2.0i Premium is more than adequate for me. In S'pore, I have no problem catching up with traffic. If I need more power while overtaking, just press the S-mode.
Just last weekend, I tried the cruise control for the 1st time at NSHW. At 110km/h, I-mode, RPM is around 1800. I set the cruise control to 110km/h. There were a few times I need to give way to fast moving SG cars by turning off cruise control and move to the left with speed dropped to 90km/h. Once I resumed the cruise control, gear dropped and RPM climb to 3500. I could actually feel being pull to the car seat.
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how do you find the "drive-ability" of the 2.0i Premium ?
comments?
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Of the differences betw the two models, other than additional power and better looks, the features that draws me to the FXT are the 18" rims and the sound setup. And if I am getting the 2.0i, I would probably be changing the rims and sound setup subsequently
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Can anyone help to comment on these:
1. Does the 2.0i P feels under-powered ?
2. How different is the sound setup for the FXT vs 2.0i P?
3. Does the 2.0i P comes with the powered (glass) sunroof ?
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My driving pattern is daily work commute (30min) each way, weekend shopping and 2~3 times of NSH yearly.�Yes, its a B&B driving pattern.
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comments / opinions from other bros ?
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Just to share my comments on point 2. I had been driving my�2.0i for pass 2 weeks. I love the music produced by the speakers, especially for sentimental songs. The Clariion head unit gives me the ability to adjust equalizer and save up to 3 pre-set settings. I find the voice produced are clear and the tweeters are audible. But if you are the heavy metal song listerner, then this speaker will sure disappoint you.
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Btw, my previous car has 11 speaker BOSE sound systems. This is the kind of setup that can wake up the whole neighbourhood.
In summary, sound is very subjective. You can bring a thumbdrive loaded with the songs and bring to Subaru showroom to test it out. I did that.
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how do you find the "drive-ability" of the 2.0i Premium ?
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When the car is at 90km/h, the car has enough oopmh to accelerate to 100km/h or higher quite effortlessly and quickly. The car also handle well with little body roll. At high speed, the car feels stable and compose too. Maybe due to AWD and a heavy body.
Last post for the day.
2.0i Premium is more than adequate for me. In S'pore, I have no problem catching up with traffic. If I need more power while overtaking, just press the S-mode.
Just last weekend, I tried the cruise control for the 1st time at NSHW. At 110km/h, I-mode, RPM is around 1800. I set the cruise control to 110km/h. There were a few times I need to give way to fast moving SG cars by turning off cruise control and move to the left with speed dropped to 90km/h. Once I resumed the cruise control, gear dropped and RPM climb to 3500. I could actually feel being pull to the car seat.
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It is dangerous to cruise at 110km/h on the right lane of NSHW.
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Would you recommend installing the camera system (Backvue) provided by Motor Image? or any other 3rd party brand to recommend?
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I� am not sure on the warranty portion if you get any other 3rd party brand and ask MI to install.
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Getting car in December...;)
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They are charging me 750 for front and back with some smart recording function.
I believe the cam will decreae the battery life and when it spoilt......
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For me, I rather�get one cheaper outside�& plug & play when only�driving and change every 2 years when it spoilt.
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Would you recommend installing the camera system (Backvue) provided by Motor Image? or any other 3rd party brand to recommend?
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I� am not sure on the warranty portion if you get any other 3rd party brand and ask MI to install.
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Getting car in December...;)
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They are charging me 750 for front and back with some smart recording function.
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Hi All,
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Would you recommend installing the camera system (Backvue) provided by Motor Image? or any other 3rd party brand to recommend?
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I� am not sure on the warranty portion if you get any other 3rd party brand and ask MI to install.
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Getting car in December...;)
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They are charging me 750 for front and back with some smart recording function.
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I think I read somewhere that if install charging cable to cigerette ligher socket will not affect warranty (as compared to direct to fuse box).
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Anyone can confirm if that is true?� (If yes, I plan to do this via the hidden console box socket and run the wire under the floor mats)
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When the car is at 90km/h, the car has enough oopmh to accelerate to 100km/h or higher quite effortlessly and quickly. The car also handle well with little body roll. At high speed, the car feels stable and compose too. Maybe due to AWD and a heavy body.
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thanks for sharing.
hows ur daily moving off ?
I suppose demand and supply, and people still find its acceptable to have XT at this price vs other SUV like X-Trail etc.
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Now the list price only $117K, shld be at the lowest
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at LK showroom over weekend. SE told without me asking, the price is $115k.
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but then if we have to indent $1k for colours, and if SE insists must take loan else no loan rebate etc, then the price will be higher.
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we can choose seat leather colour, but that's another $300 (black as standard).
agree. and bit by bit add the cost back ...
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All part of sales tactic to make u feel they gave you many discounts already.
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2.0I Premium has these 2 features. Just that it only has S mode (no S# mode), the maximum manual gear is 5th or 6th. Personally, I have only tried up to 5th gear in S'pore.
- Paddle shifter for more control.
- Rear pull down cup holder (IIRC Premium doesn't have that)
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FXT has the voice command feature which the NA does not have... but I seldom use the feature :P
FXT has the voice command feature which the NA does not have... but I seldom use the feature :P
Nope, 2.0 NA also has voice command.
Nope, 2.0 NA also has voice command.
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Voice control via Siri?
Voice control via Siri?
Not siri. Its the HU's proprietary speech recognition.
I think I read somewhere that if install charging cable to cigerette ligher socket will not affect warranty (as compared to direct to fuse box).
Anyone can confirm if that is true? (If yes, I plan to do this via the hidden console box socket and run the wire under the floor mats)
thanks for sharing.
hows ur daily moving off ?
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Moving off is quite torquey actually. Dont have to step gas pedal too much. Activate S mode if want to win the drag race :p
Anyway have you test drive it yet? I suggest you test out the XV so you will appreciate the NA 2.0L more.
wow $750 for 2 channel cam!Hi All,
Would you recommend installing the camera system (Backvue) provided by Motor Image? or any other 3rd party brand to recommend?
I am not sure on the warranty portion if you get any other 3rd party brand and ask MI to install.
Getting car in December...;)
They are charging me 750 for front and back with some smart recording function.
