Barca president still want to be sarcastic saying financial prudence meant they couldn't sign Nolito, talk cxxk!! Either they don't want him or he turned them down I guess.
http://www.express.c...transfer-latest
Neymar extending. So actually might not need to buy another attacker.
Confirmed: Neymar signed a 5 year extension to stay at Barcelona till 2021. Release clause at �200m, rising to �250m in the third year.Neymar extending. So actually might not need to buy another attacker.
Just need Benteke to complete the window
Manchester City have confirmed the signing of Spanish international Nolito from Celta Vigo
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Confirmed: Neymar signed a 5 year extension to stay at Barcelona till 2021. Release clause at �200m, rising to �250m in the third year.
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there is only one king and he is not a hooligan or scum.
Believed to be �25m. Pool wants �30m.
Bad news for Everton - John Stones wants to leave, holding for �50m from ManCity
Good news for Everton - bidding �30m for Axel Witsel.
Bad news for Everton - John Stones wants to leave, holding for �50m from ManCity
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Eye catching B2B when he was in Benfica partnering Matic. Then took a chance and moved to Zenit. I think this move didn't really work well for him and hence you hear his name mentioned during windows as his agent is working hard :)every off season, this Witsel name sure to come up, but good meh ? saw him during this Euro, nothing special. Don't know what his role was.
Good player but for one entering last year of contract, �30m seems a little high
Well...if a club willing to pay 42m for a player with 1 yr left, y not 30m?Eye catching B2B when he was in Benfica partnering Matic. Then took a chance and moved to Zenit. I think this move didn't really work well for him and hence you hear his name mentioned during windows as his agent is working hard :)
Good player but for one entering last year of contract, £30m seems a little high
there is only one king and he is not a hooligan or scum.
And he doesn't know karate kick too
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From mirror online:
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Something in life are certain: Death, Tax and Ah Seng not signing a decent strker.
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Gunner fans agreed and took it to social media:
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Chelsea - Batschuayi 
Man Utd - Ibrahimovic
Liverpool - Mane
ManCity - Nolito
Arsenal - Japaneese guy 
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every off season, this Witsel name sure to come up, but good meh ? saw him during this Euro, nothing special. Don't know what his role was.
I can't comment much on him cos I've not seen enough but from what I read n hear, he is being told to play alongside Naingolaan as the 2 players shielding the back 4 for the National team though he is more comfortable playing further up. An all round midfielder I'm reading so maybe we not seeing his true Colours at the Euros.
Great signing !!
A reunion with his old manager about a decade back. Good for him.Juan Mata has been spotted on Merseyside ahead of finalising £30M move to Everton from Man Utd
Great signing !!
Mkhitaryan is almost done....
Just lacking the official news...
Strengthening for UCL. Insisting Mendy is not a replacement for Kante
Juan Mata has been spotted on Merseyside ahead of finalising �30M move to Everton from Man Utd
Great signing !!
Bro, u joking or serious? Didn't see this coming if true.
BTW, what's the latest on Kante? Seems so many teams after him. Reading it's Chelsea but some other sources quoting other clubs?
Leicester City have signed Nampalys Mendy from Ligue 1 club Nice on a 4 year deal.
Strengthening for UCL. Insisting Mendy is not a replacement for Kante
Ahmed Musa is set for a medical at Leicester City next week. Will cost around �16m.
Bro, u joking or serious? Didn't see this coming if true.
BTW, what's the latest on Kante? Seems so many teams after him. Reading it's Chelsea but some other sources quoting other clubs?
Everton really want him. But whether the transfer is really that close, I am not sure.
Kante only heard back then PSG eyeing him but seems no longer the case. Let's see if any of the rumoured interested clubs make any move then.
From mirror online:
Something in life are certain: Death, Tax and Ah Seng not signing a decent strker.
Gunner fans agreed and took it to social media:
Chelsea - Batschuayi
Man Utd - Ibrahimovic
Liverpool - Mane
ManCity - Nolito
Arsenal - Japaneese guy
8:08 PM - 1 Jul 2016
Hehe finally I know who you are referring to
OFFICIAL: Arsenal have agreed a deal with Sanfrecce Hiroshima for the signing of Takuma Asano.
The manager finally realised the league he came from have many gems !! :)Hehe finally I know who you are referring to
OFFICIAL: Arsenal have agreed a deal with Sanfrecce Hiroshima for the signing of Takuma Asano.
Apparently Klopp has not given up and his rejection of contract extension might have soften BMG's stance
Dahoud is still ON!!
Apparently Klopp has not given up and his rejection of contract extension might have soften BMG's stance
Hope Mahmoud Dahoud signs for Pool. Really good catch if he agree to join.
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how come no teams looking at�Wales striker�Robson-Kanu?
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Can be a racist dumb scum then... lol
So EPL awaits the arrival of Antonio Conte whose reputation has been enhanced at the Euros.
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His preferred 3-5-2 formation is interesting. Years back Glenn Hoddle introduced this to the English League and the English couldn't except this as they were too ingrained into a back 4. Hoddle was too revolutionary for his own good though he proved himself to be a good coach and went on to manage the National team.
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Provided you get the right personnel, there are merits in this system. you get a front 2 which keeps the opposing defenders busy and most strikers prefer working with a partner anyway. You still get 5 in MF so won't be overrun and your back 3 will likely be busy with only the opposing 1 striker anyway so seems a good system.
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Surprisingly, Wales uses this system as well and what was even more interesting, the Germans changed to this system for the match vs Italy to match like for like! Will it work in EPL? I don't know but I await to see what Conte does at Chelsea cos I'm not sure if Terry and Cahill are the types of back 3 CBs Conte would require. Anyway, always nice to see different ideas being tried out.
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Can be a racist dumb scum then... lol
You might want to reflect on how SAF supported Cantona after that incident.
KD merely given support to his player whom we all know of the "love" he received from the English media.
Don't think I want to go into that incident again but I fully understand why KD did it. Right or wrong, up to individual. He is definitely not racist nor dumb.
So EPL awaits the arrival of Antonio Conte whose reputation has been enhanced at the Euros.
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His preferred 3-5-2 formation is interesting. Years back Glenn Hoddle introduced this to the English League and the English couldn't except this as they were too ingrained into a back 4. Hoddle was too revolutionary for his own good though he proved himself to be a good coach and went on to manage the National team.
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Provided you get the right personnel, there are merits in this system. you get a front 2 which keeps the opposing defenders busy and most strikers prefer working with a partner anyway. You still get 5 in MF so won't be overrun and your back 3 will likely be busy with only the opposing 1 striker anyway so seems a good system.
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Surprisingly, Wales uses this system as well and what was even more interesting, the Germans changed to this system for the match vs Italy to match like for like! Will it work in EPL? I don't know but I await to see what Conte does at Chelsea cos I'm not sure if Terry and Cahill are the types of back 3 CBs Conte would require. Anyway, always nice to see different ideas being tried out.
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Roy Evans also used 3-5-2 formation in the mid 90s
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wingbacks must track back to defend.
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Roy Evans also used 3-5-2 formation in the mid 90s
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For Italy, Bonucci is very comfortable on the ball and is a good passer as well but I don't think any of the Wales back 3 is comfortable on the ball though. WIngbacks always need to work their socks off in most modern formations but agreed maybe more so in a 3-5-2 formation.
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The English are resistant to change so it will take a brave coach to get a club side to adopt this formation which is not new but not used universally.
So EPL awaits the arrival of Antonio Conte whose reputation has been enhanced at the Euros.
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His preferred 3-5-2 formation is interesting. Years back Glenn Hoddle introduced this to the English League and the English couldn't except this as they were too ingrained into a back 4. Hoddle was too revolutionary for his own good though he proved himself to be a good coach and went on to manage the National team.
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Provided you get the right personnel, there are merits in this system. you get a front 2 which keeps the opposing defenders busy and most strikers prefer working with a partner anyway. You still get 5 in MF so won't be overrun and your back 3 will likely be busy with only the opposing 1 striker anyway so seems a good system.
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Surprisingly, Wales uses this system as well and what was even more interesting, the Germans changed to this system for the match vs Italy to match like for like! Will it work in EPL? I don't know but I await to see what Conte does at Chelsea cos I'm not sure if Terry and Cahill are the types of back 3 CBs Conte would require. Anyway, always nice to see different ideas being tried out.
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My view on why this system is no longer popular is due to the lost art of sweeper. In the most ideal set up, the back 3 should comprise a sweeper and 2 stoppers. The sweeper not just the last man but also expected to bring the ball forward in an offensive transition from the back. Else, the only way is to go long or utilise the wing backs. Also, with 3 at the back, it will always be tough to break down the opponents unless you can transit very fast in counters.So EPL awaits the arrival of Antonio Conte whose reputation has been enhanced at the Euros.
His preferred 3-5-2 formation is interesting. Years back Glenn Hoddle introduced this to the English League and the English couldn't except this as they were too ingrained into a back 4. Hoddle was too revolutionary for his own good though he proved himself to be a good coach and went on to manage the National team.
Provided you get the right personnel, there are merits in this system. you get a front 2 which keeps the opposing defenders busy and most strikers prefer working with a partner anyway. You still get 5 in MF so won't be overrun and your back 3 will likely be busy with only the opposing 1 striker anyway so seems a good system.
Surprisingly, Wales uses this system as well and what was even more interesting, the Germans changed to this system for the match vs Italy to match like for like! Will it work in EPL? I don't know but I await to see what Conte does at Chelsea cos I'm not sure if Terry and Cahill are the types of back 3 CBs Conte would require. Anyway, always nice to see different ideas being tried out.
If you guys got any comments, pls feel free to contribute.
3 v 1 no doubt will offer defensive solidarity but most opponents will try to exploit with pace on the wings or using of false 9. The CBs are usually not fast and will hate being taken on 1 v 1 with a winger when being dragged wide. Playing a false 9 against such a system is better as you leave the 3 CBs virtually no one to mark
The central CB will have to be experience enough to make the call on when to track the F9 and when to just let him roam. Conte rumoured to wanting Bonucci. If he wants to implement a 3-CB system, he probably will need to have the central one at least who knows how to operate in it. To get a defensive central pair working together as a unit is already tough. So imagine you are trying to have 3 working together.
Like I always said, there is no perfect formation or system. What you need to assess is how suited are your players and how easy your opponents can exploit the weakness in that system.
Anyway, there are slight difference in how Germany setup to counter Italy. Same back 3 but they use a 3-4-2-1 with Ozil as a False 9 with Muller and Gomez in support. Italy using 3-5-2
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For Italy, Bonucci is very comfortable on the ball and is a good passer as well but I don't think any of the Wales back 3 is comfortable on the ball though. WIngbacks always need to work their socks off in most modern formations but agreed maybe more so in a 3-5-2 formation.
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The English are resistant to change so it will take a brave coach to get a club side to adopt this formation which is not new but not used universally.
This 3-5-2 fromation is nothing new. They key to success of this fomation is whether the back 3 are reliable and able to react against fast breaks from the opposite side.
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I remember Rafa Benitez and later BR use this system on-off with mixed results at Anfield. The most memorable event of this 3-5-2 thingy was that under BR where Stevie G slip and resulted in the painful loss against Chelsea in April 2014.
This system will be great if used intelligently but sometimes it can be a exploitable weakness.
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Van Gaal also used this playing system with Netherlands during the 2014 world cup in Brazil with reasonable success.
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I can foresee that Chelsea under Conte will be using this sytem with great regularity.
This 3-5-2 fromation is nothing new. They key to success of this fomation is whether the back 3 are reliable and able to react against fast breaks from the opposite side.
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I remember Rafa Benitez and later BR use this system on-off with mixed results at Anfield. The most memorable event of this 3-5-2 thingy was that under BR where Stevie G slip and resulted in the painful loss against Chelsea in April 2014.
This system will be great if used intelligently but sometimes it can be a exploitable weakness.
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Van Gaal also used this playing system with Netherlands during the 2014 world cup in Brazil with reasonable success.
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I can foresee that Chelsea under Conte will be using this sytem with great regularity.
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3.5.2 is more attack mode then 5.3.2
I remember Rafa Benitez and later BR use this system on-off with mixed results at Anfield. The most memorable event of this 3-5-2 thingy was that under BR where Stevie G slip and resulted in the painful loss against Chelsea in April 2014.
I think that game was Gerrard playing as the registra. It was a flat back 4 iirc. Skrtel and Sakho the two CBs
Juan Mata has been spotted on Merseyside ahead of finalising �30M move to Everton from Man Utd
Great signing !!
Was excited from the earlier part of the sentence....but...
Why Everton? Why not Liverpool??!!
My view on why this system is no longer popular is due to the lost art of sweeper. In the most ideal set up, the back 3 should comprise a sweeper and 2 stoppers. The sweeper not just the last man but also expected to bring the ball forward in an offensive transition from the back. Else, the only way is to go long or utilise the wing backs. Also, with 3 at the back, it will always be tough to break down the opponents unless you can transit very fast in counters.
3 v 1 no doubt will offer defensive solidarity but most opponents will try to exploit with pace on the wings or using of false 9. The CBs are usually not fast and will hate being taken on 1 v 1 with a winger when being dragged wide. Playing a false 9 against such a system is better as you leave the 3 CBs virtually no one to mark
Conte rumoured to wanting Bonucci. If he wants to implement a 3-CB system, he probably will need to have the central one at least who knows how to operate in it. To get a defensive central pair working together as a unit is already tough. So imagine you are trying to have 3 working together.
Like I always said, there is no perfect formation or system. What you need to assess is how suited are your players and how easy your opponents can exploit the weakness in that system.
Anyway, there are slight difference in how Germany setup to counter Italy. Same back 3 but they use a 3-4-2-1 with Ozil as a False 9 with Muller and Gomez in support. Italy using 3-5-2
Quite detailed info.
Yes. 352 is not new in BPL. Liverpool used it to very good effect under Bendan Rodgers. However, at that time they had Suarez, healthy Sturridge and good attitude Sterling in Attack.
So opponents were so busy defending, that they couldn't attack.
Also, the wingbacks were wonderful!
Hope Conte can bring some players who are effective in these areas.
Then we'll really have a scary looking team!
Go Conte! Go Chelsea!
Was excited from the earlier part of the sentence....but...
Why Everton? Why not Liverpool??!!
Man U player coming directly to Liverpool? Unlikely.
Also don't think he suits Klopp's style.
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After five months of reading his name and seeing his face and thinking about his medals, the day has finally arrived when Manchester City fans can reach out and touch Pep Guardiola. The stubbly Spanish genius will be officially unveiled by the club today, and if the Sunday Mirror is to be believed he is planning on making quite the entrance.
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Having already sanctioning the relatively low-key signings of Nolito and Ilkay Gundogan, the tabloid reports that Pep is poised to ramp things up in a rather big way by spending a combined total of �158m on Luis Suarez and Toni Kroos.
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Barcelona forward Suarez is apparently �open to the �85m move� on the condition that he can �persuade his wife and family to leave Spain�. For Manchester. Could be a tough sell. He�d probably also prefer it if City were anywhere near as good at football as Barcelona are.
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Not to be outdone, Manchester United are prepared to complete the worst piece of business in football history by spending a world record fee of �100m on Paul Pogba, four years after they let him go for nothing.
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Also, Witsel is not on Pool's wanted list as far as I know.
Also, Witsel is not on Pool's wanted list as far as I know.
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Not surprise at all.
Torres worth 50m many many year back.. 
With all the inflation, bigger transfer fee and his goal rate, 85m is way way too cheap liao lo
Was excited from the earlier part of the sentence....but...
Why Everton? Why not Liverpool??!!
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After the initial bid was rejected, Pool have now matched Napoli's bid of �14m but still get rejected.
Few speculations:
1) Udinese looking at higher upfront payment;
2) Napoli offered a player, Zuniga as part of the deal. He will be loan to Watford once sign by Undinese;
3) Napoli unhappy about Klopp's public courting of the player and Zielinski public display of disrespect by wearing the Liverpool jersey.
This one is turning into a bigger soap opera than Gotze's
4th signing for Jose
Udinese is making it difficult for Klopp to get Zielinski.
After the initial bid was rejected, Pool have now matched Napoli's bid of �14m but still get rejected.
Few speculations:
1) Udinese looking at higher upfront payment;
2) Napoli offered a player, Zuniga as part of the deal. He will be loan to Watford once sign by Undinese;
3) Napoli unhappy about Klopp's public courting of the player and Zielinski public display of disrespect by wearing the Liverpool jersey.
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I wonder is the script prepared for him regardless of which club he joins. Playing for Man City? Ok Pep.
Pachuca forward Hirving Lozano will join Manchester United after the Olympics. (MEN)
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This is a good buy..
Hopefully he wont turn out to be another Depay
If there's a transfer, i think Liverpool might get some of this.Luis Suarez is worth £85m ............
This is a good buy..
Hopefully he wont turn out to be another Depay
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Wondering why the media reports that 29 years old Argentinian Gabriel Mercado is being targetted by Liverpool's Klopp?
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That's good if true. End the drama
Wondering why the media reports that 29 years old Argentinian Gabriel Mercado is being targetted by Liverpool's Klopp?
Is he that good as a CB or RB?
Not sure whether there is a truth in this. Don't think he can get a work permit though.
Never heard of the player nor the club.
Oleksandr Zinchenko joins Manchester City from FC Ufa
Never heard of the player nor the club.
Yah me too, never heard of Manchester city before
The timing is strange even if true
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Hopefully this one can resolve fast.
According to Guardian, base bid only �27m. Addons rising to �31.5m
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Crystal Palace to raise bid for Liverpool�s Christian Benteke to record �31.5m.
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Crystal Palace to raise bid for Liverpool�s Christian Benteke to record �31.5m.
https://www.theguard...nteke-liverpool
�60m spent on a Belgium sub over 2 summers.
Pool spent �1m to relegate Villa.
Pep: "I have to know my players. Hug them - kick their a***! One of my dreams was to play here as a footballer. Now my dream has come true."
I wonder is the script prepared for him regardless of which club he joins. Playing for Man City? Ok Pep.
He mixed up the teams in the city, maybe?
�60m spent on a Belgium sub over 2 summers.
Pool spent �1m to relegate Villa.
Ha ha... that's the price to pay for beating pool at anfield twice in recent years...
Didn't realise he might have issue with WP. Also confirmed Grujic will wear No.16
Crystal Palace to raise bid for Liverpool�s Christian Benteke to record �31.5m.
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Can see him scoring a hattrick against us next season when we lose 3-1 to PalaceHopefully to accept and Let's Move On :)
Can see him scoring a hattrick against us next season when we lose 3-1 to Palace
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Can see him scoring a hattrick against us next season when we lose 3-1 to Palace
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Can see him scoring a hattrick against us next season when we lose 3-1 to Palace
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Hopefully it's only happening in the reserve team.
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But if palace wants Ben, can propose special deal, like 20 m plus that Bolasie, who always made life difficult for us? That guy like got 4 lungs, always running opp ragged whenever i see him play. Should be good for Klopp's game... just that his skills so-so only...
This season will be a exciting one.
I forsee quite a number of upset results as teams are quite balance throughout in spending and having some superstars even in the lesser known clubs.
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Just hope Klopp can do magic and propel Pool back in top flight soccer and win that EPL in this few yrs
So rich already still want to take advantage of State!!
Damn this Barca, Real and other Spanish teams........
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BRUSSELS: The EU on Monday (Jul 4) ordered seven Spanish football clubs including Barcelona and Real Madrid to pay back millions of euros (dollars) in illegal state aid.
The European Commission said Spanish government support, including tax breaks and overpriced land transfers, gave the clubs an "unfair advantage" over others.
The other clubs were Valencia, Athletic Bilbao in the Spanish top flight and Atletico Osasuna, Elche and Hercules in the second division.
The decision followed a two-and-a-half year investigation.
"Using taxpayers' money to finance professional football clubs can create unfair competition," EU Competition Commissioner Margrethe Vestager said in a statement.
"Professional football is a commercial activity with significant money involved and public money must comply with fair competition rules. The subsidies we investigated in these cases did not."
Barcelona vowed to fight the ruling on Monday, saying they had broken no laws.
"We have applied Spanish legal norms exhaustively. In this way Barcelona has nothing to answer for," club spokesperson Josep Vives told a press conference.
"The club will defend itself and its fans against this abusive interpretation and application of the law."
Under European Union anti-trust rules, governments are not allowed to provide state aid to commercial enterprises if it distorts market competition.
The EU ordered Spain to recover unpaid tax of up to �5 million (US$7 million) from each of Barcelona, Real, Athletic Bilbao and Atletico Osasuna.
The exact sums would be determined by Spanish authorities, it said.
It said the four clubs were treated as non-profit organisations, which pay a lower tax rate than other professional clubs registered as limited liability companies.
Real Madrid was meanwhile ordered to repay �18.4 million after the Commission found that the City of Madrid overvalued a land transfer from the club to the city by that amount.
Meanwhile, the Commission said that Valencia, Hercules and Elche were given access to overly favourable loan terms when they were in financial difficulties.
Valencia has to repay �20.4 million, Hercules �6.1 million and Elche �3.7 million.
Separately, the European Commission cleared support given to five Netherlands clubs - FC Den Bosch, MVV Maastricht, NEC Nijmegen, Willem II Tilburg, and PSV Eindhoven - saying it did not involve illegal state aid.
- AFP/de
Yah me too, never heard of Manchester city before
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Crystal Palace to raise bid for Liverpool�s Christian Benteke to record �31.5m.
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That means he lost us 1,000,000.00 pounds.
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No way.
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Hold out for 32.5m
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With Neymar staying put. This will be the biggest transfer of this window if it happens.
Jose Mourinho launches charm offensive as Manchester United aim to beat Real Madrid to France and Juventus star Paul Pogba
With Neymar staying put. This will be the biggest transfer of this window if it happens.
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Think RM will clinch it if both go for it (With the same amount of $$)
Agree on that. It will be interesting to see what happen if Man Utd bid but RM don't. Will Pogba move or stay at JuventusThink RM will clinch it if both go for it (With the same amount of $$)
JM to be unveiled as Man United Mgr this morning at OT.
This article sums up what he brings to United, pros and cons.
He is the type of Mgr that u will either love or hate, no in between.
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Jose Mourinho unveiling: Get set for the man who can banish the ghosts of Sir Alex Ferguson at Manchester United
Portuguese will bring drama, waste, gambles - and trophies to Old Trafford
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It was what Sir Alex Ferguson didn�t say about Jose Mourinho in his autobiography which was most significant.�
�Not a word on why he hadn�t encouraged Manchester United to make him his successor in 2014; just references which indicated he always felt there was more to Mourinho�s success at Stamford Bridge than man-management. �He is a greater leader and spectacular manager but it did not hurt that he spent �100m during his first season at Chelsea,� Ferguson wrote. Mourinho�s way certainly doesn�t equate with his own.
The events of the past four days, with United committing �200,000-a-week to 34-year-old Zlatan Ibrahimovich, then allowing Ryan Giggs to walk away, represent what Ferguson would always have feared Mourinho might bring.�
The current pursuit of Juventus� Paul Pogba, in what may prove to be an �80m transfer, would also be anathema to the former manager, and embarrassing, since it was his distaste for the boy�s demands for money which persuaded him to let him leave for nothing, only four years ago.
But for all that, the man who will step through a side door shortly before 11am in Old Trafford�s Europa Suite on Tuesday � the third new manager to be presented in that room in as many years � has the capacity to extinguish the ghost of Ferguson. That alone makes his arrival deeply necessary. As Ferguson�s successors have fallen by the wayside, the collective memory of his achievements has grown to such a level that it haunts the club. A nuclear option is required to allow United to leave the past behind.
Mourinho is not good news for the career prospects of United�s academy players. The potential of a chance discovery � which Marcus Rashford and Tim Fosu Mensah were last season � immediately recedes. But so will the shadow of Ferguson on the wall. ��
Expect Ferguson to feature today, as he has generally tended to do on these introductory occasions in the Europa Suite � a room which really needs to be renamed or else not used for managerial unveilings at all. David Moyes� first mention of Ferguson came 16 words into his own first press conference. It was 18 minutes before Louis van Gaal referenced �Sir Alec� in his. With his keen ear for choreography, Mourinho will lean closer towards the Moyes method.
Wayne Rooney has been central to the discussion on the two previous such occasions. It was two summers ago that Mourinho attempted to sign him from United after returning as Chelsea manager. He has already made the right noises � last week declaring Rooney to be England�s best �for over a decade�.�But the balance of dependency between player and club has shifted since Moyes�fended off Mourinho and Rooney signed a new contract which felt like a new signing for United in February 2014. Still new to the midfield goal Van Gaal eventually found for him, his future is more uncertain now.
The challenge for Rooney will be greater if Pogba does arrive, with the view from France on Monday being that the appeal of playing for Mourinho makes that a growing prospect. United�s past two years have been far more about demonstrating they are still a world power as actually becoming one and the statement of intent Pogba would represent heightens the appeal of securing him.�
The prospect of Ibrahimovich matching the 38 goals he brought in 51 PSG appearances last season�is more remote amid the far greater competition of the Premier League. Not in the remotest circumstance would Ferguson have sanctioned breaking the club�s transfer record for a 34-yer-old. He only paid out heavy to deprive other clubs of players they wanted to keep.�
This is what Mourinho brings though: spending, churn, gambles, waste, suffering for those who fail to deliver quickly. And trophies. And box office stories. It helps that he will find far fewer impediments to shaping United�s spending to his will than at Chelsea or Real Madrid, with no technical director standing in his way.�
Not since his four years as a Barcelona�s assistant manager, in the last century, has Mourinho lasted more than 72 months in one place and no one will be betting the house on this being anything other than a whirlwind ripping through Old Trafford. By 2020, United will probably be starting again, though the achievements of Ferguson will probably have been laid to rest. �For me the challenge is always first and not fourth,� van Gaal said at his introductory press conference, which was ironic in retrospect. For Mourinho, fourth does not even enter the conversation.
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JM to be unveiled as Man United Mgr this morning at OT.
This article sums up what he brings to United, pros and cons.
He is the type of Mgr that u will either love or hate, no in between.
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Hope he can do what is expected of him to do.
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At least 3rd in standing. Anything below is a poor result for him after spending�so much ..
Palace is on a shopping spree
Apparently he is going Man UtdThis is interesting. PSG's Blaise Matuidi reportedly authorised by France NT to fly to England earlier today for transfer talks.
The timing is strange even if true
Agree on that. It will be interesting to see what happen if Man Utd bid but RM don't. Will Pogba move or stay at Juventus
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I think i read before that he is not interested to go to Man Utd.
His target move is to either RM, Barce or BM�
Jose Mourinho launches charm offensive as Manchester United aim to beat Real Madrid to France and Juventus star Paul Pogba
With Neymar staying put. This will be the biggest transfer of this window if it happens.
If Pogba indeed do join Man U, it would be the biggest irony in footballing history. It goes one full circle.
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A comedy of human error in evaluation of players with potential �undergoing development who may bloom later than expected.
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After all Man U is a rich club with lots of $$$ to burn.
Another article on 3-5-2 but the author feels it will not catch on at club level:
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https://www.theguard...jonathan-Wilson
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Not a bad job by UA I must say.
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Valencia have signed Portuguese international Nani on a three- year deal.
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Kante close to a move to Real Madrid.
Man City is close to complete the signing of Leroy San� for �40m
RVP is linked with the EPL champion
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5 years late?
wah, the special one just SUANED fat looney big time sia�
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"Yes, his passing is amazing but mine is also amazing without pressure"
Benteke -> Palace �27m (�31.5m)
Skrtel -> Fenerbahce �5.5m
Canos -> Norwich �2.5m
Alberto -> Sevilla �5m
�40m to recoup.
wah, the special one just SUANED fat looney big time sia
"Yes, his passing is amazing but mine is also amazing without pressure"
Actually if you read his whole msg it was more on promoting Rooney to be a no. 8 or no. 10 ie support striker rather than having him in MF. It will be Zlatan n Rooney upfront with Rashford backing up. That said, I don't remember JM playing with 2 upfront during his second Chelsea stint??
Ha ha... that's the price to pay for beating pool at anfield twice in recent years...
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To many MU fans, it's (sorry to steal from Visa) priceless as the defeats keeps LFC at sweet young 18.
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Klopp's axe is wielding. Possible outgoing with bids on table.
Benteke -> Palace �27m (�31.5m)
Skrtel -> Fenerbahce �5.5m
Canos -> Norwich �2.5m
Alberto -> Sevilla �5m
�40m to recoup.
Can use to buy which players?
Reports in Italy said that Juventus has rejected a �45m bid for Bonucci from Man City
Looks like Conte facing competition for Bonucci.
Reports in Italy said that Juventus has rejected a �45m bid for Bonucci from Man City
Wha so ex ah? Think he's 29yrs old already n for a defender it's expensive but he's a good one!
Real defender, comfortable on the ball n good passer as well. Amazing how the Italians always produce this kind of defenders over the years
http://sportwitness....-come-thursday/
How true will depend on the Croatia paper reliability liao.
He is mentioned earlier in the window, resurfaced now.
Another name that comes up again is Neves, the Porto's young captain
More on Ante Coric bid
http://sportwitness....-come-thursday/
How true will depend on the Croatia paper reliability liao.
He is mentioned earlier in the window, resurfaced now.
Another name that comes up again is Neves, the Porto's young captain
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so many midfielders, does that mean Hendo really on way out?
so many midfielders, does that mean Hendo really on way out?
I won't be surprise bro.
Anyway, Daily Mail caught up with the news liao.
Strangely, Napoli interested too. Lol
http://www.dailymail...ion-Napoli.html
so many midfielders, does that mean Hendo really on way out?
Ante Coric is a 19 year old "kid" lah.
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Need 1~2 years of apprenticeship in Pool before his potential is fully realised. Another 'Deli Alli" type.
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Succession planning I suppose.
Ante Coric is a 19 year old "kid" lah.
Need 1~2 years of apprenticeship in Pool before his potential is fully realised. Another 'Deli Alli" type.
Succession planning I suppose.
Coric will not threaten Hendo's place. But Grujic, Neves or Dahoud will.
Agree on succession planning bit. Might not be holding on to the little magician much longer
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What can be better?
And insert in a $23m sacking clause if he were to be sacked before the end of his contract ? :)Wake up to news that FSG offering Klopp a long term deal.
What can be better?
they never insert those buy back clause or first�option�like the Spanish clubs... Barca and Real Madrid always do this
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or is it the English league doesn't allow this?
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If Pogba indeed do join Man U, it would be the biggest irony in footballing history. It goes one full circle.
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A comedy of human error in evaluation of players with potential �undergoing development who may bloom later than expected.
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After all Man U is a rich club with lots of $$$ to burn.
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they never insert those buy back clause or first�option�like the Spanish clubs... Barca and Real Madrid always do this
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or is it the English league doesn't allow this?
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Or maybe the British are not so smart and far sighted.
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SAF made 2 grave mistakes which he never admitted. One is Pogba and the other is to choose Moyes over JM when he retired.
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they never insert those buy back clause or first�option�like the Spanish clubs... Barca and Real Madrid always do this
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or is it the English league doesn't allow this?
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Pogba ran down his contract. Nothing they could do�
Pogba ran down his contract. Nothing they could do�
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then there should be no reason for him to go back to Man Utd
they never insert those buy back clause or first�option�like the Spanish clubs... Barca and Real Madrid always do this
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Agreed, I never understood this as well cos the continental European clubs almost always have buy out clauses which can be arbitrary but nvr the EPL teams. Surely they can't be that stupid and there should be a logical explanation to this.
Wake up to news that FSG offering Klopp a long term deal.
What can be better?
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Wah liao! My eyes are playing tricks on me. At first, I read PSG are offering Kloop a long term deal. Then I started to get angry.
Second time read, it is actually FSG .. phew! I think must start to wear spectacles like Kloop. OK, back to normal ..
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MU went through a lot of trouble to sign Pogba as a 16 yo with threatened court cases and FIFA probe before transfer agreement could be reached
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But after securing his service, despite SAF's statement that Pogba would be in the senior squad if we want to hold Pogba back in 2011, he was mainly used in the reserve team despite being captain and outstanding player in French youth team. Pogba was featured in senior team only in� 2 FA cup games, one as sub, one sub appearance for UEFA cup game and 2 sub in premier league game in Jan and March 2012. In July, SAF announced that Pogba would leave after not signing new contract.
