no power.
  • 07 February 2016 - 06:44 PM
    Lurker

    Driving on this type of slop with auto gear, you must down shift to 3rd or 2nd gear manually for normal auto gear.
    If car had manual over right or paddle shift, then better.

    Some driver out there are so light foot that never let the rpm go above 3000rpm. And complaint no power.

    Read on some review that the Paddle Shift is more a "gimmicky" thingy as on CVT engine, can't really feel the gear changes so rely a lot of the onboard electronics to ensure the appropriate gear ratios to suit the situation. The X-Mode does sound useful when descending Genting as less chance of over-steping on brakes and sounds like a form of auto engine braking.

    Cars nowadays are controlled so much by electronics and even parking brake is electronic on Outback. Sometimes miss the old days of manual gears with just the speedometer and odometer to guide us and a pull of the handbrake to ensure car is parked� [laugh]� �


  • 07 February 2016 - 07:00 PM
    sunnymonk

    Read on some review that the Paddle Shift is more a "gimmicky" thingy as on CVT engine, can't really feel the gear changes so rely a lot of the onboard electronics to ensure the appropriate gear ratios to suit the situation. The X-Mode does sound useful when descending Genting as less chance of over-steping on brakes and sounds like a form of auto engine braking.

    Cars nowadays are controlled so much by electronics and even parking brake is electronic on Outback. Sometimes miss the old days of manual gears with just the speedometer and odometer to guide us and a pull of the handbrake to ensure car is parked [laugh]

    FXT still has the handbrake.. :p
  • 07 February 2016 - 07:15 PM
    Spidey10

    Hi,

    I've been looking at Outback and Forester (non turbo). Wondering if any owners have tried driving up Genting and did it have enough power to scale the last leg of the climb or was the engine struggling?

    Will also be posting on Outback, Legacy threads to garner more feedback.

    Appreciate all inputs before I make my decision.Thank you !!!

    Bro, 100k++ car having trouble going up Genting??
    If that's the case, what would you do with the car?
    Wira's and kelisa ramp up genting with ease, and they cost what...probably 20k++sgd!!
    You must be kidding right..
  • 07 February 2016 - 08:03 PM
    Yeshe

    Read on some review that the Paddle Shift is more a "gimmicky" thingy as on CVT engine, can't really feel the gear changes so rely a lot of the onboard electronics to ensure the appropriate gear ratios to suit the situation. The X-Mode does sound useful when descending Genting as less chance of over-steping on brakes and sounds like a form of auto engine braking.

    Cars nowadays are controlled so much by electronics and even parking brake is electronic on Outback. Sometimes miss the old days of manual gears with just the speedometer and odometer to guide us and a pull of the handbrake to ensure car is parked [laugh]

    Dun read reviews only. U got try it yourself or not. 10yrs ago, I tried paddle shift on CVT tranny, the gear switch is real, the torque comes as expected.
  • 07 February 2016 - 08:13 PM
    BenTong

    Bro, 100k++ car having trouble going up Genting??
    If that's the case, what would you do with the car?
    Wira's and kelisa ramp up genting with ease, and they cost what...probably 20k++sgd!!
    You must be kidding right..

    Hello.. You think ARF and COE you pay can give you more horsepower to climb hill huh?
  • 08 February 2016 - 10:06 AM
    Ozkaki
    Since the cvt has infinite steps, why is there a differentiation for XT? Since all are using the same gearbox. Feels faster for gear change?
  • 08 February 2016 - 11:12 AM
    Tohto

    Since the cvt has infinite steps, why is there a differentiation for XT? Since all are using the same gearbox. Feels faster for gear change?


    Gear ratio should be programme different for the XT.
  • 08 February 2016 - 11:46 AM
    Macrosszero

    Since the cvt has infinite steps, why is there a differentiation for XT? Since all are using the same gearbox. Feels faster for gear change?

    Because the engine that it is mated to 2.0 NA versus 2.0 turbocharged, has different characteristics in both horsepower and torque curves.
  • 08 February 2016 - 01:21 PM
    Wt_know

    Since the cvt has infinite steps, why is there a differentiation for XT? Since all are using the same gearbox. Feels faster for gear change?

    i suppose the fxt cvt chain is better than non turbo due to its increased torque ... the cvt performance and acceleration sure got difference
  • 08 February 2016 - 06:00 PM
    Tohto
    For those bros that have not seen this video before.
    You can see how good the CVT for the FXT when drive in paddle shift mode S#.

    https://youtu.be/7gGZNLDyuFE
  • 08 February 2016 - 07:40 PM
    Vinceng

    I am a family man with 2 adults and 2 children (one in child seat and 1 boaster seat). Mainly use my car to send and fetch my Wife and kids daily and occasionally with my Aging parents.

    I am considering between forester and wish.

    For forester, should I go for XT or normal ?


    If you need the space, especially to accommodate your aged parents, go for the Wish.

    If you choose the Forester, doubt your parents can squeeze in.
  • 08 February 2016 - 08:33 PM
    Wt_know
    Wish is one of the "best" family friendly and practical B&B MPV [thumbsup] ... one step further is Estima and Alphard liao
  • 08 February 2016 - 09:42 PM
    dragonforce

    What I do know about the Forester 2.0 is that its FC is on the high side, about 8.4km per litre for city driving.


  • 08 February 2016 - 09:55 PM
    Hamiles69

    I read thru the forum and came across numbers of FC feedback. Any bro can share with me average FC for NA vs XT? Just wonder if the FC difference is really significant?


  • 08 February 2016 - 10:20 PM
    Tohto

    I read thru the forum and came across numbers of FC feedback. Any bro can share with me average FC for NA vs XT? Just wonder if the FC difference is really significant?


    Different driver have different driving pattern, route.
    Without telling us your typical driving pattern, it is very difficult for others to advice you.
  • 08 February 2016 - 11:43 PM
    Vinceng

    I read thru the forum and came across numbers of FC feedback. Any bro can share with me average FC for NA vs XT? Just wonder if the FC difference is really significant?

    It varies according to your driving habits and route.

    XT consumes more petrol for sure, averages 2km/L more.

    But the purchase cost is so much lower than cars with similar power, so the lower purchase price makes up for the higher fuel consumption. Plus the Forester is made in Japan.

    Fuel consumption for a boxer engine, AWD will drink more without doubt.

    If fuel consumption is a concern, you should consider a N.A. FWD saloon like the Mazda 6, Nissan Teana, or if u must get a SUV , consider a FWD, N.A. option like the Nissan Qashqai 2.0

    Edited by Vinceng, 08 February 2016 - 11:46 PM.

  • 09 February 2016 - 10:27 AM
    Hamiles69

    Different driver have different driving pattern, route.
    Without telling us your typical driving pattern, it is very difficult for others to advice you.

    mainly 60% expressway and 40% city drive. What would be the average FC? I am not the cheongters, no so often on heavy pedal.


  • 09 February 2016 - 02:18 PM
    BenTong

    mainly 60% expressway and 40% city drive. What would be the average FC? I am not the cheongters, no so often on heavy pedal.

    Do share with us your FC la. Then we all can bench mark
  • 09 February 2016 - 02:28 PM
    St888
    Anyone purchase the new Forester XT?
    I want view the car but my se told me there already send to LTA.
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