Maybe having a cam with GPS log is not that good idea.. imagine u got into an accident while travelling at 70km/hr on a 50/60km/hr road.. it's debatable on your share of responsibility.
I got IRoad V9 2 channel. Didn't get external GPS antenna $30 bec don't want that speed log function. At a cost of $420 including installation
heard it's 2016 March onwards.. but may not have same OMV as now as it's better equipped.. so u may have to adjust your current price level upwards.. still within budget if its at 135-150k at current COE level next year?Any idea when will the new face lift be here? Particularly interested on the memory seat, better sealing and active torque vectoring. I am ready to commit for FXT at current price level but the face lift news is holding me back......
Edited by Axela72, 14 November 2015 - 05:17 PM.
Wow, if i know the new FL will be here around March, i would have waited. In other country, this new FL is less than $300 more. Probably MI will sell at higher price during the inital mth, after a mth or so, it will go back to current price lvl assuming COE is constant.
Wonder we can tune the current drive as better FC similar as the new FL if it is just firmware instead of hardware improve
March is a little late.... Need to resist the itch for at least 4 months.....heard it's 2016 March onwards.. but may not have same OMV as now as it's better equipped.. so u may have to adjust your current price level upwards.. still within budget if its at 135-150k at current COE level next year?
Few k higher is ok. If over 5k more compare to pre-facelift then I think not worth. If price go up is because of COE then it is fair.
March is a little late.... Need to resist the itch for at least 4 months.....
Few k higher is ok. If over 5k more compare to pre-facelift then I think not worth. If price go up is because of COE then it is fair.
Wow, if i know the new FL will be here around March, i would have waited. In other country, this new FL is less than $300 more. Probably MI will sell at higher price during the inital mth, after a mth or so, it will go back to current price lvl assuming COE is constant.
Wonder we can tune the current drive as better FC similar as the new FL if it is just firmware instead of hardware improve
If you have followed this thread closely you would have known about the facelift. It was discussed with pictures some pages back.
Anyway buy car liao stop pondering and just look forward to delivery...
So what is the verdict? U go ahead or wait?
I will wait.....
If you have followed this thread closely you would have known about the facelift. It was discussed with pictures some pages back.
Anyway buy car liao stop pondering and just look forward to delivery...
Yup, I followed this thread closely and this is where I found the info and links for the face lift.
Nobody talk about the face lift for a while. I was hoping to find out if there is any new information from MI, that's why asking.
No I have not placed my order. Deciding whether to wait or not.... Looks like I will wait.
No hurry, just itchy. :-)
I know they used to do this for wrx and Brz
Hii bro does motor image charge vastly different prices for colors that are a available from existing stock VS colors that need to be specially indented (due to lack of existing stock)?
I know they used to do this for wrx and Brz
What I learned from this thread is that MI charge additional 1k for color that are not in stock.
To be honest, it's the Power follow by the more aggressive looking Bumper styling.
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Other things to consider between F and FXT:
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- Auto tailgate
- Nice looking rims
- HK Speakers with Amp
- Paddle shifter for more control.
- Rear pull down cup holder (IIRC Premium doesn't have that)
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Other than that, the�premium got everything covered...
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WD40 won't work don't waste the effort. The problem is the sound comes occasionally only, and then you try to replicate, it doesn't appear.
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just signed on the dotted line for the XT.
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Thanks to Pocus,�Ewennst,�Axela72,�cmdsea,�Puiru, (and to anyone whom i may have missed out) for your inputs and comments.
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Congrats!
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just signed on the dotted line for the XT.
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Hi all,
just signed on the dotted line for the XT.
Thanks to Pocus, Ewennst, Axela72, cmdsea, Puiru, (and to anyone whom i may have missed out) for your inputs and comments.
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Hi bro. Is yours from existing stock or is it from special indent?
Hi bro. Is yours from existing stock or is it from special indent?
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last week when i was there, my interested color is ex stock.
didnt ask today and i didnt pay the 1k more.
Hi all,
just signed on the dotted line for the XT.
Thanks to Pocus, Ewennst, Axela72, cmdsea, Puiru, (and to anyone whom i may have missed out) for your inputs and comments.
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Can share what is the final price you paid?
P.O.W.E.R :p
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Thanks for your input too.... yes... i totally agree --> FXT = POWER
If you want best deal, u should wait for the news that the new FL is arriving at MI. Before�their arrive, probably all the current old stock might have huge discount. Showroom car straight off 10k discount ![[:)]](http://www.mycarforum.com/public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png)
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Can share what is the final price you paid?
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If you want best deal, u should wait for the news that the new FL is arriving at MI. Before their arrive, probably all the current old stock might have huge discount. Showroom car straight off 10k discount
Don't think MI will reduce the price much.
I had been monitoring the price closely for the last few month.
Current Cat B COE is the lowest for the year, but the price quote by the SE is same as 2 mth ago when COE was higher.
I still got some time to wait, just hope my current car can last through.
Hi bro,
Thanks for your input too.... yes... i totally agree --> FXT = POWER
No others car at this size and price got this power..
Anything close or similar will need to paid at least $100k more..
Hi all,
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just signed on the dotted line for the XT.
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Thanks to Pocus,�Ewennst,�Axela72,�cmdsea,�Puiru, (and to anyone whom i may have missed out) for your inputs and comments.
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Congrats!
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You will definitely enjoy.
I think they should just adjust the FXT pricing up.. already have more than 2000 units of foresters on the road
Any idea when will the new face lift be here? Particularly interested on the memory seat, better sealing and active torque vectoring. I am ready to commit for FXT at current price level but the face lift news is holding me back......
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as with most car dealers.. they would either keep the current model at current price and for the FL model at a premium (and there's no guarantee that MI will bring in the FL model with the new options)�
Hii bro does motor image charge vastly different prices for colors that are a available from existing stock VS colors that need to be specially indented (due to lack of existing stock)?
I know they used to do this for wrx and Brz
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Not I know of if you are willing to wait for their scheduled date for delivery of your colour.
I suppose if you want to expidite to rush your colour into an earlier batch then perhaps can pay additional to indent (and assuming that the factory can accomoodate).
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Year ending raining season. As my office is open space carpark, Now have to worry How to protect the glass coating on the car before it has been cured, without rain on it
Not I know of if you are willing to wait for their scheduled date for delivery of your colour.