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He made his debut for Juve in Sep 2012 and hasn't looked back since.
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Any footballer worth his salt would not extend his contract, given this kind of treatment.
MU went through a lot of trouble to sign Pogba as a 16 yo with threatened court cases and FIFA probe before transfer agreement could be reached
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But after securing his service, despite SAF's statement that Pogba would be in the senior squad if we want to hold Pogba back in 2011, he was mainly used in the reserve team despite being captain and outstanding player in French youth team. Pogba was featured in senior team only in� 2 FA cup games, one as sub, one sub appearance for UEFA cup game and 2 sub in premier league game in Jan and March 2012. In July, SAF announced that Pogba would leave after not signing new contract.
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He made his debut for Juve in Sep 2012 and hasn't looked back since.
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Any footballer worth his salt would not extend his contract, given this kind of treatment.
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From what I read and if not mistaken, the straw that broke the camel's back (in this case Pogba's) was Fergie calling back Scholes from retirement instead of relying on the players available then including Pogba.
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I don't think there is a right or wrong. Pogba had confidence in his abilities and don't want to waste more years waiting for his chance and decided to ply his trade elsewhere. A lot of young players do this esp at the bigger clubs where chances are few and far between. A lot of them don't make it but of course some do and in the case of Pogba, he not only made it but made it big.
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Fergie like many Mgrs at big teams are under pressure to deliver success and naturally trusts players who he is familiar with. Modern football is such that results�are everything n patience is non existent. He made a judgement call on Pogba which has proven wrong. To be fair, he gets more right than wrong and he also allows youth more so than say Mourinho.
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Life has to move on and if United feels Pogba can add value to the current team which I also agree then biting the bullet�by paying a World record transfer fee then so be it. Whether Pogba wants to come back is his call. Chelsea did the same with Matic albeit not such a high price and there will be other similar cases�down the road for sure.
From what I read and if not mistaken, the straw that broke the camel's back (in this case Pogba's) was Fergie calling back Scholes from retirement instead of relying on the players available then including Pogba.
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I don't think there is a right or wrong. Pogba had confidence in his abilities and don't want to waste more years waiting for his chance and decided to ply his trade elsewhere. A lot of young players do this esp at the bigger clubs where chances are few and far between. A lot of them don't make it but of course some do and in the case of Pogba, he not only made it but made it big.
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Fergie like many Mgrs at big teams are under pressure to deliver success and naturally trusts players who he is familiar with. Modern football is such that results�are everything n patience is non existent. He made a judgement call on Pogba which has proven wrong. To be fair, he gets more right than wrong and he also allows youth more so than say Mourinho.
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Life has to move on and if United feels Pogba can add value to the current team which I also agree then biting the bullet�by paying a World record transfer fee then so be it. Whether Pogba wants to come back is his call. Chelsea did the same with Matic albeit not such a high price and there will be other similar cases�down the road for sure.
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From what my understand is, he finally realize he is not required/trusted in Manu is during a match where all the senior and proven MF are injured, a def was call upon to fill up that position instead of Pogba who is fully fit for that match..
From what my understand is, he finally realize he is not required/trusted in Manu is during a match where all the senior and proven MF are injured, a def was call upon to fill up that position instead of Pogba who is fully fit for that match..
That's the situation I'm talking about but I thought Fergie called back Scholes out of retirement?
Anyway, details aside; Pogba felt enough was enough and decided to move on and fair play to him for proving he is good enough. Whilst he's a good player, 100mil seems extravagant to say the least!
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�Whilst he's a good player, 100mil seems extravagant to say the least!
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The premiership teams in general, MU and other top teams in particular, are flushed with obscene amount of cash with the new TV deals.
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Even during the "hard-time" when MU was saddled with loan and high interest, each Glazer member reportedly received 10 mil in director fee. So better pay them out in transfer than in director fees.
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That's the situation I'm talking about but I thought Fergie called back Scholes out of retirement?
Anyway, details aside; Pogba felt enough was enough and decided to move on and fair play to him for proving he is good enough. Whilst he's a good player, 100mil seems extravagant to say the least!
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Nvm lah. Man Utd got too much money mah.
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At least that's all i keep reading here.
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Is it a good thing that its pretty much the only thing that we regularly get railed at for here?
But it is the fact leh. Man U really is very very rich.Nvm lah. Man Utd got too much money mah.
At least that's all i keep reading here.
Is it a good thing that its pretty much the only thing that we regularly get railed at for here?
So far I feel Mkhitaryan will have the biggest impact. Pogba is definitely not worth �100m imo. But if JM feels he is, who am I to argue otherwise?
Edited by Osprey23, 07 July 2016 - 05:55 PM.
I might start supporting England if this happens :)
Football transfer $$$$ has really gone astronomical
100million pounds is for strikers that put balls into the net
When midfielders hit 100m pounds, then strikers will be worth 200 m
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Football has spoilt $$$
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That's the situation I'm talking about but I thought Fergie called back Scholes out of retirement?
Anyway, details aside; Pogba felt enough was enough and decided to move on and fair play to him for proving he is good enough. Whilst he's a good player, 100mil seems extravagant to say the least!
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But it is the fact leh. Man U really is very very rich.
So far I feel Mkhitaryan will have the biggest impact. Pogba is definitely not worth �100m imo. But if JM feels he is, who am I to argue otherwise?
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And, its the broken record nature of the comments i am, er commenting about.
[David Anderson, Daily Mirror]
Hopefully there will be a buy back clause too.
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Joran Ibe to Bournemouth for 15mil pounds?
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http://www.mirror.co...nemouth-8368474
Joran Ibe to Bournemouth for 15mil pounds?
Good price for Pool I feel though he obviously has potential.
http://www.mirror.co...nemouth-8368474
I believe I shared before. Klopp is not convince of Ibe. �15m is a crazy amount, no way we will reject.
With is bro sold, let's see how it impact Sturridge.
Real Madrid also cannot fight.
Man U win!
But what if Pogba only wants RM?
Then he stays on Juventus and wait.
i can see him move to Man Utd though. Record fee that Juventus would gladly accept and he will be offered a more than decent salary. Why not?
More like a headless chicken that runs to by line and don't know how to progress from there.
On a side note, ibe is promising but his progress seem stagnant.
More like a headless chicken that runs to by line and don't know how to progress from there.
Klopp is fair. Given him a season to carry out what he wants but Ibe failed to deliver. Klopp wants his winger to be more direct, take on defender at pace. At the end of season, Ojo moved ahead of him. With Mane signed, he would fall even further back. �15m is really an offer we can't afford to reject imo.
Klopp is fair. Given him a season to carry out what he wants but Ibe failed to deliver. Klopp wants his winger to be more direct, take on defender at pace. At the end of season, Ojo moved ahead of him. With Mane signed, he would fall even further back. �15m is really an offer we can't afford to reject imo.
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I'm with you that Ibe didn't manage to prove himself, when given about 1-2 seasons already.
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But I'm not convinced about Ojo at all. He seems equally lost, if not more so.
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I'm with you that Ibe didn't manage to prove himself, when given about 1-2 seasons already.
But I'm not convinced about Ojo at all. He seems equally lost, if not more so.
On the fee for Ibe... his buddy earned us 50 (before the sell-on deduction)... They went smoking together, should at least earn us half that amount mah...
Before agreeing with Bournemouth, should ask Pep whether he wants
ok ok. should accept. add sell-on and buy-back clause...
Being lost is ok. They are still very young and learning the game. Young players usually struggle with consistency and decision making in final third. All these can improve.
However, why Ojo moves ahead is because he carried out Klopp's instructions.
I think it is pure mathematic crazy to spent this type of money on Pogba, if he come to UNITED, it met be pure love and adrenalin rush to play for Devils, no something of the past incident on how he left or left his balls standing,Pogba is another attacking midfielder to me whereby his skills may be highly anticipated or heading ability, I do not find him worthy of any sort, maybe his hairstyle stands out more than his feet.
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Neven Subotic in negotiations with Middlesbrough? He would cost around � 9 m and looking to leave the Dortmund. [TheNorthernEcho]
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This is lelong sale !
Cheap and why didn't the better teams sign him ?!
West Ham and Milan have struck an agreement on Carlos Bacca. Down to Bacca and West Ham to agree terms now
This is lelong sale !
Cheap and why didn't the better teams sign him ?!
Age, fitness.
Regress a lot since his last major injury.
Being lost is ok. They are still very young and learning the game. Young players usually struggle with consistency and decision making in final third. All these can improve.
However, why Ojo moves ahead is because he carried out Klopp's instructions.
Sheyi Ojo is only 19. He has been selected to play for England for the coming under 19 european competition.
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Still a raw talent and needs about 1~2 years to develop. Liverpool needs such back up for certain game changer football occasions, so good to retain, imo.
It is understood Liverpool have accepted a �15m bid from Bournemouth for Jordon Ibe and have given him permission to speak to the Cherries.
[David Anderson, Daily Mirror]
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think last season, Klopp did tried to fit him in. but, he started to play with a load of sandbags on his shoulders. begin to looked burdened and unable to express himself freely. more often than not, he started to blamed and kick himself for not playing right or well. i think it has got to do with trying to fufill the fans' expectations on him.. that he is supposed to be the next Raheem Sterling.�
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Klopp's squad is gonna be alot smaller this season since he is getting out of the squad experimental mode and there is no european football to blood youngsters. Klopp also need a ready 1st team right wing forward to play consistently in and out of game. There where it can be hard to see game time for Ibe.�
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end of the day, Klopp is also doing the right thing. Game time is what Ibe needs at this stage of his career. Pool can also cash in on a undoubtedly raw talent. hopefully, Pool can insert a buy-back clause so that they retain the 1st option on the player when he is more ready for Pool's 1st team...�
Hate to admit this, but to me the person who do this job constantly since i follow english football was ryan giggs.
Looks like West Ham have pull out from the race to sign Benteke.
West Ham and Milan have struck an agreement on Carlos Bacca. Down to Bacca and West Ham to agree terms now
AC Milan have agreed to sell Carlos Bacca to West Ham for �26m. Bacca now has to decide if he wants to move West Ham [Sky Italy]
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think last season, Klopp did tried to fit him in. but, he started to play
with a load of sandbags on his shoulders. begin to looked burdened and unable to express himself freely. more often than not, he started to blamed and kick himself for not playing right or well. i think it has got to do with trying to fufill the fans' expectations on him.. that he is supposed to be the next Raheem Sterling.��like shit after he signed a new contract.��
Klopp's squad is gonna be alot smaller this season since he is getting out of the squad experimental mode and there is no european football to blood youngsters. Klopp also need a ready 1st team right wing forward to play consistently in and out of game. There where it can be hard to see game time for Ibe.�
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end of the day, Klopp is also doing the right thing. Game time is what Ibe needs at this stage of his career. Pool can also cash in on a undoubtedly raw talent. hopefully, Pool can insert a buy-back clause so that they retain the 1st option on the player when he is more ready for Pool's 1st team...�
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Now like very hard to find gd winger who love to torture fb on 1v1 situation and has the abitities to put in a gd cross or the right pass.
Hate to admit this, but to me the person who do this job constantly since i follow english football was ryan giggs.
To be fair, the modern wide player is expected to track back and cover the FB. With this added responsibility,�coaches look our for generalists rather than specialized wingers like Milner with high work rate�and precisely cos they are generalists, end up neither here nor there and likely they�will not have the skill to take on 1 v 1 but the plus side is they cover�a lot of ground and help out FB and ensure team is not outnumbered in MF.
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Ryan Giggs type of winger is getting extinct.�My 2 cents.....
Ryan Giggs type of winger is getting extinct.�My 2 cents.....
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AC Milan have agreed to sell Carlos Bacca to West Ham for �26m. Bacca now has to decide if he wants to move West Ham [Sky Italy]
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1) Going rate for International strikers these days is at least >�30m so seems a fair price for Bacca but then again he is almost 30yrs old but he is a regular�for the Colombian National team.
2) Seems strange no EPL club after Eduardo Vargas of Chile who is younger (26yrs I think) and the winner of the Golden Boot at the recent Copa.
Now like very hard to find gd winger who love to torture fb on 1v1 situation and has the abitities to put in a gd cross or the right pass.
Hate to admit this, but to me the person who do this job constantly since i follow english football was ryan giggs.
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Maybe you might have�heard of Steve Coppell and Gordon Hill from�ManU of the�80's ...�
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They are the best wingers in that era ....
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who can spend more.
That time im still crawalingMaybe you might have heard of Steve Coppell and Gordon Hill from ManU of the 80's ...
They are the best wingers in that era ....
Maybe you might have heard of Steve Coppell and Gordon Hill from ManU of the 80's ...
They are the best wingers in that era ....
I only got to know what is a winger after watching John Barnes
Just my 2 cents on this transfer:
1) Going rate for International strikers these days is at least >�30m so seems a fair price for Bacca but then again he is almost 30yrs old but he is a regular for the Colombian National team.
2) Seems strange no EPL club after Eduardo Vargas of Chile who is younger (26yrs I think) and the winner of the Golden Boot at the recent Copa.
Frankly speaking, if I am West Ham, I rather spend �30m on Benteke than �26m on Bacca
BREAKING - Jurgen Klopp signs a new six year deal keeping him here until at least 2022.
http://www.liverpool...ronger-11586079
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I only got to know what is a winger after watching John Barnes
Frankly speaking, if I am West Ham, I rather spend �30m on Benteke than �26m on Bacca
Agreed, Benteke is younger and proven in EPL having been in England for few years now.
As I've posted previously, he is not bad a striker, just not suited to Pool's style but then again Hammers have Carroll so maybe they want a more nimble striker which Bacca�is?�
Agreed, Benteke is younger and proven in EPL having been in England for few years now.
As I've posted previously, he is not bad a striker, just not suited to Pool's style but then again Hammers have Carroll so maybe they want a more nimble striker which Bacca is?
When both are fit, start them both upfront and bomb long balls forward
Anyway, they signed Gokhan Tore on loan for a fee of around �5m. Deal will become permanent if he does well. I think he is a winger.
When both are fit, start them both upfront and bomb long balls forward
Anyway, they signed Gokhan Tore on loan for a fee of around �5m. Deal will become permanent if he does well. I think he is a winger.
Haha then go back to the 70s where all English clubs only tactic was high ball into the box!!�
Hammers really spending on players likely cos with bigger new stadium and European football, they got more $ to�buy big!!
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Gokhan this name don't know is it the same as one who previously played in EPL, I could be wrong though.
Happy weekend to all fellow Reds!
BREAKING - Jurgen Klopp signs a new six year deal keeping him here until at least 2022.
http://www.liverpool...ronger-11586079
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Happy Weekend to all.
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Remember what happened when Pardew was awarded and signed a 6 year deal after a fine season with Newcastle?
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Even me won't wish (or curse) that on JK, he is a decent fellow.
Happy Weekend to all.
Remember what happened when Pardew was awarded and signed a 6 year deal after a fine season with Newcastle?
Even me won't wish (or curse) that on JK, he is a decent fellow.
Hehe, no one can say for sure whether Klopp will rock the Kop or flop, but he is the best manager for Pool imo. So I am happy that he commits long term. That will allow him to plan for longer term which is good. Happy that FSG wasted no time in tying him down.
Even reported that Liverpool has submitted an application for Work Permit. Not sure how jornos in Portugal knows about WP application in England though
The English clubs are all spending big monies
Chelsea have firmed up their interest in Kalidou Koulibaly by submitting a �34m bid. (Source: Daily Express)
The English clubs are all spending big monies
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" not bad " is actually bad egg become not bad after some quality upgrade.
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Southampton really like rebuilding every season
Omitted from the squad in the opening friendly of preseason
http://www.dailymail...an-Anfield.html
Hehe, no one can say for sure whether Klopp will rock the Kop or flop, but he is the best manager for Pool imo. So I am happy that he commits long term. That will allow him to plan for longer term which is good. Happy that FSG wasted no time in tying him down.
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True, true. I had wished that MU would sign him before he signed for Pool.
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Still remember what he said in his 1st interview: �t's not so important how you are welcomed when you arrive, but how you are remembered when you leave" (essence only. can't remember the exact words"
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It sadly but aptly apply to LvG at MU.
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Sakho cleared of doping charges!!!
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Sakho is cleared from the doping scandal. Can resume playing.
Too excited to post and missed your post. Sorry bro.
I really hope Sakho or LFC take UEFA to court now. We need to know exactly what happened for them to ban a player at a late late stage of season and only to clear him after so long.
Sakho missed the Sevilla final and the chance to represent his country in the Euros because of this
Mario G�tze has decided to leave FC Bayern. In talks with Tottenham. Dortmund also interested.
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Too excited to post and missed your post. Sorry bro.
I really hope Sakho or LFC take UEFA to court now. We need to know exactly what happened for them to ban a player at a late late stage of season and only to clear him after so long.
Sakho missed the Sevilla final and the chance to represent his country in the Euros because of this
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i think tough lah. UEFA's hands are tied cos the substance was on WADA list. Can only go after WADA i think
Agreed, it's going to be tough to go after UEFA.
Anyway, UEFA is a rubbish body, I never trust them, period.....
actually, Sakho must also shoulder part of the blame. Am sure the players are repeatedly told NOT TO ingest any supplements without the team doctor's approval �
No prob at all. Carry on the good work. I enjoy your posts.Mario Götze has decided to leave FC Bayern. In talks with Tottenham. Dortmund also interested.
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Too excited to post and missed your post. Sorry bro.
I really hope Sakho or LFC take UEFA to court now. We need to know exactly what happened for them to ban a player at a late late stage of season and only to clear him after so long.
Sakho missed the Sevilla final and the chance to represent his country in the Euros because of this
Slept late so caught it...
1) English press says that substance in WADA list but Sakho's lawyer managed to argue that the substance should not be in the list.
2) French press says the substance is not in the list but it belongs to a category of fat burner that is in the list.
If it is scenario A, I would agree that Sakho and Liverpool has no case against UEFA and Sakho has to shoulder some blame.
But what if it is scenario B?
Also if indeed is scenario A, wouldn't UEFA whack him for gross negligence as well. Nevermind whether the substance should or should not be in the list but since it is, you shouldn't be touching it in the first place
Edited by Osprey23, 09 July 2016 - 12:05 PM.
final pay check
http://www.express.c...e-Ban-WADA-News
Sakho has my respect for how he conducted himself in this matter. Voluntarily asked for suspension so that club would not be in a fix and still pay him when he cannot be picked.
Next captain in my eyes if Hendo really stepping down
Carlos Bacca apparently wants �120k pw to join West Ham.
final pay check
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South Americans strikers somehow do not thrive in England, woth few exceptions of course. So to pay so much to this chap who is 30 looks like a not-so-good deal
Paul Joyce now also reported that the substance is NOT in the list.
http://www.express.c...e-Ban-WADA-News
Sakho has my respect for how he conducted himself in this matter. Voluntarily asked for suspension so that club would not be in a fix and still pay him when he cannot be picked.
Next captain in my eyes if Hendo really stepping down
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then what test did he fail ? Did UEFA officials conduct the test, and what is test based on then ? UEFA got its own list, different from WADA ?�
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then what test did he fail ? Did UEFA officials conduct the test, and what is test based on then ? UEFA got its own list, different from WADA ?
wa lan, sounds like a big cockup leh
That's what I hope can come to light with a lawsuit against them Bro. Too many unanswered questions. Not in the list and yet banned and investigate him? Too many things just don't add up.
And they still want Stones?
Reports in Italy claiming that Bonucci has accepted Manchester City's offer of �8m per year! Transfer now pending Juventus accepting the �60m bid.
And they still want Stones?
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seems like Guardiola + $$$ is a deadly combo !! Messi anyone ?
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Wenger should consider jese Rodriguez on the cheap instead
Unfortunately monies rules.seems like Guardiola + $$$ is a deadly combo !! Messi anyone ?
This man citeh is like many of those chinese clubs. No proud history. Buy buy buy success only.
Creating more hatred than sarpork for this tiny club
They want 50m profit... siao... don't even know what so good about morata
Wenger should consider jese Rodriguez on the cheap instead
They need the money to beat Man Utd to Pogba.
Unfortunately monies rules.
This man citeh is like many of those chinese clubs. No proud history. Buy buy buy success only.
Creating more hatred than sarpork for this tiny club
Pep is far from done I think. Ter Stegen and San� yet to get. Not sure about hatred part, many felt envious that they can just just throw money to buy anyone they fancy.
Pep is far from done I think. Ter Stegen and San� yet to get. Not sure about hatred part, many felt envious that they can just just throw money to buy anyone they fancy.
Agreed, why envy other clubs who can spend. When you turn comes, don't eat your own words is my mantra. I'm reading Pep wants Bravo rather than Stegen?
Unfortunately monies rules.
This man citeh is like many of those chinese clubs. No proud history. Buy buy buy success only.
Creating more hatred than sarpork for this tiny club
China or Arab businessmen takeover Spurs n u will sing a different tune for sure!
Haiz.... but then spurs might lose its soul and identity liao.China or Arab businessmen takeover Spurs n u will sing a different tune for sure!
http://www.mirror.co...ging-up-8385548
If Chinese take over, you guys will be in danger of shirt colour change because you are not wearing redHaiz.... but then spurs might lose its soul and identity liao.
Edited by Osprey23, 10 July 2016 - 02:35 PM.
Didn't hear about that but well, if Barcelona intend to give Ter Stegen the start he craves for, then maybe Pep might try for Bravo then.Agreed, why envy other clubs who can spend. When you turn comes, don't eat your own words is my mantra. I'm reading Pep wants Bravo rather than Stegen?
If Pep is to plan long term, Ter Stegen will be a better buy imo
Apparently Bravo is playing better than e German, that's y he getting e starting lineup instead of the latter. His performance at Copa is another his testimony.Didn't hear about that but well, if Barcelona intend to give Ter Stegen the start he craves for, then maybe Pep might try for Bravo then.
If Pep is to plan long term, Ter Stegen will be a better buy imo
Anyway I heard pep is looking at Bravo instead of that German guy
Agree that Bravo is playing really well, that's why Ter Stegen finding it so hard to dislodge him from the No.1 spot. :)Apparently Bravo is playing better than e German, that's y he getting e starting lineup instead of the latter. His performance at Copa is another his testimony.
Anyway I heard pep is looking at Bravo instead of that German guy
Bravo is 30+ iirc and certainly not someone whom you would want be build up the defense with on a longer term. So depends on what Pep wants I guess.
Let's see how it goes but either way, Hart's place is certainly threatened
Edited by Osprey23, 10 July 2016 - 03:37 PM.
http://www.thesportr...s-man-utd-deal/
Indisputably, Man Utd are the pride of EPL. First time I think for an English club to beat Real Madrid to a signing by offering a deal that they cannot even match.
According to Richard Key, Man Utd is very close in getting Pogba.
http://www.thesportr...s-man-utd-deal/
Indisputably, Man Utd are the pride of EPL. First time I think for an English club to beat Real Madrid to a signing by offering a deal that they cannot even match.
This is what I call giving the Spaniards a taste of their own medicine. Real n Barca shldnt always have things their own ways. One up to United n EPL if Pogba does come
But can also be called "Cutting off the nose to spite the face" if it's just to keep up with the Joneses.
I mean, paying a vast sum to have a player who's just like another lumbering Balo is not financial prudence but with Juan Mata on his way out (who is a better player imho) and Fellaini (with better elbows in the 6 yard box), JM wants better and instant results. Is he worth it?
For the record, I don't rate Pogba at �100mil.
�50-�60mil can consider. I don't think United paying that price just to spite Real.
In fact, I don't believe any club buys players just to prevent another club from getting that player, not even City nor Chelsea nor anyone for that matter.
IMO, nice to let the bigger clubs like Real, Barca n Bayern feel how it's like to be outbidded, rejected etc n that's why even though I'm not a United supporter, I'm happy they put one up over the biggest clubs
I am with bro OS, though I dont like Big Sam, I dont mind seeing him or even Alan Pardew leading England just for laughs�
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According to James Pearce, Pool are no longer pursuing Gotze.
http://www.liverpool...-gotze-11593690
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Yep, hands and legs up in full agreement. LFC don't need players that are not fully convinced and committed.
For the record, I don't rate Pogba at �100mil.
�50-�60mil can consider. I don't think United paying that price just to spite Real.
In fact, I don't believe any club buys players just to prevent another club from getting that player, not even City nor Chelsea nor anyone for that matter.
IMO, nice to let the bigger clubs like Real, Barca n Bayern feel how it's like to be outbidded, rejected etc n that's why even though I'm not a United supporter, I'm happy they put one up over the biggest clubs
Look like the champagne might have to put back into the chiller first.
I think it is all down to Pogba now.
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Pogba's mum: "My son wants to stay at Juventus and the club and Riaola know what he wants".
Look like the champagne might have to put back into the chiller first.
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There is another report saying that�Juventus�rejected �132m (�112m)�offer from Man�United. You believe? I don�t believe. �They can keep him for�another 10 years.� Base on his Euro 2016 performance, he is not even worth 50 mil.
http://www.liverpool...ntract-11599192
I believe Man Utd has the money to make the bid. But I am not sure if they have.There is another report saying that Juventus rejected �132m (£112m) offer from Man United. You believe? I don�t believe. They can keep him for another 10 years. Base on his Euro 2016 performance, he is not even worth 50 mil.
If they indeed made the bid, I don't believe Juventus will reject it unless Pogba made it clear that he doesn't want the move.
However if that's the case, the agent would have informed Man Utd and they won't make the bid.
Have to agree on your valuation based on Euro performance. Joe "Welsh Pirlo" Allen made it to the official team of the tournament and yet he is available for �10m.
Edited by Osprey23, 11 July 2016 - 11:51 PM.
http://www.telegraph...-over-doping-v/
Looks like the French papers are right. Substance NOT on list but WADA insisted that Sakho be banned because of the family of drug which the substance belongs to.
Edited by Osprey23, 12 July 2016 - 06:41 AM.
On Sakho's anti-doping case.
http://www.telegraph...-over-doping-v/
Looks like the French papers are right. Substance NOT on list but WADA insisted that Sakho be banned because of the family of drug which the substance belongs to.
Seems like for once UEFA not the culprit but WADA instead?
They might appeal against UEFA's decision to let Sakho off!!
http://www.mirror.co...e-legal-8401238
Seems like for once UEFA not the culprit but WADA instead?
They might appeal against UEFA's decision to let Sakho off!!
http://www.mirror.co...e-legal-8401238
Don't think they have a case bro.
During the hearing when Sakho presented his case, WADA did not even has anyone representive to present their case. UEFA then had an easy decision to make. Substance not on list, Sakho cleared of any charges.
Hearing don't want to be present then now want to appeal? They can go fly kite lah
Don't think they have a case bro.
During the hearing when Sakho presented his case, WADA did not even has anyone representive to present their case. UEFA then had an easy decision to make. Substance not on list, Sakho cleared of any charges.
Hearing don't want to be present then now want to appeal? They can go fly kite lah�
Haha you got a point, don't want top be present at hearing n now want to appeal!!
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Trouble with this WADA is that they can be overzealous. Happen to other sports as well so don't think Pool or football being singled out here. Anyway, it's a real pity for club, country and player. Lose lose situation. Personally I feel benefit of any doubt should be given to sportsman till solid evidence is presented otherwise a similar situation will happen again.
I am a long time admirer of Ah Seng, esp after he cured his myopic problems.
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But those gunner fans who pay good monies for merchandise and tickets and the club just lock it into their account with no intentions to compete on transfer market may not be overjoyed. They have backed out on at least 2 reported deals so far. Youth and long term policy is at best idealism. Even if the players are loyal, their agents may not be. With Arsenal languishing in the eternal top 4 positions, one has little hope that they can hold on the top promising young stars. They would go either for financial or footballing reasons, if not for both.�
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Not many fully grasp the commercial impacts on EPL. The teams do not depend so much for success on the pitch. LFC, like Ed said, despite their recent (or not so recent) drought, they are still No. 2 shirt seller in UK. MU revenue grow by over 30% over the past 3 underwhelming seasons. Arsenal earned more TV money than Leicester last season etc
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So it's worth to keep the momentum going by any means. New players, or even new managers to stay in the limelight. Or for some to survive in the premiership where TV money of abt 65 mil is guarantee by just being there.
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If Pogba is ex at 100 mil, W Ham just slapped 100 mil price tag on Payet.
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If Lambo is out of touch and mere dream for me, it's a toy for many.
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If one thinks that MU is reckless financially, the latest report (June 2014) said they have the lowest wage to revenue % in EPL. (Obviously they were help by the huge revenue base) Among the top teams, Arsenal is next with 55%. Rest of the top teams are ard 60%. WBA had the hight at 75%.
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Therein lies the spending power of MU.
Not sure on the latest but with Zlatan and Mkhitaryan onboard, the wage numbers certainly have gone up significantly.
West Ham put a price tag of �50m on Payet but i seriously doubt anyone will be paying that.
Man Utd model is built on success to drive commercial and with loads of money, continue achieve success.
That's the reason why Man Utd will not hesitate to spend big, not just because they can, but also they must. Let's put it this way, they can't afford to have barren spells like what Pool are going through. The business model will crash
Edited by Osprey23, 12 July 2016 - 11:17 AM.
Bro Ngseeming
Not sure on the latest but with Zlatan and Mkhitaryan onboard, the wage numbers certainly have gone up significantly.
West Ham put a price tag of �50m on Payet but i seriously doubt anyone will be paying that.
Man Utd model is built on success to drive commercial and with loads of money, continue achieve success.
That's the reason why Man Utd will not hesitate to spend big, not just because they can, but also they must. Let's put it this way, they can't afford to have barren spells like what Pool are going through. The business model will crash�
That's happened to Leeds�
That's happened to Leeds
Leeds do not have the fundation when they took that route imo.
They crashed even before they took off
That's happened to Leeds
No doubt Leeds is a big club. But commercially, just based on jersey sales alone, they can't even compare to Newcastle.
Mata, Schweinstiger, Rojo and Blind are all believed to be on Jose' clear out list
DEAL DONE: Swansea have signed Tyler Reid from Manchester United for an undisclosed fee.
Mata, Schweinstiger, Rojo and Blind are all believed to be on Jose' clear out list�
you made me google who tyler reid is... and wonder if you did a typo somewhere..
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you made me google who tyler reid is... and wonder if you did a typo somewhere..
Anyway, Pool clearing faster.
Skrtel, Canos and Ibe to be confirmed within days. Bogdan close to Wigan switch as well.
The offer apparently is made before Euro and unlikely to be accepted by Koln who is hoping to sell him to a higher bidder
off topic....
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49 year old only, but totally destroyed by alcoholism...
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these are his recent photos
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bet he doesn't even watched the Euro... probably just drinks his life away
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This man citeh is like many of those chinese clubs. No proud history. Buy buy buy success only.
Creating more hatred than sarpork for this tiny club�
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anyone remember England legend Paul Gascoigne?
49 year old only, but totally destroyed by alcoholism...
these are his recent photos
bet he doesn't even watched the Euro... probably just drinks his life away
Sad to see him in this state. Saw links to that article but didn't want to click. Anything from the rag I don't read
Summary: City have bought Rulli, will loan him to Sociedad, who will have to buy him for �7m, with City able to buy him back for �14m. [AS]
What a complicated transfer.
http://www.independe...s-a7133456.html
Only one thing I heard differently. Chilwell is close to a move. By end of this week should have news.
Not too sure if BR will be a good choice for England.Attached Thumbnails
the legacy continues....
City have signed Ger�nimo Rulli and will loan him to Sociedad with an obligation to buy for �7m. City will then have a buy-back clause. Rulli could remain with Real Sociedad until 2018 at which point City will exercise their buy-back clause and buy him for around �14m.
Summary: City have bought Rulli, will loan him to Sociedad, who will have to buy him for �7m, with City able to buy him back for �14m. [AS]
What a complicated transfer.
The authorities Shld not allow this kind of transfers. Obviously big club milking the transfer market n it becomes like trading kettle. And to make matters worse, the smaller club, Sociedad in this case will be sort of indebted to City n leads to the feeder club situation which the authorities are keen to stop so as to ensure fair play.
Even ownership rules of FC doesn't allow an owner to own more than one club IIRC so this Shld be barred as well.
OT: Celtics lost to this team 1-0 in UCL qualifier.
Not too sure if BR will be a good choice for England.BR might be in for a shock sacking if they got kicked out of CL at this stage.
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Talk is cheap. Lots of hard work ahead for BR & Co.
The authorities Shld not allow this kind of transfers. Obviously big club milking the transfer market n it becomes like trading kettle. And to make matters worse, the smaller club, Sociedad in this case will be sort of indebted to City n leads to the feeder club situation which the authorities are keen to stop so as to ensure fair play.
Even ownership rules of FC doesn't allow an owner to own more than one club IIRC so this Shld be barred as well.
Each and every transaction is in accordance to the rule. Nothing to fault City with.
Yes, owners cannot own more than one club in the same league but not stopping them to own different clubs in different leagues
The authorities Shld not allow this kind of transfers. Obviously big club milking the transfer market n it becomes like trading kettle. And to make matters worse, the smaller club, Sociedad in this case will be sort of indebted to City n leads to the feeder club situation which the authorities are keen to stop so as to ensure fair play.
Even ownership rules of FC doesn't allow an owner to own more than one club IIRC so this Shld be barred as well.�
In business world, this is called Networking
Tough bro.
Each and every transaction is in accordance to the rule. Nothing to fault City with.
Yes, owners cannot own more than one club in the same league but not stopping them to own different clubs in different leaguesYes it's tough obviously but rules can be added to make this a no-go.
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Eg A player cannot move to another club within say 1 or 2 transfer windows just after he joined a new club. I'm sure the authorities can implement something otherwise football will be cornered by the richest clubs which is slowly happening already and fair play may be compromised.
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I've always advocated not being envious of richer clubs and teams buying success and have chastised forumers and fans from saying clubs have no history etc which I still standby but a line has to be drawn on what a rich club is allowed to do and this selling on of players�should be stopped as it has crossed the line as far as I'm concerned.�
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I don't fault City, I fault the rules that allow them to do this. This is the ugly side of money, not the buying of players to improve your own team, my 2 cents.
Edited by Spring, 13 July 2016 - 09:46 AM.
In business world, this is called Networking
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In the interest of fair play, networking should not be allowed in football but admittedly it's easier said than done. Football is a sport after all not a business which I've always insisted on but unfortunately it is moving in that direction which is to the detriment of us genuine lovers of the game!
Yes it's tough obviously but rules can be added to make this a no-go.
Eg A player cannot move to another club within say 1 or 2 transfer windows just after he joined a new club. I'm sure the authorities can implement something otherwise football will be cornered by the richest clubs which is slowly happening already and fair play may be compromised.
I've always advocated not being envious of richer clubs and teams buying success and have chastised forumers and fans from saying clubs have no history etc which I still standby but a line has to be drawn on what a rich club is allowed to do and this selling on of players should be stopped as it has crossed the line as far as I'm concerned.
I don't fault City, I fault the rules that allow them to do this. This is the ugly side of money, not the buying of players to improve your own team, my 2 cents.
As far as Sociadad is concern, they would probably be losing out on the player anyway. So this deal might be win-win as they get to loan the player with an obligatory clause to sign him and should City come back for him in the future, they are guarenteed of a profit.
Football transfers at the end of the day, still a willing buyer, willing seller and willing player transaction. Money can influence but will never be able to force a deal through if one party die die don't want to deal.
As for players not allowed to move within 1 or 2 windows, I don't think it will be received well as it seriously violate basic employment rights. What is being done now though, is to restrict a player from representing more than 2 clubs in the same season. Meaning if A played for Club X in preseason, get transferred to Club Y, played a game for them, he cannot play for Club Z in that season even if Club Y sold him off immediate in the same window.
Edited by Osprey23, 13 July 2016 - 10:35 AM.
In the interest of fair play, networking should not be allowed in football but admittedly it's easier said than done. Football is a sport after all not a business which I've always insisted on but unfortunately it is moving in that direction which is to the detriment of us genuine lovers of the game!
Bold portion is the reason why Liverpool are trailing Man Utd in financial means now. When we were successful in 70s and 80s, we made no effort to expand the commercial side of things, because of that belief held by the Anfield hierarchy.
Man Utd took the commercial path even before they started their dominance on the field.
The rest they say, is history.
Again there is no good solution in this imperfect world.
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If one bars the players from playing in the same league after having played with another club, then one might as well scrap the Jan transfer window. It may hurt the smaller clubs which could not afford big squads, desperate for survival more.
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As for players not allowed to move within 1 or 2 windows, I don't think it will be received well as it seriously violate basic employment rights. What can be done though, is to restrict a player from representing more than 2 clubs in the same season. Meaning if A played for Club X in preseason, get transferred to Club Y, played a game for them, he cannot play for Club Z in that season even if Club Y sold him off immediate in the same window.
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I think there is�a rule presently that you can't be registered�for 3 clubs in�the same season but for this case, he never played for City so in theory, it's still 2 clubs so within the rules I think, something like that.
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Anyway, I feel strongly on this bartering/hogging or whatever you want to call it of players and feel the football authorities can surely come up with something to stop this. IMO, it's not a violation of employment cos he's still paid and employed not as if it's restrictive for the player to ply his trade.
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Sorry for the harping on this issue but this situation is much worse than what Chelsea always does by loaning out their players cos in their case not a single time do they have this immediate agreement that at the�end of the�loan to force the loan club to buy the player.
Worst scenario, just pay him off.
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Pool can afford to waste a few mil, I believe
Klopp:"Mario's future is not with us"
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OT: Celtics lost to this team 1-0 in UCL qualifier.
Not too sure if BR will be a good choice for England.�
i think it boils down to the lack of PLAN B lol�
if pool is resigned to losing the player anyway, might as well keep him in the roster in case there are many injuries during the season?�
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Each club can only register 25 players of which 8 has to be home grown so only 17 foreigners allowed. Registering MB means one precious vacancy is taken up so unless there is�a vacancy, it seems pointless to keep him.
if pool is resigned to losing the player anyway, might as well keep him in the roster in case there are many injuries during the season?
hardly any takers for mario in the market. the italian clubs aren't stupid to buy him outright either.. cheapo clubs will only try to loan him..
What makes it worse is that his agent probably won't be pushing very hard for him. Earned enough commission from Man Utd liao.
i think it boils down to the lack of PLAN B lol
Btw, profile of that club Celtic managed to lose to. BR allows them to set a milestone in their club history.Attached Thumbnails
OT: Celtics lost to this team 1-0 in UCL qualifier.
Not too sure if BR will be a good choice for England.�
England always get humiliated
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BR always get humiliated
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perfect match for each other.
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OT: Celtics lost to this team 1-0 in UCL qualifier.
Not too sure if BR will be a good choice for England.�
dirty imps must have parked the bus after scoring a lucky set piece
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preventing BR from playing his free flowing football
dirty imps must have parked the bus after scoring a lucky set piece
preventing BR from playing his free flowing football
Based on his post match, sounds like they parked the bus from first minute. Lob one long ball and scored. Of course, Celtic showed lots of character
Btw, profile of that club Celtic managed to lose to. BR allows them to set a milestone in their club history.
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come on rocky, u can do it!
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Based on his post match, sounds like they parked the bus from first minute. Lob one long ball and scored. Of course, Celtic showed lots of character
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i am sure BR is very satisfied with the work rate and performance.
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the only problem was they were quite unlucky in front of goal after taking 50 shots from outside the box�
LOL actual quote from BR
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�No. There is obvious disappointment. There is no embarrassment. It was a tough game in tough conditions. We didn�t take our chances, they took their chance.
�We dominated and created enough chances to score. Sometimes it can happen, obviously with the pitch, an awkward bounce and all of a sudden the player is in, it�s into the floor and goes in.
�We have seen enough to see that we can get through in the second leg. Of course you are disappointed to lose. It was difficult, of course. They set up 5-4-1. And it doesn�t matter the team, the level. Teams have good organisation, 11 players behind the ball. Throw the pitch into that, it�s very, very tough for the players. But we created enough chances, their keeper made fantastic saves. It gives us a bit of work to do in the second leg.�
Celtic just needs to score
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and we have just the man
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for a mere 16m.
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�No. There is obvious disappointment. There is no embarrassment. It was a tough game in tough conditions. We didn�t take our chances, they took their chance.
�We dominated and created enough chances to score. Sometimes it can happen, obviously with the pitch, an awkward bounce and all of a sudden the player is in, it�s into the floor and goes in.
�We have seen enough to see that we can get through in the second leg. Of course you are disappointed to lose. It was difficult, of course. They set up 5-4-1. And it doesn�t matter the team, the level. Teams have good organisation, 11 players behind the ball. Throw the pitch into that, it�s very, very tough for the players. But we created enough chances, their keeper made fantastic saves. It gives us a bit of work to do in the second leg.�
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This is England manager material.
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I am now truly amazed with the genius of LS
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it must have been a tremendous feat to almost deliver the league title�
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in spite of having a manager like BR�
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i don't think even pele or maradonna could have done that if BR was their manager.
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And LS's genius was so complete that he could even make the rest of the country vote BR as manager of the year.. WOW
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Can go against Skrtel again
Bold portion is the reason why Liverpool are trailing Man Utd in financial means now. When we were successful in 70s and 80s, we made no effort to expand the commercial side of things, because of that belief held by the Anfield hierarchy.
Man Utd took the commercial path even before they started their dominance on the field.
The rest they say, is history.�
Sound like Nokia..
"we didn't do anything wrong..."�
But they didn't revolve to be a better brand...
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Eg A player cannot move to another club within say 1 or 2 transfer windows just after he joined a new club. I'm sure the authorities can implement something otherwise football will be cornered by the richest clubs which is slowly happening already and fair play may be compromised.
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you know how much dead wood that pool would have been stuck with?
you know how much dead wood that pool would have been stuck with?
Too bad. Clubs have to live by their decisions be it good or bad and perhaps they will be more careful of their purchases. Idea though is to disallow trading of players by bigger clubs to smaller clubs for an immediate profit which is against the spirit of player movement.��
Bold portion is the reason why Liverpool are trailing Man Utd in financial means now. When we were successful in 70s and 80s, we made no effort to expand the commercial side of things, because of that belief held by the Anfield hierarchy.
Man Utd took the commercial path even before they started their dominance on the field.
The rest they say, is history.�
This was started by Sir Matt Busby who visited New York Yankee stadium
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and saw the director boxes and started the commercialisation of the club.
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This brought in so much money they could afford to buy the best players.
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Surprise... Chelsea is after Drinkwater
According to reports from France, Chelsea have agreed a fee of �35 mill with Leicester City for N'Golo Kante
Wilfried Bony is set to leave Manchester City, with Galatasaray offering a �3m loan spell in Turkey.
Can go against Skrtel again
Reports in Turkey suggest Galatasaray to make �4m bid for Lucas Leiva.
Can some Turks please come in for Balo, please
Can't believe that the FA is speaking to Sam Allardyce for the vacant England Mgr post.
It's official from Sunderland FC website....
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https://www.safc.com...t-sam-allardyce
Seems like quite a few supporter for him leh.....
SAF also back him. When SAF recommend, usually good.
Oh wait...
Sound like Nokia..
"we didn't do anything wrong..."�
But they didn't revolve to be a better brand...
Issues of branding issues with Liverpool started the day Tom Hicks and George Gillet Jr bought over this well known club in 2007 with borrowed money and tried to make money from this so called prized "investment". It turned out to be a financial disaster. Instead of improving the club's brand, most of the time and resources were spend on bickering between Hicks & Co and the management team with Rick Parry and Rafa Benitez on the receiving end.
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It was well known that during those years, the club struggled to meet the interest payments on the loans taken out as part of the leveraged buyout. It also meant that there was a lack of investment in players resulting in declining performances on the pitch. All that was but a bad phase of the club's history.
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Now with FSG on board, it is more of steadying and strengthening the Liverpool ship and growing the club domestically and globally eg physically increasing capacity of the stadium and accelerating the global brand franchise, endorsements and partnership arrangements.�
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Long story cut short; it is more of catch-up time and it cannot be helped if Man U or Arsenal or even other Johnny-come-latelys has moved ahead of LFC, because past historical glories alone is never good enough.
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So better late than never.There is still hope for Liverpool specially if a genuine deep pocketed suitor is willing to dish out the real $$$, and be committed to leap-frog the club to the where it should rightfully be.
SAF also back him. When SAF recommend, usually good.
Oh wait...SAF is still a much respected personality in the British football scene. So his views and opinions carries much weight.
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But he was wrong with endorsing David Moyes for the Man U manager post.
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Did he or didn't he has some say on LVG's appointment to replace Moyes as a Board director of Man U?
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Now he endorse JM for Man U. SAF could be right this third time round, right.
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Perhaps he could be also right with Big Sam, being an "appropriate" coach from a "English" coach viewpoint.
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Back on past track record, the FA's selection committee usually end up choosing the most 'politically correct" candidate. Big Fat Sam seems to fit the profile well, very well.
There is another report saying that�Juventus�rejected �132m (�112m)�offer from Man�United. You believe? I don�t believe. �They can keep him for�another 10 years.� Base on his Euro 2016 performance, he is not even worth 50 mil.
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I firmly believe a player in any calibre and clubs takes at least 24 months to gel, live and play well, let alone understand the true culture of the club. �IN football term it is not about height or size, we have ebony and ivory ( T.Sheringham and Andy Cole ) characters, hardly speak a word, but a terror once thy kick a ball.
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What have we got here, Mata and Fellaini ( Fellaini can win ball by his head knock down to Mata, who can shoot from all angle and distribution, But I am nt here to tell Jose what to do, He can't afford to do another SAF's mistake...
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Yes, yes I have heard all he say was Mata has no pace, he can't track back like Oscar , Hazard is another midfielder who can attack and shoot, every players has their strength and weakness.
Seems like quite a few supporter for him leh.....
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I for one feel it might turn out good. He knows how to work with what he had, I think he'll definitely be better than Woeful Woy
I for one feel it might turn out good. He knows how to work with what he had, I think he'll definitely be better than Woeful Woy
Let him try out ... Can't be worse than Roy
http://www.express.c...ier-League-News
Klopp told Karius to snub Olympics so that he will not miss the start of season. Clearly if Migs still the No.1, Karius going to Olympics or not won't matter much.
Skrtel off to Fenerbache - �5.5m
Ibe off to Bournemouth (soon) - �15m
This week is a good week for Pool in terms of sales
Canos off to Norwich - �2.5m rising to �4.5 with first option (not buy back)
Skrtel off to Fenerbache - �5.5m
Ibe off to Bournemouth (soon) - �15m
This week is a good week for Pool in terms of sales�
Sakho may not be ready for that start of the season so Pool is down to Lovren and Matip. �they better stay fit and matip better put on a few pounds as he seems a bit light weight for the epl�
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hope they inserted a buy back for ibe. otherwise, his potential, if exploited, may come back to haunt Klopp on this decision. �
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as a long-faithful servant, Skrtel deserved a better send off than the recent happiness at his departure. forever, he did himself no favours for his vulgarity at Klopp recently
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seems from this point, Klopp is more interested in selling than buying. any further transfers in may well be determined by how much deadwood he can clear...�
Too bad. Clubs have to live by their decisions be it good or bad and perhaps they will be more careful of their purchases. Idea though is to disallow trading of players by bigger clubs to smaller clubs for an immediate profit which is against the spirit of player movement.��
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Would this not be as good as any of us being tied down to a company for a year or two, without being allowed to switch jobs?
Not surprising at all for me.
http://www.express.c...ier-League-News
Klopp told Karius to snub Olympics so that he will not miss the start of season. Clearly if Migs still the No.1, Karius going to Olympics or not won't matter much.�
rejecting a chance to play for his country.......... hmm...
rejecting a chance to play for his country.......... hmm...
To reach this target, he must do well for his club.
Edited by Osprey23, 14 July 2016 - 10:12 AM.
Would this not be as good as any of us being tied down to a company for a year or two, without being allowed to switch jobs?
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It's not the same comparison right?
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We don't get traded to another company unlike players. That's the fundamental difference between our contracts and a footballer. And that's why we have the�Bosman transfer where players are free to move at the end of their contract unlike pre Bosman days.
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I've never heard of an employee here who has joined a new company only to be "sold" to another employer here so not an apple to apple comparison.
Sakho may not be ready for that start of the season so Pool is down to Lovren and Matip. �they better stay fit and matip better put on a few pounds as he seems a bit light weight for the epl�
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hope they inserted a buy back for ibe. otherwise, his potential, if exploited, may come back to haunt Klopp on this decision. �
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as a long-faithful servant, Skrtel deserved a better send off than the recent happiness at his departure. forever, he did himself no favours for his vulgarity at Klopp recently
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seems from this point, Klopp is more interested in selling than buying. any further transfers in may well be determined by how much deadwood he can clear...�
Stock clearance sale of surplus players affects every club, not just Liverpool alone. Man U, Citeh, Chelsea, Arsenal and the rest have to do trading of players here and there.
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It seems that Klopp is managing this departure of 'released' players well �without firesale prices.
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Looks like the present team is undergoing a refreshing change for the better.
as an aside, Pool's newly acquired Gruijic looks a man-mountain in his first game at the club in the friendly last nite.�
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comparision with Matic at Chelsea are bound to surface due to their similar frame and size, and playing position and style. �
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i really wonder if Klopp still need to go out and grab another central midfielder. �The current players in Can, Gruijic, Allen, Henderson and agruably Milner looks ok unless he is looking for something this current players cannot offer.
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I am excluding Lucas as either he will be kept in the squad as a back CB or be sold off..�
seems from this point, Klopp is more interested in selling than buying. any further transfers in may well be determined by how much deadwood he can clear...
I do believe although there is a need to trim the squad, the lack of incoming activity is also due to deadlock in negotiation.
Key players to move on are Benteke and Balotelli. Transfer fees recouping aside, the two will free up �200kpw worth of wages.
I really pity Zielinski. Napoli bid accepted. Our similar bid in value rejected. Zielinski refused to discuss terms with Napoli. Now Milan came in with a �18m bid which is higher and get accepted by Udinese too. Will see how Zielinski response to it now. If Klopp's lure is so strong, he is likely to reject all personal terms talk and force Udinese to accept our bid. If that is to happen, will be late in the window.
Dahoud's situation remains unchanged. Either we give BMG an offer they can't refuse, or we wait till next summer.
Chilwell closest. Hopefully by end of this week can get some news.
Leverkusen had been contacted on Tah. But I have not receive any credible info on the outcome of our enquiry. Just hope we make the move if Leverkusen is willing to do business.
as an aside, Pool's newly acquired Gruijic looks a man-mountain in his first game at the club in the friendly last nite.
comparision with Matic at Chelsea are bound to surface due to their similar frame and size, and playing position and style.
i really wonder if Klopp still need to go out and grab another central midfielder. The current players in Can, Gruijic, Allen, Henderson and agruably Milner looks ok unless he is looking for something this current players cannot offer.
I am excluding Lucas as either he will be kept in the squad as a back CB or be sold off..
Grujic had a good outing and I only manage to watch the highlights. I will find time over the weekend to catch the match in full. From the first friendly, Klopp went 4-2-3-1. If that's what he wants for next season, I would say we still need that controller. Grujic if you ask me, is still a B2B like Can, based on how he played for Red Star.
Assuming Can is taking one of the midfield spot, none of whom we have compliment Can as a partner. Allen, Hendo and Milner are more suited in a midfield 3. Ideally, if we are to sign one to partner Can, I hope it would be a DLP like Dahoud or Neves, or a pure DM destroyer like William Carvalho.
It's not the same comparison right?
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We don't get traded to another company unlike players. That's the fundamental difference between our contracts and a footballer. And that's why we have the�Bosman transfer where players are free to move at the end of their contract unlike pre Bosman days.
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I've never heard of an employee here who has joined a new company only to be "sold" to another employer here so not an apple to apple comparison.
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but the basics are the same....
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and though we don't hear of company A selling to Company B but we do hear of Staff A joining Staff B and get rewarded by it, something like signing on bonus
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and yes company do buy out another employee's contract.....�
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and maybe our normal skill set not hard to find so no need pay transfer fee.............�
Give other young keepers a chance. His target now should be the NT, not Olympic squad.
To reach this target, he must do well for his club.�
i don't agree that a player should be allowed to choose which level to play for his country.......... but that's my own opinion
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i don't agree that a player should be allowed to choose which level to play for his country.......... but that's my own opinion
Karius did not choose the level he should play but rather, he is working hard to be chosen by his NT. If this call up his from Jochim Low, Klopp won't stop him.
My point is this. Between going for the Olympic and missing the chance to establish yourself as the No.1 in your new club, after the manager expressed his desire for you to stay is a no brainer.
The matter was brought up to the German Federation for discussion and they respected Karius' decision.
Beside, Karius probably also eager to have the chance to play at a World Class stadium like the Emirates on the opening day
Edited by Osprey23, 14 July 2016 - 01:49 PM.
Sorry for not making myself clear.
Karius did not choose the level he should play but rather, he is working hard to be chosen by his NT. If this call up his from Jochim Low, Klopp won't stop him.
My point is this. Between going for the Olympic and missing the chance to establish yourself as the No.1 in your new club, after the manager expressed his desire for you to stay is a no brainer.
The matter was brought up to the German Federation for discussion and they respected Karius' decision.
Beside, Karius probably also eager to have the chance to play at a World Class stadium like the Emirates on the opening day�
playing for the junior level in the olympics is really a waste of time imho. national team wise, i agreed more worth it in terms of exposure and development.�
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make no mistake about it, Karius is competing with Mingolet for the right to be no.1 GK for the start of the season. I think Klopp is gonna give him the chance, having seen how Mingolet has played in the last season. He shouldnt have too much things to lose to be honest...�
Sorry for not making myself clear.
Karius did not choose the level he should play but rather, he is working hard to be chosen by his NT. If this call up his from Jochim Low, Klopp won't stop him.
My point is this. Between going for the Olympic and missing the chance to establish yourself as the No.1 in your new club, after the manager expressed his desire for you to stay is a no brainer.
The matter was brought up to the German Federation for discussion and they respected Karius' decision.
Beside, Karius probably also eager to have the chance to play at a World Class stadium like the Emirates on the opening day�
i think playing in the olympics will be good exposure...... he don't have to worry about playing at emirates, he should have many chances at that
but the basics are the same....
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Think we getting out of point here.
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My point is on not allowing a club (employer in your scenario) to financially gain by trading a player (employee in your scenario) to another club (employer) thru them when they never owned the player in the first place.
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There is no precedent in our local context and I also don't see any breach of employees rights etc as the employee could simply move from his current employer to the final destination employer without the need to go thru this intermediary employer so no comparison at all and also nothing to do with employee rewards, buying out of contract etc which is an entirely different matter altogether.
i think playing in the olympics will be good exposure...... he don't have to worry about playing at emirates, he should have many chances at that
But at Olympics he will be facing U21 or U23 teams right? Pit against the top strikers plying their trades in the BPL I think he can learn more.
I do agree Klopp is being selfish here but as long as Karius agrees, the German Federation agrees, everyone is happy.
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Napoli really know how to bargain and know a bad deal when they see one.
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Can't believe that the FA is speaking to Sam Allardyce for the vacant England Mgr post.
It's official from Sunderland FC website....
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The FA is all about consistency.
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They are always consistently picking
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bad managers for England.
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Why change now?
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I support Fat Sam for Engerland.
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If Big Sam lands the England job, Sunderland will target Moyes as the replacement.
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I wonder how many mirrors Sunderland fans broke.
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I just cannot wait to see Jermaine Defoe
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under Fat Sam.
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Paul Labile Pogba and Manchester United have agreed personal terms.
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I have nothing against Pogba
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but even Allen is better than him.
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I know cos I watched all the Euros.
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Think we getting out of point here.
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My point is on not allowing a club (employer in your scenario) to financially gain by trading a player (employee in your scenario) to another club (employer) thru them when they never owned the player in the first place.
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There is no precedent in our local context and I also don't see any breach of employees rights etc as the employee could simply move from his current employer to the final destination employer without the need to go thru this intermediary employer so no comparison at all and also nothing to do with employee rewards, buying out of contract etc which is an entirely different matter altogether.
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this gets me confused... man city buy the player, loan the player and club buy player for 7m.... thereafter man city buy for 14m.... unless i understand wrongly... i actually term it as man city paying the spanish club for developing the player�
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Don't think they do it for financial gain but more to hoard prospects...... good and bad i guess.....
this gets me confused... man city buy the player, loan the player and club buy player for 7m.... thereafter man city buy for 14m.... unless i understand wrongly... i actually term it as man city paying the spanish club for developing the player�
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Don't think they do it for financial gain but more to hoard prospects...... good and bad i guess.....
Although its not mentioned in bro O23 post, I'm assuming City bought him for less than 7m** so they will make�a profit when Sociedad is forced to buy him at the end of the season and that's what I feel is not correct cos City just a middleman in this transfer and earning a profit for nothing.
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As for the buy back of 14m, it's a fair and common practice amongst clubs to sell a player and put a buy back�clause which obviously has to be higher than the original price otherwise the selling club (Sociedad in this case) will not agree to it.�So nothing wrong with this.
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**Fair assumption that the buying price should be lower than 7m otherwise why would City want to embark on this at all if it's more than 7mil cos it would make no economic sense as�they will�be�losing money if it's more than 7mil.
Napoli really know how to bargain and know a bad deal when they see one.
I seriously doubt this rumour.
Firstly, even though Higuain might be a better striker than Giroud, he is not �42m better. Secondly, they are around the same age, so it really make no sense to trade up a striker for one who is as old. Thirdly, Giroud is currently getting higher wages than Higuain. Is Napoli going to offer him the same wage at least? If not, why would Giroud be interested in the move?
Close to �100m spent over 2 summers on young wingers.
Pep still has a keeper to sign
Although its not mentioned in bro O23 post, I'm assuming City bought him for less than 7m** so they will make�a profit when Sociedad is forced to buy him at the end of the season and that's what I feel is not correct cos City just a middleman in this transfer and earning a profit for nothing.
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City have signed Ger�nimo Rulli and will loan him to Sociedad with an obligation to buy for �7m. City will then have a buy-back clause. Rulli could remain with Real Sociedad until 2018 at which point City will exercise their buy-back clause and buy him for around �14m.�
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above is 023 post, i interpret as man city will confirm buy Rulli at 14m in 2018.
City have signed Ger�nimo Rulli and will loan him to Sociedad with an obligation to buy for �7m. City will then have a buy-back clause. Rulli could remain with Real Sociedad until 2018 at which point City will exercise their buy-back clause and buy him for around �14m.
above is 023 post, i interpret as man city will confirm buy Rulli at 14m in 2018.
If I remember correctly the source is AS? Sometimes the translation to English can be a little off. But since I didn't see the original article on Spainish, I can only take whatever is translated and share.
So my apology if there is error along the way :)
Ya, based on the above, my interpretation is the same as bro GS. Hence my comment about it being a very complicated transfer deal.
About this italian striker. Pelle whos not even first choice for at his former club southampton and who just made a move to shandong soccer team...and salary as much as zlatan ibramovic apparrently.
He was quote saying "it was always my chrismas wish to play for shandong. I have always followed them since i was a kid and now finally i have joined my dream club"
During this 8 and a half year stay at Liverpool, no player has scored more goals against Liverpool than Skrtel himself. 7 own goals.
City have signed Ger�nimo Rulli and will loan him to Sociedad with an obligation to buy for �7m. City will then have a buy-back clause. Rulli could remain with Real Sociedad until 2018 at which point City will exercise their buy-back clause and buy him for around �14m.
above is 023 post, i interpret as man city will confirm buy Rulli at 14m in 2018.
No club I know is silly enough to loan a player to another club for 1 season after which the club has to be buy this player for 7 mil n then another season or 2 later, the original club has to buy him back for double the price. Ask yourself whether this makes sense or not?
No club I know is silly enough to loan a player to another club for 1 season after which the club has to be buy this player for 7 mil n then another season or 2 later, the original club has to buy him back for double the price. Ask yourself whether this makes sense or not?
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First time a non-soccer club head the list. First time Pool is valued over �1b as well. But stil behind the Manchester clubs, Arsenal and Chelsea.
No club I know is silly enough to loan a player to another club for 1 season after which the club has to be buy this player for 7 mil n then another season or 2 later, the original club has to buy him back for double the price. Ask yourself whether this makes sense or not?
Erm... many things in football does not make sense... more so when moneybags start coming in
Anyway the interpretation is from what was posted, unless you have a better interpretation or article, we can only discuss based on what was posted...
No club I know is silly enough to loan a player to another club for 1 season after which the club has to be buy this player for 7 mil n then another season or 2 later, the original club has to buy him back for double the price. Ask yourself whether this makes sense or not?
Anyway, the original AS report here:
http://futbol.as.com...247_000497.html
Erm... many things in football does not make sense... more so when moneybags start coming in
Anyway the interpretation is from what was posted, unless you have a better interpretation or article, we can only discuss based on what was posted...
A few possibilities why it might be necessary to loan to Sociedad could be that the player is not able to get a work permit so loaned out to a foreign club first, another reason I can think of is he has some 3rd party ownership which is obliged to loan him to Sociedad first but either way the player can be loaned out to Sociedad even for free if needed but no need to sell to them n then buy back at double the price later.
Anyway even if my interpretation is wrong, the intention of my original post was for rules to not allow a club to buy n sell players immediately for a profit which was what I posted few times on n nvr did u mention about the obligation to buy back which would hv rendered my argument as flawed n instead u posted on the rights of an employee/player to switch employers/clubs??
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That was in relation to your suggestion of not allowing players to leave the club for a certain period after signing for the club
I seriously doubt this rumour.
Firstly, even though Higuain might be a better striker than Giroud, he is not �42m better. Secondly, they are around the same age, so it really make no sense to trade up a striker for one who is as old. Thirdly, Giroud is currently getting higher wages than Higuain. Is Napoli going to offer him the same wage at least? If not, why would Giroud be interested in the move?�
I think you are right. I also think its not true.
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In 2014, Deportivo Maldonado bought Rulli from Estudiantes and immediately loan him to Real Sociedad. Agreement was for Real to buy him outright after 2 seasons.
My guess is that Real Sociedad are now unable to fulfil the obligation and Man City have stepped in to "help". By buying over Rulli on behalf of Real, the obligation to Maldonado is fulfilled. Not needing the keeper, Man City offered him back on loan to Real but by next year, they must buy him from Man City. In another word, City helped Real to buy the player first effectively.
For their involvement in this deal, City get a non-obligatory clause to exercise a buy back by Jun 2018 and also, entitled to 25% of the sell on value of Rulli from Sociedad. In his contract with Real to be signed once Real buy him over next season, Rulli will have a buy out clause of �40m which equate to a �10m fee to City if Real manage to sell him on before the end of his contract with Real till 2022.
Hope this settles the debate. I think the buy back of �14m is the sticky point. Now being non-obligatory makes sense. The earlier source I believe translated it wrongly. Should have used "can" instead of "will" when talking about the buy back.
Edited by Osprey23, 15 July 2016 - 09:18 AM.
Spring,
That was in relation to your suggestion of not allowing players to leave the club for a certain period after signing for the club
Edited by Spring, 15 July 2016 - 09:28 AM.
Ok, after trying my best to understand the Google translate and doing some background research, I think I might be able to make some sense out of the whole mess.
In 2014, Deportivo Maldonado bought Rulli from Estudiantes and immediately loan him to Real Sociedad. Agreement was for Real to buy him outright after 2 seasons.
My guess is that Real Sociedad are now unable to fulfil the obligation and Man City have stepped in to "help". By buying over Rulli on behalf of Real, the obligation to Estudiantes is fulfilled. Not needing the keeper, Man City offered him back on loan to Real but by next year, they must buy him from Man City. In another word, City helped Real to buy the player first effectively.
For their involvement in this deal, City get a non-obligatory clause to exercise a buy back by Jun 2018 and also, entitled to 25% of the sell on value of Rulli from Sociedad. In his contract with Real to be signed once Real buy him over next season, Rulli will have a buy out clause of �40m which equate to a �10m fee to City if Real manage to sell him on before the end of his contract with Real till 2022.
Hope this settles the debate. I think the buy back of �14m is the sticky point. Now being non-obligatory makes sense
That's my original point, City making money out of this. Bigger club "helping out" a smaller club which shld be outlawed cos the smaller club would be indebted to the bigger team n possibly contradicts the rules of fair play.
Secondly, as u have mentioned, buy back clause is never obligatory which was why I posted that it makes no sense for City to be compelled to buy back a player at double the price. They may buy him back later if he proves a success but that will be at City's call and not an obligation.