I suppose if you want to expidite to rush your colour into an earlier batch then perhaps can pay additional to indent (and assuming that the factory can accomoodate).
Edited by Axela72, 16 November 2015 - 03:00 PM.
I tend to disagree because i told SE i prefer to get my car after Dec, the longer the better. It is the SE that told me it cant be done. The latest he can allow me to delay is the car must deliver to me by end Dec. So turn out i have to pay extra $ for indent color due to the AD force me to take the car earlier?
Year ending raining season. As my office is open space carpark, Now have to worry How to protect the glass coating on the car before it has been cured, without rain on it
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Oh. Brand-new car with open-air car park and acid rain, I think the thin layer of lacquer on the Subaru may be�acid-washed.....
if me, I will park in multi-story car park until rainy reason is over.
Year ending raining season. As my office is open space carpark, Now have to worry How to protect the glass coating on the car before it has been cured, without rain on it
What glass coating? You are not talking about the solar film right?
That is applied inside, not outside.
I tend to disagree because i told SE i prefer to get my car after Dec, the longer the better. It is the SE that told me it cant be done. The latest he can allow me to delay is the car must deliver to me by end Dec. So turn out i have to pay extra $ for indent color due to the AD force me to take the car earlier?
Year ending raining season. As my office is open space carpark, Now have to worry How to protect the glass coating on the car before it has been cured, without rain on it
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Perhaps trying to increase registration of new car before year end so that can show good statistics of number of cars sold in the calendar year.� Or they want your trade-in car as soon as possible rather than let it get older and have less months less before 10 years run out.�
Then should squeeze SE for better discount since they seem to want the car to come in and be registered as fast as possible.
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Edited by jg2000, 16 November 2015 - 04:07 PM.
What glass coating? You are not talking about the solar film right?
That is applied inside, not outside.
I think they should just adjust the FXT pricing up.. already have more than 2000 units of foresters on the road
Don't like this leh...
I have not bought mine yet. ...
Going to send car for glass coating upon receive it.
I see, those pp2 coating. With that take so long to cure?
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I tend to disagree because i told SE i prefer to get my car after Dec, the longer the better. It is the SE that told me it cant be done. The latest he can allow me to delay is the car must deliver to me by end Dec. So turn out i have to pay extra $ for indent color due to the AD force me to take the car earlier?
Year ending raining season. As my office is open space carpark, Now have to worry How to protect the glass coating on the car before it has been cured, without rain on it
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Take a day leave so car can be parked at home or take publc transport to work.
Take a day leave so car can be parked at home or take publc transport to work.
exactly good idea, after raining season, driving to work ![[thumbsup]](http://www.mycarforum.com/public/style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif)
aiya.. Then quickly go buy laDon't like this leh...
I have not bought mine yet. ...
read from somewhere that after the coating, we need the surface untouched for�a day. Just like after we do filling for teeth, we also need a couple of hr not to eat food, right?
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I see, those pp2 coating. With that take so long to cure?
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What if during that day of coating, it rain?�Request coating shop to let me park there until the rain stop and the floor is free of water before I drive off?
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Take a day leave so car can be parked at home or take publc transport to work.
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Edited by Axela72, 16 November 2015 - 07:21 PM.
read from somewhere that after the coating, we need the surface untouched for�a day. Just like after we do filling for teeth, we also need a couple of hr not to eat food, right?
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What if during that day of coating, it rain?�Request coating shop to let me park there until the rain stop and the floor is free of water before I drive off?
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if you're worried about the coating and cannot wait for glass coat to cure, then just go do sealent and wax first.�
read from somewhere that after the coating, we need the surface untouched for a day. Just like after we do filling for teeth, we also need a couple of hr not to eat food, right?
What if during that day of coating, it rain? Request coating shop to let me park there until the rain stop and the floor is free of water before I drive off?
That's a good idea. You can't control the weather but you can make arrangement to avoid the rain touching your glass coated car. Another way is DIY glass coat. You will be able to do coating in your home sheltered carpark and let it cure before driving out. Btw before you think I may be pulling your leg about DIY, I applied glass coat on my forester myself.
That's a good idea. You can't control the weather but you can make arrangement to avoid the rain touching your glass coated car. Another way is DIY glass coat. You will be able to do coating in your home sheltered carpark and let it cure before driving out. Btw before you think I may be pulling your leg about DIY, I applied glass coat on my forester myself.
That will be very cumbersome right? What if like my house which has an open air carpark? Should have booked earlier to avoid the raining season. Sigh!
Wow, like that siong leh. The car is tall. can't reach the roof w/o stool.
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That's a good idea. You can't control the weather but you can make arrangement to avoid the rain touching your glass coated car. Another way is DIY glass coat. You will be able to do coating in your home sheltered carpark and let it cure before driving out. Btw before you think I may be pulling your leg about DIY, I applied glass coat on my forester myself.
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That's a good idea. You can't control the weather but you can make arrangement to avoid the rain touching your glass coated car. Another way is DIY glass coat. You will be able to do coating in your home sheltered carpark and let it cure before driving out. Btw before you think I may be pulling your leg about DIY, I applied glass coat on my forester myself.
U use pika pika?
Wow, like that siong leh. The car is tall. can't reach the roof w/o stool.
Actually now wash the car also need still liao...LOL
But puiru is right, pika like seemed to be a cheap alternative if you willing to "exercise".
read from somewhere that after the coating, we need the surface untouched for�a day. Just like after we do filling for teeth, we also need a couple of hr not to eat food, right?
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What if during that day of coating, it rain?�Request coating shop to let me park there until the rain stop and the floor is free of water before I drive off?
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depend on the coat... some cure within a few hours, some are cured by an infrared heater by the groomer
Edited by 7hm, 16 November 2015 - 11:22 PM.
I have served my car for 1st 5 years. every week do wash, wax, sealant etc. After 5 yrs I finally wake up. Realized that it�should be�the car that serve me not the other way round ![[laugh]](http://www.mycarforum.com/public/style_emoticons/default/laugh.png)
� Never DIY since then.
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Actually now wash the car also need still liao...LOL
But puiru is right, pika like seemed to be a cheap alternative if you willing to "exercise".
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U use pika pika?
Yup.
Actually now wash the car also need still liao...LOL
But puiru is right, pika like seemed to be a cheap alternative if you willing to "exercise".
Actually I am a car detailing fanatic and love to get my hand dirty. It gives me a strong sense of fulfillment and satisfaction from each detailing work done. Glass coating is something new and it triggered my passion to DIY. Applying glass coating is not difficult. It's the car surface preparation work that's tedious. In return, the satisfaction level was very high and saved some money for other mod.
Wonder why only the 2.0iL increase�by 2k from yesterday pricelist.�
Edited by Axela72, 17 November 2015 - 11:30 AM.
the only way to ensure perfect curing: get the paint detailer to do the PPS coating in a covered car park of your choice, second way is to do DIY the PPS coating yourself at a covered car park of your choice. Third is to find a detailer that has shop area that has big enough space to put your car there fore the next 6-10hours. Actually for Silver that you are choosing, very easy to maintain la.. as long as car is not washed by bangala nightly, should be okread from somewhere that after the coating, we need the surface untouched for a day. Just like after we do filling for teeth, we also need a couple of hr not to eat food, right?
What if during that day of coating, it rain? Request coating shop to let me park there until the rain stop and the floor is free of water before I drive off?
heard it's 2016 March onwards.. but may not have same OMV as now as it's better equipped.. so u may have to adjust your current price level upwards.. still within budget if its at 135-150k at current COE level next year?
at 135-150 range then won't be a value preposition to me.
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at that price point, i would be very tempted by the harrier....
most of foresters buyers are swayed after test drive. Before test drive, Harrier, CRV, Rav4, Xtrail, Sorento rank above the forester turbo. After test drive, the equation kinda changes. It's not just the pricing. Even if Harrier or other makes pricing came down or if foresters adjust pricing upwards.. choices may still be the dameat 135-150 range then won't be a value preposition to me.
at that price point, i would be very tempted by the harrier....
So far 60% city getting like 8.5km/liter hehe
Ordered pika pika to diy, any tips from the bros to share? I read earlier that S or S# may give better Fc, anyone can confirm is which mode? Wanted to try for my new tank to compare.
So far 60% city getting like 8.5km/liter hehe
For pika pika application, make sure the surface is free from wax or other sealent. Some good wax are quite durable. Detegent also cannot dissolve it. Get a bottle of Meguiar Scratch X or Mantis Scratch�Removal�to remove the wax as well as oxidation. You may need to clay the surface if the surface feels rough to touch. Washed with detergent to remove the�Scatch X�and dry. Make sure your dry the edges, gaps, etc. One way is to use a lens blower to force water out from those tiny gaps. Feel the paint�and it should�feel very squeaky clean. But there are�3 very important component for a perfect application.
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1-Bright light or Day light
2-Half dozen of Red bull�
3-Shelter to cure the next 12 hr.
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Wonder why only the 2.0iL increase�by 2k from yesterday pricelist.�
maybe 2.0i selling too good, peoples finally realized 2.0i more valuable than 2.0XT� 
That is why I prefer to do it on new car. can�cut down�the surface preparation step.
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There are 3 kind of Pikarain. Which one has best gloss? Did you also get the Nano spray for 2nd layer?
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For pika pika application, make sure the surface is free from wax or other sealent. Some good wax are quite durable. Detegent also cannot dissolve it. Get a bottle of Meguiar Scratch X or Mantis Scratch�Removal�to remove the wax as well as oxidation. You may need to clay the surface if the surface feels rough to touch. Washed with detergent to remove the�Scatch X�and dry. Make sure your dry the edges, gaps, etc. One way is to use a lens blower to force water out from those tiny gaps. Feel the paint�and it should�feel very squeaky clean. But there are�3 very important component for a perfect application.
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1-Bright light or Day light
2-Half dozen of Red bull�
3-Shelter to cure the next 12 hr.
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Have fun!
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Sure anot or just to made me happy? �Today, finally manage to see a Blue Forester. Guess I made the right color choice by paying extra for indent color.
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Edited by Axela72, 17 November 2015 - 05:57 PM.
For pika pika application, make sure the surface is free from wax or other sealent. Some good wax are quite durable. Detegent also cannot dissolve it. Get a bottle of Meguiar Scratch X or Mantis Scratch Removal to remove the wax as well as oxidation. You may need to clay the surface if the surface feels rough to touch. Washed with detergent to remove the Scatch X and dry. Make sure your dry the edges, gaps, etc. One way is to use a lens blower to force water out from those tiny gaps. Feel the paint and it should feel very squeaky clean. But there are 3 very important component for a perfect application.
1-Bright light or Day light
2-Half dozen of Red bull
3-Shelter to cure the next 12 hr.
Have fun!
Did you dewax first before applying on your new ride?
most of foresters buyers are swayed after test drive. Before test drive, Harrier, CRV, Rav4, Xtrail, Sorento rank above the forester turbo. After test drive, the equation kinda changes. It's not just the pricing. Even if Harrier or other makes pricing came down or if foresters adjust pricing upwards.. choices may still be the dame
That's exactly what happened to me. We started the search process looking at Harrier. However being unable to test drive the car was one major buggeration.. Went through the usual suspects and finally dwell upon forester. Did all the homework before heading down to test drive the xt. There was no turning back after that. As they say, the rest was history... All I can say is, I'm a happy buyer.
and start looking back at those 150k below suv and even if interior is nicer, the driving traits are different... And feels quite sian that you are driving a 130-150k mild car for the next 5-10 years and couldn't convince yourself to commit to the other interior nicer, perceived higher OMV SUV..
That is why I prefer to do it on new car. can�cut down�the surface preparation step.
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There are 3 kind of Pikarain. Which one has best gloss? Did you also get the Nano spray for 2nd layer?
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You still need to prep as MI polished and waxed my ride before handling over to me. I wanted them to polish and not to wax but my SE said cannot be done. Well. Anyway the wax applied by MI was quite durable. It cant be totally remove using mama lemon. So i use scratch x to remove the wax and use mama lemon to wash away the scratch x. Scratch X is a very effective and its contains no abrasive. This process took me 2 hours.
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I got the Premium as its the latest product. Gloss is not my concern as my ride is silver colour. Nano spray is not for layering but maintain the shine and water sheeting/beading of the base coat. I will be working on 2nd layer of pika pika this week since I still have left over.