Apologies for the many posts on this. Unlike many, I've nvr complained on City's excessive spending to improve their team cos that is their prerogative but to trade players for an instant profit, help out etc is against the spirit of the game.
Edited by Spring, 15 July 2016 - 09:31 AM.
ok ok. no need to discuss anymore. the situation is clear now. although i dont get why man city is so helpful in buying the player for sociedad.
ok ok. no need to discuss anymore. the situation is clear now. although i dont get why man city is so helpful in buying the player for sociedad.
Quite clear to me. They are effectively lending Sociedad money to buy this player.
In return, if the player turns out good, they get to buy him back, if Sociedad sells him they get a profit out of it. I'm also speculating the price paid is possibly slightly less than 7mil so the lending costs of 7mil is also covered. They lose nothing and possibly gain. Of course, this player must have shown some potential for City to want to do this.
Quite clear to me. They are effectively lending Sociedad money to buy this player.
In return, if the player turns out good, they get to buy him back, if Sociedad sells him they get a profit out of it. I'm also speculating the price paid is possibly slightly less than 7mil so the lending costs of 7mil is also covered. They lose nothing and possibly gain. Of course, this player must have shown some potential for City to want to do this.
By helping, they will now be on good term with Real Sociedad. Next time if there is any transfer deals, easier to negotiate. Not saying City will hold them indebted but just base on good will basis is good enough.
Depending how they want to play it, they can even help another club to get Rulli at lower than �40m release clause. Before buy back expires, buy Rulli at the agreed �14m then sell to the other club at �30m. Win win for both at the expense of Real Sociadad
To me, as far as clubs are playing in accordance to the rule book, I am ok for them to be more creative about doing transfers. Too much restrictions can be boring and lesser discussion on this thread LOL
Exactly, so u could hv told me why u talking about city making a profit out of this when there is no profit at all (based on your interpretation)so the rules I'm asking to be implemented is a non starter in the first place and thus players moving freely becomes a moot point.
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By helping, they will now be on good term with Real Sociedad. Next time if there is any transfer deals, easier to negotiate. Not saying City will hold them indebted but just base on good will basis is good enough.
Depending how they want to play it, they can even help another club to get Rulli at lower than �40m release clause. Before buy back expires, buy Rulli at the agreed �14m then sell to the other club at �30m. Win win for both at the expense of Real Sociadad
To me, as far as clubs are playing in accordance to the rule book, I am ok for them to be more creative about doing transfers. Too much restrictions can be boring and lesser discussion on this thread LOL
U hit the nail on the head, rich clubs cornering the market and exploiting it for their benefit which makes for an uneven playing field. I admit City has done no wrong n so it's up to the Football legislators to tweak rules on this as that's what they are there for.
Before someone comes n say it's never an even playing field in the first place cos some clubs got more money, my take is u can't legislate if someone wants to throw extravagant sums of money at a FC but u can legislate to ensure that the sport remains fair n not allow for exploitation by the bigger clubs which this case clearly is. Won't u be indebted to City if u were Sociedad as u wouldn't even be able to get this player without City's help!
PS. Vitesse Arnhem has an extraordinarily amount of loanees from Chelsea n both clubs were investigated by the Dutch FA for having an improper relationship but was cleared so admittedly it's not easy to prove n in their case is just straight forward loaning of players not like this.
http://www.skysports...iety-allegation
http://futbolgrad.co...sea-connection/
U hit the nail on the head, rich clubs cornering the market and exploiting it for their benefit which makes for an uneven playing field. I admit City has done no wrong n so it's up to the Football legislators to tweak rules on this as that's what they are there for.
Before someone comes n say it's never an even playing field in the first place cos some clubs got more money, my take is u can't legislate if someone wants to throw extravagant sums of money at a FC but u can legislate to ensure that the sport remains fair n not allow for exploitation by the bigger clubs which this case clearly is. Won't u be indebted to City if u were Sociedad as u wouldn't even be able to get this player without City's help!
PS. Vitesse Arnhem has an extraordinarily amount of loanees from Chelsea n both clubs were investigated by the Dutch FA for having an improper relationship but was cleared so admittedly it's not easy to prove n in their case is just straight forward loaning of players not like this.
http://www.skysports...iety-allegation
http://futbolgrad.co...sea-connection/must see from which club pov also.
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normal case if u not a fan of man c, or chel, u would see as them taking advantage of those small clubs.
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must see from which club pov also.
normal case if u not a fan of man c, or chel, u would see as them taking advantage of those small clubs.
but if u look from the pov of these small clubs, its a win win situation,
not to mention long run, maybe that season alone they having problem paying wages
with these deal with big clubs, at least they can hang on , till a big boss or sponcer come around
Agreed from the smaller club POV, it's God sent!
I'm looking from a neutral perspective n trying to make Football a level playing field where possible so that us Football lovers will continue to support the sport we all love.
Spring, you mean like how Dortmund is indebted to Bayern?
That one can't prove as so far nothing in the records shows any impropriety.
The City/ Sociedad case is blatant n worse than the Chelsea/Vitesse case cos City is clearly funding the player n is so upfront n bold. Football shouldn't close one eye on this n it shld trigger some investigation at the very least.
He has gone through ups and downs during his stay and eventually came back stronger to prove many critics wrong.
Bye Martin and I wish you well, be it here or Fenerbah�e.
Thks for the effort to search on this, much appreciated.
That's my original point, City making money out of this. Bigger club "helping out" a smaller club which shld be outlawed cos the smaller club would be indebted to the bigger team n possibly contradicts the rules of fair play.
Secondly, as u have mentioned, buy back clause is never obligatory which was why I posted that it makes no sense for City to be compelled to buy back a player at double the price. They may buy him back later if he proves a success but that will be at City's call and not an obligation.
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That one can't prove as so far nothing in the records shows any impropriety.
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That one can't prove as so far nothing in the records shows any impropriety.
The City/ Sociedad case is blatant n worse than the Chelsea/Vitesse case cos City is clearly funding the player n is so upfront n bold. Football shouldn't close one eye on this n it shld trigger some investigation at the very least.
City being rich, if they don't mind helping out, I really do not see any issue that merit investigation
Don't see any issue..in fact the player may be just a collateral for the loan
https://www.theguard...hampions-league
actually both already admitted there was a loan....
Good link! I was not aware of this. Then this is also not correct n shldnt be allowed.
Some of u feel it's perfectly OK for this arrangement ie loan n the City/Sociedad tie up, I guess it's up to the individual n their tolerance level. I suppose if the authorities are fine with it, I got no say then.
I am also fine with what man city is doing...
Don't see any issue..in fact the player may be just a collateral for the loan
City is in the Football business Leh not money lending right?
Have u ever wondered Why Sociedad don't borrow thru the normal means?
Hmm, what if it is Real Sociedad who approached City for help? Also, for this case, it is at most a contractual dispute between Maldonado and Real Sociedad if they can't buy the player. Man City stepping in merely avoided the legal tussle which is not going to benefit either club.
City being rich, if they don't mind helping out, I really do not see any issue that merit investigation
Maybe I'm being too suspicious but I don't believe a FC would lend another FC money with nothing in return and anyway as I mentioned, Football is a sport, not a money lending business so why can't Sociedad go to the bank n ask for a loan?
Good link! I was not aware of this. Then this is also not correct n shldnt be allowed.
Some of u feel it's perfectly OK for this arrangement ie loan n the City/Sociedad tie up, I guess it's up to the individual n their tolerance level. I suppose if the authorities are fine with it, I got no say then.
City is in the Football business Leh not money lending right?
Have u ever wondered Why Sociedad don't borrow thru the normal means?
Maybe I'm being too suspicious but I don't believe a FC would lend another FC money with nothing in return and anyway as I mentioned, Football is a sport, not a money lending business so why can't Sociedad go to the bank n ask for a loan?
Guess they max out liao and they are not Madrid or barca..
Likely man city has no money lending license thus the transfer was crafted so creatively
To me, can help just help but in match don't kelong can liao.... those outside of match like transfers, if want give priority to man city I no issue
Guess they max out liao and they are not Madrid or barca..
Likely man city has no money lending license thus the transfer was crafted so creatively
To me, can help just help but in match don't kelong can liao.... those outside of match like transfers, if want give priority to man city I no issueyep,
exactly wat i feel.
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account all done properly, no laws and rules broken
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big clubs need playing time for their players ( they got too many , youngester etc)
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some more, alot of those in football clubs know each other maybe from pass working experience at another club.
even if take loan in cash, they might be able to give better loans then bank.
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as we all know, banks are the biggest robber around.
only when u got no where to turn to, then u turn to banks.
Balotelli linked to a move to CSL but have to complete before today as it is their transfer deadline
I feel impelled to give plaudits to Martin skrtel for his years of service to LFC.
He has gone through ups and downs during his stay and eventually came back stronger to prove many critics wrong.
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same here. Thanks for the memories Skrtel. Those headed goals during the run-in games for the title in 2013-14 will stick forever in our memories. �We will choose to forget those wrestling moments in our own penalty box :p
Fingers crossed.
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Fingers crossed.
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All these people lending money and paying for players on loan... whereas my only concern is if Ars�ne will buy another striker... thinking about this and next season is giving me heartburns
While vardy decided to stay, 2 of their most impt players deciding to leave. Gd game liao la. Vardy n leicester will not enjoy next season
if wat the manager and club doing is correct , those players that want to leave.
should just cash in on them.
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with those money i am sure they will be able to get other replacement that suit the manager style.
if wat the manager and club doing is correct , those players that want to leave.
should just cash in on them.
they are all nobody b4 they go to leicester, after only 1 season, make a 10x profit.
good business.
with those money i am sure they will be able to get other replacement that suit the manager style.
I think they already got in the replacement for Kante and Mendy.
West Brom also came in with a bid of �9m for Schlupp. If he is sold, might have impact on Pool chasing Chilwell.
I think they already got in the replacement for Kante and Mendy.
West Brom also came in with a bid of �9m for Schlupp. If he is sold, might have impact on Pool chasing Chilwell.
Mendy as the replacement for Kante I mean.
The transfer soap opera of Zielinski should end liao, according to his agent, his mind is made but will only be talking to the clubs involved after his holidays.
http://paisleygates.com/?p=28304
Mendy as the replacement for Kante I mean.
The transfer soap opera of Zielinski should end liao, according to his agent, his mind is made but will only be talking to the clubs involved after his holidays.
http://paisleygates.com/?p=28304i think kante moving a a big risk, after all he only play in epl 1 season.
should take up a better contract and stay , if he perform as well this season and shine in the C.L
who knows , RM might come knocking.
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instead he go chel and miss out on C.L .
i think kante moving a a big risk, after all he only play in epl 1 season.
should take up a better contract and stay , if he perform as well this season and shine in the C.L
who knows , RM might come knocking.
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Its every boys dream to emultate their success
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http://www.telegraph...-talent-spotte/
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Marseille winger Georges-Kevin Nkoudou's move to Tottenham Hotspur is 99% done.
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But then a typical poch signing.... potential good player.. raw.
Tats y i doubt poch will wan2 sign gotze
Good news .... for both parties !
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I agree with Kante's decision, most of them go for money, so what CL football for him, is he is damn good, he can play anywhere he wanted, his is till young, not every prof footballer likes to play in CL . My 0.03cts
Making hay now is better than playing in CL football, if he perform well for Chelsea or even at any club football levels is great.
Obviously money is an attraction but frankly, Kante stands a better chance of success with Chelsea next season over Leicester who I doubt will even finish in the top 4 next season with their UCL commitments etc. So too me he sacrifices 1 yr of UCL Football for a chance of playing UCL consistently over the next 4 Seasons or so as he is playing with better players at Chelsea.
Good Luck to Leicester n may they prove me wrong!
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Doubt so yet.... not much rumours on this link yet.
But then a typical poch signing.... potential good player.. raw.
Tats y i doubt poch will wan2 sign gotze
Gotze is returning to BVB. The link with Spurs I don't think is true also. Probably agent faking it to try to negotiate a better contract with BVB.
Obviously money is an attraction but frankly, Kante stands a better chance of success with Chelsea next season over Leicester who I doubt will even finish in the top 4 next season with their UCL commitments etc. So too me he sacrifices 1 yr of UCL Football for a chance of playing UCL consistently over the next 4 Seasons or so as he is playing with better players at Chelsea.
Good Luck to Leicester n may they prove me wrong!
3 key players to Leicester's success last season.
Kante winning possession, Mahrez executing the counter, Vardy finishing the chance.
If both Kante and Mahrez are off, unlikely Leicester can replicate last season's success
3 key players to Leicester's success last season.
Kante winning possession, Mahrez executing the counter, Vardy finishing the chance.
If both Kante and Mahrez are off, unlikely Leicester can replicate last season's success
Fully agreed on the 3 pillars of Leicester's success last season. Even if Mahrez stays, losing Kante is like losing a battery so it is a big blow to them unfortunately.
BTW, Everton is crazy to ask �50mil + Bony for Stones. �50mil alone possibly since City paid thereabouts for Sterling last season but surely Bony is worth �15mil to �20mil at the very least?
Carrot head also not until like that mah hahais that temporary young english centre back released?
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heard that gomez is injured again? paper player again.....
Y do they need to sign a 30yr old back up player? Don they hv enuf cover?
Yes, Gomez suffered a setback from ACL. But this time round is Achilles' tendon I think.is that temporary young english centre back released?
heard that gomez is injured again? paper player again.....
Which young English CB?
Edited by Osprey23, 18 July 2016 - 08:28 AM.
Kolo released. Skrtel sold. Sakho and Gomez both injured. Ilori joining Portugal Olympic team. Left Lovren and Matip to start season
Yes, Gomez suffered a setback from ACL. But this time round is Achilles' tendon I think.
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guess the current injury situation forced Klopp's hand. �Matip also limped out of the game yesterday and there may reasonable doubts whether he can start every game week in week out.�
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Andre Wisdom, I think.
Another target that no jornos picked up until now when it is close.
Liverpool to sign Ragnar Klavan from Augsburg as defensive cover this week. 30-year-old cb. �4m-ish [Paul Joyce]
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Andre Wisdom, I think.
Didn't watch enough Newcastle games last season. But I guess when club in relegation fight, everyone will be affected some way or another.I know Wijnaldum scored against Pool before, but when i watched Newcastle after Rafa took over, i got the impression that he wasn't good, let alone great...
Did i miss anything? At �20million some more...
Rafa keen to do the deal. Dropped Wijnaldum from friendlies liao, possibly wrapped in cotton wool now
As for the price, just like in the case of Mane, I not too worried about overpaying. Importantly is Klopp getting who he wants.
Hehe, before anyone think that I am living the dream of having a sugar daddy owner, may I just clarify. Overpaying for player I am more ok because it is an one time cost and amortised over the length of the player's contract. It is paying high wages I am against. It is a recurring cost and most important, a huge stumbling block when trying to shift a player. Benteke is one good example. �32.5m we can still recoup quite a bit. His �140kpw, not sure if Palace is even willing to consider
Edited by Osprey23, 18 July 2016 - 09:02 AM.
Kolo released. Skrtel sold. Sakho and Gomez both injured. Ilori joining Portugal Olympic team. Left Lovren and Matip to start season
Yes, Gomez suffered a setback from ACL. But this time round is Achilles' tendon I think.
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may not be an englishman, my bad.
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he played few games as sub as was brought in last season as a backup CB. Not wisdom though.
may not be an englishman, my bad.
he played few games as sub as was brought in last season as a backup CB. Not wisdom though.
Oh Caulker. Ya, he was sent home before last season ended I think.
Wisdom still with us. Played as RB for the second half. Don't think he is good enough to stand in for Clyne. Defensively ok but can't really push forward to support attack. Pace in FBs are crucial in Klopp system imo.
Didn't watch enough Newcastle games last season. But I guess when club in relegation fight, everyone will be affected some way or another.
Rafa keen to do the deal. Dropped Wijnaldum from friendlies liao, possibly wrapped in cotton wool now
As for the price, just like in the case of Mane, I not too worried about overpaying. Importantly is Klopp getting who he wants.
Hehe, before anyone think that I am living the dream of having a sugar daddy owner, may I just clarify. Overpaying for player I am more ok because it is an one time cost and amortised over the length of the player's contract. It is paying high wages I am against. It is a recurring cost and most important, a huge stumbling block when trying to shift a player. Benteke is one good example. �32.5m we can still recoup quite a bit. His �140kpw, not sure if Palace is even willing to consider�
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may not be an englishman, my bad.
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he played few games as sub as was brought in last season as a backup CB. Not wisdom though.
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erh, i am not sure whether these newcastle midfielders are any good for pool. first, it was sissoko now it is this Wijnaldum The way newcastle played in the past will beg the question how these midfielders will fit in pool's game.
I think if these players are like 4th or 5th choice down the wanted list, I will prefer Klopp to make the most of its current players like henderson and Allen. I dun see how these replacement players are better than them to be honest.
With the failure to get Dahoud (unless miracle happens), Klopp might be holding back is 4-2-3-1 for another season. Wijnaldum will probably contest with Milner, Hendo, Can and Grujic for the 3 in a 4-3-2-1. Allen and Lucas likely will depart.
Let's see how this goes.
Edited by Osprey23, 18 July 2016 - 09:57 AM.
Sissoko is pure paper speculation I believe. Very shortly after it surfaced, a few Pool based jornos shot it down. Wijnaldum I believe is an alternative to Zielinski. We are done with the nonsense from Udinese.
With the failure to get Dahoud (unless miracle happens), Klopp might be holding back is 4-2-3-1 for another season. Wijnaldum will probably contest with Milner, Hendo, Can and Grujic for the 3 in a 4-3-2-1. Allen and Lucas likely will depart.
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i feel that if they hv to sell, it should b either allen or lucas. both of them will give their all when called upon. lucas has been an excellent servant to the club, longest serving current player. the club needs this kind of player, who identifies with what the club is all abt.
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it will b a shame to lose them both, n not knowing what the club can get fm the new players.
feel we should give allen another go instead of splashing cash. Allen played exceedingly well in the euros and proved that he can be one of the better midfielders around.
anyway, I am with you bro in terms of supporting klopp whatever his final decision is ...
For Allen, Klopp wants him to stay, just like most of us. However, it will be down to whether Klopp can offer him regular starting berth. Allen wants to leave primarily because of this.
So is this team considered Klopp's team or still not yet...
to be fair, a manager needs 2 summer transfer windows to somewhat assemble "his" team. 1 is hardly enough.
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http://www.telegraph...naldum-as-jurg/
Gotze is returning to BVB. The link with Spurs I don't think is true also. Probably agent faking it to try to negotiate a better contract with BVB.
On paper he din do too bad in munich. 30 plus goals in 90 plus games for a midfielder is pretty good stats actually.
to be fair, a manager needs 2 summer transfer windows to somewhat assemble "his" team. 1 is hardly enough.
Agree but some managers might be able to do it in one window if they are given unlimited funds. :)
Else, will take 2 or more windows.
Return to BVB will be best for him toe recover his form n reputation.
On paper he din do too bad in munich. 30 plus goals in 90 plus games for a midfielder is pretty good stats actually.�
he needs to find a club where he can play regularly. �he is too young to sit on the bench week in week out at BM.
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due to his coloured history including scoring a WC final goal, his head is abit swelled at the moment... just need to get back on earth and do what decent footballers do.. play...�
he needs to find a club where he can play regularly. �he is too young to sit on the bench week in week out at BM.
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due to his coloured history including scoring a WC final goal, his head is abit swelled at the moment... just need to get back on earth and do what decent footballers do.. play...�
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i think he is mentally not there yet..
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look at his instagram looks like he is more vain than DB7 or CR but his level not here not there...
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i think he is mentally not there yet..
look at his instagram looks like he is more vain than DB7 or CR but his level not here not there...
Poch likes raw talent who can be nutured and not the finished product though its good to have a has been superstar in your team
Sorry have to differ from some of you guys, I like Georginio Wijnaldum though I do agree 20mil sounds ex but the market is overall inflated so that's the going rate.
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He is different from Allen who is more�of a creator and Lucas who is more of a pure DM. This guy more all rounder with good technical skill, work rate and can score goals so would bring a different dimension to Pool. Actually I also rate Sissoko though 30mil is ridiculous. Why they didn't seem good at Newcastle is that overall the�Magpies are a poor team esp in defence so even put�Messi in the Toon team and he will look ordinary. I remember JM ever mentioned Wijnaldum is good enough to get into the Chelsea team as well!!��
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Agree but some managers might be able to do it in one window if they are given unlimited funds. :)
Else, will take 2 or more windows.�
LVG was given 4 window and unlimited funds.
He got thrown out of the window before his 5th comes...
Dat useless fella LVG - 4 window- get back into UCL and won FA cup nia..
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Dis is Klopp 2nd window ya, so let see what Klopp army will achieve after 4th window...
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Fully agreed on the 3 pillars of Leicester's success last season. Even if Mahrez stays, losing Kante is like losing a battery so it is a big blow to them unfortunately.
BTW, Everton is crazy to ask �50mil + Bony for Stones. �50mil alone possibly since City paid thereabouts for Sterling last season but surely Bony is worth �15mil to �20mil at the very least?
Carrot head also not until like that mah hahaAnd Argentina have very good players.
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All their first team are international players.
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Same situation at Belgium. Man U also has
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With or without World class players, football is still play with 11 vs 11.
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Agreed that football is a team game and that's what I meant that Messi alone (IMO)�can't lift a poor�Newcastle despite his obvious talent and anyway this�was brought into the discussion purely to justify Sissoko and Wijnaldum"s contribution (or lack of) to Newcastle ie if even Messi�can't lift Newcastle what more Sissoko and Wijnaldum?
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Anyway, I've made my�call on the 2 Newcastle guys and it's left to be seen whether they do move and�become good buys or not which was the point of the post.
If Man U comes in for Allen, I think we should
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let him go for an obscene amount of money.
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After all they can offer him European football
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and as we have all seen he is very good playing
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If Man U comes in for Allen, I think we should
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let him go for an obscene amount of money.
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and as we have all seen he is very good playing
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Man United got so many midfielders so I'm surprised they want Allen.�
Anyway, I don't see Allen accepting this move cos unlikely he will get a regular starting berth but then again in football, anything can happen.
Agreed that football is a team game and that's what I meant that Messi alone (IMO) can't lift a poor Newcastle despite his obvious talent and anyway this was brought into the discussion purely to justify Sissoko and Wijnaldum"s contribution (or lack of) to Newcastle ie if even Messi can't lift Newcastle what more Sissoko and Wijnaldum?
Anyway, I've made my call on the 2 Newcastle guys and it's left to be seen whether they do move and become good buys or not which was the point of the post.
yup, end of the day, the player must fit in and form a team. If that team cannot function, put in 11 WC players also will relegate.
Contribution wise, based on numbers alone, I think Wijnaldum definitely contributed his fair share in terms of goals and assists.
I definitely not against the signing. In fact I won't mind paying more to help an old friend at Newcastle to rebuild his team
Very interesting also to note that so far whenever Klopp missed out on his first choice, he splashed on the alternatives. Dembele -> Mane, Zielinski -> Wijnaldum. I am now hoping he misses out on Chilwell too. Lol
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Man United got so many midfielders so I'm surprised they want Allen.�
Anyway, I don't see Allen accepting this move cos unlikely he will get a regular starting berth but then again in football, anything can happen.
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But he is so much better than all the rest.
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yup, end of the day, the player must fit in and form a team. If that team cannot function, put in 11 WC players also will relegate.
Contribution wise, based on numbers alone, I think Wijnaldum definitely contributed his fair share in terms of goals and assists.
I definitely not against the signing. In fact I won't mind paying more to help an old friend at Newcastle to rebuild his team
Very interesting also to note that so far whenever Klopp missed out on his first choice, he splashed on the alternatives. Dembele -> Mane, Zielinski -> Wijnaldum. I am now hoping he misses out on Chilwell too. LolChilwell -> Hector haha!!
Actually that Portuguese LB Raphael Guerrero caught my eye at the Euros, good spot by Dortmund!!
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Haha good spot bro
Allen had a good tournament and is a good player, just that he needs a run of games to show his true worth!! Start, stop won't do him or his club any good I feel.
Chilwell -> Hector haha!!
Actually that Portuguese LB Raphael Guerrero caught my eye at the Euros, good spot by Dortmund!!
Haha good spot bro
Allen had a good tournament and is a good player, just that he needs a run of games to show his true worth!! Start, stop won't do him or his club any good I feel.
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Haha good spot bro
Allen had a good tournament and is a good player, just that he needs a run of games to show his true worth!! Start, stop won't do him or his club any good I feel.
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You have convinced me.�
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If Jose offered us 70m we should let him go.
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Taking the No.3 shirt, Sakho offered to sign shirts bearing his name and No.17 for fans
You have convinced me.
If Jose offered us 70m we should let him go.
You guys are really having fun hor...
I seriously dunno how anyone can come up with this rumour. Liverpool will rather play him in U21 than to sanction a deal.
Klopp wants him and Klavan in before the team depart for US
Zlatan�s reply couldn�t be more Zlatan if he tried.
�I admire Cantona. And I heard what he said. But I won�t be King of Manchester. I will be God of Manchester�
Deal for Wijnaldum is moving fast. Reports from Newcastle claiming that he is due on Merseyside soon.
Klopp wants him and Klavan in before the team depart for USHappy and lovin' it. Just like big mac.
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Tottenham consider Clinton N�Jie loan exit with �10.8m Georges-Kevin N�Koudou transfer being finalised
Also mentioned about interest in Wijnaldum but Poch unwilling to match Newcastle's asking price
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wear this to direct traffic? Such is the luminous green.
Deal for Wijnaldum is moving fast. Reports from Newcastle claiming that he is due on Merseyside soon.
Klopp wants him and Klavan in before the team depart for US�
wonder how Klopp will play Wijnaldum if he joins. he seems to be another of those attacking midfielders. �The forward line is quite flushed with attackers on the list - Fiminho, coutinho, lallana, Mane. �other players like Origi, Miner, Markovic all also capable of playing there too.
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if he comes, I expect at a minimum for Markovic to leave...�
wear this to direct traffic? Such is the luminous green.
Lol good idea. Might not have much chance to wear it for the team. Probably away to Bournemouth
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wonder how Klopp will play Wijnaldum if he joins. he seems to be another of those attacking midfielders. The forward line is quite flushed with attackers on the list - Fiminho, coutinho, lallana, Mane. other players like Origi, Miner, Markovic all also capable of playing there too.
if he comes, I expect at a minimum for Markovic to leave...
Best thing about Wijnaldum is that even Rafa is unsure about his best role and position.
Depending on Klopp but I believe Wijnaldum can be used as any of the 3 behind the striker in a 4-2-3-1 or any of the 3 across the midfield in a 4-3-2-1. He is that versatile apparently.
If Lucas and Allen leaves as expected, Wijnaldum could be used deeper imo.
Markovic's future remains a mystery. Jornos mainly are of the view that he is surplus to requirement but there is also whispers that the coaching teams see potential in him.
http://www.liverpool...klavan-11629987
He will be thrilled then to be part of the squad to start the season at Emirates
Best thing about Wijnaldum is that even Rafa is unsure about his best role and position.
Depending on Klopp but I believe Wijnaldum can be used as any of the 3 behind the striker in a 4-2-3-1 or any of the 3 across the midfield in a 4-3-2-1. He is that versatile apparently.
If Lucas and Allen leaves as expected, Wijnaldum could be used deeper imo.
Markovic's future remains a mystery. Jornos mainly are of the view that he is surplus to requirement but there is also whispers that the coaching teams see potential in him.�
he doesnt come across to me as a central midfielder to be honest. He likes to dribble and get into goal scoring position. a forward position might suit him better. that's my limited view based on my video clips lol..
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http://www.dailymail...ob-Holding.html
Mentioned about Arsenal's interest before. Wenger I guess still planning for Arsenal's long term. Top man
he doesnt come across to me as a central midfielder to be honest. He likes to dribble and get into goal scoring position. a forward position might suit him better. that's my limited view based on my video clips lol..
I feel we should give Markovic a chance. i see potential in him.
We didn't get enough goals from midfield last season and I think Klopp is trying to address that.
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Arsenal signing Rob Holding
http://www.dailymail...ob-Holding.html
Mentioned about Arsenal's interest before. Wenger I guess still planning for Arsenal's long term. Top man�
Yes... fits with our new team motto...
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But please please please... can't he just sign a striker?
everton fans face must be smiling big big this season.
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new manager , new big boss, aiming very high end players this season already.
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everton fans face must be smiling big big this season.
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new manager , new big boss, aiming very high end players this season already.
You are right that they are aiming high with names like Witsel, Mata and Bony being mentioned but so far they only signed Dutch goalie Maarten Stekelenburg.
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They also trying to get Leicester's Steve Walsh as their DoF, failing which Jordi Cruyff has been mentioned. All well and good as shows commitment by their new investor but it also shows that even with money, it's not easy to attract players. Limited supply of good players unfortunately.
everton fans face must be smiling big big this season.
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new manager , new big boss, aiming very high end players this season already.
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Btw any Everton fan here?�
http://m.thenorthern...rpool_interest/
According to the Northern Echo, Liverpool and Newcastle are still miles apart in term of the fee.
http://m.thenorthern...rpool_interest/Prices between parties will converge as we approach 31 August 2016. Now still early days for selling clubs to ask for the moon and beyond. ��
Prices between parties will converge as we approach 31 August 2016. Now still early days for selling clubs to ask for the moon and beyond.
Klopp doesn't want to wait that long. He wants the transfers sort out before leaving for USA tour.
Klavan... missing one A for my fav whisky.. keke
Everton are preparing a �30m move for Sporting Lisbon midfielder William Carvalho.
[Daily Mirror]
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Btw any Everton fan here?�
still waiting for some big boss to see up leeds. haiz.
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if any boss take over, and bring leeds back to epl. I promise to buy all their jersey
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I swear man .
Klopp doesn't want to wait that long. He wants the transfers sort out before leaving for USA tour.
Yes, pushing very hard on this deal now. Media reporting no bid yet is correct as both clubs are trying to trash out the fee before formal bid. Newcastle might want Flanno and Lucas, according to some reports.
Klavan's medical later.
I will give him slight discount, and am willing to deal if he offers 60m�
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60m?.... no thanks... even Man U got $$ to burn also not gonna happen...
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Agree that Joe Allen got a good campaign at the Euro.... is more like he(& everyone in the Wales team) has over-perform at the Euro as it was a rare opportunity for Wales to finally take part in such a tournament & they all gasp it with both hands & legs
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I doubt he can replicate this form at club level... I would rather stick with Schneiderlin who hopefully under Mourinho will find back his form during his Saints days.�
Spurs closing in onto their third signing
still waiting for some big boss to see up leeds. haiz.
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if any boss take over, and bring leeds back to epl. I promise to buy all their jersey
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I swear man .
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You are leeds supporter? I thought Leeds was bought by a Italian?�
Stoke City have made an official �20m bid for West Brom striker Saido Berahino. (Source: Sky Sports)
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Stoke City have made an official �20m bid for West Brom striker Saido Berahino. (Source: Sky Sports)
�I read Stoke wants Robin van Persie??
Glad to hear Kante has moved to bigger club. He likes blue colour it seems.
Any big names going to MLS?
Glad to hear Kante has moved to bigger club. He likes blue colour it seems.�
He's doing that (like blue) to show his National coach. Being politically correct�
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Giroud on the other hand not impressing on that front...
https://www.theguard...pogba-juventus?
Won't do in a midfield 2 but certainly fit the wide role of a midfield 3, usually LCM. His powerful runs and dribbles from deeper position will be useful, in terms of transition and also as a goal scoring threat. The player most difficult for defense to pick up is one that runs from deep.
We didn't get enough goals from midfield last season and I think Klopp is trying to address that.
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Newcastle demanding a lump sum payment for Wijnaldum.
http://www.liverpool...y-lump-11634269
Looks like everyone trying to eat Pool ....
Don't buy lah ...
Looks like everyone trying to eat Pool ....
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agreed. �if expensive, pls dun buy... hardly a proven player and anything > 20M looks over the top. true that he scored 11 goals but he hardly light up the matches in which he din score.. �
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Juventus wants �100m for Pogba. Will only deal if Pogba wants the move
https://www.theguard...pogba-juventus?�
Happy that ManU want to pay 100m for Pogba. Especially knowing that they let him go for free
well after all the hoo haa.
mahrez might be staying after all.
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He's had a fantastic season. Wish we can swap Walcott plus cash for him
looks like Mourinho is enhancing his unwanted reputation of short term success by going to sell the Man Utd youngsters to make room for the new established players he's buying
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The pictures say it all, either 2 years or�3years, cannot be 8 years right?�
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Refused to increase more money for Proba in the current 100 million pound...
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http://m.thenorthern...more_uncertain/
�25m agreed according to report, structure of payment the sticking point. No player from Liverpool in the deal
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Juventus have rejected Manchester United's �100m bid for Paul Pogba. They want �120m. (Source: Eurosport)
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That is really silly money to splash out on Pogba. Watched him during the Euro. Nothing fantastic. In fact the only player from the French team that caught my eye was Kante.�
Juventus have rejected Manchester United's �100m bid for Paul Pogba. They want �120m. (Source: Eurosport)
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So Man U trying to be the Real/Barca of EPL?
That is really silly money to splash out on Pogba. Watched him during the Euro. Nothing fantastic. In fact the only player from the French team that caught my eye was Kante.
Actually Payet n Griezmann also played well for France n caught the eye as well besides Kante. Pogba played deeper than where he shld be playing n hence couldn't stand out but I do agree �100mil is ridiculousJuventus have rejected Manchester United's �100m bid for Paul Pogba. They want �120m. (Source: Eurosport)
Great news, according to L'Equipe, Man Utd have agreed to pay �120m for Pogba.
Great news, according to L'Equipe, Man Utd have agreed to pay �120m for Pogba.
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Great news, according to L'Equipe, Man Utd have agreed to pay �120m for Pogba.
Noooooooo!!!!!!!!! I really hope Im wrong, but pogba will be the most expensive flop ever in the history of football.....
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Not such a great news. Though no official confirmation, ie, MU has not notified the Stock Exchange, but it is all over the news and tabloids that Pogba deal IS done.
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Not sure if it works out to be a deal that makes sporting and commercial senses, but as some journalists had pointed out, MU makes a big statement of intent. Maybe for the 1st time in history that RM shied away from a bidding war with an English club, mainly due to the price tags given out by MU right from the beginning.
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Now it's MU will get its man, if it wants to. Step aside and eat your hearts out! RM, BM, Bacca, MC & Chelsea. The rest are not worth mentioning in the same breadth or sentence. My bad, no offences and thousand apologies.
Happy that ManU want to pay 100m for Pogba. Especially knowing that they let him go for free �
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Of course ball is round so anything can happen and he has gotten the sack before.
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That said, their team looking much stronger than last season on paper at least so now up to the new signings to settle in and for JM�to impart his philosophy onto the team and for them to buy into it quickly. I believe he should have learnt from his setback last season and directors like Charlton will ensure his antics are kept to the minimum so I believe they will do well next season.
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No more Philosophy preash
For me its a case of who is throwing the money. If it is wenger or feguson then I am all for it because they always put the club first. Same goes to Klopp too. The special one I dont trust him because he is into himself and himself only. He doesnt care about the club at all. All he cares is how great himself is and as long as he has success. Yes the chairman and directors are partly at fault for allowing it but if the manager put the club first, he will reject spending this kind of money if it means the club's future is at risk.
But hor, if JM wants glory and immediate success, that suits Man Utd too. He being successful meaning club is successful.
Perfect match
I just checked out his Wiki.
5 of the named players, 3 transferred to Man United in this window,
Huat, Huat, and Huat ah!�
No wonder lah...
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Bao nobody wants. Cos the agent busy making big $$ from selling other players under him to those who are willing to pay big $$.
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Actually i think Balo scored hat trick against ManU before? Should ask the Raiola guy to peddle Balo to ManU too... we lose a bit, sell at 15m lah...
No more Philosophy preash
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His philosophy of putting pressure on refs, expecting midfielders to track back, parking the bus when necessary, siege mentality and more. If you are tired of LvG's philosophies, you haven't seen anything yet haha.
But hor, if JM wants glory and immediate success, that suits Man Utd too. He being successful meaning club is successful.
Perfect match�
I am thinking more like both are scums and a**holes hence perfect match�
Paul Joyce (The Express) reporting Wijnaldum 25M deal is done and he will join Pool on their tour...�
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I'm still waiting for Pool to buy a striker ... hmmm.
that's why I'm a fan of football and not any football clubs
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other the matches, it's also fun to see rival club fans quarrelling with each others, kelong refereeing, Messi v Ronaldo best player debate, minnows upsetting giants, etc
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Its always amusing watching people put other clubs/teams down, especially over the internet.�
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Anybody can call himself a fan of a club. Other than your (minuscule) donation in the form of a jersey or some merchandise purchase, the success of the club has absolutely nothing to do with you.�
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Could this be true? Arsenal want Mauro Emanuel Icardi Rivero. Via . http://1.ftb.al/zNTc/DaLwWOiobv
So much "Class" shown lately in this thread... wow...
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I think quite possible. From what I read Higuain and Morata are the top 2 choices but their clubs asking for the sky. Icardi more affordable and more value as he is younger and smells of Wenger kind of signing all day, good luck!!
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true... 62m for Morata rejected and Napoli want to meet release clause of 72m for Higuain...
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Not that this deal at 42m is any cheap also... but I think this is better than swap Giroud plus cash for Higuain... I like Giroud... hope they sell Walcott instead�
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Nowadays, no more chances for Wenger to buy at 2-10m and sell at 20-25m... those days are long gone.
true... 62m for Morata rejected and Napoli want to meet release clause of 72m for Higuain...
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Not that this deal at 42m is any cheap also... but I think this is better than swap Giroud plus cash for Higuain... I like Giroud... hope they sell Walcott instead�
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Nowadays, no more chances for Wenger to buy at 2-10m and sell at 20-25m... those days are long gone.
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Wenger likes Giroud so no way he will be traded in. Anyway, I believe the striker Gunners are after is to supplement Giroud and not replace him.
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Morata is a good player but nowhere near 60mil even in this inflated market. Higuain I don't really fancy�cos his conversion rate is no where near where�a player of his caliber should be at though he is a marque player and Argentina 1st choice striker and age against him as well.
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Icardi could be the answer but I've not seen much of him to comment but he seems to be the nippy kind of striker which could complement the stronger Giroud.
I just signed a 2 year extension with Singtel after the recent Manyoo acquisitions (I'm a manyoo fan). Hope makes people irrational
Worth extending lah, next season will be exciting. Even I am tempted lol
Wenger likes Giroud so no way he will be traded in. Anyway, I believe the striker Gunners are after is to supplement Giroud and not replace him.
Morata is a good player but nowhere near 60mil even in this inflated market. Higuain I don't really fancy cos his conversion rate is no where near where a player of his caliber should be at though he is a marque player and Argentina 1st choice striker and age against him as well.
Icardi could be the answer but I've not seen much of him to comment but he seems to be the nippy kind of striker which could complement the stronger Giroud.
How to complement when he is a 4-2-3-1 manager? Change his tactics in his final season? Quite unlikely imo
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I would like to say Man U got a very good player in Pogba.
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How to complement when he is a 4-2-3-1 manager? Change his tactics in his final season? Quite unlikely imo
What I mean is sometimes you don't need a big striker or he is getting nowhere against�equally big defenders so on comes a nippy striker like Icardi** to bring a different dimension to the team by using his pace, being at the shoulder of the last man etc something like Defoe.�Gunners don't really have an alternative now though Walcott is supposed to be but I'm on record here as saying he is not a striker IMO.
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I would also like to say 37 m for Mane and 27 m for Whatshisname
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like Mr Wenger? For me I would rather have these silly money players.
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What I mean is sometimes you don't need a big striker or he is getting nowhere against equally big defenders so on comes a nippy striker like Icardi** to bring a different dimension to the team by using his pace, being at the shoulder of the last man etc something like Defoe. Gunners don't really have an alternative now though Walcott is supposed to be but I'm on record here as saying he is not a striker IMO.
**Disclaimer: Ive not seen Icardi much to say he is a Defoe but he looks like one.
Ok. My take is that if Wenger really splash on Icardi, Giroud likely to be benched.
If ManU spend so much now and can't qualify for UCL after 2016/17 season, will JM get the sack ....
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Those lesser spend teams get to go UCL, the board�directors of ManU lagi tulan ...
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Lol, this had happened last season' isn't it?� Leicester City and Tottenham Hotspurs occupying 2 slots from the UCL...
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Well said James, me too!
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We are football fans so obviously we want better players to give our teams a better chance of success. Will these players be better? I don't know but like most fans, I have an opinion but more importantly it is my club Mgr whose opinion matters most and so I expect the Club Board to support him. Money in the bank doesn't benefit me the fan though of course it is needed for club sustainability I fully understand. Cheers!!
Ok. My take is that if Wenger really splash on Icardi, Giroud likely to be benched.
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You could be right but I feel Giroud will still be first choice if Icardi comes. Higuain n Morata, those 2 may replace him if they were bought though. Let's see and bodes for an exciting season ahead with so many comings n goings and a possible World record fee being paid.
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JM holding a press conference now in China and he is warning Juve that United may move to other targets if they dither. Typical straight talking Jose haha.
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http://www.mirror.co...ce-live-8461281
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You could be right but I feel Giroud will still be first choice if Icardi comes. Higuain n Morata, those 2 may replace him if they were bought though. Let's see and bodes for an exciting season ahead with so many comings n goings and a possible World record fee being paid.
JM holding a press conference now in China and he is warning Juve that United may move to other targets if they dither. Typical straight talking Jose haha.
http://www.mirror.co...ce-live-8461281
Juventus stalling? I thought report saying bid accepted?
Juventus stalling? I thought report saying bid accepted?
No its not finalised yet. Apparently Juve is holding out (prolly for more money?). But I think the deal will go though
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can anyone teach me how to pronounce his bladdy name ?
wee-na-dum ?
Not too sure bro but I think you should be quite close
I would also like to say 37 m for Mane and 27 m for Whatshisname
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Better spend and bring in ppl, rather than don't spend ...
Looks like the French papers really jumping the gun.
to be frank although we all say its crazy and waste of money for man u to pay 100m and ++ for pogba
deep in our heart we wish our club would do some thing like this LOL.
some club got money , but simply love to see them sitting in the banks ( we all know who ).
while other cannot afford. haiz..
Who? Liverpool ar?
can anyone teach me how to pronounce his bladdy name ?
wee-na-dum ?
Why-Nor-Derm
Must stop living in the past..lol
So much "Class" shown lately in this thread... wow...
wahahahahaha,
None shown more than you it seems. Muahahaha
Why pool fans like to say wenger niao... past 4 seasons he paid above 30m and 40m for outfield players and cech at 10m is like top 10 most expensive keeper of all time
Must stop living in the past..lol
Is more like reputation I guess. If one per season, then he used his quota on Xhaka liao.
Top class striker still crucial for Wenger I feel. But even if he is willing to spend, not many available at reasonable price.
For once, our blue neighbours have moved ahead of us in one aspect.
Ok. My take is that if Wenger really splash on Icardi, Giroud likely to be benched.
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Juventus stalling? I thought report saying bid accepted?
Pogba's agent posted in social media nothing done yet so looks like more drama.
Juventus greedy I feel though it's their prerogative cos �100mil is unheard of to get for a single player as surely he isn't worth 3x Kante?
http://www.mirror.co...-united-8463631
Pogba's agent posted in social media nothing done yet so looks like more drama.
Juventus greedy I feel though it's their prerogative cos �100mil is unheard of to get for a single player as surely he isn't worth 3x Kante?
http://www.mirror.co...-united-8463631
Seriously don't think the issue is with Juventus. They are more than willing to sell at that price. Pogba wise, I am not sure. Hearing two versions but since I don't have reliable source on Man Utd, I won't know which is more accurate.
I don't really understand ah seng's thinking, Giroud had played very well for france Euro cup, yet back to epl, he will not be first choice striker in arsenal team.
If he see Icardi bery up, then it must has certain truth in him, for all i care Arsenal has to sell 1st in order to slurp. that is their mentality.
Remb last season when Arsenal fans were holding up banner behind the Arsenal's bench, indicating " Buy Buy Buy " Arsenal hierarchy has such a manager who firmly believe in Ah Seng, and not any ordinary ah seng.
I believe I shared before. Arsenal created the highest number of goal scoring chances last season but the goal conversion rate is low. Base on this alone, the striker will surely take the bulk of blame.
Seriously don't think the issue is with Juventus. They are more than willing to sell at that price. Pogba wise, I am not sure. Hearing two versions but since I don't have reliable source on Man Utd, I won't know which is more accurate.
You could be right that it's Pogba that is hesitating so perhaps I'm jumping the gun to say Juve greedy!
Wijnaldum is currently at Melwood doing medical. Will join up with the squad in US after all the formalities
Neil Jone Echo reported that Gini Wijnaldum will have a medical on Merseyside tomorrow, before flying out to join the team in America. Deal is agreed. �23m plus �2m addons
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Why pool fans like to say wenger niao... past 4 seasons he paid above 30m and 40m for outfield players and cech at 10m is like top 10 most expensive keeper of all time
Must stop living in the past..lol40,000,0001 for cannibal
Man Utd got their God. City answer with getting Jesus.
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Very reliable journalist Gerard Romero says Gabriel Jesus is heading to Manchester City.
Man Utd got their God. City answer with getting Jesus.
I believe I shared before. Arsenal created the highest number of goal scoring chances last season but the goal conversion rate is low. Base on this alone, the striker will surely take the bulk of blame.
He have truly train the team to assist and not to shoot. Just ask Henry y he have to pass that PK to his team mate instead of shooting it :)
How many Jesuses City need? Already got one Jesus Navas still not enough?
Because citeh don't know who is the real messiah so they try to sign as many as they can
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Yahoo : Red cards for referee abuse introduced as Premier League tackles 'intolerable behaviour'
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The Premier League, English Football League and Football Association have outlined new laws to target "intolerable behaviour" in English football.
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Beginning this season, red cards will now be issued to players who aim offensive or abusive language or gestures at referees during matches.
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Behaviour in technical areas will also be more strictly enforced as part of the plans to curb poor conduct, which the Premier League claims has reached "unacceptable levels".�
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The highest number of yellow cards accrued by one team for dissent in the Premier League last season was West Brom, who picked up nine.
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"We and our clubs have been discussing for some time concerns that certain elements of player behaviour are overstepping the mark and it is our collective position that these types of behaviour should no longer be tolerated," said Premier League chief executive Richard Scudamore.
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Bacca is holding out for Sevilla, his preferred destination over West Ham.
Joe Allen has yet to decide if he wants a move to Stoke, who already has a bid accepted by Liverpool
You could be right that it's Pogba that is hesitating so perhaps I'm jumping the gun to say Juve greedy!
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Bro, based on what I read in the various papers, I believe manyoo, Juve and Pogba have all agreed the fees and salary.
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The hold-up�was due to the fee payable to the greedy agent, Mino Raiola. Manyoo do not want to pay his full 18m fee and want to split with Juve, but Juve do not want to pay a cent to Raiola. If you read Raiola's tweet yesterday, he told the media the transfer was not done yet, followed by a "bla bla bla". He wanted the football word to know his agent fee was not resolved yet I think.
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Bro, based on what I read in the various papers, I believe manyoo, Juve and Pogba have all agreed the fees and salary.
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The hold-up�was due to the fee payable to the greedy agent, Mino Raiola. Manyoo do not want to pay his full 18m fee and want to split with Juve, but Juve do not want to pay a cent to Raiola. If you read Raiola's tweet yesterday, he told the media the transfer was not done yet, followed by a "bla bla bla". He wanted the football word to know his agent fee was not resolved yet I think.
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One word ... "Greed" ...
Mino did not ask for more just because it is Man Utd. His agent fee is made known, and that makes Real Madrid think twice and left the table.
Bro, based on what I read in the various papers, I believe manyoo, Juve and Pogba have all agreed the fees and salary.
The hold-up was due to the fee payable to the greedy agent, Mino Raiola. Manyoo do not want to pay his full 18m fee and want to split with Juve, but Juve do not want to pay a cent to Raiola. If you read Raiola's tweet yesterday, he told the media the transfer was not done yet, followed by a "bla bla bla". He wanted the football word to know his agent fee was not resolved yet I think.
Tks for the info bro! Goes to show its not easy to conclude a transfer as a lot of money n people involved. Easy for us fans to say pay abit more, don't be tight fisted etc which I'm particularly guilty of haha.
Anyway, I believe it Shld be concluded one way or other n u guys looking very strong indeed. BTW, u have indirectly funded this transfer via your MIO TV subscription lolIf I recalled, Lovren, Lucas, Ings?
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Of these, I can understand why Lucas -- he's the most longest-serving and was captain on a few occasions in last season and in the past. So it's like an obligation if he's playing when the designated ones are not. But we all know there's a chance he might move, and even if he doesn't, he is unlikely to be an automatic starter.�
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Lovren... Tot there were criticism of his command of the defence esp before mid-season of 15/16, and that back in Southampton, it was Fonte who was the leader... Did he fare well?
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Ings: i suspect he was captain only because the whole team was made up of youngsters or new-comers?
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Wonder who will be the new captain candidate, and who can really command respect...
Of these, I can understand why Lucas -- he's the most longest-serving and was captain on a few occasions in last season and in the past. So it's like an obligation if he's playing when the designated ones are not. But we all know there's a chance he might move, and even if he doesn't, he is unlikely to be an automatic starter.�
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Yes, usually Ings is a 2nd half sub, replacing Firmino as lone striker. First half Klopp will usually put his prefer starting. As for Lovren, he played on the left side of centre defence with Matip on his right. I saw him played a lot of direct balls forward while Matip tried to push forward with the ball.�
None shown more than you it seems. Muahahaha
Nah.. subjective. There's a diff between bantering and insulting, aniwae, thanks for your comments. NEXT... LOL
I don't really understand ah seng's thinking, Giroud had played very well for france Euro cup, yet back to epl, he will not be first choice striker in arsenal team.
If he see Icardi bery up, then it must has certain truth in him, for all i care Arsenal has to sell 1st in order to slurp. that is their mentality.
Remb last season when Arsenal fans were holding up banner behind the Arsenal's bench, indicating " Buy Buy Buy " Arsenal hierarchy has such a manager who firmly believe in Ah Seng, and not any ordinary ah seng.
Last 2 seasons who he sold before he buy?
40,000,0001 for cannibal
Still better than 35m for andy carroll....lol
Of these, I can understand why Lucas -- he's the most longest-serving and was captain on a few occasions in last season and in the past. So it's like an obligation if he's playing when the designated ones are not. But we all know there's a chance he might move, and even if he doesn't, he is unlikely to be an automatic starter.
Lovren... Tot there were criticism of his command of the defence esp before mid-season of 15/16, and that back in Southampton, it was Fonte who was the leader... Did he fare well?
Ings: i suspect he was captain only because the whole team was made up of youngsters or new-comers?
Wonder who will be the new captain candidate, and who can really command respect...
Lovren although improved under Klopp, I am still not convince he is a leader. Probably only BR thinks he is.
If I can have a say, will give it to Sakho.
Still better than 35m for andy carroll....lol
How to compare? One is a grossly insulting bid that was rejected and the other is a desperate move to secure a replacement.
How many Jesuses City need? Already got one Jesus Navas still not enough?
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Jesus we need a goal so the manager
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This is really a good signing for them. Many top clubs eyeing Boufal but none has made a concrete offer.
Lucas is attracting interest from Galatasary. Reported a �2.5m offer has been made.
Lovren although improved under Klopp, I am still not convince he is a leader. Probably only BR thinks he is.
If I can have a say, will give it to Sakho.�
Sigh... sad if Lucas were to go, and sadder that he's attracting so low bid...
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I too still have my reservation about Lovren. See if he'll change my opinion.
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What? you want to make Sakho the Prime Minister?
Sigh... sad if Lucas were to go, and sadder that he's attracting so low bid...
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I too still have my reservation about Lovren. See if he'll change my opinion.
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What? you want to make Sakho the Prime Minister?
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Sakho will be the president of Liverpool country
Lucas is attracting interest from Galatasary. Reported a �2.5m offer has been made.
Lovren although improved under Klopp, I am still not convince he is a leader. Probably only BR thinks he is.
If I can have a say, will give it to Sakho.�
Agree. I will choose Sakho too as Captain. If not it will Can. But Sakho is really a natural leader and he is not the youngest PSG captain for nothing.�
Sakho will be the president of Liverpool country
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In UK, only got prime minister lah, only in France then got president lor...
Agree. I will choose Sakho too as Captain. If not it will Can. But Sakho is really a natural leader and he is not the youngest PSG captain for nothing.�
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But i still a bit worried about him leh. Guess i cannot get out of my system the way his body contorts when he kicks the ball, and the way he used to put teammates under pressure by releasing a desperate pass only when he himself under pressure... I would have sold him instead of making him captain, if he hasn't played better in the last 2 seasons...
But i still a bit worried about him leh. Guess i cannot get out of my system the way his body contorts when he kicks the ball, and the way he used to put teammates under pressure by releasing a desperate pass only when he himself under pressure... I would have sold him instead of making him captain, if he hasn't played better in the last 2 seasons...
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His style is really unorthodox, thats all I can say
How to compare? One is a grossly insulting bid that was rejected and the other is a desperate move to secure a replacement.
Still cost more from ngiao piow arsenal as compared to generous pool
Nah.. subjective. There's a diff between bantering and insulting, aniwae, thanks for your comments. NEXT... LOL
If I was Everton I would go for Mata.
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He is very good but unloved by Jose.
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If I was Everton I would go for Mata.
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He is very good but unloved by Jose.
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They are waiting for lelong sales leh...
Once Pogba deal is sealed, ManU have to sell in order to cover back the burnt hole..
This is where lelong sales start...
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If I was Everton I would go for Mata.
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He is very good but unloved by Jose.
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Does Conte rate him? Maybe can consider go back Chelski since his nemesis not there anymore??
wat the hell for??? they hv karius n mignolet. n then let bogdan go on loan......n then sign an old man??
Does Conte rate him? Maybe can consider go back Chelski since his nemesis not there anymore??
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Conte plays 3 3 4
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wat the hell for??? they hv karius n mignolet. n then let bogdan go on loan......n then sign an old man??
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then need the old Mann to be a sub.
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wat the hell for??? they hv karius n mignolet. n then let bogdan go on loan......n then sign an old man??
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my take. There has been a distinct lack of character and steel in our team after all the old folks left ....... Manninger and Ragnar might bring some stability and experience to the team (especially defence). might not necessary be on pitch ....�
Does Conte rate him? Maybe can consider go back Chelski since his nemesis not there anymore??
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Chelsea have a lot of midfielders (Oscar, Willian, Hazard amongst others) and for the playmaker role which Mata favours, they already have Fabregas whose own position is said to be shaky so don't see how he can go back.
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I rate Mata for his strengths of being creator and scorer of goals but I guess in the modern context of midfielders where they are expected to do tracking and cover of ground, he is lacking in these depts and hence he�maybe better off at�clubs whose expectations of a creator are not so demanding.
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Yup experience and stability.
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any keeper better than old Mann please
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I don't see how the defender can stop him from heading the ball... With his size, even if botak was around to do wrestling, also might not stop him�
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Still cost more from ngiao piow arsenal as compared to generous pool
In recent years, Arsenal certainly is spending more. Focus on one big signing to improve the squad. This is the right way to do it when the spine of the team is already there. This can only be achieved when there is stability and continuity as well.
Pool are spending but even record fee of �35m is lesser than Arsenal's. We have been transiting and wasting stupid money due to managerial changes every 1-3 years.
I have a feeling Wenger will go all out for a striker in this summer.
Then i suggest we sign this guy instead�
I don't see how the defender can stop him from heading the ball... With his size, even if botak was around to do wrestling, also might not stop him�
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In recent years, Arsenal certainly is spending more. Focus on one big signing to improve the squad. This is the right way to do it when the spine of the team is already there. This can only be achieved when there is stability and continuity as well.
Pool are spending but even record fee of �35m is lesser than Arsenal's. We have been transiting and wasting stupid money due to managerial changes every 1-3 years.
I have a feeling Wenger will go all out for a striker in this summer.�
I tot he already bought?
That jap guy?�
Should be a case closed for that position for this transfer market liao.
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Help gunner to save another handsome money.
In recent years, Arsenal certainly is spending more. Focus on one big signing to improve the squad. This is the right way to do it when the spine of the team is already there. This can only be achieved when there is stability and continuity as well.
Pool are spending but even record fee of �35m is lesser than Arsenal's. We have been transiting and wasting stupid money due to managerial changes every 1-3 years.
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If all the good strikers already taken
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I tot he already bought?
That jap guy?�
Should be a case closed for that position for this transfer market liao.
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wat the hell for??? they hv karius n mignolet. n then let bogdan go on loan......n then sign an old man??
Bogdan knows he will not even be in the squad on match days so request to leave. Ward has to go out loan to develop.
Haha quick sign him up. If we need a last minute goal
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wat the hell for??? they hv karius n mignolet. n then let bogdan go on loan......n then sign an old man??
Bogdan has no future with us liao. Ward and Fulton both loaned out to gain first team experience.
Manninger signed as 3rd choice is ok imo. Don't think he is asking much on the wage front as well
In recent years, Arsenal certainly is spending more. Focus on one big signing to improve the squad. This is the right way to do it when the spine of the team is already there. This can only be achieved when there is stability and continuity as well.
Pool are spending but even record fee of �35m is lesser than Arsenal's. We have been transiting and wasting stupid money due to managerial changes every 1-3 years.
I have a feeling Wenger will go all out for a striker in this summer.
I am sure he has been looking for a striker past 2 reasons but either the asking price is crazy or the player is not interested
Paying 20+m for vardy was already something not associated with the old wenger
I tot he already bought?
That jap guy?
Should be a case closed for that position for this transfer market liao.
Help gunner to save another handsome money.
I mean he is likely to splash big on a big name striker. That Jap boy I don't think fit the bill leh. Unless Wenger really found a gem hidden in the Far East that escaped everyone's eyes
I mean he is likely to splash big on a big name striker. That Jap boy I don't think fit the bill leh. Unless Wenger really found a gem hidden in the Far East that escaped everyone's eyes
Asia now is the new untapped market,.not sure how good asians will be though
I am sure he has been looking for a striker past 2 reasons but either the asking price is crazy or the player is not interested
Paying 20+m for vardy was already something not associated with the old wenger
Sometimes just have to bite the bullet and pay the silly money for once if the player is suited and interested to join. Arsenal consistently in UCL and in London, already in advantage when compared to clubs like Liverpool liao
In recent years, Arsenal certainly is spending more. Focus on one big signing to improve the squad. This is the right way to do it when the spine of the team is already there. This can only be achieved when there is stability and continuity as well.
Pool are spending but even record fee of �35m is lesser than Arsenal's. We have been transiting and wasting stupid money due to managerial changes every 1-3 years.
I have a feeling Wenger will go all out for a striker in this summer.�
I do acknowledge that there is no necessity to buy just for the sake of buying nor does big signings necessarily means better players coming in than what you already have.
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IMO, the trouble with Arsenal/Wenger was that there were quite obvious shortcomings in the squad last season (or maybe lack of cover is the better term) notably DM, Striker and CB. Wenger insisted that what he already had was sufficient.
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When Coq became injured, much needed steel was lost. When Giroud stop scoring, the chances created couldn't be finished consistently. For CB, Koscielny was good but he could get injured, sent off etc and Mertesacker and Gabriel had their shortcomings.
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In short, there were opportunities to buy albeit at inflated prices but Wenger refused to buy and that was why Gunners fans got frustrated and not as if they were short of $. He has since bought a DM in Xhaka so the other 2 positions if filled would definitely boost their squad and give them�a great chance at a title shot.
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All's fine and well to buy potential for the future and this I respect Wenger for his scouting and ability to spot talent and give them chances but fans want silverware now, not waiting for potential to bear fruit later, my 2 cents.
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I am sure he has been looking for a striker past 2 reasons but either the asking price is crazy or the player is not interested
Paying 20+m for vardy was already something not associated with the old wenger
If Wenger knock at yr door, I think lei also sian 1/2.
That y lei rather up Vardy wages
I think his kpi is to spot talent , groom them and sell for a profit.I do acknowledge that there is no necessity to buy just for the sake of buying nor does big signings necessarily means better players coming in than what you already have.
IMO, the trouble with Arsenal/Wenger was that there were quite obvious shortcomings in the squad last season (or maybe lack of cover is the better term) notably DM, Striker and CB. Wenger insisted that what he already had was sufficient.
When Coq became injured, much needed steel was lost. When Giroud stop scoring, the chances created couldn't be finished consistently. For CB, Koscielny was good but he could get injured, sent off etc and Mertesacker and Gabriel had their shortcomings.
In short, there were opportunities to buy albeit at inflated prices but Wenger refused to buy and that was why Gunners fans got frustrated and not as if they were short of $. He has since bought a DM in Xhaka so the other 2 positions if filled would definitely boost their squad and give them a great chance at a title shot.
All's fine and well to buy potential for the future and this I respect Wenger for his scouting and ability to spot talent and give them chances but fans want silverware now, not waiting for potential to bear fruit later, my 2 cents.
He have no intention to win any championship at all.
May no.4 is his own championship title ba :)
I do acknowledge that there is no necessity to buy just for the sake of buying nor does big signings necessarily means better players coming in than what you already have.
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IMO, the trouble with Arsenal/Wenger was that there were quite obvious shortcomings in the squad last season (or maybe lack of cover is the better term) notably DM, Striker and CB. Wenger insisted that what he already had was sufficient.
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When Coq became injured, much needed steel was lost. When Giroud stop scoring, the chances created couldn't be finished consistently. For CB, Koscielny was good but he could get injured, sent off etc and Mertesacker and Gabriel had their shortcomings.
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In short, there were opportunities to buy albeit at inflated prices but Wenger refused to buy and that was why Gunners fans got frustrated and not as if they were short of $. He has since bought a DM in Xhaka so the other 2 positions if filled would definitely boost their squad and give them�a great chance at a title shot.
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All's fine and well to buy potential for the future and this I respect Wenger for his scouting and ability to spot talent and give them chances but fans want silverware now, not waiting for potential to bear fruit later, my 2 cents.
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If Vardy got an agent like Pogba and a club like Baca or Manu chasing him, no 60m no talk man.
If Wenger knock at yr door, I think lei also sian 1/2.
That y lei rather up Vardy wages
I think his kpi is to spot talent , groom them and sell for a profit.
He have no intention to win any championship at all.
May no.4 is his own championship title ba :)�
Coming 4th is just like winning a Cup.
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That chap in the photo is apparently�Kristof Van Hout - Tallest Soccer Player�
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At 2.08 m, if he can dive well, penalty kicks ask him play, chances of losing to City in league cup final would be greatly reduced... stretch out max, likely the fingers leave no gaps from the goal posts... maybe 'jake tio' cos hit the posts�
Sometimes just have to bite the bullet and pay the silly money for once if the player is suited and interested to join. Arsenal consistently in UCL and in London, already in advantage when compared to clubs like Liverpool liao
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I do acknowledge that there is no necessity to buy just for the sake of buying nor does big signings necessarily means better players coming in than what you already have.
IMO, the trouble with Arsenal/Wenger was that there were quite obvious shortcomings in the squad last season (or maybe lack of cover is the better term) notably DM, Striker and CB. Wenger insisted that what he already had was sufficient.
When Coq became injured, much needed steel was lost. When Giroud stop scoring, the chances created couldn't be finished consistently. For CB, Koscielny was good but he could get injured, sent off etc and Mertesacker and Gabriel had their shortcomings.
In short, there were opportunities to buy albeit at inflated prices but Wenger refused to buy and that was why Gunners fans got frustrated and not as if they were short of $. He has since bought a DM in Xhaka so the other 2 positions if filled would definitely boost their squad and give them a great chance at a title shot.
All's fine and well to buy potential for the future and this I respect Wenger for his scouting and ability to spot talent and give them chances but fans want silverware now, not waiting for potential to bear fruit later, my 2 cents.
He bought xhaka to replace rosicky, arteta and flamini..... 1 for 3..... worth it mah...lol
I really respect Wenger that he won't buy at inflated prices.
But he never seems to complain when he sells at inflated
prices. Knowing Wenger he will probably just say
he didn't see that properly and was distracted looking
at something else. He is just like my MIL - got selective
hearing and vision.