Did you dewax first before applying on your new ride?
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This is must for pika pika to bond well with the clear coat.
thx, didn't know that the car is waxed�during collection. 2hrs of dewax�will be�a pain in my ass. No point to do it the soonest upon collection then. Maybe wait till before CNY and look for workshop to do the job. Hopefully raining season is over by then.
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You still need to prep as MI polished and waxed my ride before handling over to me. I wanted them to polish and not to wax but my SE said cannot be done. Well. Anyway the wax applied by MI was quite durable. It cant be totally remove using mama lemon. So i use scratch x to remove the wax and use mama lemon to wash away the scratch x. Scratch X is a very effective and its contains no abrasive. This process took me 2 hours.
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I got the Premium as its the latest product. Gloss is not my concern as my ride is silver colour. Nano spray is not for layering but maintain the shine and water sheeting/beading of the base coat. I will be working on 2nd layer of pika pika this week since I still have left over.
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This is must for pika pika to bond well with the clear coat.
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In term of reliability and gloss level, any idea how is the Pikarain fair with this Cosmics glass coating?
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I just realize exactly next to my office workshop�is doing Cosmics glass coating at $488
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Think Pierce (Pikarain detailer) coating at Sin Ming is doing at only $400.
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Thanks for the valuable input. Seem like Cosmics is way to go then if I don't diy
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Good luck booking with the pikapika guys. Long waiting queue and personally feel they like not hard up for my biz. Took my money else were. Personal opinion. Others may have better interactions
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most of foresters buyers are swayed after test drive. Before test drive, Harrier, CRV, Rav4, Xtrail, Sorento rank above the forester turbo. After test drive, the equation kinda changes. It's not just the pricing. Even if Harrier or other makes pricing came down or if foresters adjust pricing upwards.. choices may still be the dame
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I went for a test drive the XT at Leng Kee.
The SA drove up the car to the side with the engine running... first impression for me was that the engine was kinda loud from the outside. Not too sure if there was any sound dampening under the hood or that engine was not warmed up yet.
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Drive wise.. I have to say the power when you need it is definitely there.
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As for pricing, if you can wait.. then wait... if cannot, then just pull the trigger and get the car and enjoy it first. There will always be upgrades/facelifts.�
COE went up again....don't wait any longer... ![[:p]](http://www.mycarforum.com/public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png)
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Yap, mine bidding missed by $2. Another 2 round before next year. Wonder the next 2 round is higher or lower.
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COE went up again....don't wait any longer...
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Yap, mine bidding missed by $2. Another 2 round before next year. Wonder the next 2 round is higher or lower.
Yah, SE just pm me that the next bid will be Dec and nevertheless, the car I indented will only�be arrived�here on Dec.
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Axela72, your car not arrived at Singapore yet right? If you are on guaranteed COE, then MI will sure bid for you when the stock arrive.
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So no worries..
I went for a test drive the XT at Leng Kee.
The SA drove up the car to the side with the engine running... first impression for me was that the engine was kinda loud from the outside. Not too sure if there was any sound dampening under the hood or that engine was not warmed up yet.
Drive wise.. I have to say the power when you need it is definitely there.
As for pricing, if you can wait.. then wait... if cannot, then just pull the trigger and get the car and enjoy it first. There will always be upgrades/facelifts.
Yes it's loud, but not exhaust loud, its Abit like the taxi clicking sound from engine bay.
I reckon its due to the direct injection, kinda like CRDI diesel engines.
At current COE climate, MI so far never fail to bid beyond 3 bids.
So no worries..
Yes it's loud, but not exhaust loud, its Abit like the taxi clicking sound from engine bay.
I reckon its due to the direct injection, kinda like CRDI diesel engines.
Even BMW 4 cylinder engine direct injection also have the same sound. It is normal.
At current COE climate, MI so far never fail to bid beyond 3 bids.
So no worries..
Yes it's loud, but not exhaust loud, its Abit like the taxi clicking sound from engine bay.
I reckon its due to the direct injection, kinda like CRDI diesel engines.
Even BMW 4 cylinder engine direct injection also have the same sound. It is normal.
May I know from most of the discussion/review I read from various forum on Forester, they typically based on XT. Does that mean the N.A, forester has no con�to brag about against its competitor?
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Example, if refer�to the various owner review from sgcarmart, most are�commenting�on XT but not the N.A. I can afford to pay for the XT but, can't accept the FC and the extra care need to take�care for Turbo engine. Wonder did I made the right choice to get the N.A. instead of XT
Edited by Axela72, 19 November 2015 - 11:28 AM.
May I know from most of the discussion/review I read from various forum on Forester, they typically based on XT. Does that mean the N.A, forester has no con�to brag about against its competitor?
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Example, if refer�to the various owner review from sgcarmart, most are�commenting�on XT but not the N.A. I can afford to pay for the XT but, can't accept the FC and the extra care need to take�care for Turbo engine. Wonder did I made the right choice to get the N.A.
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How bad can the FC be?
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How much more TLC requires for Turbo?
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I am driving an European turbo car & i only do normal servicing le.
May I know from most of the discussion/review I read from various forum on Forester, they typically based on XT. Does that mean the N.A, forester has no con�to brag about against its competitor?
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Example, if refer�to the various owner review from sgcarmart, most are�commenting�on XT but not the N.A. I can afford to pay for the XT but, can't accept the FC and the extra care need to take�care for Turbo engine. Wonder did I made the right choice to get the N.A. instead of XT
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Hahaha... You having car buying withdrawal symtoms or having cold feet after signing on the dotted line? LOL.
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Sgcarmart have a 2 review articles on the Forester 2.0i-L. Good reviews for the�Forester coming from those expert reviewers. Go search the articles as follows:
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Comparison - Nissan X-Trail 2.0 Premium 7-seater (A) & Subaru Forester 2.0i-L (A)
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Comparison - Tucson 2.0 (A) & Forester 2.0i-L (A) & RAV4 2.0 Premium (A)
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Convinced now?�
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If power is not your priority, but more focus on costs; plus have a�light-footed driving pattern, then the Premium is�a good choice. FC avg 11,6 Km/L based on actual usage...
ty., but those link is not review from user lei. Got link to user one anot?