Who did he sell for inflated price?
Then i suggest we sign this guy instead
I don't see how the defender can stop him from heading the ball... With his size, even if botak was around to do wrestling, also might not stop him
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Who did he sell for inflated price?�
Emmanuel Adebayor
Cost: �25 million to Manchester City, July 2009�
Kolo Toure (behind)
Cost: �16m to Manchester City, July 2009
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Samir Nasri
Cost: �25m to Manchester City, August 2011�
Alexander Hleb
Cost: �12m to Barcelona, July 2008�
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Alex Song��15,000,000
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Cesc F�bregas��35,000,000
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Thierry Henry��16,100,000
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Patrick Vieira��13,700,000
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Marc Overmars��25,000,000
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Nicolas Anelka��23,000,000 1999
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Actually if they need a keeper, Migs is available.
Everton hands off players from Leicester with Walsh's appointment
Actually if they need a keeper, Migs is available.�
Also, if they sell Lukaku, just buy his buddy Benteke lor. Don't even need to move house.
And if they are ambitious and want 2 strikers, we can throw in Balo�
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Emmanuel Adebayor
Cost: £25 million to Manchester City, July 2009
Kolo Toure (behind)
Cost: £16m to Manchester City, July 2009
Samir Nasri
Cost: £25m to Manchester City, August 2011
Alexander Hleb
Cost: £12m to Barcelona, July 2008
Alex Song
£15,000,000
Cesc Fábregas
£35,000,000
Thierry Henry
£16,100,000
Patrick Vieira
£13,700,000
Marc Overmars
£25,000,000
Nicolas Anelka
£23,000,000 1999
That keeper shouldn't be allowed to go pass the half field. Is there an unfair competition act in EPL?
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Wah, you break his rice bowl...
Later he go outside UK MOM to kneel on the road to complain then you know...
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Under Klopp, not just the leaks are stopped. Low balling habit also no more.
Edited by Osprey23, 22 July 2016 - 07:16 PM.
Swansea considering Allen bid
Let the bidding war start�
13,000,001 pounds
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Yup experience and stability.
No sure how many top class keepers
waiting to sign for Liverpool as their
3rd choice keeper. If anyone knows
any keeper better than old Mann please
faster telephone Klopp and recommend
to him. Don't know why Pool so kancheong
to sign Klopp for 7 years when MCF have
so many expert football managers here.
Don't even need to be on the bench
Literally get paid for nothing
13,000,001 pounds
Arsene Wenger style bidding.
He's getting his third player this summer , what an achievement!!
I think his target is 4 players this summer :)
Rob Holding becomes Arsenal's third signing of the summer, joining Switzerland midfielder Granit Xhaka and Japan forward Takuma Asano.
Life not gonna be easy for u to get paid for doing nothing .3rd choice keeper is the best deal
Don't even need to be on the bench
Literally get paid for nothing
Just like paying u a salary to stay in office for doing nothing, I can't survive man :p
Stop laughing at him la .
He's getting his third player this summer , what an achievement!!
I think his target is 4 players this summer :)
Rob Holding becomes Arsenal's third signing of the summer, joining Switzerland midfielder Granit Xhaka and Japan forward Takuma Asano.
Life not gonna be easy for u to get paid for doing nothing .
Just like paying u a salary to stay in office for doing nothing, I can't survive man :p
But I'm a tough guy, so I think I'll be able to tahan if hired as 3rd choice keeper for poolYep it will be hard
But I'm a tough guy, so I think I'll be able to tahan if hired as 3rd choice keeper for poolMourinho:"Some people prefer to play against lower quality teams and win to get confidence out of it."
Tuchel:"You have problem with that?"
Just a banter. Agree totally with JM that friendly result not important and Dortmund is clearly more advanced in their preparation.lvg win all their friendly when he first go man u.
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wat happen when the season starts.
lvg win all their friendly when he first go man u.
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wat happen when the season starts.
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Gunner won treble in pre-season !!
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Mourinho:"Some people prefer to play against lower quality teams and win to get confidence out of it."
Tuchel:"You have problem with that?"
Just a banter. Agree totally with JM that friendly result not important and Dortmund is clearly more advanced in their preparation.JM said he wants to win everything.
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So losing to Dortmund means something. A loss is still a loss.
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His last spell at Chelsea was an unexpected disaster.
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How come a smart alec like him can't see it coming? haha
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How long he last in Man U is uncertain for sure.
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Palmieras have earlier accepted a bid of �32m from Man City and Man Utd have now entered the race and willing to pay �35m for the player.
Globo Esporte reported that Manchester United are trying to convince Gabriel Jesus to join them with Jos� Mourinho making a personal phone call to the player.
Palmieras have earlier accepted a bid of �32m from Man City and Man Utd have now entered the race and willing to pay �35m for the player.
Last week, I read of a Gabriel Barbosa from Santos aka Gabigol and that some European teams after him as he's dubbed the next Neymar! Played in the Copa as sub n now there's a Gabriel Jesus! So many similar name Brazilian youngsters n all supposedly the next best thing! All out to carrot the European clubs!
Dortmund is tearing Man Utd apart....
In other transfer news, Ben Chilwell is likely to extend contract with Leicester. Pool has to look elsewhere now.
Jordan Amavi likely the target now.�
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Last week, I read of a Gabriel Barbosa from Santos aka Gabigol and that some European teams after him as he's dubbed the next Neymar! Played in the Copa as sub n now there's a Gabriel Jesus! So many similar name Brazilian youngsters n all supposedly the next best thing! All out to carrot the European clubs!
Gabigol is a huge talent. Might not be the next Neymar as most people following Brazilian league are saying he is better than Neymar when he was at his age. Barcelona has first refusal on Gabigol and apparently they aren't buying him now. Juventus is the only club negotiating with Santos. EPL clubs can forget about it as he has complex ownership situation.
It is good to learn now than being torn part in competition, always remb this is a friendly match, don't sweat on it
Agree. Preseason friendlies are mainly for building fitness and for new players to gel. for Man Utd, also for JM to know his squad better.
Agree. Preseason friendlies are mainly for building fitness and for new players to gel. for Man Utd, also for JM to know his squad better.
Agreed.
Same goes for every other clubs too ...
The real fight starts from mid Aug ... And that's where the 3 points are so precious ...
Gunner won treble in pre-season !!
And finished higher than spurs, man c, pool, chelsea and man u...... lol
Agree. Preseason friendlies are mainly for building fitness and for new players to gel. for Man Utd, also for JM to know his squad better.
I also believe this but last season Chelsea didn't win a single pre season friendly or at least those against the bigger teams n this flowed into the season proper and as we all know they nvr recovered.
Whilst it's about building fitness n understanding, the fear is it becomes a spiral as losing like winning becomes a habit n confidence can drop quickly, fingers start pointing etc so United or whichever club has to be careful on this. Worse still is that this year, the prestigious Intercontinental cup is being played across the world against Top club sides n last thing u want is being at the end of a f.ew high profile defeats so beware!!
Sunderland confirm the appointment of David Moyes as its new manager.
The Chosen One is back!!
I wonder why Steve Bruce left Hull City then. As part of Big Sam's England set up?
Edited by Osprey23, 23 July 2016 - 05:29 PM.
Let's hear from Paul Scholes on Pogba: -�
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�For his age, he was asking for far too much money, that too for a player who hasn�t played first team football.
�Okay, he has gone on to great things. I think certainly there has been a lot of improvement. He needed to improve if he is going to be a player worth �86m.
�I just don�t think he is worth �86m. For that sort of money, you want someone who is going to score 50 goals a season like Ronaldo or Messi. Pogba is nowhere worth that kind of money yet.�
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Pogba is off then. No way they can pay this type of money
Let's hear from Paul Scholes on Pogba: -�
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�He was a very talented young player, I played with him and I knew how good he was. He played for the first team maybe once or twice, but from my understanding he was asking for too much money.
�For his age, he was asking for far too much money, that too for a player who hasn�t played first team football.
�Okay, he has gone on to great things. I think certainly there has been a lot of improvement. He needed to improve if he is going to be a player worth �86m.
�I just don�t think he is worth �86m. For that sort of money, you want someone who is going to score 50 goals a season like Ronaldo or Messi. Pogba is nowhere worth that kind of money yet.�
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Really agree on this, however, with all the inflated fees that are ongoing now, this would be the norm from future...
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i am kinda surprised that Sir Alex Fergunson did not step in to stop this transfer, if i am the director of Man U, i cannot stomach paying this fee when Juventus poached the youngster from us paying a nominal fee/free transfer...
Really agree on this, however, with all the inflated fees that are ongoing now, this would be the norm from future...
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i am kinda surprised that Sir Alex Fergunson did not step in to stop this transfer, if i am the director of Man U, i cannot stomach paying this fee when Juventus poached the youngster from us paying a nominal fee/free transfer...
Zlatan: "All I'm hearing is Pogba is too expensive, this and that, well, my jersey sales alone will pay for Pogba."
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Eurosport and Canal+ reporting that Arsenal will offer �50m (£42m) for Mahrez and that Leicester will accept.
The Chosen One is back!!
I wonder why Steve Bruce left Hull City then. As part of Big Sam's England set up?
Zlatan: "All I'm hearing is Pogba is too expensive, this and that, well, my jersey sales alone will pay for Pogba."
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Lol, not a surprisingly comment from the "God" of Manchester.... He is really that good though...
Eurosport and Canal+ reporting that Arsenal will offer �50m (�42m) for Mahrez and that Leicester will accept.
I wonder why Steve Bruce left Hull City then. As part of Big Sam's England set up?
As per this article from Guardian, Bruce was frustrated at the lack of signings n he also had a poor relationship with the owner Allam. Allam is an owner who doesn't have the support of the fans n he even wanted to change their name which was eventually overruled. Typical case of owner with his own agenda n he shld hv been supportive of Bruce who brought them back up!
https://www.theguard...uce-leaves-hull
I find it hard to believe that Arsenal would pay this kind of money esp for a wide player which they have an abundance of players in that position like Walcott, Ox, Sanchez etc. We shall see.
Klopp:Wijnaldum can play 5 or 6 positions
His versatility will be an asset.
And a burden.... just like milner
And a burden.... just like milner
Milner is never versatile to start with, hence a burden trying to make him versatile.
Edited by Osprey23, 23 July 2016 - 10:59 PM.
http://www.90min.com...mer?a_aid=40655
Very classy response when asked about the England job as well
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Barcelona director Ariedo Braida has confirmed that the Spanish champions have been priced out of a move for Juventus midfielder Paul Pogba, as his reported move to Manchester United edges closer.
I love Eddie Howe!!
Apparently, his No. 9 shirt was taken away from him without asking or informing him.
I wonder was Januzaj informed when his No 11 shirt was taken away from him.
Liverpool have had a bid accepted for Brad Smith from Bournemouth. Around �6m. (SkySports)
I love Eddie Howe!!
Since he is so nice we give him balotelli for free
I believe Allen will do well for them.
Edited by Osprey23, 24 July 2016 - 08:38 AM.
Since he is so nice we give him balotelli for free
I think send a hamper over can liao.
We buy so many from Southampton they also never give us anyone free
Ah Seng plots 75 mil transfer- albeit for 2 players.
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Gunners fans already took to medias on failure to sign Higuain. If Mahrez snubs Arsenal, it'll be the 2nd players from the little EPL Champion club to snub a big former (or not so recently former) EPL Champion Club in a transfer window.
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Wonder what reactions it will be?
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Meanwhile it was reported that Wolves, under the new chinese owner, may hire Bruce for their push for promotion.
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I think send a hamper over can liao.
We buy so many from Southampton they also never give us anyone free
Because Liverpool is not nice
BVB is on the verged of signing Mario Gomez. Klopp should give them a call to remind them that they shouldn't miss out on the Super Mario.
BVB has now signed 3 current German Internationals if this goes through. Gotze, Schurrle already signed. They rebuilding n I hope to see them do well n challenge BM in Bundesliga.
Ah Seng plots 75 mil transfer- albeit for 2 players.
Gunners fans already took to medias on failure to sign Higuain. If Mahrez snubs Arsenal, it'll be the 2nd players from the little EPL Champion club to snub a big former (or not so recently former) EPL Champion Club in a transfer window.
Wonder what reactions it will be?
Meanwhile it was reported that Wolves, under the new chinese owner, may hire Bruce for their push for promotion.
To be fair, Higuain was going for a ridiculous price n even I who have been critical of Wenger for his tight fist feels this time he is right not to bite. Lacazette n Icardi are more reasonably priced n he shld snap up one of them otherwise he deserves being criticised. As for Mahrez, I still feel its paper talk but it may come true if one or both of Ox n Walcott departs. Otherwise, I don't see how to fit in so many wide players.
I would fight City for Stones even at �50mil if I were Wenger though admittedly it's also silly money but he fits the Arsenal style of play cos he's a ball playing CB, young n English but I Guess it will not happen.
Let's hear from Paul Scholes on Pogba: -�
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�He was a very talented young player, I played with him and I knew how good he was. He played for the first team maybe once or twice, but from my understanding he was asking for too much money.
�For his age, he was asking for far too much money, that too for a player who hasn�t played first team football.
�Okay, he has gone on to great things. I think certainly there has been a lot of improvement. He needed to improve if he is going to be a player worth �86m.
�I just don�t think he is worth �86m. For that sort of money, you want someone who is going to score 50 goals a season like Ronaldo or Messi. Pogba is nowhere worth that kind of money yet.�
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Ronaldo and Messi are those players you see once in every few generations
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worth at least �150m la
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Ah Seng plots 75 mil transfer- albeit for 2 players.
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Gunners fans already took to medias on failure to sign Higuain. If Mahrez snubs Arsenal, it'll be the 2nd players from the little EPL Champion club to snub a big former (or not so recently former) EPL Champion Club in a transfer window.
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Wonder what reactions it will be?
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Meanwhile it was reported that Wolves, under the new chinese owner, may hire Bruce for their push for promotion.
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I've said before... cash plus walcott for Mahrez will be awesome for Arsenal
Ah Seng plots 75 mil transfer- albeit for 2 players.
Gunners fans already took to medias on failure to sign Higuain. If Mahrez snubs Arsenal, it'll be the 2nd players from the little EPL Champion club to snub a big former (or not so recently former) EPL Champion Club in a transfer window.
Wonder what reactions it will be?
Meanwhile it was reported that Wolves, under the new chinese owner, may hire Bruce for their push for promotion.
Seriously, I do not think Higuain is worth that. �94m is crazy money and Juventus are able to do that because of Pogba's sale.
Mahrez' link is not really clear, some doubted it.
Bruce will be a good choice for Wolves.
Looks like Pool really have to dig deep into their list to sign a LB.
Will be a priority now since Brad Smith is to be sold.
Well, sometimes it's not about if the player is right for the club or if he is overpriced. But once if the club announces its intention and kena snubbed, it would not be the best feeling in the world, imho.
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True... but only firm bid was for Vardy. Others are all pure media and fan speculations.
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http://www.liverpool...erpool-11655814
FSG 100% backing Klopp. Klavan might not be 4th choice. Manninger will be a good help to Achterberg
I tot brad smith is quite highly rate at pool? How come they wanna sell him?
Australia first choice LB. However, I think �6m is an amount too good to reject. Similar to Ibe, there will be a sell on and buy back clauses inserted.
Personally, I believe pace and ability to provide attacking threats are what Klopp wants in fullbacks. Brad is lacking in both aspects I think. Flanno as well.
surprise brad is to be sold. Not a bad LB if you ask me...
Australia first choice LB. However, I think �6m is an amount too good to reject. Similar to Ibe, there will be a sell on and buy back clauses inserted.
Personally, I believe pace and ability to provide attacking threats are what Klopp wants in fullbacks. Brad is lacking in both aspects I think. Flanno as well.�
Agree mostly with you.
He is good but not to the level of first 11, it will do him more good if he can play regular soccer�
Play finish this season. Still young. Try one more full season then decide which team to join then
Agree mostly with you.
He is good but not to the level of first 11, it will do him more good if he can play regular soccer�
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We have buy back clause, so its actually win win for all parties :)
We have buy back clause, so its actually win win for all parties :)
We will have a forever never buy back clause inserted If we sell balotelli
With the �6m from Brad Smith sale, maybe Pool can meet Leicester asking price of �10m then.
Contract talks between Leicester and Chilwell apparently stalled.
With the �6m from Brad Smith sale, maybe Pool can meet Leicester asking price of �10m then.�
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I hope so ... if Pool thinks Chilwell is good, just spend the 10mil ... you never know how much he will be worth multiple times more when he is superb in his 20s ...
I really hope when Inter gets the �40m - �50m, they can come for Balotelli
https://www.theguard...-pogba-transfer
Juventus insisted that they do not need to sell Pogba to fund Higuain.
Update on Pogba's mega pounds move.
https://www.theguard...-pogba-transfer
Juventus insisted that they do not need to sell Pogba to fund Higuain.�
i will welcome Progba's move to Utd. It will confirm how ridiculous the club has regressed...�
i will welcome Progba's move to Utd. It will confirm how ridiculous the club has regressed...�
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If you call MU ability to throw away 100 mil a player a regression, then it's at best moral one maybe.
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Commercially, MU is set to be the highest revenue earner, surpassing RM & Barca. Regression? Can afford to spend money which makes the rivals green till turn blue with envy a regression? HA
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Sportingly, how MU will perform , only time can tell. But if your club is not MC or Chelski, yours is likely to finish below MU this coming season, according to the Bookie.
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Regression? you made my day. Thank You Very Much. Haven't grinned so much and for so long for awhile.
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arsenal spend 30m-40m a player... they say wenger ngiao
Man u spend 100m on player they say man u desperate
Pool must be bestest liao.... forever rebuilding
Actually some pool fans sometimes funny lar....
arsenal spend 30m-40m a player... they say wenger ngiao
Man u spend 100m on player they say man u desperate
Pool must be bestest liao.... forever rebuildingaiyah....many fans like that la. whatever other clubs doing must b wrong. only their club do is right.�
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but to me, if arse paying 30-40m, means wenger is possessed cos he willing to spend that much money. but gd for the club. if man u spend 100m on a player, gd for them. means later on other fans can say they buy the title. if pool spend 30m n abv for a player, i say they crazy. don hv so much money also willing to throw money away.
If you call MU ability to throw away 100 mil a player a regression, then it's at best moral one maybe.
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Commercially, MU is set to be the highest revenue earner, surpassing RM & Barca. Regression? Can afford to spend money which makes the rivals green till turn blue with envy a regression? HA
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Sportingly, how MU will perform , only time can tell. But if your club is not MC or Chelski, yours is likely to finish below MU this coming season, according to the Bookie.
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Regression? you made my day. Thank You Very Much. Haven't grinned so much and for so long for awhile.
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If you call MU ability to throw away 100 mil a player a regression, then it's at best moral one maybe.
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Commercially, MU is set to be the highest revenue earner, surpassing RM & Barca. Regression? Can afford to spend money which makes the rivals green till turn blue with envy a regression? HA
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Sportingly, how MU will perform , only time can tell. But if your club is not MC or Chelski, yours is likely to finish below MU this coming season, according to the Bookie.
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Regression? you made my day. Thank You Very Much. Haven't grinned so much and for so long for awhile.
I praise you for your alternative view which gives food for thot.
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Not necessarily that I agree with your conclusions. All I can say that Alex Fergie had left a huge legacy during his long successful managerial reign in Man U which cannot possibly be replicated in modern footballing era. The past 3~4 years performance had been disappointing and it does show that their financial success does not necessarily translate into footballing success.
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Leicester's unexpected thrust into the top tier of Epl shows that money alone does not guarantee success on the pitch. Look at how Tottenham Hotspur has improved under Pochettino. If Ranieri can do it, why wouldn't Klopp or any less fancied club do it too. The Epl title is no more an entitlement of a few privileged clubs who has a rich sugar daddy.
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Actually some pool fans sometimes funny lar....
arsenal spend 30m-40m a player... they say wenger ngiao
Man u spend 100m on player they say man u desperate
Pool must be bestest liao.... forever rebuilding
To me, a successful transfer window is not measured by how much you spend. It should reflects how well the incoming players have replaced the outgoing and thus improving the squad.
Pool might be having a negative nett spend this window. Am I disappointed? I don't think so.
Karius is better than Bogdan. Matip is better than Kolo. Klavan is better than Skrtel. Mane is better than Ibe. Wijnaldum is better suited than Allen. Any LB coming in will be better than Enrique.
Hence, if JM feels that he needs Pogba and no one else to improve the midfield, then they just have to pay up the money.
I guess what Bro Fooblack meant to say on the regression, is the ability to better use the funds. Let's put it this way, is Pogba really that out of this world that an alternative that cost less than �120m cannot be found?i believe all of us have the answer.
Edited by Osprey23, 25 July 2016 - 11:50 AM.
At the end if the day we all love this beautiful game. Have a great week ahead :)
Im soo excited for the season to start... spicy....
aiyah....many fans like that la. whatever other clubs doing must b wrong. only their club do is right.
but to me, if arse paying 30-40m, means wenger is possessed cos he willing to spend that much money. but gd for the club. if man u spend 100m on a player, gd for them. means later on other fans can say they buy the title. if pool spend 30m n abv for a player, i say they crazy. don hv so much money also willing to throw money away.
But out of 3 of the past 4 seasons, wenger has paid over 30m for 1.single player
We just enjoy to take a dig at rival clubs, Its common just for laugh only.
At the end if the day we all love this beautiful game. Have a great week ahead :)�
True true, strictly "business".� No (personal) offense intended.
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Actually some pool fans sometimes funny lar....
arsenal spend 30m-40m a player... they say wenger ngiao
Man u spend 100m on player they say man u desperate
Pool must be bestest liao.... forever rebuildingHilarious but damn true.
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Anyone pool sell- player damn jialat
Anyone pool buys- great player with potential and of course value for money
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Edited by Getzsfv, 25 July 2016 - 12:10 PM.
But out of 3 of the past 4 seasons, wenger has paid over 30m for 1.single player
Frankly speaking, every clubs have their own strategies in the market. Don't think there is any right or wrong. Financial muscles decide which bracket of players you go for. Richer clubs pay big for stars, less rich clubs go for potential stars.
To me, a successful transfer window is not measured by how much you spend. It should reflects how well the incoming players have replaced the outgoing and thus improving the squad.
Pool might be having a negative nett spend this window. Am I disappointed? I don't think so.
Karius is better than Bogdan. Matip is better than Kolo. Klavan is better than Skrtel. Mane is better than Ibe. Wijnaldum is better suited than Allen. Any LB coming in will be better than Enrique.
Hence, if JM feels that he needs Pogba and no one else to improve the midfield, then they just have to pay up the money.
I guess what Bro Fooblack meant to say on the regression, is the ability to better use the funds. Let's put it this way, is Pogba really that out of this world that an alternative that cost less than �120m cannot be found?i believe all of us have the answer.�
sure... i agree with you too....
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but when the fans that commented.... own club cannot even bear to spend 30-40m now and then call other club manager ngiao when they spend 30-40m........ or other club that spend 100m as desperate....... like slapping own face leh.........
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to me... spending does not equate to ambition... spending for the right player equates to ambition... it does not matter if the price is 1m or 100m
N thats the way it should b. He had saved so much for the club. Its time he spend big. Other than pool, im a fan of arse also cos i like the way they play. Very exciting attacking football. N it is such a waste if they don try to get better big name players n try to win the title.
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aiya.... that was because he was shackled by the stadium debt.... it was only up to 4 years ago that he can spend more and he did .... but even then... arsenal still cannot afford to spend like man u, chelsea or man c....
Hilarious but damn true.
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Anyone pool sell- player damn jialat
Anyone pool buys- great player with potential and of course value for money
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Anything Klopp say is the bestest correctest..�
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disclaimer: just normal bantering hor
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sorry hor... when pool fans want pool sell player is no 50m no talk de.... even if they think player is jialat......they still want sell for sky high price.. �think they use gold price x weight of player x 1000
Edited by Galantspeedz, 25 July 2016 - 12:46 PM.
Hilarious but damn true.
Anyone pool sell- player damn jialat
Anyone pool buys- great player with potential and of course value for money
Anything Klopp say is the bestest correctest..
disclaimer: just normal bantering hor
Thats y i say now is time for him to spend. N 30-40m a season for a really gd player should b the min standard for u guys now.sure... i agree with you too....
but when the fans that commented.... own club cannot even bear to spend 30-40m now and then call other club manager ngiao when they spend 30-40m........ or other club that spend 100m as desperate....... like slapping own face leh.........
to me... spending does not equate to ambition... spending for the right player equates to ambition... it does not matter if the price is 1m or 100m
aiya.... that was because he was shackled by the stadium debt.... it was only up to 4 years ago that he can spend more and he did .... but even then... arsenal still cannot afford to spend like man u, chelsea or man c....
sorry hor... when pool fans want pool sell player is no 50m no talk de.... even if they think player is jialat......they still want sell for sky high price.. think they use gold price x weight of player x 1000
U know y pool fans wan 50m for every player they sell? I bcos the club has no money! So of cos must sell as high as possible. N the fact that they cant compete for other players make it worse. Must keep watever player we hv. Hehehe
Its disgusting how they are shafting
Man U.
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sure... i agree with you too....
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but when the fans that commented.... own club cannot even bear to spend 30-40m now and then call other club manager ngiao when they spend 30-40m........ or other club that spend 100m as desperate....... like slapping own face leh.........
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to me... spending does not equate to ambition... spending for the right player equates to ambition... it does not matter if the price is 1m or 100m
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aiya.... that was because he was shackled by the stadium debt.... it was only up to 4 years ago that he can spend more and he did .... but even then... arsenal still cannot afford to spend like man u, chelsea or man c....
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sorry hor... when pool fans want pool sell player is no 50m no talk de.... even if they think player is jialat......they still want sell for sky high price.. �think they use gold price x weight of player x 1000
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1. Rich people who dont want to pay are ngiao. A poor man is entitled to call them so.
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2. Spending surely equates to ambition leh. if not spend for what? It may be a mistaken belief that it would aid their goal, but it is still ambition.�
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3. Nobody can spend like them lah. Arsenal is lucky to have Wenger, and vice versa. If you dont like what your club is doing, just support another team lah. Then you can mock other people for being poor. Or even better, support leceister.�
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4. Do you want to buy benteke? 40m + 1 can liao, no need 50.�
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No offence hor, banter.�
But out of 3 of the past 4 seasons, wenger has paid over 30m for 1.single player
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Even Mertesacker concerned at�Arsenal lack of transfer activity.....
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http://www.teamtalk....ansfer-activity
Hilarious but damn true.
Anyone pool sell- player damn jialat
Anyone pool buys- great player with potential and of course value for money
Anything Klopp say is the bestest correctest..
disclaimer: just normal bantering hor
Not true leh
Sell Suarez, sell Alonso, you didn't hear Pool fans complain meh?
Signing Benteke and Balotelli, you didn't hear Pool fans questioned meh?
Klopp might not be the best, but he is certainly the bestest for Liverpool. I won't change him for any manager currently alive.
Juve asking for another10m for Pog.
Its disgusting how they are shafting
Man U.
:)wah seh... my heart bleeding leh... still cannot praise you yet
saw his player commit the foul but when asked he
always pretented he didn`t see. At least Mr Wenger
can be truthful about select seeing. I really dont
know why the arsenal fan here cannot be as honest
as Mr Wenger on selective vision on spending.
Just banter hor.
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Edited by Jamesc, 25 July 2016 - 01:39 PM.
Klopp might not be the best, but he is certainly the bestest for Liverpool. I won't change him for any manager currently alive.
On a serious note, Klopp has not proven himself yet in the EPL. right now, i think Rafa is still a better pool manager so far...
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we wait at least 2 season and see what he brings.
On a serious note, Klopp has not proven himself yet in the EPL. right now, i think Rafa is still a better pool manager so far...
we wait at least 2 season and see what he brings.
only 2 finals and didn`t win any of them. When he wins
more than Rafa then we can say he is a better manager.
No Pool fan will disagree with you on this.
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Juve asking for another10m for Pog.
Its disgusting how they are shafting
Man U.
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Wait 1 more week, another 10 mil.
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Then 1 week before the window close, no 120m no talk.
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Wait 1 more week, another 10 mil.
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Then 1 week before the window close, no 120m no talk.
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remind me of those thai/china stall owners...... �
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start walking away.. they tell you 100mio ok la... � keep on walking become 86mio... � �
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one more time become 75mio... ��
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cannot be too low becoz they are committed to buying higuain i think ...�
Wait 1 more week, another 10 mil.
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Then 1 week before the window close, no 120m no talk.
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good foresight!!..
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currently seems to be 92M + 18M agent fees + you still want to pay me some more if you wanna drag a few more days!!??..
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LOL...
Bye bye Allen
sure... i agree with you too....
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but when the fans that commented.... own club cannot even bear to spend 30-40m now and then call other club manager ngiao when they spend 30-40m........ or other club that spend 100m as desperate....... like slapping own face leh.........
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im still pissed that AW dint win the title last season!!..
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and i support pool hor..
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no more chance for him this season..
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PS: banter again.. no offence..
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Same also everywhere la. Like how many of man u fans cursed n swear at mourinho when he was at chel. But now he is their saviour n he is wat they need now.
Thats y i say now is time for him to spend. N 30-40m a season for a really gd player should b the min standard for u guys now.
U know y pool fans wan 50m for every player they sell? I bcos the club has no money! So of cos must sell as high as possible. N the fact that they cant compete for other players make it worse. Must keep watever player we hv. Hehehe�
you know why no money because anyhow spend lor....... lol
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i don't think standard should equate to transfer fee........�
1. Rich people who dont want to pay are ngiao. A poor man is entitled to call them so.
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Arsenal and Pool should be on equal terms when it comes to financial ability
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2. Spending surely equates to ambition leh. if not spend for what? It may be a mistaken belief that it would aid their goal, but it is still ambition.�
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anyhow spend does not equate to ambition leh... buying the right player is........ paying 30m for Giroud does not make Arsenal more ambitious
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3. Nobody can spend like them lah. Arsenal is lucky to have Wenger, and vice versa. If you dont like what your club is doing, just support another team lah. Then you can mock other people for being poor. Or even better, support leceister.�
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but now is people mocking others for being rich leh....... lol
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4. Do you want to buy benteke? 40m + 1 can liao, no need 50.�
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is his release clause 40m?
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No offence hor, banter.�
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im still pissed that AW dint win the title last season!!..
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and i support pool hor..
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no more chance for him this season..
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PS: banter again.. no offence..
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every year got chance lar... in fact every club has�2.63157894737% chance
Not true leh
Sell Suarez, sell Alonso, you didn't hear Pool fans complain meh?
Signing Benteke and Balotelli, you didn't hear Pool fans questioned meh?
Klopp might not be the best, but he is certainly the bestest for Liverpool. I won't change him for any manager currently alive.�
On the selling + complain part, add Mascherano to it. If Torres didn't push for the move, and didn't play so badly running up to it, i'll also add him to the list (although the 50 m did help to soften the blow)...
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On signing, there were many more that should complain, until i dunno where to start/end... The Aquilanis, Konchelskys, Carolls, etc. are prime examples....
Or Hodgson for that matter...�
On a serious note, Klopp has not proven himself yet in the EPL. right now, i think Rafa is still a better pool manager so far...
we wait at least 2 season and see what he brings.
Yes, he has not won us anything yet but he has given us an identity and an exciting way of playing football. In a short period of time, he lifted the players and united the fans. He gets the club.
Rafa of course written his name into Pool's history. I respect him a lot but still won't want him ahead of Klopp.
This coming season should see something from him liao. Got in most players he want and a full preseason to prepare.
Even Mertesacker concerned at�Arsenal lack of transfer activity.....
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looking at how the bigger teams has strengthened their squad... i am concerned too.... but even then i don't think i will want wenger to pay 90m euros for higuain....
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i still wondering why xhaka is worth 30+ million... lol
There was one day Mr Wenger admitted he always
saw his player commit the foul but when asked he
always pretented he didn`t see. At least Mr Wenger
can be truthful about select seeing. I really dont
know why the arsenal fan here cannot be as honest
as Mr Wenger on selective vision on spending.
Just banter hor.
:)�
i can see pool fans have learnt well..........�
On the selling + complain part, add Mascherano to it. If Torres didn't push for the move, and didn't play so badly running up to it, i'll also add him to the list (although the 50 m did help to soften the blow)...