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Hahaha... You having car buying withdrawal symtoms or having cold feet after signing on the dotted line? LOL.
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Sgcarmart have a 2 review articles on the Forester 2.0i-L. Good reviews for the�Forester coming from those expert reviewers. Go search the articles as follows:
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Comparison - Nissan X-Trail 2.0 Premium 7-seater (A) & Subaru Forester 2.0i-L (A)
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Comparison - Tucson 2.0 (A) & Forester 2.0i-L (A) & RAV4 2.0 Premium (A)
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Convinced now?�
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If power is not your priority, but more focus on costs; plus have a�light-footed driving pattern, then the Premium is�a good choice. FC avg 11,6 Km/L based on actual usage...
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ty., but those link is not review from user lei. Got link to user one anot?
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Bingo!��I took possession of my white forester premium�in early Aug.� No time to write reviews. Been busy on the roads daily�with the car chalking up mileage. Very fun car to drive I must say.� Exceeded me and my wife's expectations.�FC avg 11.6 km/l. The experts' and XT users' reviews on Forester are very true and spot on. What you want to know about the car?
Jus curious about the Forester XT's lineartronic CVT gearbox, from MI website, so its actually a 8-speeder?
Meaning the Legacy�lineartronic CVT gearbox also the same or its a normal 6 speeder CVT?........ since both XT and Legacy do have SI drive
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Jus curious about the Forester XT's lineartronic CVT gearbox, from MI website, so its actually a 8-speeder?
Meaning the Legacy lineartronic CVT gearbox also the same or its a normal 6 speeder CVT?........ since both XT and Legacy do have SI drive
Not sure about the number of gears but legacy SI is only S mode or I mode. XT has I mode, S mode n S# mode
May I know from most of the discussion/review I read from various forum on Forester, they typically based on XT. Does that mean the N.A, forester has no con�to brag about against its competitor?
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Example, if refer�to the various owner review from sgcarmart, most are�commenting�on XT but not the N.A. I can afford to pay for the XT but, can't accept the FC and the extra care need to take�care for Turbo engine. Wonder did I made the right choice to get the N.A. instead of XT
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Can you still change without penalty? Anyway going by your track record here at MCF, this bout of buyer remorse or wishy-washy griping isn't the first and won't be the last from you.
Jus curious about the Forester XT's lineartronic CVT gearbox, from MI website, so its actually a 8-speeder?
Meaning the Legacy�lineartronic CVT gearbox also the same or its a normal 6 speeder CVT?........ since both XT and Legacy do have SI drive
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It's all virtual gears in software form-- no real fixed gears inside the CVT box.
thought�XT is virtual 8 speed while the N.A. is 6.
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Jus curious about the Forester XT's lineartronic CVT gearbox, from MI website, so its actually a 8-speeder?
Meaning the Legacy�lineartronic CVT gearbox also the same or its a normal 6 speeder CVT?........ since both XT and Legacy do have SI drive
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Edited by Axela72, 19 November 2015 - 03:03 PM.
No idea but can check with SE if necessary. The last time I bought my previous ride also change the contract after a few days. Guess I am flipping minded
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Can you still change without penalty? Anyway going by your track record here at MCF, this bout of buyer remorse or wishy-washy griping isn't the first and won't be the last from you.
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Can you still change without penalty? Anyway going by your track record here at MCF, this bout of buyer remorse or wishy-washy griping isn't the first and won't be the last from you.
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It's all virtual gears in software form-- no real fixed gears inside the CVT box.
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I will come in and add some salt and vineger
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If you go sgcarmart and search a bit, you will find that the XTs sell quickly, while the non-XTs usually get stuck for longer
thought�XT is virtual 8 speed while the N.A. is 6.
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XT has 6 speeds in S mode and 8 speeds in S# mode.
XT has 6 speeds in S mode and 8 speeds in S# mode.
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Thanks for the advice�
So even the�virtual gears in software form for the lineartronic, the numbers of virtual gears still max at 6 for legacy, XT(except in S# mode where it will max at 8 for XT) right......
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Just let go my hawkeye sti, so used to the manual 6 speed, now come to the new age technology.....I like just came from caveman time man... :p
Jus curious about the Forester XT's lineartronic CVT gearbox, from MI website, so its actually a 8-speeder?
Meaning the Legacy�lineartronic CVT gearbox also the same or its a normal 6 speeder CVT?........ since both XT and Legacy do have SI drive
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if i'm not wrong, the 2.0i NA model's SI Drive don't offer Sport#, so it doesn't have access to the virtual 8-speed mode, only the 6-speed mode.
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but since it's a CVT, it normally has no 'speeds', but since sporty-type people supposedly like the sensation of gear-swapping, it emulates the sensation of shifting between speeds in that mode rather than seamless power delivery.
Edited by 7hm, 19 November 2015 - 03:34 PM.
No idea but can check with SE if necessary. The last time I bought my previous ride also change the contract after a few days. Guess I am flipping minded
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hahaha.. you flipped all over the place before deciding on a car. After signed on the dot, you are still flipping????? You will have an entry in the guinness book of record soon.
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Don't make life difficult for yourself lar. Once signed, don't look back, look forward to your new car.
haha, that is me. 10 years ago like that, 10 years later still the same.
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What about you? Have you gotten your ride?
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hahaha.. you flipped all over the place before deciding on a car. After signed on the dot, you are still flipping????? You will have an entry in the guinness book of record soon.
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Don't make life difficult for yourself lar. Once signed, don't look back, look forward to your new car.
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Thanks for the advice�
So even the�virtual gears in software form for the lineartronic, the numbers of virtual gears still max at 6 for legacy, XT(except in S# mode where it will max at 8 for XT) right......
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Just let go my hawkeye sti, so used to the manual 6 speed, now come to the new age technology.....I like just came from caveman time man... :p
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I gave up Honda 6 speed manual for an older 4 speed auto!!! Big change but current car is meant to be a bridging car or appliance until the COEs come down or COE expiry for this car...
haha, that is me. 10 years ago like that, 10 years later still the same.
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What about you? Have you gotten your ride?
Yupe got the XT.
haha, that is me. 10 years ago like that, 10 years later still the same.
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What about you? Have you gotten your ride?
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Just get XT if you can affort it and there is no or minimal panalty to upgrade. At least for XT you are unlikely to regret as you have got the top tier of Forester.