On signing, there were many more that should complain, until i dunno where to start/end... The Aquilanis, Konchelskys, Carolls, etc. are prime examples....
Or Hodgson for that matter...
Moores want to exit so that new owner can take us higher. But his decision to sell us to the Cowboys set us back 5 years at least.
Edited by Osprey23, 25 July 2016 - 02:46 PM.
Yes, he has not won us anything yet but he has given us an identity and an exciting way of playing football. In a short period of time, he lifted the players and united the fans. He gets the club.
Rafa of course written his name into Pool's history. I respect him a lot but still won't want him ahead of Klopp.
This coming season should see something from him liao. Got in most players he want and a full preseason to prepare.�
do you think klopp can bring pool to UCL qualification this season?
looking at how the bigger teams has strengthened their squad... i am concerned too.... but even then i don't think i will want wenger to pay 90m euros for higuain....
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i still wondering why xhaka is worth 30+ million... lol
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I also support the move not to buy Higuain cos he's no where worth near that price which is the second highest transfer fee ever (2nd only to Bale). But surely Icardi, Lacazette or some International class striker shld be bought.
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Just wondering if Bony would be a good buy but he's somewhat similar to Giroud whereas a nippy second striker like Griezmann would have been a perfect choice but sadly for u guys, he's untouchable.
Yes, he has not won us anything yet but he has given us an identity and an exciting way of playing football. In a short period of time, he lifted the players and united the fans. He gets the club.
Rafa of course written his name into Pool's history. I respect him a lot but still won't want him ahead of Klopp.
This coming season should see something from him liao. Got in most players he want and a full preseason to prepare.�
To be honest, with the current corps of players, i don't see how they can't get into top 4.
Those players he gotten so far like all used to play in the mid table team leh..�
No world class type..
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Where is Torres, Suz and Gerrard�
I can't remember any striker scoring more than 20 goals in recent years..
With this goals return, how can they go on and get top 4?
Haiz, Woy was gotten in to be the lap dog to the cowboys who are facing financial crunch and trying to refinance the loan to keep hold of the club. They cannot have a manager who is opposing them openly.
Moores want to exit so that new owner can take us higher. But his decision to sell us to the Cowboys set us back 5 years at least.�
I sometimes wonder where Pool would be if the cowboys didn't buy the club, and a better owner came in...
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For that matter, how would the team be if later Peter Lim bought it instead�
To be honest, with the current corps of players, i don't see how they can't get into top 4.
Those players he gotten so far like all used to play in the mid table team leh..�
No world class type..
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Where is Torres, Suz and Gerrard�
I can't remember any striker scoring more than 20 goals in recent years..
With this goals return, how can they go on and get top 4?
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I think the solid Dortmund team he made also didn't have any world class players scoring >20 goals a season initially leh...
I also support the move not to buy Higuain cos he's no where worth near that price which is the second highest transfer fee ever (2nd only to Bale). But surely Icardi, Lacazette or some International class striker shld be bought.
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Just wondering if Bony would be a good buy but he's somewhat similar to Giroud whereas a nippy second striker like Griezmann would have been a perfect choice but sadly for u guys, he's untouchable.
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i dunno what is wenger criteria is in buying a player or how he comes up with a valuation, i only read that there is a psychological test involved..
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griezmann will be good as you can see the pairing between Giroud and Griezmann
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For icardi and lacazette, i think it really depends on the price since other leagues club knows BPL is flush with money now.... but once you start overpaying... it is gonna be a recurring thing........... a good example will be man u..... even though they can afford it....
do you think klopp can bring pool to UCL qualification this season?
Quietly confident. No Europe will be an advantage.
Just hope the rest of the English teams fly the England flag high high in Europe this season
i dunno what is wenger criteria is in buying a player or how he comes up with a valuation, i only read that there is a psychological test involved..
griezmann will be good as you can see the pairing between Giroud and Griezmann
For icardi and lacazette, i think it really depends on the price since other leagues club knows BPL is flush with money now.... but once you start overpaying... it is gonna be a recurring thing........... a good example will be man u..... even though they can afford it....
He was linked to spurs back then. When lamela was useless back then and spurs would like a winger. Lloris even recommended him to spurs but din worked out then unfortunately
To be honest, with the current corps of players, i don't see how they can't get into top 4.
Those players he gotten so far like all used to play in the mid table team leh..
No world class type..
Where is Torres, Suz and Gerrard
I can't remember any striker scoring more than 20 goals in recent years..
With this goals return, how can they go on and get top 4?
If you look at Klopp's signings so far, you will realise that he is adding pace and physicality to the team. Of course, apart for Karius, who is signed for his pure handsomeness
Griezman b4 he move to madrid was unproven. Though he did played in the world cup 2yrs back abeit a bit part player.
He was linked to spurs back then. When lamela was useless back then and spurs would like a winger. Lloris even recommended him to spurs but din worked out then unfortunately
Back in 2010, Comolli was very close to getting him to Liverpool for �7m until Dalglish decided against it and go for Downing.
If you look at Klopp's signings so far, you will realise that he is adding pace and physicality to the team. Of course, apart for Karius, who is signed for his pure handsomeness
No goal machine...
Give him another season, he will be show the door if thing still the same..
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Any fan would appreciate if their team don't score goal?
Ask any gunner fan , how they feel when they see the team keep passing the ball around in front of the goal post?�
No goal machine...
Give him another season, he will be show the door if thing still the same..
Any fan would appreciate if their team don't score goal?
Ask any gunner fan , how they feel when they see the team keep passing the ball around in front of the goal post?
If can offload the 2 B's, Klopp might buy another striker.
Anyway, as mentioned before, Klopp wants more goals from midfielders, so to ease the load on the strikers
Edited by Osprey23, 25 July 2016 - 03:12 PM.
Quietly confident. No Europe will be an advantage.
Just hope the rest of the English teams fly the England flag high high in Europe this season�
mai so bad..... but is true.. no europe will be a big advantage...
No goal machine...
Give him another season, he will be show the door if thing still the same..
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Any fan would appreciate if their team don't score goal?
Ask any gunner fan , how they feel when they see the team keep passing the ball around in front of the goal post?�
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nowadays the ball stop outside opponent penalty box liao....... �no chance to reach goal post
Griezman b4 he move to madrid was unproven. Though he did played in the world cup 2yrs back abeit a bit part player.
He was linked to spurs back then. When lamela was useless back then and spurs would like a winger. Lloris even recommended him to spurs but din worked out then unfortunately�
spurs has a good team now.... but i feel still not as good as klinnsman, barmby days.....
Goal machine already has, just need to maintain it properly so it doesn't breakdown so frequently.
If can offload the 2 B's, Klopp might buy another striker.
Anyway, as mentioned before, Klopp wants more goals from midfielders, so to ease the load on the strikers�
i still think benteke is a good striker....... but that is what he is, a striker and nothing else....
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i still think benteke is a good striker....... but that is what he is, a striker and nothing else....
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So now u starting to appreciate the dirty work done by Heskey back then right?�
i still think benteke is a good striker....... but that is what he is, a striker and nothing else....
Yes he is. Just that we cannot play to his strength. So it will be better for Pool and for him to leave
So now u starting to appreciate the dirty work done by Heskey back then right?�
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i think better to say i have always appreciated giroud....�
Yes he is. Just that we cannot play to his strength. So it will be better for Pool and for him to leave
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actually i won't mind if Wenger buys benteke....... but only for the right price....�
According to Metro.co.uk:
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Have Adidas just revealed Chelsea have hijacked Arsenal�s deal for Leicester City ace Riyad�Mahrez?
Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2.../#ixzz4FPGKy9cO�
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German sportswear giants Adidas were left red-faced today after an eagle-eyed Chelsea fan spotted no.7 Riyad Mahrez shirts being sold on the brand�s official website.
The Leicester City ace has been the subject of interest from Arsenal in recent days, with the Gunners believed to have held talks with the Algerian over a move to the Emirates.
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man u vs man c game call off...
man u vs man c game call off...
Omg. What happened?
Omg. What happened?
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bird incontinent, bird nest flooded
Omg. What happened?
i knew b4 hand j.m complain pitch very bad,�
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maybe their pitch like our national stadium grass lol..
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damn man, i was so so looking forward to the game.....
According to Metro.co.uk:
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Have Adidas just revealed Chelsea have hijacked Arsenal�s deal for Leicester City ace Riyad�Mahrez?
Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2.../#ixzz4FPGKy9cO�
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German sportswear giants Adidas were left red-faced today after an eagle-eyed Chelsea fan spotted no.7 Riyad Mahrez shirts being sold on the brand�s official website.
The Leicester City ace has been the subject of interest from Arsenal in recent days, with the Gunners believed to have held talks with the Algerian over a move to the Emirates.
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Just my opinion only that this rumour unlikely to be true cos Chelsea has quite a few wide players as well like Cuadrado, Moses, Hazard and even Willian.
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But surely some eyebrows will be raised cos unlike for Adidas to make this kind of error unless they know something which they did when Mkhitaryan joined United so maybe true afterall?
i think better to say i have always appreciated giroud....
actually i won't mind if Wenger buys benteke....... but only for the right price....
�30m + 1 should be enough.
Still think he needs horizontal deliveries from the sides. Vertical through balls from Ozil is not going to be effective. Benteke not one who makes intelligent runs
�30m + 1 should be enough.
Still think he needs horizontal deliveries from the sides. Vertical through balls from Ozil is not going to be effective. Benteke not one who makes intelligent runs�
Giroud does try to make intelligent runs but always too slow.... 20m+1 can lar....�
Just my opinion only that this rumour unlikely to be true cos Chelsea has quite a few wide players as well like Cuadrado, Moses, Hazard and even Willian.
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But surely some eyebrows will be raised cos unlike for Adidas to make this kind of error unless they know something which they did when Mkhitaryan joined United so maybe true afterall?
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Adidas sponsorships.... looks like it may be true
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Giroud does try to make intelligent runs but always too slow.... 20m+1 can lar....�
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Adidas sponsorships.... looks like it may be true
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If 20m + 1 then must throw in kieran gibbs�
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On the blue jersey, maybe is china factory mistake lah. They must have been told that no. 7 Mahrez is for blue jersey of the EPL champion team. Some sotong must have missed one year of EPL, and thought it's still Chelsea, so printed on Chelsea jersey�
i knew b4 hand j.m complain pitch very bad,�
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maybe their pitch like our national stadium grass lol..
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damn man, i was so so looking forward to the game.....
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Maybe the bird nest also became like this...
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If 20m + 1 then must throw in kieran gibbs�
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On the blue jersey, maybe is china factory mistake lah. They must have been told that no. 7 Mahrez is for blue jersey of the EPL champion team. Some sotong must have missed one year of EPL, and thought it's still Chelsea, so printed on Chelsea jersey�
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you all want another sick chicken ar?�
you all want another sick chicken ar?
Maybe can at least use him to motivate and push the rash chicken we have at LB now lor
Joe Allen from Liverpool-�13mill
Ramadan Sobhi from Al Ahly-�5mill
Arsenal have to act fast
Crystal Palace are prepared to pay £30m for Christian Benteke. (Dominic King)
Arsenal have to act fast
Pool will b stupid to reject if this offer comes thru.
If �30m straight I believe will be accepted.
The last bid was rejected because it was �27m plus �3m. Apparently that add ons terms are not really realistic.
Crystal Palace are prepared to pay £30m for Christian Benteke. (Dominic King)
Arsenal have to act fast
Good good... one B going. What about the first one?
Icardi might have bearing on this.
Have a feeling Inter will come in for him if Icardi is sold. However, Mancini must remain as their manager.
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LFC have given up on a deal for Chilwell as Klopp doubted his desire to complete a move to Anfield. (James Pearce)
Ok, let's hope the trend continues. Going big on the left back.�
With Smith also gone, Pool's full backs option is really limited. � Hence, it is natural to think Klopp will probably go for a more ready player. Hence,this may also explains why Chiwell may not be the right option. �
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Hopeful on this development... think that's the remaining piece in Klopp's transfer plan this season..
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after which, rest will be sales of fringe players when a good offer comes along - Mario, Benteke, Markovic, �Lucas etc... �No pressure to sell and Pool should be looking for reasonable prices before offloading or sending out on loans..�
With Liverpool not in UCL, chance for the rest to equalise this season
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For a while i couldn't immediately understand the diagram. Thought it was the rest of the teams have 4 each...�
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Only after about 30 sec then gathered that it was combined together.�
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With the big guys like RM, Barca, AM, BM having a stranglehold on the UCL competition these few years, I don't see how easy it would be for anyone to gatecrash lor...
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This chap also a bit talented, but egoistic pattern pattern type.�
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If Stoke should miss him, then should encourage Stoke to get a like-for-like replacement and take Balo after Allen. Give special Purchase-with-Purchase discount, 15m can liao.
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After seeing his mate moving to Anfield and knowing that Liverpool are after a LB, Jetro Willems is doing all he can to make his interest known. Not sure how well PSV fans are taking it though.
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Well, hopefully it'll incite fans revolt and they petition the club to get rid of him fast, so Pool can buy him on the cheap.�
With Smith also gone, Pool's full backs option is really limited. Hence, it is natural to think Klopp will probably go for a more ready player. Hence,this may also explains why Chiwell may not be the right option.
Hopeful on this development... think that's the remaining piece in Klopp's transfer plan this season..
after which, rest will be sales of fringe players when a good offer comes along - Mario, Benteke, Markovic, Lucas etc... No pressure to sell and Pool should be looking for reasonable prices before offloading or sending out on loans..
With Chilwell being the one targeted, seems to suggest that Klopp will keep faith in Moreno for the next season. But I do agree with you that signing an established one might not be a bad idea as he can be a mentor to Moreno rather than understudy.
My dream signing will be Wolfsburg's Ricardo Rodriguez. Apparently has a �24m release clause. Hector I believe is staying put at Koln. Seems to be reluctant to move abroad. Willems seems to be trying too hard to get a move. He is just another Moreno imo and seems to have lose a bit of pace since his knee injury.
Awaiting Klopp to surprise me. The speed he moved and get the deal done for Wijnaldum after deciding to drop Zielinski's interest is impressive.
With Liverpool not in UCL, chance for the rest to equalise this season
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I can't see English teams winning the UCL for the next 2-3 years until all the best players started moving there. Just looking at the strength of Barca's forwards, Madrid's balance and Muchen's German elites, English teams still have a long way to go although they have the best managers in the game imo
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Pool's 5 will not be beaten anytime soon�
new season, new predictions....
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my hopeful predictions for the champs of the 4 major leagues
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England - Arsenal
Spain - Real Madrid
Germany - Dortmund (upset)
Italy - Juventus, but hope others will buck up
With Chilwell being the one targeted, seems to suggest that Klopp will keep faith in Moreno for the next season. But I do agree with you that signing an established one might not be a bad idea as he can be a mentor to Moreno rather than understudy.
My dream signing will be Wolfsburg's Ricardo Rodriguez. Apparently has a �24m release clause. Hector I believe is staying put at Koln. Seems to be reluctant to move abroad. Willems seems to be trying too hard to get a move. He is just another Moreno imo and seems to have lose a bit of pace since his knee injury.
Awaiting Klopp to surprise me. The speed he moved and get the deal done for Wijnaldum after deciding to drop Zielinski's interest is impressive.�
guess the pace of the transfer is due to his pulling power as a manager. should the prospective club be open to a deal, just a phonecall from Klopp and the prospective player is hooked. rest is sorting out the deal with the club.
guess the pace of the transfer is due to his pulling power as a manager. should the prospective club be open to a deal, just a phonecall from Klopp and the prospective player is hooked. rest is sorting out the deal with the club.
Good point but another reason why we can move so fast I believe is also we have someone calling the shots now. Remember the frustration when BR is part of the transfer committee? We are moving so slowly in negotiation and whatsoever. Kind of refreshing to me to see us operate.
Also like the way we are keeping it tight. Jornos always get to know when deals are in advanced stage.
new season, new predictions....
my hopeful predictions for the champs of the 4 major leagues
England - Arsenal
Spain - Real Madrid
Germany - Dortmund (upset)
Italy - Juventus, but hope others will buck up
BPL : Man City
La Liga : Barcelona
Bundesliga : BVB
Italy : Juventus
If I am wrong on City, i do hope Wenger wins it too and leave Arsenal on a high.
Good point but another reason why we can move so fast I believe is also we have someone calling the shots now. Remember the frustration when BR is part of the transfer committee? We are moving so slowly in negotiation and whatsoever. Kind of refreshing to me to see us operate.
Also like the way we are keeping it tight. Jornos always get to know when deals are in advanced stage.
BPL : Man City
La Liga : Barcelona
Bundesliga : BVB
Italy : Juventus
If I am wrong on City, i do hope Wenger wins it too and leave Arsenal on a high.�
Agreed City should be the firm favourites for the EPL with Pep as the manager. Arsenal dun seems very active in the transfer market and they won't be able to challenge meaningfully if they dun pull some star players from the marktet. �Utd probably a season of rebuilding still and Jose doesn't have a good track record of winning in his 1st season at a club.�
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In the bundesliga, I think it will be bayern again as they have once again shown their financial muscles in swooping a few prized possessions from other clubs. BVB lost a few of its star players so I doubt they can win the title.�
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my guess is as follows:-
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BPL - City
La Liga - Barca
Bundesliga - Bayern
Italy - Juve
Agreed City should be the firm favourites for the EPL with Pep as the manager. Arsenal dun seems very active in the transfer market and they won't be able to challenge meaningfully if they dun pull some star players from the marktet. Utd probably a season of rebuilding still and Jose doesn't have a good track record of winning in his 1st season at a club.
In the bundesliga, I think it will be bayern again as they have once again shown their financial muscles in swooping a few prized possessions from other clubs. BVB lost a few of its star players so I doubt they can win the title.
my guess is as follows:-
BPL - City
La Liga - Barca
Bundesliga - Bayern
Italy - Juve
If BVB keeps hold of Auba, I feel they have a good chance for upset. They have no doubt lost Hummels, Gundogan and Mkhitaryan but they really have a fantastic window of getting many talented young players in as replacement. will give Ancelotti and Bayern a good run for their money imo
Former Arsenal captain, Mikel Arteta, deleted all Arsenal pics off his Instagram now that he's a Man City asst coach.
Don't understand why must do that.
BVB has now signed 3 current German Internationals if this goes through. Gotze, Schurrle already signed. They rebuilding n I hope to see them do well n challenge BM in Bundesliga.
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Yup, Bundesliga is kinda boring, as it is basically the same team dominating throughout, like PSG for Ligue 1 and Juventus for Serie A...
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We will have a forever never buy back clause inserted If we sell balotelli
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Lol, never said never, who know when Klopp steps down, the new manager might be a fa n of Balotelli
Yup, Bundesliga is kinda boring, as it is basically the same team dominating throughout, like PSG for Ligue 1 and Juventus for Serie A...
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Lol, never said never, who know when Klopp steps down, the new manager might be a fa n of Balotelli
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Jose Mourinho once said it is impossible to manage or coach Mario.�
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Brendan Rogers, his disciple, wanted to prove his master wrong and tried his hand at Mario, only to get burnt.�
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Klopp... �well, the best thing is that he won't even bother to try. That's alot of wisdom in that... imho
If �30m straight I believe will be accepted.
The last bid was rejected because it was �27m plus �3m. Apparently that add ons terms are not really realistic.�
3m if CP wins BPL? quite realistic mah
Jose Mourinho once said it is impossible to manage or coach Mario.�
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Brendan Rogers, his disciple, wanted to prove his master wrong and tried his hand at Mario, only to get burnt.�
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Klopp... �well, the best thing is that he won't even bother to try. That's alot of wisdom in that... imho
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Lol, so true, hopefully, Mario will prove us all wrong and change for the better
This is seriously out of the blue.
Yup, Bundesliga is kinda boring, as it is basically the same team dominating throughout, like PSG for Ligue 1 and Juventus for Serie A...
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Lol, never said never, who know when Klopp steps down, the new manager might be a fa n of Balotelli
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Then get the new manager to sign "cannot sign Balotelli" clause�
3m if CP wins BPL? quite realistic mah
�1m if Palace win BPL
�1m if Palace win UCL
�1m if Benteke win Ballon d'Or
Then get the new manager to sign "cannot sign Balotelli" clause�
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� the new manager might reject the chance of managing Liverpool due to his love for Balotelli...
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Btw, the sales of AC Milan is really turning out to be a drag.... Really hope they can settle this asap...
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asking Mr Wenger to splash the cash to
try to win the league. I say save the money
Mr Wenger. 4th is as good as a trophy.
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I dont know why non Arsenal fans are
asking Mr Wenger to splash the cash to
try to win the league. I say save the money
Mr Wenger. 4th is as good as a trophy.
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that 4th place is like a year in year out given liao. how to improve on that is really the key.�
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As a owner, i think Arsene is almost the perfect manager. Every year, UCL is guaranteed along with the financial gains. �He takes cheap players and sells high to bigger clubs. Guess he doesn't mind being seen as a feeder club. The money in the warchest stacks up and once in while. Wenger buys a few players.. almost to appease the fans it seems. �From a P&L perspectives, Arsene could easily be the best BPL manager ever.. ��
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but for most fans... i think it can be pretty frustrating seeing each year of title challenge fade away at some point. �The squad is maily quite decent and some will argue pretty good.. however, there is just not enough players to go around and last the entire season at top form to win the title at Arsenal it seems.�
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i am saying the above as a neutral fan.. i will root for Arsenal to win the title rather than the likes city, chelsea or utd. .�
that 4th place is like a year in year out given liao. how to improve on that is really the key.�
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As a owner, i think Arsene is almost the perfect manager. Every year, UCL is guaranteed along with the financial gains. �He takes cheap players and sells high to bigger clubs. Guess he doesn't mind being seen as a feeder club. The money in the warchest stacks up and once in while. Wenger buys a few players.. almost to appease the fans it seems. �From a P&L perspectives, Arsene could easily be the best BPL manager ever.. ��
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but for most fans... i think it can be pretty frustrating seeing each year of title challenge fade away at some point. �The squad is maily quite decent and some will argue pretty good.. however, there is just not enough players to go around and last the entire season at top form to win the title at Arsenal it seems.�
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i am saying the above as a neutral fan.. i will root for Arsenal to win the title rather than the likes city, chelsea or utd. .�
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So true, i am sure most owner love to have a manager like Arsene, he does not spend as much as most other clubs but can still achieve the target of being in the UCL... However, from the view of the fans, they want trophies...
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If �30m straight I believe will be accepted.
The last bid was rejected because it was �27m plus �3m. Apparently that add ons terms are not really realistic.Based on current transfer dealings, 30m for a prime quality striker is a good and realistic price.
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Crystal Palace has to act fast; they might be caught in a bidding war if another club is desperate for a striker as the transfer window gets closer. ��
that 4th place is like a year in year out given liao. how to improve on that is really the key.
As a owner, i think Arsene is almost the perfect manager. Every year, UCL is guaranteed along with the financial gains. He takes cheap players and sells high to bigger clubs. Guess he doesn't mind being seen as a feeder club. The money in the warchest stacks up and once in while. Wenger buys a few players.. almost to appease the fans it seems. From a P&L perspectives, Arsene could easily be the best BPL manager ever..
but for most fans... i think it can be pretty frustrating seeing each year of title challenge fade away at some point. The squad is maily quite decent and some will argue pretty good.. however, there is just not enough players to go around and last the entire season at top form to win the title at Arsenal it seems.
i am saying the above as a neutral fan.. i will root for Arsenal to win the title rather than the likes city, chelsea or utd. .
Maybe you have not been following arsenal as a neutral fan
1) we hardly sold anyone in first 11 for past 2-3 seasons
2) we finished 2nd and 3rd the last 2 seasons
3) we have been running transfer deficit past few seasons
What you mentioned is true when we were shackled by the debt of the new stadium but for past 3 seasons, it is the exactly the opposite of what you mentioned
that 4th place is like a year in year out given liao. how to improve on that is really the key.�
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As a owner, i think Arsene is almost the perfect manager. Every year, UCL is guaranteed along with the financial gains. �He takes cheap players and sells high to bigger clubs. Guess he doesn't mind being seen as a feeder club. The money in the warchest stacks up and once in while. Wenger buys a few players.. almost to appease the fans it seems. �From a P&L perspectives, Arsene could easily be the best BPL manager ever.. ��
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but for most fans... i think it can be pretty frustrating seeing each year of title challenge fade away at some point. �The squad is maily quite decent and some will argue pretty good.. however, there is just not enough players to go around and last the entire season at top form to win the title at Arsenal it seems.�
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i am saying the above as a neutral fan.. i will root for Arsenal to win the title rather than the likes city, chelsea or utd. .�
Sorry as I've posted this many times, a football club should be striving for trophies first and not profit first. Yes, profit is important to sustain the club but should not be the be all and end all objective. Paying abit over the odds for quality players can't be helped and players should not be bought for the sake of making a profit cos they have sell on value etc�but cos they can add value on the pitch.��
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And that's why fans and owners seldom see eye to eye although there are exceptions like Sheikh , Roman etc.�I speak from a fan's perspective and hence why I'm always against owners like Kroenke who pays himself a�fee�for doing nothing!��
So true, i am sure most owner love to have a manager like Arsene, he does not spend as much as most other clubs but can still achieve the target of being in the UCL... However, from the view of the fans, they want trophies...
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No idea what had happened but certainly not looking good
While I am all for MU to spend whatever it takes (not my money wa) to bring Pogba back, if not for sporting or commercial, but just to make a big statement of intent. It's somewhat disturbing to read Football365's report that Pogba is holding out hoping for RM to make a last minute bid.
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There is no knowing if the delay is Juve is holding out for MU to foot all agent's fees or it's due to the above.
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It's every footballer's dream to play for RM or Bacca, but if he's another Di Maria and arrives at OT while the heart is still somewhere else, then please, thanks but no thanks.
Edited by Ngseeming, 26 July 2016 - 01:35 PM.
Doubts over Sakho's Anfield future after LFC defender sent home from US tour by Klopp
No idea what had happened but certainly not looking good�
I thought Klopp liked him. Must be something serious...
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Do we have enough cover at central defence now? Matip, Lovren, the new guy, that's all? Gomez, Lucas, etc. all backup when fit again? A bit risky...
i knew b4 hand j.m complain pitch very bad,
maybe their pitch like our national stadium grass lol..
damn man, i was so so looking forward to the game.....
Look at it this way.
Manure narrowly avoided a second consecutive thrashing.
Try to be positive
guys... newcastle in championship yea?
While I am all for MU to spend whatever it takes (not my money wa) to bring Pogba back, if not for sporting or commercial, but just to make a big statement of intent. It's somewhat disturbing to read Football365's report that Pogba is holding out hoping for RM to make a last minute bid.
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There is no knowing if the delay is Juve is holding out for MU to foot all agent's fees or it's due to the above.
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It's every footballer's dream to play for RM or Bacca, but if he's another Di Maria and arrives at OT while the heart is still somewhere else, then please, thanks but no thanks.
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Ya its seems something is holding up this transfer as most conditions have been met. Common belief is that it's the agent's fee that is holding it up but bro O23 has a point that unlikely the agent being the problem so perhaps Pogba still keen on joining RM which if true, United shld pull out after agreeing to pay such an astronomical sum as no point trying for a player whose heart is not there.�
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Anyway, the rumored fall backs of Matuidi n�Matic are more affordable and good enough though Matic will be hard to pry from Chelsea I feel.�We shall see how this pans out as this transfer alone could start the merry go�round to trigger other transfers.��
Big Sam's appointment split the English fans right in the middle: 50% voted happy while the other 50� are either sad or couldn't be bothered with it.
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It would be normal for a new guy to talk about future, but Big Sam just said that England were good enough to win Euro 2016 but they dried up.
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Hmmm, was there an Euro 2016 for women? Then maybe.
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Dried up or not, not many people including many of the die hard fans would ever dream that they could manage last 4, lest alone winning it.
guys... newcastle in championship yea?
Yeh, now they can pick someone their size - so to say.
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Sorry as I've posted this many times, a football club should be striving for trophies first and not profit first. Yes, profit is important to sustain the club but should not be the be all and end all objective. Paying abit over the odds for quality players can't be helped and players should not be bought for the sake of making a profit cos they have sell on value etc�but cos they can add value on the pitch.��
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And that's why fans and owners seldom see eye to eye although there are exceptions like Sheikh , Roman etc.�I speak from a fan's perspective and hence why I'm always against owners like Kroenke who pays himself a�fee�for doing nothing!��
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Lol, truth be told i also want my favorite club to start spending the $$$ too so that the club can get back in UCL...� However, it seems they prefer to bask in former glories and sign free transfer agents instead...
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i am sure you can guess which is the club i am talking about now...
that 4th place is like a year in year out given liao. how to improve on that is really the key.
As a owner, i think Arsene is almost the perfect manager. Every year, UCL is guaranteed along with the financial gains. He takes cheap players and sells high to bigger clubs. Guess he doesn't mind being seen as a feeder club. The money in the warchest stacks up and once in while. Wenger buys a few players.. almost to appease the fans it seems. From a P&L perspectives, Arsene could easily be the best BPL manager ever..
but for most fans... i think it can be pretty frustrating seeing each year of title challenge fade away at some point. The squad is maily quite decent and some will argue pretty good.. however, there is just not enough players to go around and last the entire season at top form to win the title at Arsenal it seems.
i am saying the above as a neutral fan.. i will root for Arsenal to win the title rather than the likes city, chelsea or utd. .
One below Liverpool.
:)
Doubts over Sakho's Anfield future after LFC defender sent home from US tour by Klopp
No idea what had happened but certainly not looking good�
Maybe he was caught with Paris Hilton in his hotel room doing work-out instead on the field with the rest ......
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Or Paris Hilton went to the wrong room, it should be Klopp room but landed in Sakho's room. That is why manager tulan�.... ��
Edited by Picnic06-Biante15, 26 July 2016 - 03:41 PM.
Big Sam's appointment split the English fans right in the middle: 50% voted happy while the other 50� are either sad or couldn't be bothered with it.
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It would be normal for a new guy to talk about future, but Big Sam just said that England were good enough to win Euro 2016 but they dried up.
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Hmmm, was there an Euro 2016 for women? Then maybe.
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Dried up or not, not many people including many of the die hard fans would ever dream that they could manage last 4, lest alone winning it.
Yeh, now they can pick someone their size - so to say.
�Do not worry too much about big fat Sam.
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He is the best available Brit manager in the England premier league at present and so be it. Talk is cheap but proving by winning WC or next Euro is not so easy.
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If you compare Sam to Portugal's Fernando Santos who has a pedigree track record, fat Sam has not won anything at club level and has nothing much to show. But Brit media will hype him up somehow.
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Nevertheless to me, he would be far better than Roy Hodgson because he don't like Pool and therefore will not be inclined to choose Pool players for England's games. I am very happy and can live with that. �
Maybe he was caught with Paris Hilton in his hotel room doing work-out instead on the field with the rest ......
Or Paris Hilton went to the wrong room, it should be Klopp room but landed in Sakho's room. That is why manager tulan ....
Too imaginative lah Bro. :)
Let's just wait to see if Klopp would shed more light during his next interview. That said, even if there is something serious between them, don't think Klopp will provide the full picture.
Edited by Osprey23, 26 July 2016 - 04:45 PM.
One of them on the way out? ;)
Phone-call between Guardiola and Gabriel Jesus was so strong, even to the point of discouraging Barcelona, who made a new approach. To convince Gabriel Jesus, Manchester United are planning to use the weight of their tradition and history, compared to Manchester City.
Manchester United haven't ruled the possibility of Jos� Mourinho calling Gabriel Jesus.
[Globo Esporte]
Lyon have confirmed they have rejected a �35m bid from Arsenal for Alexandre Lacazette.
I think if change � to � can liao
I think if change � to � can liao
Got chance. He wants to go after they sold his best mate Umtiti.
However, being a Lyon boy through and through, he won't be making a fuss to push for a move.
Lyon have confirmed they have rejected a �35m bid from Arsenal for Alexandre Lacazette.
That's more like it Arsenal! Make me eat my wordsNot sure if it is a cheeky bid because west ham supposedly offer �40m lol
Yes bro. Earlier West Ham has a �40m rejected.
Please get him, then West Ham will come back for Benteke.
Blaise Matuidi allowed to leave PSG. IMO a more platable signing than Pogba for United.