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FC wise is really depending on your right foot and your routes, some bro can get the 13km/l from XT, which is really not too bad!
oic, I remember you choose car base on on value for money, so in your opinion XT is more value for money than it's N.A. then?
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Yupe got the XT.
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If you do some reading, CVT has no fixed step.
It is always in a gear ratio rang, eg, 4.5-0.38.
If I am correct, the gear will vary between these range, varying between say a cone shape to adjust the engine speed, normally in optimum range for the engine to cruise or accelerate.
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If you study the specification sheet, the so called "8 speed" has pre-determined ratio to jump between lower or higher gear, emulating an 8 speeder or 6 speeder depending on mode you chosen.
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I have tried this lineartronic CVT and reckon it is by far the most smooth CVT with power ever driven by me.
Too bad, I chose a MPV or my fav FXT which I told my wife I kinda "regretted" not getting a FXT though the MPV has adequate power too.
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Jus curious about the Forester XT's lineartronic CVT gearbox, from MI website, so its actually a 8-speeder?
Meaning the Legacy�lineartronic CVT gearbox also the same or its a normal 6 speeder CVT?........ since both XT and Legacy do have SI drive
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oic, I remember you choose car base on on value for money, so in your opinion XT is more value for money than it's N.A. then?
Yeah, where else can you get a car with 240 horse power, electronic tailgate, sun roof, touch screen HU, great drive�at 126K.
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Of course it cannot fulfill all my criteria but you have to decide on what you want. Like some bro's good advice here, there is no perfect car. Even if there is, it might be out of our budget. So, got to give and take...
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Of course NA is also value for money. VALUE�depends on individual perception. What I consider as value to me might not be value to you. Some bros here are not interested in the power and can live with a manual tailgate so to them NA is damn freaking value for money too.
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So I suggest you not to ask too much around and then get yourself swayed especially after you have signed.�What we can offer is our point of view, they might be different from your point of view.�Have some confidence in your own choice man..... Cheers
Bingo!��I took possession of my white forester premium�in early Aug.� No time to write reviews. Been busy on the roads daily�with the car chalking up mileage. Very fun car to drive I must say.� Exceeded me and my wife's expectations.�FC avg 11.6 km/l. The experts' and XT users' reviews on Forester are very true and spot on. What you want to know about the car?
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what additional items did u add to the ride ?
window visor ?
boot tray ?
etc ?
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thx for the enlightenment again. Yes, what you have mentioned like electronic tailgate, sunroof etc is not important to me. The extra power is good to have�but is only consider as a bonus to me. The only thing that I can think of which is very valuable to me is the better sound systems from XT but at the expense of poorer FC & reliability. Never test drive the XT so no idea whether it is a much better drive car then the N,.A.
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Yeah, where else can you get a car with 240 horse power, electronic tailgate, sun roof, touch screen HU, great drive�at 126K.
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Of course it cannot fulfill all my criteria but you have to decide on what you want. Like some bro's good advice here, there is no perfect car. Even if there is, it might be out of our budget. So, got to give and take...
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Of course NA is also value for money. VALUE�depends on individual perception. What I consider as value to me might not be value to you. Some bros here are not interested in the power and can live with a manual tailgate so to them NA is damn freaking value for money too.
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So I suggest you not to ask too much around and then get yourself swayed especially after you have signed.�What we can offer is our point of view, they might be different from your point of view.�Have some confidence in your own choice man..... Cheers
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thx for the enlightenment again. Yes, what you have mentioned like electronic tailgate, sunroof etc is not important to me. The extra power is good to have�but is only consider as a bonus to me. The only thing that I can think of which is very valuable to me is the better sound systems from XT but at the expense of poorer FC & reliability. Never test drive the XT so no idea whether it is a much better drive car then the N,.A.
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i have tested the 12 speaker vs 6 speaker, yes there is a significant difference between the two.
Though the LFE is only slightly above average.
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This is also one of the points that i considered betw both models.
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thx for the enlightenment again. Yes, what you have mentioned like electronic tailgate, sunroof etc is not important to me. The extra power is good to have�but is only consider as a bonus to me. The only thing that I can think of which is very valuable to me is the better sound systems from XT but at the expense of poorer FC & reliability. Never test drive the XT so no idea whether it is a much better drive car then the N,.A.
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You didnt test drive XT before commited to by NA? Now you feel that NA is not a "clever" buy cos no owner talking about it? Sigh.
Anyway I am a NA owner and�never regret getting it. I cant brag much on the NA as it dont have 350Nm of torque, 9-speakers, 18" rims, effortless open/close tailgate.�But it get better FC and a less jarring ride.
I just changed the stock Bridgestone Dueler 18" HL400 out.. and paid $310 per tyre for a set of Continental. The 17" cost $200 or less
Another good feature on the NA is the 17" tyres.. the rubber for this size is much much cheaper.
I just changed the stock Bridgestone Dueler 18" HL400 out.. and paid $310 per tyre for a set of Continental. The 17" cost $200 or less
Yah that's another reason why I got NA. Basically I just need a SUV that is spacious with sufficient punch in performance. The bell and whistle are not my priority. No choice as I am the sole bread winner in my family. Axela72, you should have your own priorities too.
Yeah, where else can you get a car with 240 horse power, electronic tailgate, sun roof, touch screen HU, great drive�at 126K.
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the next ride with all of that is the Mondeo hatch, but that was 25k more. But of course, it came with a lot more than Forester.
The only thing that I can think of which is very valuable to me is the better sound systems from XT but at the expense of poorer FC & reliability. Never test drive the XT so no idea whether it is a much better drive car then the N,.A.
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You really seem a bit prejudiced against turbo reliability...
Hi axela, seeing how troubled you are even after booking the car. let me put things in another perspective:
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you signed on the dotted line with ms forester. she's not as pretty as ms tucson or ms qashqai, or as elegant as ms picasso. She's the GND that appealed to you: low maintenance, provides you with a sense of security and reliability and you feel comfortable around her. 100% wife material.
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forester's twin sister Ms xt has a better HK voice, and her bigger bhp and torque means she's better at making you high. you want to call the bride agency MI and ask for a switch.�but she's higher maintenance, more showy and really popular around guys. and you worry about her turbo breaking when you press her. hard.�
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but wait. ms forester xt 2016/17 is about to appear and she has brighter (all LED) headlamps!!! you will feel cheated if you didn't get the latest and newest. but she won't come cheap.
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May I know from most of the discussion/review I read from various forum on Forester, they typically based on XT. Does that mean the N.A, forester has no con�to brag about against its competitor?
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Example, if refer�to the various owner review from sgcarmart, most are�commenting�on XT but not the N.A. I can afford to pay for the XT but, can't accept the FC and the extra care need to take�care for Turbo engine. Wonder did I made the right choice to get the N.A. instead of XT
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Honestly bro, there's little between the 3 sisters that you wouldn't notice if you didn't know them personally. To others, a forester is a forester. is a forester�
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if you feel the need for a high, you can take ms bmw z4 or ms SLK out for a day. Or if the wallet allows, a night with ms ferrari and ms carrera (from the now-defunct tiananmen ktv) will surely be unforgettable. when the adrenalin rush is over, ms forester is at home waiting on you. In an expensive society as ours, we balance needs and wants with the wallet and our sense of guilt.
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It doesn't matter how good she is, one will never satisfy. As with many men, they move on to newer prettier things when they get richer.�
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� probably that is�one of the�reason why there are so many divorce cases.
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Hi axela, seeing how troubled you are even after booking the car. let me put things in another perspective:
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you signed on the dotted line with ms forester. she's not as pretty as ms tucson or ms qashqai, or as elegant as ms picasso. She's the GND that appealed to you: low maintenance, provides you with a sense of security and reliability and you feel comfortable around her. 100% wife material.
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forester's twin sister Ms xt has a better HK voice, and her bigger bhp and torque means she's better at making you high. you want to call the bride agency MI and ask for a switch.�but she's higher maintenance, more showy and really popular around guys. and you worry about her turbo breaking when you press her. hard.�
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but wait. ms forester xt 2016/17 is about to appear and she has brighter (all LED) headlamps!!! you will feel cheated if you didn't get the latest and newest. but she won't come cheap.
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Honestly bro, there's little between the 3 sisters that you wouldn't notice if you didn't know them personally. To others, a forester is a forester. is a forester�
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if you feel the need for a high, you can take ms bmw z4 or ms SLK out for a day. Or if the wallet allows, a night with ms ferrari and ms carrera (from the now-defunct tiananmen ktv) will surely be unforgettable. when the adrenalin rush is over, ms forester is at home waiting on you. In an expensive society as ours, we balance needs and wants with the wallet and our sense of guilt.
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It doesn't matter how good she is, one will never satisfy. As with many men, they move on to newer prettier things when they get richer.�
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You didnt test drive XT before commited to by NA? Now you feel that NA is not a "clever" buy cos no owner talking about it? Sigh.
Anyway I am a NA owner and never regret getting it. I cant brag much on the NA as it dont have 350Nm of torque, 9-speakers, 18" rims, effortless open/close tailgate. But it get better FC and a less jarring ride.
Yes, Axela if Comfort is you priority, stick to NA. The XT's suspension is sports tuned so can be a bit bumpy, esp the rear seats and during long distances. The 17" fatter tyres of the NA helped in comfort too.
In terms of power, I don't think its fair to compare turbo with NA. The difference is always there.
But if you tried the Nissan Xtrail 2.0 NA, you will realize the Forester NA is indeed more powerful and better drive.
Based on your requirements I feel NA is good enough for you, you might regret FXT due to FC.
Hertz DSK165.3
http://www.hertzaudi...dieci-dsk165_3/
This 2 way speaker give a very clear and warm high note that sounds best for vocal based, jazz, pop and new age music.
However if you into noisy music like metal, grunge or techno, this may not suit you.
The speakers shouldn't back you back more than 250.
tyvm, but this may void warranty.�Hopefully,�MI has similar choice like�TC where we can purchase subwoofer from AD�to installed into the car. Nissan subwoofer cost only $270 from their pricelist.
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Adding to that, if you are looking for a good set of speakers to replace your stock speakers, I help you do homework and recommend the following:
Hertz DSK165.3
http://www.hertzaudi...dieci-dsk165_3/
This 2 way speaker give a very clear and warm high note that sounds best for vocal based, jazz, pop and new age music.
However if you into noisy music like metal, grunge or techno, this may not suit you.
The speakers shouldn't back you back more than 250.
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I tested the NA model first, felt the drive is adequate, powerful enough but it was really really noisy. It felt like we are hearing even the noise of the engine in the rear seats.
Then I tested the XT, which was much quieter even thou with turbo. It felt quite refined actually as compared to NA.
When questioned, the SE said the consultation on the XT is much better and such so the noise level was much better in the XT.
Up till now I'm still not sure if the SE was bulls**tting me anot. Ha-ha but if based on that test drive, I would choose the XT if I did not decide on other cars.
The stock speakers are 180watt and I find it reproduces what you have mentioned. The clarion head unit allows manual EQ adjustment for individual preferences too. I am re-enjoying my collection of classic song with my daily drive. Adding a woofer is not required actually. This car may looks tasteless but it has good substance beneath.Adding to that, if you are looking for a good set of speakers to replace your stock speakers, I help you do homework and recommend the following:
Hertz DSK165.3
http://www.hertzaudi...dieci-dsk165_3/
This 2 way speaker give a very clear and warm high note that sounds best for vocal based, jazz, pop and new age music.
However if you into noisy music like metal, grunge or techno, this may not suit you.
The speakers shouldn't back you back more than 250.
Edited by Puiru, 19 November 2015 - 11:52 PM.
With the discussions about the NA and the Turbo, let me share my test drive experience.
I tested the NA model first, felt the drive is adequate, powerful enough but it was really really noisy. It felt like we are hearing even the noise of the engine in the rear seats.
Then I tested the XT, which was much quieter even thou with turbo. It felt quite refined actually as compared to NA.
When questioned, the SE said the consultation on the XT is much better and such so the noise level was much better in the XT.
Up till now I'm still not sure if the SE was bulls**tting me anot. Ha-ha but if based on that test drive, I would choose the XT if I did not decide on other cars.
Maybe during test drive we tends to push the rpm higher to get the feel of the engine performance. XT engine doesn't need to be push unlike NA engine.
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