Granted he is much older but less than a third of the price n a good player nevertheless!
http://www.mirror.co...matuidi-8495964�
Higuain is already signed by Juve for record fee. Doubt Utd can back off from the Progba deal which is meant to finance this purchase... �
74M pd for a 28 year old striker is really steep. 3rd all time highest fee after Ronaldo and Bale. �These records are going to tumble once the Progba deal goes thru.... �
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both deals of Higuain and Progba looks astrologically high... �
astrology also come liao..
Higuain is already signed by Juve for record fee. Doubt Utd can back off from the Progba deal which is meant to finance this purchase... �
74M pd for a 28 year old striker is really steep. 3rd all time highest fee after Ronaldo and Bale. �These records are going to tumble once the Progba deal goes thru.... �
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both deals of Higuain and Progba looks astrologically high... �
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it makes suarez deal looks like a bargain
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now if man u back out on pogba deal.... Juve gonna be bankrupt i think
Yes bro. Earlier West Ham has a �40m rejected.
Please get him, then West Ham will come back for Benteke.�
i tot is 40m pounds? euros only?
Edited by Galantspeedz, 27 July 2016 - 09:08 AM.
but juve said they don need to sell pogba to buy higuain. dunno how true....mayb trying to dig more money fm man u.
Higuain is already signed by Juve for record fee. Doubt Utd can back off from the Progba deal which is meant to finance this purchase... �
74M pd for a 28 year old striker is really steep. 3rd all time highest fee after Ronaldo and Bale. �These records are going to tumble once the Progba deal goes thru.... �
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both deals of Higuain and Progba looks astrologically high... �
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I'm reading some reports saying Juve insisting they have the money to finance the Higuain deal even without the Pogba sale but maybe just talk. Likely u r right that United too far in the negotiations to pull out at this stage but I for one would like to see it fail if anything just to spike the Italians cos they have been demanding super high prices for their players like Napoli with Koulibaly and Higuain.
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Admittedly, United also played their part for agreeing such a high price. It doesn't bode well for the already inflated transfer market and that's why Wenger has to accept it and so too the rest unfortunately.�
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The previous highest 5 transfers in history�were Bale, Ronaldo, Suarez, Neymar and James. Really quality players whereas now you get Pogba and Higuain
guys... newcastle in championship yea?
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Lol, apparently yes, with my beloved Leeds...
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it makes suarez deal looks like a bargain
now if man u back out on pogba deal.... Juve gonna be bankrupt i think
i tot is 40m pounds? euros only?
Yes, Barcelona got a bargain. Juventus apparently said that they don't need to sell Pogba to finance all the deals they have done. Bravo front so as not to weaken negotiation position?
For Lacazette, yes, West Ham bid is �40m, not �
but juve said they don need to sell pogba to buy higuain. dunno how true....mayb trying to dig more money fm man u.
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but jumping the gun with Higuain purchase.. �Juve has already revealed their card in the pocket.�
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in all account, the reality is probably both deals are already secured. just a matter of time to prepare the PR aspects and tie up any contractual loose ends. �
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with such heavy price tags, expectations of the fans will become sky high. let's see how they perform under pressure.�
Yes, Barcelona got a bargain. Juventus apparently said that they don't need to sell Pogba to finance all the deals they have done. Bravo front so as not to weaken negotiation position?
For Lacazette, yes, West Ham bid is �40m, not ��
If I recall correctly, Suarez had to serve another ban for the biting during the WC. Gerrard said once he heard the news of the bite, he knew he would be sold. Kudos to barcelona for taking him. I doubt Pool could have kept him much longer anyway.�
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In the event, Juve do have the money to keep Pogba, Juve may have just joined the elite top 3 of European football. although its laughable if there's such a thing you consider they were so close just 2 months ago.
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Personally, even if Man U doesn't pay up, Real can steal him for slightly lower. Pogba may even opt to take a pay cut to make it happen.�
Lol, apparently yes, with my beloved Leeds...
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When I first started following English League in the�early 70s, Leeds, Liverpool were the popular teams n�title challengers. Arsenal and Derby County were also on the fringes. Derby won the league by "default" in 1972. Default cos they finished their season n went on holiday whilst 2 teams (can't�exactly remember who they were) had a final match to play and could overtake Derby but lost!!�So Derby became champs and heard of it over the radio!!
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Leeds were managed by Don Revie and were a very physical team and much feared cos they were led by the fiery Scot Billy Bremner who was the equivalent of the latter day Roy Keane. Anyway, they were top dogs together with Pool and when they faced each other, fireworks will take place culminating with Keegan and Bremner being sent off in the charity shield of 1974. �
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Leeds went on to reach the European Cup Final in 1975 and fast forward the 90s, they miscalculated by using future funds on the assumption that�UCL qualification was theirs�and the rest is history. Your club has a�good history but mismanagement put paid to it and they now languish in the Championship with other famous old clubs like Forest, Villa, Newcastle etc.��
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It's particularly painful being a fan to see your club struggle. My classmate is a big Leeds fan and still is and I wish you good luck that somehow�Leeds will regain part of their glory at least by returning to the top flight!!�
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Just doing my 2 cents to remember great clubs of the past, cheers!!
wah spring....u really old! hehehe. no offence...joking nia.
When I first started following English League in the�early 70s, Leeds, Liverpool were the popular teams n�title challengers. Arsenal and Derby County were also on the fringes. Derby won the league by "default" in 1972. Default cos they finished their season n went on holiday whilst 2 teams (can't�exactly remember who they were) had a final match to play and could overtake Derby but lost!!�So Derby became champs and heard of it over the radio!!
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Leeds were managed by Don Revie and were a very physical team and much feared cos they were led by the fiery Scot Billy Bremner who was the equivalent of the latter day Roy Keane. Anyway, they were top dogs together with Pool and when they faced each other, fireworks will take place culminating with Keegan and Bremner being sent off in the charity shield of 1974. �
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Leeds went on to reach the European Cup Final in 1975 and fast forward the 90s, they miscalculated by using future funds on the assumption that�UCL qualification was theirs�and the rest is history. Your club has a�good history but mismanagement put paid to it and they now languish in the Championship with other famous old clubs like Forest, Villa, Newcastle etc.��
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It's particularly painful being a fan to see your club struggle. My classmate is a big Leeds fan and still is and I wish you good luck that somehow�Leeds will regain part of their glory at least by returning to the top flight!!�
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Just doing my 2 cents to remember great clubs of the past, cheers!!
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Thks for sharing this, it is amazed how these previous mighty clubs had fallen, it is the same for my beloved italian club too, maybe the problem is with me, lol, every club i support seems to be going down...
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Currently at deficit of �120m
Lol. Very coincidental hor?
wah spring....u really old! hehehe. no offence...joking nia.
Haha ya old man
Football in old days very different from today with live TV and instant information. We had to depend on Shoot magazine which is few months old as it arrives here by sea!!
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Anyway. let's move on from the past and enjoy our football despite the different teams we support, cheers!!
Everton met the release clause of Idrissa Gueye
Edited by Osprey23, 27 July 2016 - 10:38 AM.
Just checked Juventus transfer records for this summer.
Currently at deficit of �120m
Lol. Very coincidental hor?�
Honestly I don't care if the Pogba transfer happens or not. Not digging the way we are being held ransom. But it seems to be a feature of every frigging transfer window since Woodward took charge z.Z
Thks for sharing this, it is amazed how these previous mighty clubs had fallen, it is the same for my beloved italian club too, maybe the problem is with me, lol, every club i support seems to be going down...
�can u please support man u? they are a very gd n mighty club.�
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Honestly I don't care if the Pogba transfer happens or not. Not digging the way we are being held ransom. But it seems to be a feature of every frigging transfer window since Woodward took charge z.Z
thats how it is dealing with italian clubs. when they r buying, they will lowball u till u left with no ball. but when selling, they will put skyhigh prices till u vomit blood.
Just checked Juventus transfer records for this summer.
Currently at deficit of �120m
Lol. Very coincidental hor?�
the accountants at Juve must be doing such a perfect job trying to balance the books �lol�
If I recall correctly, Suarez had to serve another ban for the biting during the WC. Gerrard said once he heard the news of the bite, he knew he would be sold. Kudos to barcelona for taking him. I doubt Pool could have kept him much longer anyway.�
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In the event, Juve do have the money to keep Pogba, Juve may have just joined the elite top 3 of European football. although its laughable if there's such a thing you consider they were so close just 2 months ago.
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Personally, even if Man U doesn't pay up, Real can steal him for slightly lower. Pogba may even opt to take a pay cut to make it happen.�
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Real has really been that active in the transfer market this summer and not signing any galactico players yet.. maybe they will change their mind and hijack Progba deal? unlikely it seems..�
can u please support man u? they are a very gd n mighty club.�
thats how it is dealing with italian clubs. when they r buying, they will lowball u till u left with no ball. but when selling, they will put skyhigh prices till u vomit blood.
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Lol, i do not want to be flamed by the massive Man U supporters around
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Juventus becoming the Bayern of Italian league...
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too strong in the league by a distance and buying their rivals' star players
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can Inter, Milan, Roma, Lazio, Napoli all buck up a not
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i still buy their jersey, but damn hard to find , even at queensway..
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Ya I think Leeds is a sleeping giant which can be woken up by an investor. Worth considering and in Yorkshire where they are based, think the nearest EPL club is Hull City so good catchment area I feel but unfortunately for Leeds, they only attracted some shady owners so far �
When I first started following English League in the early 70s, Leeds, Liverpool were the popular teams n title challengers. Arsenal and Derby County were also on the fringes. Derby won the league by "default" in 1972. Default cos they finished their season n went on holiday whilst 2 teams (can't exactly remember who they were) had a final match to play and could overtake Derby but lost!! So Derby became champs and heard of it over the radio!!
Leeds were managed by Don Revie and were a very physical team and much feared cos they were led by the fiery Scot Billy Bremner who was the equivalent of the latter day Roy Keane. Anyway, they were top dogs together with Pool and when they faced each other, fireworks will take place culminating with Keegan and Bremner being sent off in the charity shield of 1974.
Leeds went on to reach the European Cup Final in 1975 and fast forward the 90s, they miscalculated by using future funds on the assumption that UCL qualification was theirs and the rest is history. Your club has a good history but mismanagement put paid to it and they now languish in the Championship with other famous old clubs like Forest, Villa, Newcastle etc.
It's particularly painful being a fan to see your club struggle. My classmate is a big Leeds fan and still is and I wish you good luck that somehow Leeds will regain part of their glory at least by returning to the top flight!!
Just doing my 2 cents to remember great clubs of the past, cheers!!
During that period Liverpool sure can match up with Leeds
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during the eighty they are the bad boy in EPL. I love david batty and lee bowyer wacking other players.
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they are more classic in the olden days, when gordon starchan running down the flanks.
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tot Batty Bowyer Kewell are in the late ninties n millenium....
tot Batty Bowyer Kewell are in the late ninties n millenium....
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how times fly..
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Ya I think Leeds is a sleeping giant which can be woken up by an investor. Worth considering and in Yorkshire where they are based, think the nearest EPL club is Hull City so good catchment area I feel but unfortunately for Leeds, they only attracted some shady owners so far �
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Yeah, shady owners who are not willing to put the cash to turn the club around, if that is the case, it is near impossible for the club to make a comeback to the premier league
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Lol, are you a leeds fan too?� i wasn't aware we had so many fans here, u forget ian harte who is a free kick specialist, lucas radebe who is a colossal in defence as well, also england gk nigel martyn although he had to play back up to david seaman...
newcastle had their gory days also, the best i ever remember that wacking of man u . 5: 0 ??
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Fully behind his decision. No player should be behaving differently and showing no respect to the rest by being late on various occasions.
https://www.theguard...verpool-us-tour
Klopp explained why he sent Sakho back.
Fully behind his decision. No player should be behaving differently and showing no respect to the rest by being late on various occasions.
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the guy is looking like a joker and really looked more and more ill-disciplined by character. �taking fat-burners, punctuality issue, missing treatment session... �think he really have to buck up. �It's probably now or never liao..�
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Klopp explained why he sent Sakho back.
Fully behind his decision. No player should be behaving differently and showing no respect to the rest by being late on various occasions.
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Klopp was known for being a disciplinary master, well, this kind of punishment will probably galvanize Liverpool into a legitimate challenger for the trophy this year...
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One thing's for sure is that seems highly unlikely Sakho will be the next Capt then.
Klopp explained why he sent Sakho back.
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https://www.theguard...verpool-us-tour
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the guy is looking like a joker and really looked more and more ill-disciplined by character. taking fat-burners, punctuality issue, missing treatment session... think he really have to buck up. It's probably now or never liao..
Klopp has handled the issue well without increasing any unnecessary attention or hype on Sakho. But i am sure his patience is wearing thin. Klopp can be calmly ruthless in terms of players.
By not setting a good example, I don't think he will be made captain even Klopp wants a change. The taking of fat burners really not an issue in my opinion. The substance is never on the banned list. He has my full support on that issue. But I won't defend him on the lack of respect during the tour.
I seriously hope is not Lovren to take over Hendo if there is a change. He is not even the best CB before the arrival of Matip and Klavan, let alone now.
Pogba on Instagramm. The life of a footballer... steady ah... wonder if he's telling us something
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If you want to read further into this, you need to decide whether to focus on his apparels or car.
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I think ball is now on Sakho's court on how he is going to respond to this.
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Arsenal won't spend big money to compete with rivals, says Ivan Gazidis
his ideal or A.W??
they perfer their money in the banks
Maybe he is just telling a selling club that they are not going to ge chopped carrot?
Ya its seems something is holding up this transfer as most conditions have been met. Common belief is that it's the agent's fee that is holding it up but bro O23 has a point that unlikely the agent being the problem so perhaps Pogba still keen on joining RM which if true, United shld pull out after agreeing to pay such an astronomical sum as no point trying for a player whose heart is not there.
Anyway, the rumored fall backs of Matuidi n Matic are more affordable and good enough though Matic will be hard to pry from Chelsea I feel. We shall see how this pans out as this transfer alone could start the merry go round to trigger other transfers.
Again speaking purely from playing Fifa on ps4 experience.
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It's strange that no big team likes matuidi since he is another makelele mould type.
Again speaking purely from playing Fifa on ps4 experience.
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Pogba can add value�as another dimension�from an attacking sense which Matuidi and�Matic can't so to be fair that's why he is worth more plus his age is a plus factor. I guess United has to decide what exactly do they want from MF. Pogba is obviously a good to have but personally I don't see him as a must have. United have plenty�of options�in MF both from attacking and defensive perspective so perhaps it's as some bros have posted, they want to make a statement?��
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100mil valued players shld be game changers and it is left to be seen if he is one. Suarez was during his Pool time and so too CR7 during his United days and def Henry when he was at Arsenal. Hazard was to a certain extent 2 seasons back but other then these, don't really remember other game changers in the EPL before. Must put a disclaimer that naming of game changers is subjective but more important is whether Pogba can be one?
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Pogba can add value�as another dimension�from an attacking sense which Matuidi and�Matic can't so to be fair that's why he is worth more plus his age is a plus factor. I guess United has to decide what exactly do they want from MF. Pogba is obviously a good to have but personally I don't see him as a must have. United have plenty�of options�in MF both from attacking and defensive perspective so perhaps it's as some bros have posted, they want to make a statement?��
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if talking about recent times, i think aguero and david de gea should be considered a game changer
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Pogba can add value�as another dimension�from an attacking sense which Matuidi and�Matic can't so to be fair that's why he is worth more plus his age is a plus factor. I guess United has to decide what exactly do they want from MF. Pogba is obviously a good to have but personally I don't see him as a must have. United have plenty�of options�in MF both from attacking and defensive perspective so perhaps it's as some bros have posted, they want to make a statement?��
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100mil valued players shld be game changers and it is left to be seen if he is one. Suarez was during his Pool time and so too CR7 during his United days and def Henry when he was at Arsenal. Hazard was to a certain extent 2 seasons back but other then these, don't really remember other game changers in the EPL before. Must put a disclaimer that naming of game changers is subjective but more important is whether Pogba can be one?
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As I mentioned, it's subjective but my idea of game changers are normally forwards who can win a game on their own esp when it's moving towards a deadlock with�2 well marshaled defences being superior.�Going back to my original post, is Pogba that kind of player? I have my doubts but let him prove to us EPL fans who doubt him that he�can be a game changer!!
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but the ideal is a.w did not buy vieira at a celling high price , and wat if pogba turn out to be the next balo in the making??
You totally omitted the current most ex player... Bale
Bale probably around the same age as Pogba when he made the record transfer to Real... around 15M pounds lesser than Pogba's asking now... who's a better buy?
Frankly, i rather ManU don't give in if the greedy agent push too much..
Yes Bale is def a game changer n I rate him higher than Pogba when he made his World record tfr to RM. He single handledly lifted Spurs to greater heights n his free kicks were excellent.
Most of us don't see Pogba at the same level as those game changers we mentioned but I'm sure JM n Man United are not so stupid to pay such a fee if he was not special. So let's reserve judgement till he arrives.
players that score goal like c.r messi, are more prominent.
but if pogba is the next vieira, he is worth that money in today market.
but the ideal is a.w did not buy vieira at a celling high price , and wat if pogba turn out to be the next balo in the making??
Vieira was the steel in the Arsenal MF during their title winning days. I don't classify him as a game changer but more of a leader whose physical strength came in very handy in an outstanding Arsenal team n it's precisely this kind of player that Arsenal was crying out for over the last few seasons. Coq has provided abit of steel but he's not a leader like Vieira. Xhaka reputed to be a leader of the Swiss National team so he could be the new Vieira.
As for Pogba being a dud, that's always possible in any transfer but he does seem to be at least temprementally better than Balo ever was so that alone gives him an edge over Balo, we shall see!
Considering Man U paid next to nothing for Howard Webb, who arguably was the greatest game changer of all, Pogba's fees are insane.
Edited by Osprey23, 29 July 2016 - 06:37 AM.
Klopp also revealed possible new role for Milner - backup full backs.
Klopp:�10m for Chilwell having limited EPL experience is too high a fee to pay
Klopp also revealed possible new role for Milner - backup full backs.
Told you before liao.... milner also 1 with no position like your new guy... too versatile
Marhez deal to arsenal, any hope?
Told you before liao.... milner also 1 with no position like your new guy... too versatile
Milner should just be confined to the wings. He is not versatile to play anywhere in the middle. The game vs BVB exposed his lack of positional sense in the middle of the park. He vacate it too often for BVB to find space through with ease. Wijnaldum on the other hand, is comfortable either centrally or on the wings although I see him offering more from a No.8 or 10 position
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Mahrez is looking for a bigger club but Ranieri seems to be firm on not letting him leave. Threatened to relegate him reserve team I think.
Milner should just be confined to the wings. He is not versatile to play anywhere in the middle. The game vs BVB exposed his lack of positional sense in the middle of the park. He vacate it too often for BVB to find space through with ease. Wijnaldum on the other hand, is comfortable either centrally or on the wings although I see him offering more from a No.8 or 10 position
But managers of milner seems to think otherwise... not only klopp
But managers of milner seems to think otherwise... not only klopp
Only 2 persons see him suitable in the centre. BR and Milner himself. Why did Milner sign for us? Because BR promised him to play him centrally.
Edited by Osprey23, 29 July 2016 - 08:57 AM.
Nope. Pellegrini stuck him on the wings. Klopp has no choice as we were lacking in MF options. Next season, barring an injury crisis, we will not be seeing Milner centrally.
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The plus about Milner is his work rate so obviously he's a good candidate from that point of view but just have a feeling he'll be exposed defensively and end up neither here nor there, just my 2 cents.
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�Arsenal cannot compete financially with rival clubs - CEO�
(Reuters) - Arsenal do not have the financial strength to "outgun" Premier League rivals in the transfer market and have to be careful in signing new players, according to the club's chief executive Ivan Gazidis.
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Arsenal finished a distant second to champions Leicester City last season and fans have vented frustration at the lack of big-money signings.
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Over the past few years, Arsenal have signed marquee names like Germany midfielder Mesut Ozil and Chile winger Alexis Sanchez, but they have still spent considerably less than many of their rivals.
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"We can't afford to outgun competitors that have far more money -- we have to be very careful, very selective," Gazidis told British media.
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"That means we can't afford to make huge mistakes in the transfer market. The constraints within the Premier League are less and less about pure finances.
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"More relatively important become things like how well you identify players, how well you develop players, what kind of sports science you have, your analytics, your psychology."
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Manager Arsene Wenger has made three additions to his squad so far, in midfielder Granit Xhaka, defender Rob Holding and striker Takuma Asano, and, according to media reports, is actively looking for another forward.
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The way Everton are spending money
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looks like they are even a bigger club
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than Mr Wenger's club.
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Personally I don't think its a good idea but Klopp knows best I suppose.
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My take on FB has always been he has to a defender first and foremost, attacking capabilities are a bonus though admittedly in the modern game, attacking options are a must for a FB. Look at Walker of Spurs, he's a liability defending though he is very good at attacking and mind you he's a proper FB.
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The plus about Milner is his work rate so obviously he's a good candidate from that point of view but just have a feeling he'll be exposed defensively and end up neither here nor there, just my 2 cents.
mayb klopp thinking....if a certain someone can put pure attacking players as wingbacks, surely a better, workhorse player can play as LB.�
Seem like JM is getting his 120m player soon.
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Too much drama and posturing
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I apologise to Mr Wenger. Its not he dun wanna spend.
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Its his club got no money. They are too small to compete
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minor correction - rich and big different
Personally I don't think its a good idea but Klopp knows best I suppose.
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My take on FB has always been he has to a defender first and foremost, attacking capabilities are a bonus though admittedly in the modern game, attacking options are a must for a FB. Look at Walker of Spurs, he's a liability defending though he is very good at attacking and mind you he's a proper FB.
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The plus about Milner is his work rate so obviously he's a good candidate from that point of view but just have a feeling he'll be exposed defensively and end up neither here nor there, just my 2 cents.
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actually... it seems to be BR all over again...
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i wonder why no one buy ricardo rodriguez ... i tot his release clause quite low
http://www.dailymail...tal-Palace.html
A quick brainstorm reveals that Milner has now played up to seven positions in a Manchester City shirt - in both full-back positions, across the midfield, behind the frontman and now as an old-fashioned No 9.
http://www.telegraph...Pellegrini.html
In an interview with The Guardian, the City manager insisted that Milner�s qualities made him England�s most versatile player.
if i rem correctly, he only really played as a winger for leeds
�The club wants Milner to continue and he wants to stay, but maybe he wants more games,� he said. �I am Milner�s No?1 fan � find me a more complete English player. There are players who are better technically, yes. Quicker players, yes. Players who head better, yes. But show me one who does all the things Milner does well. There isn�t one.
"Milner is a phenomenon, a guy with big balls and a heart this big. I hope he stays. If he doesn�t, it will be because there�s an important offer [from elsewhere].�
Exact words from Pellegrini from that article. Not sure about you but being "complete" does it equate to "versatile"? My view is no.
No doubt, Pellegrini wants him to stay on as a City player but unable to give him the game time he desired because he see Milner as a wide man and he is a back up.
That's how BR managed to persuade him to join Pool, agreeing with Milner that he has the ability to play in the middle of the park. Even made him Vice Captain. Pretty desperate to get Milner then.
Personally I don't think its a good idea but Klopp knows best I suppose.
My take on FB has always been he has to a defender first and foremost, attacking capabilities are a bonus though admittedly in the modern game, attacking options are a must for a FB. Look at Walker of Spurs, he's a liability defending though he is very good at attacking and mind you he's a proper FB.
The plus about Milner is his work rate so obviously he's a good candidate from that point of view but just have a feeling he'll be exposed defensively and end up neither here nor there, just my 2 cents.
Milner's workrate and crossing ability makes him a decent back up imo. With the lesser games next season, Klopp might be willing to risk it by having only his 2 first choice FBs and Milner as cover.
I apologise to Mr Wenger. Its not he dun wanna spend.
Its his club got no money. They are too small to compete
with the big clubs. Not I say one hor. Arsenal CEO say one.
There is no reason to compete in the same pool of players with the mega rich clubs. If Arsenal need a MF, instead of spending �100m on Pogba, they might see a �30m Matuidi making more financial sense. Just as an example
Edited by Osprey23, 29 July 2016 - 10:41 AM.
minor correction - rich and big different
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Sorry sorry Arsenal are a big club, very big club
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just got very little money only.
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Maybe if they won more trophies
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they would get more money.
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Success brings riches.
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Does anyone know if Spurs are bigger
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or Arsenal are bigger these days.
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For a player to be able to make shift in various positions does not make him versatile. Maybe our interpretation of the term is different. To me, a versatile player must be able to play is various position and perform well in them. Milner is not versatile imo because he only does well on the wings.
Exact words from Pellegrini from that article. Not sure about you but being "complete" does it equate to "versatile"? My view is no.
No doubt, Pellegrini wants him to stay on as a City player but unable to give him the game time he desired because he see Milner as a wide man and he is a back up.
That's how BR managed to persuade him to join Pool, agreeing with Milner that he has the ability to play in the middle of the park. Even made him Vice Captain. Pretty desperate to get Milner then.�
haha ok... then i have to agree.... he reminds me of dirk kyut.... where got hole... put him in to plug
Sorry sorry Arsenal are a big club, very big club
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just got very little money only.
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Maybe if they won more trophies
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they would get more money.
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Success brings riches.
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Does anyone know if Spurs are bigger
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or Arsenal are bigger these days.
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fan based wise , in bpl... man u and pool still biggest....... no dispute on that....
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not sure if success bring riches.... man c and chelsea were not successful and they managed to get rich owner...�
Think the pogba deal will be concluded today. Good gracious, what a long saga�
I am agreeing to what Arsenal's CEO had said actually. It actually goes very well with what Klopp said as well.
There is no reason to compete in the same pool of players with the mega rich clubs. If Arsenal need a MF, instead of spending �100m on Pogba, they might see a �30m Matuidi making more financial sense. Just as an example�
Jamesc just taking a pot shot at arsenal..... deep down inside he knows what Gaizidis says is right.... just like how deep down inside he is a lesbian in a male body
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on matuidi... i wonder if we had not bought xhaka so early.. would we have gone for matuidi instead
Think the pogba deal will be concluded today. Good gracious, what a long saga�
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Lol, it could not be a longer saga than the sales of AC Milan...
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Edited by Noob79, 29 July 2016 - 11:02 AM.
minor correction - rich and big different
actually... it seems to be BR all over again...
i wonder why no one buy ricardo rodriguez ... i tot his release clause quite low
Klopp is never going to be the same as BR imo. He is far better in judging players' ability. Klopp was questioning BR's decision to play Sahin as a No.10 during his loan spell with us.
Rodriguez is a x file seriously. Rumoured having a �24m release clause.
ars definitely big club. pool also big club. but not so big bank account.
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on matuidi... i wonder if we had not bought xhaka so early.. would we have gone for matuidi instead
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Wenger wouldn't have gotten Matuidi I'm quite sure cos of his age and no sell on value anymore.
Klopp is never going to be the same as BR imo. He is far better in judging players' ability. Klopp was questioning BR's decision to play Sahin as a No.10 during his loan spell with us.
Rodriguez is a x file seriously. Rumoured having a �24m release clause.�
24m is not high if he is really as good as he is make out to be........... i wonder why is no one buying him
Wenger wouldn't have gotten Matuidi I'm quite sure cos of his age and no sell on value anymore.
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i used to think that till he put in a bid for vardy.........lol
Edited by Galantspeedz, 29 July 2016 - 11:08 AM.
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i used to think that till he put in a bid for vardy.........lol
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Vardy I believe is considered cheap for a striker despite his age as the other options are�so much more ex. DM prices seems to be also 30m+ so comparing Xhaka and Matuidi being of almost similar value,�it would be a no brainer for the value conscious Wenger.�
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Actually I'm surprised he didn't opt for Kante but my guess it's the pay is much�higher and other reason could be he wants more from a DM which Kante might not provide?? Guessing only.
ars definitely big club. pool also big club. but not so big bank account.
.... and not so big trophy cabinet�
Vardy I believe is considered cheap for a striker despite his age as the other options are�so much more ex. DM prices seems to be also 30m+ so comparing Xhaka and Matuidi being of almost similar value,�it would be a no brainer for the value conscious Wenger.�
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Actually I'm surprised he didn't opt for Kante but my guess it's the pay is much�higher and other reason could be he wants more from a DM which Kante might not provide?? Guessing only.
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chelsea came in.. pay wise no fight... if kante earns more than ozil and sanchez.... or even the same... i think both ozil and sanchez will be very unhappy
.... and not so big trophy cabinet�
who's trophy cabinet?
haha ok... then i have to agree.... he reminds me of dirk kyut.... where got hole... put him in to plug
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fan based wise , in bpl... man u and pool still biggest....... no dispute on that....
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not sure if success bring riches.... man c and chelsea were not successful and they managed to get rich owner...�
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Wei.... you trying to get yellow card ah
Wei.... you trying to get yellow card ah
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true mah... they became successful only after they became rich
"I won't make 100 mil signing" -Klopp
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"I won't spend millions on supercar"-� Yours truly.
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In very obvious truth, I have no millions (not even in rupiah) to spend.
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In deference to Klopp and LFC, I won't say that they are in similar situation.�
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Arsenal beat MLS all stars 2-1 this morning.
Trust that it was Drogba who scored against the Gunners, Wenger must be damn happy he's not around anymore in the EPL haha
Arsenal beat MLS all stars 2-1 this morning.
Trust that it was Drogba who scored against the Gunners, Wenger must be damn happy he's not around anymore in the EPL haha
"I won't make 100 mil signing" -Klopp
"I won't spend millions on supercar"- Yours truly.
In very obvious truth, I have no millions (not even in rupiah) to spend.
In deference to Klopp and LFC, I won't say that they are in similar situation.
Arsenal beat MLS all stars 2-1 this morning.
Trust that it was Drogba who scored against the Gunners, Wenger must be damn happy he's not around anymore in the EPL haha
16 games 16 goals... really like a curse sia
Klopp is never going to be the same as BR imo. He is far better in judging players' ability. Klopp was questioning BR's decision to play Sahin as a No.10 during his loan spell with us.
Rodriguez is a x file seriously. Rumoured having a �24m release clause.�
yah.. this 1 is a mystery...
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unless RR only wants to play in GBL and not even liga or BPL...
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swiss player afraid to venture out of his comfort zone?... or VW sponsor him alot stuff only in germany?..
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Looks like shxx, smells like shxx, really is shxx. Not in deference to you or MUFC :P
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What else can you expect from someone who dares not walk alone?
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Talk Shxx
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Edited by Ngseeming, 29 July 2016 - 01:41 PM.
Article from teamtalk regarding Pool's pre-season matches so far and the concerns......
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http://www.teamtalk....ence-looks-weak
Article from teamtalk regarding Pool's pre-season matches so far and the concerns......
http://www.teamtalk....ence-looks-weak
Valid concerns but Klavan 5th choice? I don't think so. He is basically Skrtel with better composure and passing. Expecting the 4 CBs to fight it out over the starting berths.
Moreno is an easy target imo. Did he really did badly in the last friendly? Keep hearing people talking about the defeat to Sevilla but I am just not sure why Lovren didn't take as much criticism for the poor defensive position he took for their 2 goals
Valid concerns but Klavan 5th choice? I don't think so. He is basically Skrtel with better composure and passing. Expecting the 4 CBs to fight it out over the starting berths.
Moreno is an easy target imo. Did he really did badly in the last friendly? Keep hearing people talking about the defeat to Sevilla but I am just not sure why Lovren didn't take as much criticism for the poor defensive position he took for their 2 goalsI didn't have a chance to watch the Che v Pool match.
But the few comments which were common from various reports were:
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1) Same old Chelsea with only bus captain changed
2) Same old Pool with suspect defence esp at set pieces
3) The game was anything but a friendly
4) John Terry was not only Chelsea's best defender but best defender�on the pitch
I didn't have a chance to watch the Che v Pool match.
But the few comments which were common from various reports were:
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1) Same old Chelsea with only bus captain changed
2) Same old Pool with suspect defence esp at set pieces
3) The game was anything but a friendly
4) John Terry was not only Chelsea's best defender but best defender�on the pitch
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it's conte.... he will make parking bus into an art......
it's conte.... he will make parking bus into an art......
Basically, JM parked it in a boring reverse parking but Conte did it with a fancy handbreak turn and slide into the lot
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